Administration is the ONLY way to break this downward spiral

[NickG]

you are struggling to follow your own thread!

 

you are saying opt for administration rather than be as we are today.

 

I offer no guarantee that we will not go into administration as I do not know nearly enough detail. But you suggested we opt for that now, so I was comparing the two options offered -as of today.

 

Its obvious you don't read understand other people's posts before posting your bitter responses -but thought at least you managed to understand your own!

 

I think the vast majority of the 150 responses on here are clear that the first post on this was the utterly ridicilous and idiotic one! Please try and keep up, I have posted a CBBC explanation link for you, it may help.

[alpine_saint]

you are struggling to follow your own thread!

 

you are saying opt for administration rather than be as we are today.

 

I offer no guarantee that we will not go into administration as I do not know nearly enough detail. But you suggested we opt for that now, so I was comparing the two options offered -as of today.

 

Its obvious you don't read understand other people's posts before posting your bitter responses -but thought at least you managed to understand your own!

 

I think the vast majority of the 150 responses on here are clear that the first post on this was the utterly ridicilous and idiotic one! Please try and keep up, I have posted a CBBC explanation link for you, it may help.

 

How old are you ?

 

You do that really imbecilic thing of quoting people and modifying what they wrote, and put links to a kids site thinking yourself extremely witty.

 

I am arguing that going into administration now will stop the agony, set us up for reasonable preparation and attempt at next season in League 1 instead of the decline of attendance leading to financial disaster and administration next season (which will take us to League 2, thats the old 4th division for the benefit of mongs like you), and may flush out somebody willing to pick the company up as a going concern on the cheap

 

Why is that so difficult for you to understand, or do you understand it but your Messiah would lose out so you try to scare people, Luvvie ???

 

Can you explain why you are only highlighting the issues of administration that suit your agenda ???

[NickG]

read the link, it may help -it is a genuine explanation.

 

Lowe is not the messiah. He isn't even particularly good!

[alpine_saint]

read the link, it may help

 

Yep, nothing to say, and no answer to perfectly reasonable questions.

 

Your Messiah would be envious.

[wild-saint]

Sorry John, I'm afraid you're seriously wrong here. What I do advocate is not "doing something" due to a misguided belief that it's better than "doing nothing" and that the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.

 

Present me with a plausible alternative that has a realistic chance of success and I'l be all over it.

 

Sense as I see it. Show me an alternative and then we have a choice. Utill that day we have no chohce but to fight our way out of trouble and support our team.

 

Administration is not an option until we have no choice and its forced upon us. All IMO of course.

[NickG]

How old are you ?

 

You do that really imbecilic thing of quoting people and modifying what they wrote, and put links to a kids site thinking yourself extremely witty.the kids site gave an explanation of administration for football clubs -once again you should try reading before criticising

 

I am arguing that going into administration now will stop the agony, set us up for reasonable preparation and attempt at next season in League 1 instead of the decline of attendance leading to financial disaster and administration next season (which will take us to League 2, thats the old 4th division for the benefit of mongs like you), and may flush out somebody willing to pick the company up as a going concern on the cheap

there is some logic - if relegation and administration were guarnateed now, they aren't. We are in real threat of relegation but are far from down. Administration -who knows we are being told its being controlled but we are guessing

Why is that so difficult for you to understand, or do you understand it but your Messiah would lose out so you try to scare people, Luvvie ???there is no need to try and scare people, as administration is scary. Its also not on here the decision will be made. As you well know I am not a particular fan of Lowe but its easy to call someone a Luvvie just because they don't agree with you. I personally guess that administration may well strengthen Lowe's position anyway so Lowe luvvies may argue for it.

 

Can you explain why you are only highlighting the issues of administration that suit your agenda ???I highlighted that part as the other part had already been put forward by yourself as a way forward -so it was pointing out the other option.

 

Hope this answers all.

[Frank's cousin]

Alpine - what gets me is this - Lowe out is one thing - each to their own, and if you truely believe that getting rid of him willl be the answer to our prayers and see the club build to success - then I dont think anyone would argue against that - IF it were the most likely outcome. But using administration as the tool to get rid? FFS do you really believe that after Lowe has gone, and we are left in the hands of the administrators all our problems would be solved?

 

Do we have a guarrantee that someone with sufficient funds to rebuild the club is available? NO we dont, we have the usual rumour and speculation about another tin pot tire kickers etc but no one stepping in to help the club now when the need is greatest? Where is the red and white blood these guys might proferss to have running through tehir vains? Because if true, they would be supporting the club NOW precisely to stave off relegation and administration. Or are we suggesting that they might, just might be like ALL businessmen and belive in getting a bargain?

[NickG]

Alpine - what gets me is this - Lowe out is one thing - each to their own, and if you truely believe that getting rid of him willl be the answer to our prayers and see the club build to success - then I dont think anyone would argue against that - IF it were the most likely outcome. But using administration as the tool to get rid? FFS do you really believe that after Lowe has gone, and we are left in the hands of the administrators all our problems would be solved?

 

Do we have a guarrantee that someone with sufficient funds to rebuild the club is available? NO we dont, we have the usual rumour and speculation about another tin pot tire kickers etc but no one stepping in to help the club now when the need is greatest? Where is the red and white blood these guys might proferss to have running through tehir vains? Because if true, they would be supporting the club NOW precisely to stave off relegation and administration. Or are we suggesting that they might, just might be like ALL businessmen and belive in getting a bargain?

 

stop trying to scare people with reason just to protect your messiah you luvvie!

[bridge too far]

The thing about administration that scares me to death is the thought of Lowe buying the club out of administration for a pittance.

 

Going into administration WILL NOT guarantee that we see the back of Lowe - far from it. Remember LS's post last night about Lowe being up to something with Dennis Roach (allegedly)?

 

This frightens me.

[NickG]

The thing about administration that scares me to death is the thought of Lowe buying the club out of administration for a pittance.

 

Going into administration WILL NOT guarantee that we see the back of Lowe - far from it. Remember LS's post last night about Lowe being up to something with Dennis Roach (allegedly)?

 

This frightens me.

 

exactly the point I was making.

[alpine_saint]

Alpine - what gets me is this - Lowe out is one thing - each to their own, and if you truely believe that getting rid of him willl be the answer to our prayers and see the club build to success - then I dont think anyone would argue against that - IF it were the most likely outcome. But using administration as the tool to get rid? FFS do you really believe that after Lowe has gone, and we are left in the hands of the administrators all our problems would be solved?

 

Do we have a guarrantee that someone with sufficient funds to rebuild the club is available? NO we dont, we have the usual rumour and speculation about another tin pot tire kickers etc but no one stepping in to help the club now when the need is greatest? Where is the red and white blood these guys might proferss to have running through tehir vains? Because if true, they would be supporting the club NOW precisely to stave off relegation and administration. Or are we suggesting that they might, just might be like ALL businessmen and belive in getting a bargain?

 

As I have pointed out several times, we are in administration now - already - in all but name (and points). Our second biggest creditor (Barclays) is calling the shots, and Lowe is simply doing their bidding.

 

When the ballon goes up because Lowe and SFC are not fulfilling Barclays wishes, we lose the points too. I say do it NOW so it doesnt screw up next season (this one is screwed already - we are 1 point from relegation and will lose half our first team next month).

 

I did make one brief comment a while back that if this removed Lowe and co this would be the icing on the cake, but that I support administration now even if Lowe bought the club up completely, because then when he makes crap decisions that go tits-up next season, he cannot blame anyone else..

[alpine_saint]

stop trying to scare people with reason just to protect your messiah you luvvie!

 

Go back to the playground and call the little girls names...

[badgerx16]

Maybe we can ensure the Rupert does not have the opportunity to buy the club back. All we need is a couple of peeps on here to get together; one with connections to a cement works, and the other with Sicilian relatives

[bridge too far]

But if Lowe bought the club up completely, and it did go tits up next season, sure he'd be the only one we direct our wrath at.

 

However, if he THEN decided to sell, he'd trouser a nice tidy sum, wouldn't he?

 

That would stick in my throat

[alpine_saint]

Maybe we can ensure the Rupert does not have the opportunity to buy the club back. All we need is a couple of peeps on here to get together; one with connections to a cement works, and the other with Sicilian relatives

 

I dont see it so clear-cut anyway. Maybe Crouch or someone can make a more attractive offer ? After all, Lowe cant or wont put money into the club - never has, never will.

[Sheff Saint]

I want shot of Lowe and Wilde.

 

My only observation on administration, and i'm no expert, is this.

 

Of the teams that entered admin since the -10 points rule was introduced, all of them, ALL OF THEM, are worse off now, than pre-admin.

[alpine_saint]

But if Lowe bought the club up completely, and it did go tits up next season, sure he'd be the only one we direct our wrath at.

 

However, if he THEN decided to sell, he'd trouser a nice tidy sum, wouldn't he?

 

That would stick in my throat

 

I want him out. I am past caring about him making money out of it. He's already made a fortune out of the club anyway.

[alpine_saint]

I want shot of Lowe and Wilde.

 

My only observation on administration, and i'm no expert, is this.

 

Of the teams that entered admin since the -10 points rule was introduced, all of them, ALL OF THEM, are worse off now, than pre-admin.

 

-10 points is 3 wins and a draw.

 

I reckon we would easily have had those points this season if Pearson were still here. And we would have positive moment to get more, unlike the awful slump we are in now.

[Sheff Saint]

-10 points is 3 wins and a draw.

 

I reckon we would easily have had those points this season if Pearson were still here. And we would have positive moment to get more, unlike the awful slump we are in now.

 

I agree 100% with that.

 

But regards entering admin, I'm just worried that history shows us teams that enter admin don't recover very quickly.

[OldNick]

I think you'll find I would think exactly the same irrespective of who was Chairman.

 

The one thing I have a strong opinion on is the need to accept responsibility. If you're happy to take the money and the plaudits when things are going well, then you should have the balls to accept responsibility when things go pear shaped.

 

Mistakes of the magnitude of Wigley (along with how the appointment came about) and the cost of it to the Club were big enough to consider asking those involved to step down, and IMHO so is this decision.

 

Lowe is intrinsically linked with this "Revolutionary Coaching Set Up" and so if Jan goes, then IMHO Lowe's position is untenable.

If that was the case then Woodford should have gone when LM got us relegated. Efvery PM would last less than a year.

All businesses make howlers but it is not the main man who in t5he main loses his job.

I think that as people depise RL so much they do not use even handed arguements. Who appointed G&D last season, I think it was LC (I may be wrong) but whoever should have resigned if you are going to use the same arguement on RL.

Ps Sad old git alluded to your nephew, is he someone at SMS?

[Snowballs2]

Frankly I am gob smacked that there is any person left who can defend Rupert Lowe. His diviseivness has split the fan base, reduced the income of the club he was allegedly trying to save. As I said in a previous post, no other person in the history of the club has done so much to destroy Saints.

An honest hard look at his history should convince most that he is not fit to be any where near our club.

Bring on Administration if it gets rid of Lowe and Wilde and do it NOW

[OldNick]

-10 points is 3 wins and a draw.

 

I reckon we would easily have had those points this season if Pearson were still here. And we would have positive moment to get more, unlike the awful slump we are in now.

but how do you know.If NP had the same constraints and couldnt play the 'star' names I doubt he would be better or worse off. It is easy to pluck him out of the air and make these grand statements. he failed to gain fantastic results when he was here and forget not the home game against Burnley and the away game at Cardiff where they were gimme games as they were protecting themselves from a cup final and the other going through the motions as they had nothing to play for.We were saved with only 20minutes to go.It was hardly fantastic stuff.He also had the advantage of getting some very high paid players on the books for those games on loan

[alpine_saint]

but how do you know.If NP had the same constraints and couldnt play the 'star' names I doubt he would be better or worse off. It is easy to pluck him out of the air and make these grand statements. he failed to gain fantastic results when he was here and forget not the home game against Burnley and the away game at Cardiff where they were gimme games as they were protecting themselves from a cup final and the other going through the motions as they had nothing to play for.We were saved with only 20minutes to go.It was hardly fantastic stuff.He also had the advantage of getting some very high paid players on the books for those games on loan

 

Agree there are no certainties in life, but this is my judgement.

 

Pearson, with whatever personnel he was finally stuck with, would not have played such utterly ineffective football, and I suspect would have stood up to the suspected board-room meddling better.

[um pahars]

If that was the case then Woodford should have gone when LM got us relegated. Efvery PM would last less than a year.

All businesses make howlers but it is not the main man who in t5he main loses his job.

 

Taking responsibility ranges from holding up your hand and saying "I fccukced up" to saying "I believe the honorable thing would be for me to stand down". To what degree would depend on the decision, the context and whole host of other factors, so that's whay I think bring up something that happened 35 years ago is somewhat out of context.

 

I think that as people depise RL so much they do not use even handed arguements. Who appointed G&D last season, I think it was LC (I may be wrong) but whoever should have resigned if you are going to use the same arguement on RL.

 

And if you read my reply to boring Bern then you will see that I would have asked just the same of Crouch as I do of Lowe. Anyone who is a temporary custodian of our Club should not be above questioning and being held to account (so feel free to stop peddling that boring line).

 

Ps Sad old git alluded to your nephew, is he someone at SMS?

 

Yes, he is. He's regularly involved with working with the coaching staff, particularly the youth side and has been doing so for about two years now.

[NickG]

Go back to the playground and call the little girls names...

 

this forum would be better without the name calling and labelling. I was making the point, probably too sarcastically, that you resort to such labels when a point is put that you disagree with

[NickG]

Frankly I am gob smacked that there is any person left who can defend Rupert Lowe. His diviseivness has split the fan base, reduced the income of the club he was allegedly trying to save. As I said in a previous post, no other person in the history of the club has done so much to destroy Saints.

An honest hard look at his history should convince most that he is not fit to be any where near our club.

Bring on Administration if it gets rid of Lowe and Wilde and do it NOW

 

don't think, maybe wrong, there is a post on here defending Lowe, (which is why the lowe luvvie retorts are pathetic) what people are disagreeing with is that administration is a sound move - its not.

[OldNick]

Frankly I am gob smacked that there is any person left who can defend Rupert Lowe. His diviseivness has split the fan base, reduced the income of the club he was allegedly trying to save. As I said in a previous post, no other person in the history of the club has done so much to destroy Saints.

An honest hard look at his history should convince most that he is not fit to be any where near our club.

Bring on Administration if it gets rid of Lowe and Wilde and do it NOW

Snowballs you get confused with being even handed with defending.You and others told us 'anyone but RL'

 

We were grandly toold that we had our club back and it was football first.You wouldnt listen and seem to have not learnt from your mistakes.

If you really believe that Administration would definately rid us of RL etc and we would be better off, then you are not as bright as you think you are.

Whatever happens we may go down, whoever was chairman would see crowds drop to under 9k. many who bang the drum against RL dont ven go to games and so if we went into administration and the best players given away it would not effect their enjoyment or quality of entertainment as Teletext is just as exciting if you are in the PL or L2.

I go to home games and pay my entrance fee to watch the club I have supported for 40 years. If we go down so be it, I will be a mug who still will go and look forward to better times, not sit at home and wait until then.

I never have gone to games thinking who is the chairman as i dont think it matters as much as who is on the pitch or manager.I understand that the chairman picks the manager,but a manager can be good at some clubs and useless at others.

The divisiveness has been self induced, from day one many didnt like him due to various reasons and use him for a blame culture that effects our society more and more.

I will say again let him go I wont miss him but if so demand that they all go lock stock and barrel because they all have had their part to play in the disgusting fall ofr our club.

[Snowballs2]

Snowballs you get confused with being even handed with defending.You and others told us 'anyone but RL'

 

We were grandly toold that we had our club back and it was football first.You wouldnt listen and seem to have not learnt from your mistakes.

If you really believe that Administration would definately rid us of RL etc and we would be better off, then you are not as bright as you think you are.

Whatever happens we may go down, whoever was chairman would see crowds drop to under 9k. many who bang the drum against RL dont ven go to games and so if we went into administration and the best players given away it would not effect their enjoyment or quality of entertainment as Teletext is just as exciting if you are in the PL or L2.

I go to home games and pay my entrance fee to watch the club I have supported for 40 years. If we go down so be it, I will be a mug who still will go and look forward to better times, not sit at home and wait until then.

I never have gone to games thinking who is the chairman as i dont think it matters as much as who is on the pitch or manager.I understand that the chairman picks the manager,but a manager can be good at some clubs and useless at others.

The divisiveness has been self induced, from day one many didnt like him due to various reasons and use him for a blame culture that effects our society more and more.

I will say again let him go I wont miss him but if so demand that they all go lock stock and barrel because they all have had their part to play in the disgusting fall ofr our club.

 

 

I have never been and never will be a supporter of Rupert Lowe, One man who single handed has been responsible for our demise, it is either due to his reverse take over at the start, or other failures in between the latest the Dutch dodderere. Many, many, bad decisions under his guidance have brought us to the state we are in. To believe that with Lowe gone, and relegation is only going to bring gates of 9k is silly.

Next season if he is gone, then even in a lower division we will still get gates of at least 15'000.

The fact that you can still support the man who is leading our demise, without thinking of his failures beggars belief. I have always had you marked as a pacifist and that is not name calling, its an honest view of someone I judge as always wanting to be seen being politically correct. Those people are ruining this country the namby pambies.

Don't take offence at the similie I use but it is how I feel every time I read one of your posts.

Have a great Christmas and New Year

[OldNick]

I have never been and never will be a supporter of Rupert Lowe, One man who single handed has been responsible for our demise, it is either due to his reverse take over at the start, or other failures in between the latest the Dutch dodderere. Many, many, bad decisions under his guidance have brought us to the state we are in. To believe that with Lowe gone, and relegation is only going to bring gates of 9k is silly.

Next season if he is gone, then even in a lower division we will still get gates of at least 15'000.

The fact that you can still support the man who is leading our demise, without thinking of his failures beggars belief. I have always had you marked as a pacifist and that is not name calling, its an honest view of someone I judge as always wanting to be seen being politically correct. Those people are ruining this country the namby pambies.

Don't take offence at the similie I use but it is how I feel every time I read one of your posts.

Have a great Christmas and New Year

Jeesh have you got me wrong.A pacifist and politicallt correct lol.Extreme rasism is something im against, apart from that Iam more right wing and get sick and tired of all the Liberal ways that have been forced on us.

You really believe that 15k will turn up in L1!!!! We dont have that now.If we do as Leicester are doing then we will get 15-22k if as I think we will do in L1 and the crowds will be 9k or lower.

Where is Fulthoprpe? and Salz all these people have raised our hopes of ridding the club of the rotten core but no they sit on their hands and are either waiting for us to be picked up for peanuts or are just all talk and in turn causing more instability.

I still think this yungside can stay up comfortably but we need a manager who has got steel drive and vision to get them playing to their potential.Jan I find difficult to understand what he is trying to get across and I suspect thep layers dont get it either.

[Gemmel]

Where is Fulthoprpe? and Salz all these people have raised our hopes of ridding the club of the rotten core but no they sit on their hands and are either waiting for us to be picked up for peanuts or are just all talk and in turn causing more instability.

 

 

Fulthorpe is certainly guilty of raising peoples hopes with his constant assurances to many that a deal was all but done and even as recently as three weeks ago, was promising that teh "Money" had arrived. Ive never met the bloke or tried to buy a football club, but im pretty sure that's not the way you go about it and would now be seriously worried if he did ever pull it off.

 

As for Saltz, i think that's very unfair to tar him with the same brush as Fulthorpe. I'm not aware of any promises he as made and seems to have kept a very low profile since he came on the scene through Crouch (I think) Lowe doesn't seem to want to use him in any capacity, so he's not really relevant anymore (a great shame imho).

[Snowballs2]

Fulthorpe is certainly guilty of raising peoples hopes with his constant assurances to many that a deal was all but done and even as recently as three weeks ago, was promising that teh "Money" had arrived. Ive never met the bloke or tried to buy a football club, but im pretty sure that's not the way you go about it and would now be seriously worried if he did ever pull it off.

 

As for Saltz, i think that's very unfair to tar him with the same brush as Fulthorpe. I'm not aware of any promises he as made and seems to have kept a very low profile since he came on the scene through Crouch (I think) Lowe doesn't seem to want to use him in any capacity, so he's not really relevant anymore (a great shame imho).

 

 

I agree at no time has Saltz ever suggested that he would buy the club, Fulthorpe however is a different kettle of fish. I would not want him near the club in view of his past statements about how close he was to putting a deal to bed.

Trust i9s a very important part of our future something Lowe should consider, so few of our supporters have any trust in Lowe, and they do not want a copy of him with Fulthorpe

[alpine_saint]

Where is Fulthoprpe? and Salz all these people have raised our hopes of ridding the club of the rotten core but no they sit on their hands and are either waiting for us to be picked up for peanuts or are just all talk and in turn causing more instability.

 

An interesting point you've raised....

 

We keep hearing that administration would be as disaster, but consider this :

 

We know several parties have sniffed around the club. Say they got wind of the financial mess we are in at the time, know we are close to administration, and are simply waiting for the inevitable to happen. It makes perfect sense to wait until administration is confirmed and pick the club up from the administrators as a going concern, not only because it will be a darn sight cheaper leaving possibly funds for the team, but also because it avoids the need for the ego-driven individual negotiations required with the larger shareholders who we know from the SISU situation will never pull together in the same direction.

 

Its easier and cheaper.

 

So I for one dont buy this argument that administration automatically means asset stripping the club piecemeal and a topple over the precipice for SFC...

[scott_saints]

lol@alpine

[alpine_saint]

And your solution is what, exactly ?

[Gordon Mockles]

Sadly we've had the Dell spirit kicked and beaten from us ever since we became a PLC

 

Never a truer word spoken!

 

Since Mr Askham, Lowe, esq. decided to use the club as a personal finance booster, the club has continually suffered at the hands of the greedy!

 

I can't help but wonder where we'd be today if Frost and Davies took over...My heart bleeds thinking of it! Still, there's nothing we can do to change any of that now. Just close our eyes and hope for the best but I have the same feeling I predicted at the onset of the relegation season - Yup, relegation seems a dead and very likely cert.

[Ponty]

Nice one Scotty.

[saintjay77]

Fulthorpe is certainly guilty of raising peoples hopes with his constant assurances to many that a deal was all but done and even as recently as three weeks ago, was promising that teh "Money" had arrived. Ive never met the bloke or tried to buy a football club, but im pretty sure that's not the way you go about it and would now be seriously worried if he did ever pull it off.

 

As for Saltz, i think that's very unfair to tar him with the same brush as Fulthorpe. I'm not aware of any promises he as made and seems to have kept a very low profile since he came on the scene through Crouch (I think) Lowe doesn't seem to want to use him in any capacity, so he's not really relevant anymore (a great shame imho).

 

IMO Salz has been built up as some kind of saviour to the club by certain fans who are still in the anyone but Lowe camp. He may be better but he may not and like others have said the critasism is unfair because not once has he himself put himself forward as any kind of new hope or saviour.

 

unfortunatly the only people to have put themselves forward are wannabees and fakes. the wannabees either want there name in the papers or want to buy another club and used us to twist the arms of elsewhere.

 

I dont see Administration bringing anything different either which is why i think it will be more likly that we will start next season in league 1 with a points penalty, less talent and the same people in charge.

 

Not something to look forward to IMO

[Ponty]

I was told, by a very reliable source, that the Salz thing will never, ever happen. EVER.

 

Make of that cryptic message what you will...

[saintjay77]

I was told, by a very reliable source, that the Salz thing will never, ever happen. EVER.

 

Make of that cryptic message what you will...

 

what salz thing though? there has never been anything concrete to say that salz was ever going to be anything at our club anyway.

 

a few people posted on here that he was a successful something or other and he is a saints fan and he has been speaking to crouch. from there on the rumour mill went into hyperdrive on the guy.

[Red_No_7]

Well it is, whether some of you like it or not.

 

SFC is facing years of painful decline to non-league or non-existence status with the current management and mentality.

 

We need Barclays to force administration now, flog the club, clear the debts, take the points deduction on the chin in what is already a lost (and highly likely relegation) season, and start with a clean slate next year and rebuild the club and the trust and faith of the fan-base without the emotional baggage of Lowe and Wilde.

 

There is NO other way. Anything else is a death by a thousand cuts.

 

what a load of boll**ks.

 

if 26000 turned up every week, there would be no need for administration, and so what if it cleared the debts.

 

the club is basically in administration now, there are so many cuts taken place that administrators will not only carry on what the current board are doing anyway.

 

you are a bell end of the highest.

 

your agenda is simple; lowe out, f*** the club.

 

total t*at.:mad:

[saint1977]

what a load of boll**ks.

 

if 26000 turned up every week, there would be no need for administration, and so what if it cleared the debts.

 

the club is basically in administration now, there are so many cuts taken place that administrators will not only carry on what the current board are doing anyway.

 

you are a bell end of the highest.

 

your agenda is simple; lowe out, f*** the club.

 

total t*at.:mad:

 

I don't agree with what Alpine is saying and administration is not a fix of any sort, 99% of us agree on that. However, it is also highly simplistic to say that we wouldn't be on the verge of it with 26k gates. Rupert said himself that the Man U revenue is a drop in the ocean so gate reciepts aren't as big an issue as the club's overheads. The stadium is one issue but the academy is very costly to run and costs £ms a year which it is hard to sustain without leaking a lot of money unless you have external investment.

[Gordon Mockles]

The thing about administration that scares me to death is the thought of Lowe buying the club out of administration for a pittance.

 

Going into administration WILL NOT guarantee that we see the back of Lowe - far from it. Remember LS's post last night about Lowe being up to something with Dennis Roach (allegedly)?

 

This frightens me.

 

Really? This Dennis Roach?! http://www.4thegame.com/club/manchester-city-fc/news/82625/Agent+Roach+charged+by+FA.html The disgraced agent!

 

I sincerely hope that is just a rumour. Where do they find all these shady f*ckers?! Lowe, Wiseman, Askham, Hone, Dulieu, Richards, Wilde (more coward, although part snake)...Roach?! Is it part of the SFC recruiting process - must be a self-serving, money hungry, 2-faced, treacherous f*ckwit!!

 

Where do they find such people?

 

Do they all drink down the same local?!

 

[Red_No_7]

I don't agree with what Alpine is saying and administration is not a fix of any sort, 99% of us agree on that. However, it is also highly simplistic to say that we wouldn't be on the verge of it with 26k gates. Rupert said himself that the Man U revenue is a drop in the ocean so gate reciepts aren't as big an issue as the club's overheads. The stadium is one issue but the academy is very costly to run and costs £ms a year which it is hard to sustain without leaking a lot of money unless you have external investment.

 

1 game is a drop in the ocean(particularly as its shared gate receipts)

 

10 games would show the banks and increase in turnover, would it not?

[saintjay77]

I don't agree with what Alpine is saying and administration is not a fix of any sort, 99% of us agree on that. However, it is also highly simplistic to say that we wouldn't be on the verge of it with 26k gates. Rupert said himself that the Man U revenue is a drop in the ocean so gate reciepts aren't as big an issue as the club's overheads. The stadium is one issue but the academy is very costly to run and costs £ms a year which it is hard to sustain without leaking a lot of money unless you have external investment.

 

As far as the money goes I think the biggest problem is the gates are not covering our outgoings. Its been touted that 18k at every home game would cover our outgoings so 26k each week would surly put us in a viable position to compete at this level and maybe even beyond.

 

Our turn over last season was higher and the gates were not too different to what they are now so our debt has just got bigger.

[OldNick]

thanks for the reply Ump, I dont know how to split thep osts up like you do and so I will list 1 line replies. Is a former chairman not resigning after relegation albeit 30 odd years ago out of context.Surely that is how things were done 'when we were a friendly club' and so why change.

I accept you ask the same of LC regarding questions.

I hope your nephew can get our next lot of youth players into a better shape and ready to play first team football.

[Matt SFC]

lolz everyone cheer up and spend a bit of time with the much neglected family at this time of year. we'll win the next game against plymouth is it, and it'll be all smiles on here. we'll obviously lose to reading and everyone will claim their christmas has been ruined. then we'll lose to someone sit, win another game against good opposition. all in all a cycle of fun COYS

[St Paul]

Had Lowe been an unknown who took over the Club for this season, I suggest that the whole ground would be in uproar. 99.9% of people attending games would be calling for his head and would consider his new "total football" idea a complete and utter joke that is going to ruin the Club.

 

How anyone can believe we're back on track, and that him and Wilde are the best thing for the future is beyond me. There is nothing that suggests either one of them can run a club without Premiership money.

They have failed in the past and this season is heading that way.

 

People say there is no alternative without investment, well I thought the same about Crouch/Pearson. There was no alternative without investment, as has been proved since. No investment, Lowe back, and things have got worse.

 

The people who wanted Lowe back have had their wish, will they still think it was for the best when we're at Hartlepools next season?

[NickG]

Had Lowe been an unknown who took over the Club for this season, I suggest that the whole ground would be in uproar. 99.9% of people attending games would be calling for his head and would consider his new "total football" idea a complete and utter joke that is going to ruin the Club.

 

How anyone can believe we're back on track, and that him and Wilde are the best thing for the future is beyond medoes anyone think that?. There is nothing that suggests either one of them can run a club without Premiership money.

They have failed in the past and this season is heading that way.

 

People say there is no alternative without investment, this is more what people are sayingwell I thought the same about Crouch/Pearson. There was no alternative without investment, as has been proved since. No investment, Lowe back, and things have got worse.

 

The people who wanted Lowe backwho? don't remember anyone after his return? have had their wish, will they still think it was for the best when we're at Hartlepools next season?

 

What people such as Alpine don't understand is that just because you do not want the board to continue to swap awound every few weeks and don't want administration doesn't mean you love Lowe. It wouldn't take much for someone to get the fans united behind them in an effort to overthrow lowe -but there is no-one mounting that campaign, so its not lowe luvvies just people who would rather a club, not in administration even if it is with Lowe still at the helm.

People get uptight when asked who is the alternative, but who is?

A respected businessman (Salz?) with backing? yes please.

the various tyrekickers we have seen over the last couple of year? think would stick with Lowe.

Advertise for a new Chairman -possibly -if we can fund a decent non-shareholder, but who is going to select them -the shareholders led by Lowe.

[OldNick]

Had Lowe been an unknown who took over the Club for this season, I suggest that the whole ground would be in uproar. 99.9% of people attending games would be calling for his head and would consider his new "total football" idea a complete and utter joke that is going to ruin the Club.

 

How anyone can believe we're back on track, and that him and Wilde are the best thing for the future is beyond me. There is nothing that suggests either one of them can run a club without Premiership money.

They have failed in the past and this season is heading that way.

 

People say there is no alternative without investment, well I thought the same about Crouch/Pearson. There was no alternative without investment, as has been proved since. No investment, Lowe back, and things have got worse.

 

The people who wanted Lowe back have had their wish, will they still think it was for the best when we're at Hartlepools next season?

NP had the advantage of not only some of the highly paid players but also the loaning of some more.

I dont know the financial situation at SMS but the figures produced recently show we are in the mire. How you get quality of player and low cost I really dont know.What we need need I believe is a better qualified manager to instil the faith and confidence back intothose players. Has Jan got the qualities to egt them playing again? I dont believe so.

[saintjay77]

Had Lowe been an unknown who took over the Club for this season, I suggest that the whole ground would be in uproar. 99.9% of people attending games would be calling for his head and would consider his new "total football" idea a complete and utter joke that is going to ruin the Club.

 

How anyone can believe we're back on track, and that him and Wilde are the best thing for the future is beyond me. There is nothing that suggests either one of them can run a club without Premiership money.

They have failed in the past and this season is heading that way.

 

People say there is no alternative without investment, well I thought the same about Crouch/Pearson. There was no alternative without investment, as has been proved since. No investment, Lowe back, and things have got worse.

 

The people who wanted Lowe back have had their wish, will they still think it was for the best when we're at Hartlepools next season?

 

Had Lowe (or anyone) come here for this season suggesting that we need to rebuild and we are going to do it with this dutch style using the kids they would also have said (as lowe has said himself) its not going to be an overnight success. it will take time and allot of hard work. If we were going to buy into this then we would all know its not going to make great things happen in half a season so I dont think we would have been calling for anyones heads.

 

The only reason heads are being called for IMO is because it is Lowe and he has been around far too long to have any sensible ideas or any success.

 

If it wasnt Lowe and we were in exactly the same position now I think there would be plenty of people questioning the credentials of JP right now but not so many questioning the direction we are trying to point.

 

Dont remember seeing anyone think that we are back on track just because we have Lowe and Wilde here, some beleived that they would make the necissary decissions to get the costs back within budget which is something many believe crouch should have done 12 months ago. rumour has it that crouch was going to do the same things that lowe has done this season anyway with the only difference being the managment team. flip a coin on knowing if that would have worked better or worse than what we have though.

 

The only fast track way forward will be investment that buys out the rot that is in our club. IMO that will only last while the team are doing well though and if/when they hit a bad patch the usual mob of us lot will be throwing hissy fits and blaming luvvies and what ev er the other ones are all over again.