DuncanRG Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 People find it very easy to say 'no one is bigger than the club' when somebody has already left. Now is when that principle is really tested. Do we deny our talisman his dream move for the good of the club?
Shroppie Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 (edited) Can't believe the Sky coverage. Still saying "Sky sources believe Liverpool are close to agreeing a 9M fee" I can't find any reliable confirmation of this anywhere - just typical Sky. In fact all that has happened is an offer seems to have been made and Saints have rejected it, but they have suggested that, if the right offer (absolutely no figure mentioned) is received and RL wants the move, Saints won't stand in his way. We are clearly NOT close to agreeing a fee, although I think it will probably happen once the new manager is in place. Edited 30 May, 2014 by Shroppie
Badger Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 People find it very easy to say 'no one is bigger than the club' when somebody has already left. Now is when that principle is really tested. Do we deny our talisman his dream move for the good of the club? Yes, for now. At least until after the WC. This move is just damaging the morale of everyone involved with the club, other players in particular. I wonder if this move by Liverpool is designed to influence Lallana in seeking to join his team mate.
Jimmy_D Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 From the different snippets that are out there, maybe Liverpool bid £4M, got rejected, and were told that it'd take at least £9M for us to accept it?
dellboypete Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 if he would be 4th choice, who would be 3rd? If he goes he'll be back-up and might get games in the early euro rounds, He has been a great servant for us, but I realistically think he has only a season or so left playing regularly. He was beginning to show his age towards the end of last season. Having said all that we love him to bits and having been part of Saints revival from the 3rd tier I would be sad to see him go
dellboypete Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 Oooo - just noticed it's taken me nearly six years to get to 500 posts - not bad considering I spend a large part of my day checking this site for news, updates etc Now, must go and renew my two season tickets before tonight......
Professor Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 If you check again on the Kruguer interview he makes the point that all the key players are on long-term contracts and that any transfers out will be on Southampton's terms. Also said he wanted the new manager involved in 'some' of the transfer decisions, a phrase that he then corrected to 'all' of the decisions. Its hard to see the chairman of a multi-million pound business, which SFC is, allowing his words to be misconstrued. That doesn't rule out letting Lambert go if they judge that he is replaceable and that the fee is more than adequate and, as many on here have said, his age suggests that we have seen his best years. But Kruguer's interview would still indicate consultation with the new manager before any deal is signed and that does mean that no deal is done unless and until it is done. If they were to go ahead with a sale before the manager is appointed, that would undermine Kruguer's position and put him in the firing line of the fans which you would expect him to want to avoid.
Badger Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 If he goes he'll be back-up and might get games in the early euro rounds, He has been a great servant for us, but I realistically think he has only a season or so left playing regularly. He was beginning to show his age towards the end of last season. Having said all that we love him to bits and having been part of Saints revival from the 3rd tier I would be sad to see him go Despite which we were always a better team with him in the side. Otherwise agree with you.
Batman Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 woud this mean, like MP, Lambert would have used us as a stepping stone to further his own career and pay packet? obviously, no one will agree to that
Heisenberg Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 MLT sums this up nicely If Rickie joins lfc i will say good luck to him and thanks for helping to resurrect #sfc its His boyhood team and in CL. #stillahero Lets not panic about possible exits until you see how the funds are reinvested in the squad and see how we look when season starts
Professor Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 do any of you stop and think for one minute that players may have clauses in their contracts that allow them to talk to other clubs if a clause is triggered???.....suppose it is just easier to blame someone else.....seems to be the norm nowadays this blame culture.... If there is such a clause in any player's contract Kruguer would not have been able to say that decisions to transfer would be on Southampton's terms. That seems to be evidence that there is no such clause. What evidence is there to the contrary?>
teacher Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 MLT sums this up nicely If Rickie joins lfc i will say good luck to him and thanks for helping to resurrect #sfc its His boyhood team and in CL. #stillahero Lets not panic about possible exits until you see how the funds are reinvested in the squad and see how we look when season starts This
DuncanRG Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 From the Telegraph's report (which says that Liverpool are hoping to secure a 'bargain' £4m switch): "Liverpool are adamant they will not go beyond their carefully calculated valuations – something they believe the club has done too often in the past." That can only be a good thing. Price them out.
dubai_phil Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 Southampton FC News and Updates BREAKING NEWS Liverpool boss Brendon Rodgers bids 25 million plus add on's for Ted Bates statue.
Window Cleaner Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 Southampton FC News and Updates BREAKING NEWS Liverpool boss Brendon Rodgers bids 25 million plus add on's for Ted Bates statue. I think we could let him have the initial one for that, perhaps bung a couple of quid Crouchie's way, sort of sell on fee.
Window Cleaner Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 From the Telegraph's report (which says that Liverpool are hoping to secure a 'bargain' £4m switch): "Liverpool are adamant they will not go beyond their carefully calculated valuations – something they believe the club has done too often in the past." That can only be a good thing. Price them out. And have Rickie sulking for ever more...yeah right, I'd see that as standing in his way myself, deliberately pricing him out of the move.
Baird of the land Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 From the Telegraph's report (which says that Liverpool are hoping to secure a 'bargain' £4m switch): "Liverpool are adamant they will not go beyond their carefully calculated valuations – something they believe the club has done too often in the past." That can only be a good thing. Price them out. If we fold and let them bully us into selling dirt cheap, they'll keep coming back and beating us up for our bargains. Bloody Swansea extracted 15m for the awful Joe Allen. 4m for england international is an utter joke
Baird of the land Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 And have Rickie sulking for ever more...yeah right, I'd see that as standing in his way myself, deliberately pricing him out of the move. Club needs to serve its own interests. Selling Rickie for a packet of peanuts because he wants to go there would be ridiculous. Liverpool need to pay a decent fee if they want him, at least match what we turned down from West Ham in Jan.
Foxstone Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 Ricky owes us nothing - He has had 5 great seasons here where he has effectively been our talisman during our rise from the 3rd tier. Before coming to us he was a Bristol Rovers player, but he has risen with us to the Premiership, going to a world cup so it kinda makes sense that he would like to close his playing career with his boyhood club. If he goes, he will go with grateful thanks from me and with all good wishes.
shurlock Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 Fee agreed according to Press Association. Medical tmrw.
sadoldgit Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 woud this mean, like MP, Lambert would have used us as a stepping stone to further his own career and pay packet? obviously, no one will agree to that Different circumstances entirely. Pochettino was only here for a short time and it in the early stages of his career in management. Ricky has helped us climb through the divsions and is at the end of his career.
KingdomCome Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 If he goes before the WC, I'll be completely gutted. If he goes after the WC, I'll be disappointed that he won't be at Saints, but otherwise delighted for him If he stays, fantastic. But it seems all that's happened so far is a bid has been made and rejected. Just like RK said...there may be transactions, but on our terms.
Convict Colony Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 Simon Peach @SimonPeach 1m Rickie Lambert is set to undergo a medical at #LFC on Saturday after a fee was agreed with #SaintsFC, Press Association Sport understands
Convict Colony Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 Sky Sports News @SkySportsNews 1m Press Association: Rickie Lambert expected to have medical at Liverpool tomorrow after fee agreed with Southampton. More on #SSN
wildsaint Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 And have Rickie sulking for ever more...yeah right, I'd see that as standing in his way myself, deliberately pricing him out of the move. if he sulks he sulks. What the **** is he going to do after a few weeks? refuse to play for the rest of his contract? sure he may be annoyed for a little but but Christ on a bike life's too short to hold grudges. he will understand exactly the reason why we don't want to let him go. Call me naïve to the ways of modern football but I would hold them all to contract and be ****ed with their mood swings. If they don't play any football, lose their win bonus etc then they will soon start getting their heads around the need to play. Id rather have a ****ed off lallana, lambert, shaw and sniederlin in the team than a happy go lucky championship replacement.
beatlesaint Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 Simon Peach @SimonPeach 1m Rickie Lambert is set to undergo a medical at #LFC on Saturday after a fee was agreed with #SaintsFC, Press Association Sport understands Will this be one of those Liverpool say 4 million, Saints say 8 million and the truth lies somewhere in between I wonder ?
SaintRobbie Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 I think we could let him have the initial one for that, perhaps bung a couple of quid Crouchie's way, sort of sell on fee. Lol. The first statue was priceless. Liverpool couldn't afford it. I wonder what happened to it?
OldNick Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 He's a great football player, he's everybody's type . not on here he's not been. I myself have always been supportive of him as i can see how good he is for us
Convict Colony Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 Fairplay to the lad, living his fairytale, glad we were a big part of it.
Kingsland Codger Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 BBC 5 Live were reporting this "deal close to being done, medical on Saturday" on the news at 6 this morning. Nothing new in the Press Association reports.
Mouldy Coat Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 Will this be one of those Liverpool say 4 million, Saints say 8 million and the truth lies somewhere in between I wonder ? Krueger says 'we will sell on our terms' Liverpool offer £150k, Saints say no we want £4m for a full England International Striker.......Liverpool bite our hand off, Krueger thinks we have negotiated a good deal. Laughing stock
pap Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 If he goes before the WC, I'll be completely gutted. If he goes after the WC, I'll be disappointed that he won't be at Saints, but otherwise delighted for him If he stays, fantastic. But it seems all that's happened so far is a bid has been made and rejected. Just like RK said...there may be transactions, but on our terms. Does it make that much difference? He's been picked on his Saints form. We all know that. With the younger players, it absolutely makes a difference. They can come out of the WC worth millions more, depending on how good they are. Rickie is 32. Let's split the difference between 4m and 9m and say the fee is around 6m. Is his value really going to increase beyond that? The fee might even reflect LFC's desire to do business now.
SaintRobbie Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 if he sulks he sulks. What the **** is he going to do after a few weeks? refuse to play for the rest of his contract? sure he may be annoyed for a little but but Christ on a bike life's too short to hold grudges. he will understand exactly the reason why we don't want to let him go. Call me naïve to the ways of modern football but I would hold them all to contract and be ****ed with their mood swings. If they don't play any football, lose their win bonus etc then they will soon start getting their heads around the need to play. Id rather have a ****ed off lallana, lambert, shaw and sniederlin in the team than a happy go lucky championship replacement. I think that's a bit extreme, but your sentiment is right. If you want to progress you have to say to the players that they are going nowhere at some stage.
OldNick Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 Extremely naive - don't even bring Carroll into it. Did you see BR's press conference from the first game? Spoke gushingly about Lambert and the technical side of his game. Remember he would be a 4th choice to replace replace the ineffectual Aspas. Would be a decent option when teams come to park the bus and drop deeper. He can hold the ball up in dangerous areas and will have time to play others in as well as provide an aerial threat relative to Sturridge and Suarez. They don't have an option like that. Away from home, it's a different matter. He doesn't fit their counterattacking style. But as I say, he's going to fill the squad, not be an every game starter. where are you putting him to play in their fluid style of play and in whose place? You then mention an aerial threat but tell me not to mention Carroll. My point was that BR did not want the big man up front, not that i was comparing the 2
TUS Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 I'm really gutted about this one. Have tried to remain optimistic, but I genuinely fear for our club now. We are a laughing stock. Depressing times & I just want to punch RK in his smug American face right now.
hypochondriac Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 Does it make that much difference? He's been picked on his Saints form. We all know that. With the younger players, it absolutely makes a difference. They can come out of the WC worth millions more, depending on how good they are. Rickie is 32. Let's split the difference between 4m and 9m and say the fee is around 6m. Is his value really going to increase beyond that? The fee might even reflect LFC's desire to do business now. I think it's more that people want to be able to cheer on our legendary saints striker at the world cup. Selling him before that means it will not be the same.
Window Cleaner Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 Simon Peach @SimonPeach 1m Rickie Lambert is set to undergo a medical at #LFC on Saturday after a fee was agreed with #SaintsFC, Press Association Sport understands Well if there's any substance in that then it looks like we played really hard-ball, controlled the situation down to the last detail and consulted the incoming manager about it. If he signs for them before the WC then I think we can discount anything that Krueger says as highly debatable, as some of us have warned you all on the odd occasion..
JoeShmoe Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 Ricky owes us nothing - He has had 5 great seasons here where he has effectively been our talisman during our rise from the 3rd tier. Before coming to us he was a Bristol Rovers player, but he has risen with us to the Premiership, going to a world cup so it kinda makes sense that he would like to close his playing career with his boyhood club. If he goes, he will go with grateful thanks from me and with all good wishes. This. 100%, people acting like players owe us their lives, if anyone in SFC deserves this with good wishes it's SRL - just hope the board has a suitable list of replacements and funds to get them, i dont think people like RdB or Koeman would come here without funds available
Mouldy Coat Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 Does it make that much difference? He's been picked on his Saints form. We all know that. With the younger players, it absolutely makes a difference. They can come out of the WC worth millions more, depending on how good they are. Rickie is 32. Let's split the difference between 4m and 9m and say the fee is around 6m. Is his value really going to increase beyond that? The fee might even reflect LFC's desire to do business now. I think the point is, how are we going to replace a full Engaland International striker? £4M, £6M, £8M ETC is pittance when you look at the £80m at stake
ratio_decidendi Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 Does it make that much difference? He's been picked on his Saints form. We all know that. With the younger players, it absolutely makes a difference. They can come out of the WC worth millions more, depending on how good they are. Rickie is 32. Let's split the difference between 4m and 9m and say the fee is around 6m. Is his value really going to increase beyond that? The fee might even reflect LFC's desire to do business now. Like KingdomCome, I'll also be massively disappointed if Lambert was to go before the World Cup in spite of all the good business that might come out of it. Yes, it's an emotional response, but as a Southampton fan I am thrilled that we have the opportunity to field three of our biggest talents at the most illustrious international stage. It now seems unlikely that we'll even get one beyond the younger teams.
CityRanger Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 If he goes before the WC, I'll be completely gutted. If he goes after the WC, I'll be disappointed that he won't be at Saints, but otherwise delighted for him. On the plus side, if he misses a vital penalty I won't be half as disappointed. He'll just be a useless scouse ***t !
Ken Tone Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 On the plus side, if he misses a vital penalty I won't be half as disappointed. He'll just be a useless scouse ***t ! That's the spirit!
JoeShmoe Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 BBC Solent Sport @solentsport An agreement has been reached between #saintsfc & Liverpool over Rickie Lambert. Medical on Saturday. Lambert will sign a 2-year deal
jayrivers Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11700/9331421/premier-league-southampton-striker-rickie-lambert-set-to-have-medical-at-liverpool sky reporting fee agreed
SO16_Saint Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 if we can get £8M for him before the WC - and he gets injured....
jayrivers Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 if we can get £8M for him before the WC - and he gets injured.... It does seem a lot of money for a 32 year old who at times seemed to struggle last year... As I said on another thread, it all depends what happens to the money and which manager we get in. if we get a good manager and they get all this money + more then that's a good sign of intent! However I am wondering now... It does make the statement of no offers on the table look rather stupid!
shurlock Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 (edited) where are you putting him to play in their fluid style of play and in whose place? You then mention an aerial threat but tell me not to mention Carroll. My point was that BR did not want the big man up front, not that i was comparing the 2 Unlike Carroll, he has more to his game than just aerial ability (as you point out); but the fact is that he is better in the air than Sturridge and Suarez. He's played in a fluid system with us, so I don't see the transition being that difficult. He won't many start games (maybe some of the domestic cup competitions); rather he'll be happy to warm bench -another reason why he's attractive to them. If they need to change things, then he provides something else -at whose expense, who knows. Depends on the flow of any given game. Edited 30 May, 2014 by shurlock
SaintRobbie Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 if we can get £8M for him before the WC - and he gets injured.... I assume he won't play tonight against Peru now? Surely Saints won't allow him to be picked before a medical for a club move?
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