Raging Bull Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 I do like that thought. Lets wait for the Saints statement. If I told my staff that I'd just sold a valuable asset for 40% less than I could have they would rightly question my marbles. We are being told that "the club are in a tricky financial situation" and quite rightly is being run as a business so quite frankly sentiment shouldn't be getting in the way if we need the money. All it'll do is prove we're soft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaroid Saint Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Lambert to Liverpool Shaw to Chelsea Lallana to Everton Clyne to Chelsea Rodriguez to Burnley Schneiderlin to Liverpool Wanyama to... ...Black Cats I mean, boyhood clubs n all that; it's simply not allowed in football to stop a move to a 'boyhood club'*. It's a tradition or an old charter or something. *(for managers the term is upgraded to 'spiritual home') Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Not really, the money on offer wouldn't make or break anything for us. Poor timing for this is my biggest frustration. Only two considerations - Lambert has some sort of buy out clause for Liverpool come in for him (understandable); We're trying to get all the bad news out the way before a new manager arrives. The buyout clause seems entirely plausible, which would explain the speed at which it's happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Lambert to Liverpool Shaw to Chelsea Lallana to Everton Clyne to Chelsea Rodriguez to Burnley Schneiderlin to Liverpool Wanyama to... ...Black Cats I mean, boyhood clubs n all that; it's simply not allowed in football to stop a move to a 'boyhood club'*. It's a tradition or an old charter or something. *(for managers the term is upgraded to 'spiritual home') Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk that would bring about 105 million £ and chop probably 20 million/annum off the salary mass, probably more than the club is worth on the open market. We've got a load of wonder kids to take their place, no problem then, worked in 2008 didn't it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Sentiment aside has anyone considered that we might be bringing in a quality striker. Lambert may be thinking, I can get more money whilst making the odd appearance at my dream club, possibly with my best mate Lallana there as well. The alternative is I can sit on the bench at a Saints team that's likely to finish between 7th and 10th. Lambert going for £4-8m isn't terrible business - especially if Saints intend to bring in 1-2 quality younger replacements and Lambert's contribution would have been limited anyway. Come on... that's far too reasoned and rational for this place mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Just heard it on 5 live. 4 million is an absolute joke and coming immediately after Ralph's statement is pathetic and means he has lied to the fans. Absolutely fuming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 No Liverpool say 4 million, saints play hard ball and then sell for what the bigger club dictates. Maybe Liverpool upped their offer from 4m to 4m and a packet of salt n vinegar crisps and our board hadn't had any breakfast so they accepted because they were hungry. Wonder if Les and Freddy have ordered a pair of matching clown suits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Just heard it on 5 live. 4 million is an absolute joke and coming immediately after Ralph's statement is pathetic and means he has lied to the fans. Absolutely fuming. Go on, hammer that keyboard harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 V.v.unlikely that there's a buyout clause. Quite apart from the fact that it would have probably been leaked, its inconsistent with the way its been handled -e.g. differences in valuation. You pay the minimum amount with a buyout clause, not haggle over price. IMO, another case of 2+2=5 just because the lad is a liverpool fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 I just don't understand the fee - for someone who 2 seasons ago was THE best player we had. He got old. 32 year old players dont command much of a fee. Its a good move for SFC especially since he has a contract till he's 35 and at his current rate of decline he'll be in a bath chair by then. Good luck to him. He's achieving his dream and I hope he gets a great last hurrah scoring off the bench in the CL for Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Bristol Rovers reckon they have a sell on clause Bristol Rovers @Official_BRFC · 23m The club can confirm that the transfer agreement of Lambert to Southampton did include a sell on clause #BristolRovers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Of course, he still has to pass a medical and he had more than a few niggles last season. Out of interest, how would we feel about £4m if he fails the medical, struggles all season and hardly plays again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaroid Saint Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Perhaps Lambert feels he can learn from Stevie G who always and without fail replicates his finest form at World Cups. Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 V.v.unlikely that there's a buyout clause. Quite apart from the fact that it would have probably been leaked, its inconsistent with the way its been handled -e.g. differences in valuation. You pay the minimum amount with a buyout clause, not haggle over price. IMO, another case of 2+2=5 just because the lad is a liverpool fan. buyout clause perhaps not, European football clause? Stranger things have been inserted into contracts before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Lambert out. Benteke in. Yes please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Lambert out. Benteke in. Yes please! Would soften the blow. Quite a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Lambert out. Benteke in. Yes please! The board can't even negotiate a decent fee for Lambert, what makes you think even if they bid Benteke they'd be able to get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Of course, he still has to pass a medical and he had more than a few niggles last season. Out of interest, how would we feel about £4m if he fails the medical, struggles all season and hardly plays again? 4 million is nothing, couple of quid less than we paid for Forren or Mayuka, only a million or so more than we squandered on a League 2 goalkeeper, not to mention Osvaldo and Gaston who unless I'm mistaken haven't even scored Rickie's number of OP goals last season between them for the club. 4 million is absolutely nothing to Liverpool, probably about a third of what they might expect to get for Borini. Even a 32 year old is worth more than that and I'm not even his biggest fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 The board can't even negotiate a decent fee for Lambert, what makes you think even if they bid Benteke they'd be able to get him. Why would Benteke come to Saints... honestly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 4 million is nothing, couple of quid less than we paid for Forren or Mayuka, only a million or so more than we squandered on a League 2 goalkeeper, not to mention Osvaldo and Gaston who unless I'm mistaken haven't even scored Rickie's number of OP goals last season between them for the club. 4 million is absolutely nothing to Liverpool, probably about a third of what they might expect to get for Borini. Even a 32 year old is worth more than that and I'm not even his biggest fan. Imagine Liverpool's reaction if anyone bidded 4m for 33yr old Gerrard. Our response of rolling over at the first tiny bid was pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Bristol Rovers reckon they have a sell on clause Bristol Rovers @Official_BRFC · 23m The club can confirm that the transfer agreement of Lambert to Southampton did include a sell on clause #BristolRovers Pffff, 4 million less a bit then, might as well just give him away to hack off Bristol Rovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 I'm absolutely furious at the timing. If Liverpool had offered crazy money and turning it down now would mean selling him for much less later on in the window, then there would at least be some rationale. Still wouldn't make it worth the blow to credibility and team morale, but at least there would be a tangible reason. I don't know what's possessed them to sell before the World Cup, before we have a manager and for just over half what West Ham offered in January. I hope we have some good news very, very soon because this is unacceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Go on, hammer that keyboard harder. Not sure why you find it so odd that people are annoyed about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Adam Blackmore @bigadamsport Worth #saintsfc fans noting a couple of things - the Lambert deal has happened very quickly, since yesterday, with Liverpool saying if it wasn't done before squad fly off to Miami, they would move on. So, with Rickie wanting to go, could Saints deny hima dream move back to Liverpool after his services to the club - and Saints get a better financial deal to push it though. Even though Lambert is only #saintsfc player to go so far, it looks like the start of the end of an era, but any new manager would be happy to have the chance to shape his own squad, with a good kitty to spend, which I'm led to believe he'll have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Not sure why you find it so odd that people are annoyed about this. I don't think he finds it odd, I think he finds what seems to be apoplectic rage quite odd. Man up you emotionally immature muppet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 (edited) Just heard it on 5 live. 4 million is an absolute joke and coming immediately after Ralph's statement is pathetic and means he has lied to the fans. Absolutely fuming. he hasn't lied to the fans, he has mislead them because he knows that they want to gob his crap. You've all made it far too easy for him. Does the man have any qualifications for the post into which he has been projected...really, honestly, just asking. Edited 30 May, 2014 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Adam Blackmore @bigadamsport Worth #saintsfc fans noting a couple of things - the Lambert deal has happened very quickly, since yesterday, with Liverpool saying if it wasn't done before squad fly off to Miami, they would move on. So, with Rickie wanting to go, could Saints deny hima dream move back to Liverpool after his services to the club - and Saints get a better financial deal to push it though.Even though Lambert is only #saintsfc player to go so far, it looks like the start of the end of an era, but any new manager would be happy to have the chance to shape his own squad, with a good kitty to spend, which I'm led to believe he'll have They played hardball and we blinked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Adam Blackmore @bigadamsport Worth #saintsfc fans noting a couple of things - the Lambert deal has happened very quickly, since yesterday, with Liverpool saying if it wasn't done before squad fly off to Miami, they would move on. So, with Rickie wanting to go, could Saints deny hima dream move back to Liverpool after his services to the club - and Saints get a better financial deal to push it though. Even though Lambert is only #saintsfc player to go so far, it looks like the start of the end of an era, but any new manager would be happy to have the chance to shape his own squad, with a good kitty to spend, which I'm led to believe he'll have Feck off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 They played hardball and we blinked. Indeed......Lambert probably helped them though with his eagerness to go there, forfeited his cut perhaps. I mean 5% of not much is always going to be not much, especially with a couple of CL bonuses coming his way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 (edited) They played hardball and we blinked. Absolutely right. Negotiating skills? Zero. Liverpool thought they'd try pulling fast one and will be laughing their socks (and more) off. Note to other clubs: Saints now soft touch. Edited 30 May, 2014 by Shroppie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 he hasn't lied to the fans, he has mislead them because he knows that they want to gob his crap. You've all made it far too easy for him. Does the man have any qualifications for the post into which he has been projected...really, honestly, just asking. How is him saying the new manager has a say with all transactions and then that proving not to the case the very next day not a lie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Man Do Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 That Blackmore tweet makes this even more annoying! We've been forced into selling someone under value because Liverpool say they'd move on otherwise? I'm more concerned though about the impact selling Rickie has on the dressing room team spirit that seems to have been our trademark over the last few years. All well and good talking of boyhood teams but it's barely a month since Lambert was talking of being a saints fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 I don't think he finds it odd, I think he finds what seems to be apoplectic rage quite odd. Man up you emotionally immature muppet. Apoplectic rage? I'm bloody annoyed that we sold our talisman and one of our best players for 4 million. My young cousin idolised rickie and is now very upset and it has ruined his world cup. I'm not happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_fred Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 We do not now what the future holds but for me RK has forever lost my trust. You do not sell your star striker the day after you say no one will be sold before a new manager comes in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 £4 million minus Bristol Rover's cut is a travesty. For what is our talisman, our currently only fit striker over the age of 18, the hero... The board have either had a woeful day PR-wise or they really couldn't give a toss and just want any money for any player they can possibly flog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Codger Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 If someone in another business were to sell an asset at great speed and for a knock-down price, what would you think? One likely conclusion to be drawn would be that they were in desperate need of the funds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 We do not now what the future holds but for me RK has forever lost my trust. You do not sell your star striker the day after you say no one will be sold before a new manager comes in. you do if Liverpool tell you to, never mind we've got Gallagher, when he stops being like Bambi on Ice i'm sure he'll get the odd goal or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 We do not now what the future holds but for me RK has forever lost my trust. You do not sell your star striker the day after you say no one will be sold before a new manager comes in. That is what will keep this fire roaring for quite a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 £4 million minus Bristol Rover's cut is a travesty. For what is our talisman, our currently only fit striker over the age of 18, the hero... The board have either had a woeful day PR-wise or they really couldn't give a toss and just want the money. I'm struggling to think of many worse deal for us. You are right it is a total travesty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Absolutely right. Negotiating skills? Zero. Lol. The board got £4m for him and also shifted a £6m future liability off the wage bill. By Lambert going they have freed up c£10m - clever piece of business. He was great player but he was never going to recapture what he was and seeing a 35 year old Lambert limp around the pitch in 2017 was never going to best for him or us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 We do not now what the future holds but for me RK has forever lost my trust. You do not sell your star striker the day after you say no one will be sold before a new manager comes in. Feel much the same. Why do I find myself questioning whether this man has a clue what he's doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 That Blackmore tweet makes this even more annoying! We've been forced into selling someone under value because Liverpool say they'd move on otherwise? I mean that really shows we were in total control of the situation doesn't it, they said it's now or never, Rickie says i want to go there and we said OK but we're in control right !!! Krueger is a laughing stock who should skate back off to where he belongs, ice hockey and gabbing to the idle rich at Davos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 If we were able to keep Lallana and Shaw and sign a couple of top forwards I would be much more easy about seeing Lambert get his 'dream move'. Fact is, this is not just about Lambert in most fans eyes - it's about the systematic watering down of the experienced talent in the 1st team to raise funds to pay for a top heavy Board of Directors including a new Marketing genius. It FEELS like Lowe all over again - not investing enough in the 1st team - and we all know where that leads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Good luck to the lad, wonderful end to his career ,World cup in Brazil then a dream move to his boyhood club. Will remain a saints legend and should get a fantastic reception each and every time he returns. I'm not getting my knickers in a twist over the fee. What the guys done for the club if we've had to drop a bit to make it happen for him, then that's OK for me. With testimonials seemingly a thing of the past , I don't mind if our thank you to Rickie is ensuring this deal went through . Its what he deserves for fantastic service to the club. The saddest part of all this for me is the breaking up of the league 1 players. Its quite likely that José and kelvin will be the only 2 left come august. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 How long does/did he have left on his contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 He got old. 32 year old players dont command much of a fee. Its a good move for SFC especially since he has a contract till he's 35 and at his current rate of decline he'll be in a bath chair by then. Good luck to him. He's achieving his dream and I hope he gets a great last hurrah scoring off the bench in the CL for Liverpool. Good post and common sense. He was nearly sold to west ham by cortese and I reckon the board got the best price for a player whose 32 and coming to the end of his career. To much bed wetting and I expect the new manager will have a good kitty for transfers to spend.I also expect Ricky made it clear he wanted to go there. Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Well then will we have to sign three strikers now? Along with an attacking midfielder to replace Adam potentially, a left back and a couple of Centre backs as a minimum. We will end up with 7 or 8 new players this is depressing! Why is it with sfc we have to have extremes, either the iron fist of Nicola where everything is fine on the pitch but lots wrong off it or this shambles? Why can we not have a well run and ruthless football club who are also caring and personable off it??? I despair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 How long does/did he have left on his contract? Till summer 2016 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/article/lambert-signs-new-contract-728202.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 How is him saying the new manager has a say with all transactions and then that proving not to the case the very next day not a lie? He said that they want to involve the manager and that's why they're looking to get the appointment done quickly. He didn't promise that they would involve him in every single sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 How is him saying the new manager has a say with all transactions and then that proving not to the case the very next day not a lie? Circumstances change. Get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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