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ALWAYS_SFC

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And this is how it starts...

 

PR people start to question his confidence and ability.

 

The leak a story to SKY with rehashed quotations taken out of context which make him look a fool.

 

Fans turn on the coach, conveniently overlooking that he is a simple symptom of the club's position.

 

Then the chairman acts (Wilde, not Lowe) to say they were bowing to results and fan pressure.

 

And they change coach.

 

And they're off the hook for another six months.

 

And we're no better off, probably worse...

 

Come on! Tell us how could we be worse off?...

I cannot believe we could turn out a more pitiful performance than yesterday

if we tried.

 

The simple truth is if we dont`t change manager/style very soon we will be worse off and be in league one...

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Legod Third Coming

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Come on! Tell us how could we be worse off?...I cannot believe we could turn out a more pitiful performance that yesterday

if we tried.

 

The simple truth is if we dont`t change manager/style very soon we will be worse off and be in league one...

 

With Dave Hockaday as manager with the same players?

With Mark Wotte as manager with the same players?

 

Old son, if you told me Jan would be replaced by Davies, Boothroyd, Curbs, Dowie - feck me even Georgie Graham - then we would be as one.

 

But we are arresting a street dealer and letting the opium grower laugh at us! And the two men above are your most likely new dealers... you have been warned...

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It ain't going to be a happy Chrsitmas for Jan! Or us.

 

Reading his post match reaction, clueless. 'We played the last half hour with two up front but i didn't see any difference'

 

THAT'S BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY STRIKERS ON THE PITCH YOU IDIOT!!!!!

 

 

In a rare post in his defence, that's because we don't have any strikers at the club!!!!!

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With Dave Hockaday as manager with the same players?

With Mark Wotte as manager with the same players?

 

Old son, if you told me Jan would be replaced by Davies, Boothroyd, Curbs, Dowie - feck me even Georgie Graham - then we would be as one.

 

But we are arresting a street dealer and letting the opium grower laugh at us! And the two men above are your most likely new dealers... you have been warned...

 

The whole dutch experiment has to be binned now, Hockaday sent back to where he should be and appoint a new manager who knows what he`s doing.

 

Only the really stupid would sack one and replace with same!!!

 

New man,new ideas...please

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In a rare post in his defence, that's because we don't have any strikers at the club!!!!!

 

I know, i know. I just can't help it, i need to blame someone. I blame Lowe even more, but am fed up about ranting at him.

 

Jan COULD have put his foot down and said 'No, actually, i'm keeping one of Saga/John/Rasiak'

 

And not bought Spiderman.

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I know, i know. I just can't help it, i need to blame someone. I blame Lowe even more, but am fed up about ranting at him.

 

Jan COULD have put his foot down and said 'No, actually, i'm keeping one of Saga/John/Rasiak'

 

And not bought Spiderman.

 

I wish he had mate, but really I doubt he had any say whatsoever!

 

I really wonder whether he had even heard about these players before we signed them.

 

If you think about it, why would a bloke managing in Dutch League Two know about Lee Holmes or Spiderman, or Cork??

 

He wouldn't.

 

And notice we have not bought a single Dutch player.

 

What does that tell you.

 

Jan ain't making the signings, that's what!!

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I wish he had mate, but really I doubt he had any say whatsoever!

 

I really wonder whether he had even heard about these players before we signed them.

 

If you think about it, why would a bloke managing in Dutch League Two know about Lee Holmes or Spiderman, or Cork??

 

He wouldn't.

 

And notice we have not bought a single Dutch player.

 

What does that tell you.

 

Jan ain't making the signings, that's what!!

 

 

Morgan is a result of direct input from Georges Prost.

Jan certainly isn't signing the players, I don't doubt that's a combination of Hockaday and Lowe, not necessarily in that order.

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Anyone heard the rumour about Steve Cotterill?

 

 

 

Steve Cotterill would be a million times better than Portalowe, and Steve Cotterill isn't really that good.

 

Cotterill is a "motivating", "tracksuit", "players manager" (ie Lowe's kind of man) who has delivered a few seasons of CCC level mediocrity (ie our dream scenario at this stage).

 

With Cotterill in charge, we have a slim chance of staying up.

 

With Portalowe in charge we have zero zero zero chance of finishing anywhere other than stone, cold bottom.

 

You're in luck Jan. Book your flight now and you'll be landing at Schiphol before Christmas Eve.

 

Out, out, out.

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It's a complete mess of a situation, if Poortvleit is not choosing the players then is it right he gets sacked for a situation that is not totally his fault? Maybe he is do as well as anyone can in his situation.

 

We are wasting serious money on wages for Peckhart, Gasmi, Pulis, Smith, Wotton, Robertson etc yet we still don't have any proper fullbacks - is this Poortvleit's fault?

 

Without a talented manager making the footballing descisions we are ****ed regardless IMO. When money is tight as good manager is vital, at the moment we are effectively managerless.

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It's a complete mess of a situation, if Poortvleit is not choosing the players then is it right he gets sacked for a situation that is not totally his fault? Maybe he is do as well as anyone can in his situation.

 

We are wasting serious money on wages for Peckhart, Gasmi, Pulis, Smith, Wotton, Robertson etc yet we still don't have any proper fullbacks - is this Poortvleit's fault?

 

Without a talented manager making the footballing descisions we are ****ed regardless IMO. When money is tight as good manager is vital, at the moment we are effectively managerless.

 

 

You've hit the nail. Rupert hates managers. He hates the whole idea of a Fergie running a club. Hates it.

 

And yet it seems to work so well for so many clubs...

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Right before anyone starts to criticise me I have been a supporter for some 30+ years so unless you have either a valid point to make or a similar record don't bother.

 

I find the situation after today’s match brings a smile to my face.

 

I'll tell you why - saints are fast becoming a team that I don't either recognise nor feel an association with, I hasten to add of course I wouldn't dream of supporting any one else, except that is my sons local kids teams.

 

No, like a number of my friends, some of whom have been season ticket holders for 20+ years, saints are starting to feel like a team that don't really truly deep down care.

 

I have supported then through thick and thin and promotion or demotion won't make a difference, it's the fact that as a business they aren't prepared to invest in the future but instead rely on working on the cheap, but yet expect me and thousands of others like me to invest our hard earned cash in the hope of a days decent entertainment and a flicker of progress.

 

I’ve seen some really attractive pass and move during these past few months but ultimately it's all about winning and in the main we can't - simple!

 

So whilst inside I’m truly gutted that we are as poor as we are, I can't help but cast a wry smile when I see us sink that little bit further down the table as I hope that at some point Lowe or others will either do the honourable thing and resign or feel forced to actually go for a "proper" manager and allow him to build a team.

 

Added to this sense of masochism is the sense of exploitation in respect of the Man U game, which I won't be attending, and that fact that the club sees " us " the fans as cash cows to be drained when the chance arises.

 

I realise that for some of us who have pride in being from Soton we may take our football club too seriously but I don't apologise for that, as we have to have something to hold onto, but sadly Saints are fast becoming just a "football team" rather than representative of the city and the area.

 

A time will come I’m sure where Saints will be something to be proud of, whether that be in the CC or Div 1 who cares, as long as those 11 who tread the turf want to be representing the club and not looking to merely be drawing a wage or hoping that a 'bigger club' coming looking and that the management take seriously their responsibility of leading an historic and proud club which can proudly be called Southampton FC.

 

So on my behalf and those few that I attend alongside, be warned Saints - unless you are prepared to start investing in a real manager then we will stop investing our money in you and I know which will suffer first!!

 

 

 

Wot he said!!

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Steve Cotterill would be a million times better than Portalowe, and Steve Cotterill isn't really that good.

 

Cotterill is a "motivating", "tracksuit", "players manager" (ie Lowe's kind of man) who has delivered a few seasons of CCC level mediocrity (ie our dream scenario at this stage).

 

With Cotterill in charge, we have a slim chance of staying up.

 

With Portalowe in charge we have zero zero zero chance of finishing anywhere other than stone, cold bottom.

 

You're in luck Jan. Book your flight now and you'll be landing at Schiphol before Christmas Eve.

 

Out, out, out.

 

 

as for coterill...he even admits he spends alot of time at sms to keep "his eye in" and has nothing but praise for what we are trying to do..

 

could do alot worse I guess and he is out of work and would be relatively cheap..

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He's got to go. With some of his c*cky players:

 

David "im on fire" McGoldrick

Andrew "im ready for the premier league" Surman

Lloyd "one of those days" James

 

This club is in such a mess that I cant actually put my head around how bad we are.

 

Burley was 'baffled'. Jan was 'needing confidence'. What next?

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Held off posting until now because I didn't want to just post a knee jerk reaction.

 

Saturday's performance was the worst I have see this season. At least in previous matches the players have looked like they were trying, had a gameplan and had created chances. On Saturday there was no discipline, no commitment, no determination, little skill, no understanding and no shape.

 

I heard callers on the Third Half moaning about the formation, but for me the problems run far deeper than whether we are playing 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1. the players had no confidence and didn't seem to know how to take control of the game. I think that the rubbish we saw on Saturday was caused by a collective psychological problem resulting in any mental strength evaporating.

 

I am deeply concerned that these players can't cope with the pressure that they are under. The manager can only do so much in that situation because if he's got a bunch of bottlers on his hands then no amount of coaching is going to prepare them for stepping out in front of a big crowd on a Saturday. The problem is that JP has got to be the one to turn this around. he has to be able to inspire confidence in them. If he can't do that then he's of no use to the club whatsoever.

 

Judging by his reaction to the match it sounds like he doubts his or the players ability to turn this around and if that's the case I would say relieve him of his duties ASAP. There are loads of managers who would love to be at Saints so I can't see a problem replacing him and if we can get someone else in before January they will have the cup game to focus on as a means of inspiring the team.

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Saturdays match was a prime example of a team that has a partial game plan without the final technical ability "AS A TEAM" to do the simple and key critical thing in football "score a goal".

 

The total football ethic that Lowe and JP have championed could work if we had a coach that actually understood it.....sadly we dont.

 

The players are now confident playing interchanged tight passing and technically they are probably the best in the division at it , but if you play one up front you must play two wide players behind him to pull the center backs apart and give him space. If you dont he will constantly be outnumbered 2 to 1 and your attacks and you midfielders will have nothing to pass to outside the box . Its so basic and to watch JP scratching his head is infuriating .

 

To have stood a chance on saturday at the very least we need BWP on one wing and Holmes on the other pulling the CBs apart and making space, you then need the midfield breaking into the box behind the striker.

 

ITS NOT DIFFICULT FFS

 

Why cant JP see it ? because he is a third division manager with no lateral thinking in his brain , total football ??my arse.

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I can't quite believe nothing's happened yet. Bit like how I felt when we lingered for AGES before getting rid of Wigggly worm. Still, I wouldn't put it past Lowe to be holding off sacking Jan to save money through not giving the new guy long enough to consider getting in anyone to replace the inevitable January sales.

Cotterill would be okay. At least he'd be able to realise that we need more than twinkly toed little boys to stay up in this division.

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Held off posting until now because I didn't want to just post a knee jerk reaction.

 

Saturday's performance was the worst I have see this season. At least in previous matches the players have looked like they were trying, had a gameplan and had created chances. On Saturday there was no discipline, no commitment, no determination, little skill, no understanding and no shape.

 

I heard callers on the Third Half moaning about the formation, but for me the problems run far deeper than whether we are playing 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1. the players had no confidence and didn't seem to know how to take control of the game. I think that the rubbish we saw on Saturday was caused by a collective psychological problem resulting in any mental strength evaporating.

 

I am deeply concerned that these players can't cope with the pressure that they are under. The manager can only do so much in that situation because if he's got a bunch of bottlers on his hands then no amount of coaching is going to prepare them for stepping out in front of a big crowd on a Saturday. The problem is that JP has got to be the one to turn this around. he has to be able to inspire confidence in them. If he can't do that then he's of no use to the club whatsoever.

 

Judging by his reaction to the match it sounds like he doubts his or the players ability to turn this around and if that's the case I would say relieve him of his duties ASAP. There are loads of managers who would love to be at Saints so I can't see a problem replacing him and if we can get someone else in before January they will have the cup game to focus on as a means of inspiring the team.

 

Couldnt agree more. Top post.

 

If they cant handle the pressure now what on earth will they be like when we need to win a game to avoid relegation as at the end of last season ?

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