Batman Posted 27 May, 2014 Share Posted 27 May, 2014 Ambition becomes a problem when those who give empty promises get to the point where they need to fully back-up their promises and are found wanting. If NC went round convincing MP and the players that we were going for the CL, enticing them to the club that way, then there is only one possible outcome when we get to this point and realise it's probably not going to be likely; those players and manager get in a stop and look for options elsewhere. Good short-term scheme for success, not so good long-term. how do you know what promises were made? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 27 May, 2014 Share Posted 27 May, 2014 Having a plan and a vision, selling that to the players, keeping many together, promising funds from any sales to improve the team, keeping the players informed about what is going on, finding a replacement for players and managers quickly and getting a good standard of manager in, getting in some people who have a football background and are intelligent. That's just a couple of things he could do. Like Cortese used to you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 May, 2014 Share Posted 27 May, 2014 Ambition becomes a problem when those who give empty promises get to the point where they need to fully back-up their promises and are found wanting. If NC went round convincing MP and the players that we were going for the CL, enticing them to the club that way, then there is only one possible outcome when we get to this point and realise it's probably not going to be likely; those players and manager get in a stop and look for options elsewhere. Good short-term scheme for success, not so good long-term. Then quit before you have to make good on your promises, then do an interview 5 months later saying how different it would have been had you stayed, perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 27 May, 2014 Share Posted 27 May, 2014 Ambition becomes a problem when those who give empty promises get to the point where they need to fully back-up their promises and are found wanting. If NC went round convincing MP and the players that we were going for the CL, enticing them to the club that way, then there is only one possible outcome when we get to this point and realise it's probably not going to be likely; those players and manager get in a stop and look for options elsewhere. Good short-term scheme for success, not so good long-term. Morgan spelled out what he hoped to see - keep the squad together as much as possible, bring in two or three players to improve the team. And repeat. Suggests the players were pretty realistic about what they expected - whether that was the 'promise' made to them is another matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 27 May, 2014 Share Posted 27 May, 2014 Oh f*ck off you whinging c*nts 100% This. Let's just move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
so22saint Posted 27 May, 2014 Share Posted 27 May, 2014 Oh f*ck off you whinging c*nts this. mugs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 27 May, 2014 Share Posted 27 May, 2014 So this he was offered a big contract, given assurances the club wouldn't sell players and invest in bringing more in to push on rumour has become fact now has it? No. Of course not, this is the problem. From unofficial channels it seems he was offered a new deal but the club have not been open and transparent at all. Thats what ****s me off. Listen, I understand there is some things you can NOT say like "we promised poch 40 mill for transfers etc etc" but they should have provided a basic summary of events to follow through on their promise to keep the fans informed. For example: Beginning - Why we decided to put of contract negs until end of season. Middle - We made poch a very generous offer to extend his contract and assurances that no players would be sold without his final consent. Funds would be available to strengthen the squad with or without significant player sales. Any funds received from player sales would be available to the manager. End - Tottenham approached the club and Poch declined our offer and expressed a desire to join THFC. Despite our best efforts to convince him his future lies with saints, poch ultimately decided to resign forcing our hand to negotiate his release with THFC The future - we only want people at the club who want to be at saints and we will offer our full support to our future manager as we would have with Poch. We look forward to announcing a top class manager to saintsfc in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 27 May, 2014 Share Posted 27 May, 2014 Having a plan and a vision, selling that to the players, keeping many together, promising funds from any sales to improve the team, keeping the players informed about what is going on, finding a replacement for players and managers quickly and getting a good standard of manager in, getting in some people who have a football background and are intelligent. That's just a couple of things he could do. Well according to the Guardian he is “The club has been on a constant path of growth since the arrival of Markus Liebherr in 2009,” said the Southampton chairman, Ralph Krueger. “This growth took place before Mauricio came, it continued strongly under his leadership, and it will continue into the next season. The board’s job is to find opportunity in this challenge and to continue to move the club forward. We have begun the search for a new high-calibre manager. We will be looking for a manager that shares our values, our principles and our philosophy. A manager who can continue to grow the first-team and build on our strong foundation.” Southampton’s short-list will include the former Basel coach, Murat Yakin, who has impressed in winning the Swiss title in each of his two seasons as manager. He departed by mutual consent earlier this month having taken the team to the Europa League semi-finals in 2013 and the quarter-finals this year. Michael Laudrup and Oscar García, both without a club after leaving Swansea and Brighton, are also under consideration, though Derby County’s Steve McClaren is apparently not in contention for the role Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 27 May, 2014 Share Posted 27 May, 2014 Derby County’s Steve McClaren is apparently not in contention for the role Good news at last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 27 May, 2014 Share Posted 27 May, 2014 I am very interested in who we choose for the next manager. Going to be an interesting summer for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 27 May, 2014 Share Posted 27 May, 2014 There's not much the Board could have done imho. Poch went because he wanted to, no other reason needs to be thought about. Nothing to do with SFC lack of ambition, money, faith, status, birthday cakes, etc Purely because he wanted to go to a bigger club, for more money and increase his profile and bank account. For Poch, it's like if you're in the pub and a bird with bigger tits and a nicer @rse than your current bird cracks on to you offering you a nosh if you leave your missus. You're gonna go with it. In this instance i'd equate the bigger tits to transfer money, nicer @rse to managerial profile and nosh to European Football (your current missus thinks nosh is filthy, btw, especially in Sunderland). The Board are like your parents, telling you that you shouldn't ditch the nice honest bird to go off with the slag, but you won't listen to them because all you can see is tits and @rse. Us fans are feeling like the jilted bird and no amount of being told that this new bird is a slag and will **** off with someone else in a few weeks will matter. Some tart tugged your todger and you couldn't resist. But the jilted bird can't blame the parents for the split - there's nothing they can do when the head gets turned. The only thing you can do is go off and nick another persons partner and f++k someone else off! Had a few tonight, so apologies if this sounds like bollix!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 27 May, 2014 Share Posted 27 May, 2014 I am very interested in who we choose for the next manager. Going to be an interesting summer for sure. We have a fantastic squad a brilliant academy, superb facilities, world class fans and an owner with cash. We are a VERY very attractive option for managers and we will literally be inundated with offers. Im excited Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 May, 2014 Share Posted 27 May, 2014 Well according to the Guardian he is “The club has been on a constant path of growth since the arrival of Markus Liebherr in 2009,” said the Southampton chairman, Ralph Krueger. “This growth took place before Mauricio came, it continued strongly under his leadership, and it will continue into the next season. The board’s job is to find opportunity in this challenge and to continue to move the club forward. We have begun the search for a new high-calibre manager. We will be looking for a manager that shares our values, our principles and our philosophy. A manager who can continue to grow the first-team and build on our strong foundation.” Southampton’s short-list will include the former Basel coach, Murat Yakin, who has impressed in winning the Swiss title in each of his two seasons as manager. He departed by mutual consent earlier this month having taken the team to the Europa League semi-finals in 2013 and the quarter-finals this year. Michael Laudrup and Oscar García, both without a club after leaving Swansea and Brighton, are also under consideration, though Derby County’s Steve McClaren is apparently not in contention for the role If we get yakin in I will be reassured. Good god not Steve or garcia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 27 May, 2014 Share Posted 27 May, 2014 There's not much the Board could have done imho. Poch went because he wanted to, no other reason needs to be thought about. Nothing to do with SFC lack of ambition, money, faith, status, birthday cakes, etc Purely because he wanted to go to a bigger club, for more money and increase his profile and bank account. For Poch, it's like if you're in the pub and a bird with bigger tits and a nicer @rse than your current bird cracks on to you offering you a nosh if you leave your missus. You're gonna go with it. In this instance i'd equate the bigger tits to transfer money, nicer @rse to managerial profile and nosh to European Football (your current missus thinks nosh is filthy, btw, especially in Sunderland). The Board are like your parents, telling you that you shouldn't ditch the nice honest bird to go off with the slag, but you won't listen to them because all you can see is tits and @rse. Us fans are feeling like the jilted bird and no amount of being told that this new bird is a slag and will **** off with someone else in a few weeks will matter. Some tart tugged your todger and you couldn't resist. But the jilted bird can't blame the parents for the split - there's nothing they can do when the head gets turned. The only thing you can do is go off and nick another persons partner and f++k someone else off! Had a few tonight, so apologies if this sounds like bollix!! Poetry Special K, made total sense after a challenging day and cheered me right up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 27 May, 2014 Share Posted 27 May, 2014 Oh yeah, And assurances we would never ever sell anyone of course. you have the avatar have you the 'go Southampton Soccer Saints ' tee shirt to go with it? I understand your dislike of NC much like those who disliked RL but forget how in desperation many jumped into Wildes arms. I wonder if you will still use the same avatar this time next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 27 May, 2014 Share Posted 27 May, 2014 how do you know what promises were made? I don't know what promises are made, that wasn't the point of my post clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 27 May, 2014 Share Posted 27 May, 2014 If we get yakin in I will be reassured. Hopefully a statement all will like, from players to fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedmaul Posted 27 May, 2014 Share Posted 27 May, 2014 We have a fantastic squad a brilliant academy, superb facilities, world class fans and an owner with cash. We are a VERY very attractive option for managers and we will literally be inundated with offers. Im excited So do you think we'll finish higher than 8th next season Glasgow without MoPo? Acoording to you 8th was minimum with "our" squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 27 May, 2014 Share Posted 27 May, 2014 So do you think we'll finish higher than 8th next season Glasgow without MoPo? Acoording to you 8th was minimum with "our" squad. Much like when the old division One was changed and rebranded Premier League any statements made by GS will now be expunged and a new set will be reinvented Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Lej Posted 27 May, 2014 Share Posted 27 May, 2014 Discuss. Early worrying times, he may not have been able to prevent Poch leaving, but really hoping he'll turn it round and at least wade through the cheesy soundbites to pull out a decent proven manager. His awards speech was in the Alan Partridge league, all he needed was to pierce his foot on a spike and hand out an award for "Best Christ". However he is attracting huge amounts of stick on here as per title to which he probably hasn't helped himself, almost trying TOO hard it seems to deliver re-assuring statements which ultimately have the opposite effect. Hopefully is just bedding his way in, but the concern remains that with no one pulling the club in the right direction, we are in danger of becoming a weak, easily manipulated club again just asking bigger the clubs which hole they'd prefer to shaft us in first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedmaul Posted 27 May, 2014 Share Posted 27 May, 2014 I do think there's a lot of emotive language flying around. And people reacting as if Pottechino has personally been disloyal or let them down. He's a professional football coach. The guy he trusted and sold him the job disappeared in Jan. Another, company with more resources offered him a bumper 5 year contract. What would you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 27 May, 2014 Share Posted 27 May, 2014 I do think there's a lot of emotive language flying around. And people reacting as if Pottechino has personally been disloyal or let them down. He's a professional football coach. The guy he trusted and sold him the job disappeared in Jan. Another, company with more resources offered him a bumper 5 year contract. What would you do? No that can't be right poch went of his own free will? I thought Kruger drove him down to WHL personally, hand him over to Levy, forced poch to sign the spurs contract while asking Levy if he wanted any of players on the cheap.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 May, 2014 Share Posted 27 May, 2014 (edited) Like Cortese used to you mean? Never had a problem with Cortese with regards to the football side of things. Some are talking as if there was a choice anyway, Cortese walked away so there was no option of him staying. Edited 27 May, 2014 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedmaul Posted 28 May, 2014 Share Posted 28 May, 2014 That doesn't work. 8th was a fair opinion of the minimum when you look at the squads below us and the ease we finished above them. How can we talk about finishing higher when we won't have the same squad that was the basis of that original point? So when the season kicked off you expected 8th ... As a minimum position to finish. Glasgow Saint had a weird agenda against Pottechino, he's turned up again now and is "excited". I was just asking if his minimum of 8th place might be improved upon next season? With the "exciting new direction we're heading in. I've no idea about our squad next season and neither do you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIGANSAINT Posted 28 May, 2014 Share Posted 28 May, 2014 this. mugs Agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 28 May, 2014 Share Posted 28 May, 2014 The board haven't done anything wrong. Poch's agent has been hawking him around for months. Funny how the Poch to Monaco , PSG or whoever suddenly stopped once it became obvious that Sherwood was toast. This has been a done deal for weeks imo. Now the judgement of the board will be made. I hope they've got a plan B, please dont tell me they haven't discussed options, sounded people out and worked out a plan. Because if they haven't, then that is a legitimate gripe people can have. Any appearence of flondering around will be worrying. Reed in particular, should have a short list and have made "unofficial" contact with the candidates or their people . "If Poch goes, would the job interest you", he should have been asking one or two. Lets hope they've now gone back to the ones that tipped him the nod and start some serious talks. If they're sat around tomorrow starting from scratch it will be pretty clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waggy Posted 28 May, 2014 Share Posted 28 May, 2014 I just wish for one statement from Krueger without all the frikkin talk about the clubs history. Your job is to create NEW history Mr Krueger! I seem to recall a certain Mr Cortese getting stick for ignoring our history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 28 May, 2014 Share Posted 28 May, 2014 There's not much the Board could have done imho. Poch went because he wanted to, no other reason needs to be thought about. Nothing to do with SFC lack of ambition, money, faith, status, birthday cakes, etc Purely because he wanted to go to a bigger club, for more money and increase his profile and bank account. For Poch, it's like if you're in the pub and a bird with bigger tits and a nicer @rse than your current bird cracks on to you offering you a nosh if you leave your missus. You're gonna go with it. In this instance i'd equate the bigger tits to transfer money, nicer @rse to managerial profile and nosh to European Football (your current missus thinks nosh is filthy, btw, especially in Sunderland). The Board are like your parents, telling you that you shouldn't ditch the nice honest bird to go off with the slag, but you won't listen to them because all you can see is tits and @rse. Us fans are feeling like the jilted bird and no amount of being told that this new bird is a slag and will **** off with someone else in a few weeks will matter. Some tart tugged your todger and you couldn't resist. But the jilted bird can't blame the parents for the split - there's nothing they can do when the head gets turned. The only thing you can do is go off and nick another persons partner and f++k someone else off! Had a few tonight, so apologies if this sounds like bollix!! Post of the day, lmfao :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 28 May, 2014 Share Posted 28 May, 2014 So when the season kicked off you expected 8th ... As a minimum position to finish. Glasgow Saint had a weird agenda against Pottechino, he's turned up again now and is "excited". I was just asking if his minimum of 8th place might be improved upon next season? With the "exciting new direction we're heading in. I've no idea about our squad next season and neither do you. Most people expected 8th last season and that's what we got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 28 May, 2014 Share Posted 28 May, 2014 Writing this whilst sat on the throne and not one fart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 28 May, 2014 Share Posted 28 May, 2014 (edited) Most people expected 8th last season and that's what we got. No, not really. Most said they would be very happy if we finished 8th, not that they expected it. Completely different. Never mind, it was a strong 8th, not a part-of-the-rest-of-the-pack 8th Take the following thread, albeit was pre-Osvaldo http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?46151-The-Guardian-predict-14th-place-finish-for-Saints&highlight=Prediction+season+league#.U4WFne29LCQ Edited 28 May, 2014 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 28 May, 2014 Share Posted 28 May, 2014 I seem to recall a certain Mr Cortese getting stick for ignoring our history. Do you not agree though that constant references to our history come across as a little disingenious given our relative lack of it though? About the only think that is annoying me about RK. By all means acknowledge our past but don't make out we are Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 28 May, 2014 Share Posted 28 May, 2014 For all those saying "the board couldnt do anything - he wanted to go": can you explain Cork having no new contract offer, and the players complaining about lack of communication ? Why is it so hard for you to consider that we have a weak ineffectual, clueless board ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 28 May, 2014 Share Posted 28 May, 2014 No, not really. Most said they would be very happy if we finished 8th, not that they expected it. Completely different. Never mind, it was a strong 8th, not a part-of-the-rest-of-the-pack 8th Take the following thread, albeit was pre-Osvaldo http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?46151-The-Guardian-predict-14th-place-finish-for-Saints&highlight=Prediction+season+league#.U4WFne29LCQ Interesting read, any reason why you didn't link this thread as well? http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?45007-Predict-Next-Season-s-Premier-League&p=1927092&highlight=season+league+prediction#post1927092 or http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?45872-Expectations-for-new-season/page2&highlight=season+league+prediction#.U4WOKMaXsdE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 28 May, 2014 Share Posted 28 May, 2014 For all those saying "the board couldnt do anything - he wanted to go": can you explain Cork having no new contract offer, and the players complaining about lack of communication ? Why is it so hard for you to consider that we have a weak ineffectual, clueless board ? They'd look pretty stupid if the new guy came in and didn't fancy cork as a player and they'd given him a 3 year deal a week earlier. Maybe Poch didn't want cork and was looking to move him on. Who knows, certainly not you. Why is it so hard for you to consider that these people know what they're doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 28 May, 2014 Share Posted 28 May, 2014 Thought it was a cracking statement. Makes me positive for the future because we are ambitious and have a good vision. Pochettino obviously resigned because he can't handle our ambition. This! This! This! Southampton will be around long after MP, Lallana, Shaw and Co. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 28 May, 2014 Share Posted 28 May, 2014 As I said earlier, I don't think there is much they could do with regards MoPo leaving (certainly harder to keep a want away manager than it is a want away player), so I'm not going to give them stick about it. BUT, what will be interesting and what they will be held to account for is who they get in to replace him. That's their big test, so I'll leave my judgement until I see how that pans out. I actually woke up quite excited about who we will get in (definitely in a The King is dead mode), but tinged with a dash of worry about who else might walk!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 28 May, 2014 Share Posted 28 May, 2014 As I said earlier, I don't think there is much they could with regards MoPo leaving (certainly harder than trying to keep a want away player), so I'm not going to give them stick about it. BUT, what will be interesting and what they will be held to account for is who they get in to replace him. That's their big test, so I'll leave my judgement until I see how that pans out. I actually woke up quite excited about who we will get in (definitely in a The King is dead mode), but tinged with a dash of worry about who else might walk!! iam now cool about MP leaving and also looking forward to a new manager, only worry is who that might be. The board now have to show some steel and keep the rest of the squad together, LS and AL are now damaged goods for us as they are ready to leave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 28 May, 2014 Share Posted 28 May, 2014 They'd look pretty stupid if the new guy came in and didn't fancy cork as a player and they'd given him a 3 year deal a week earlier. Maybe Poch didn't want cork and was looking to move him on. Who knows, certainly not you. Why is it so hard for you to consider that these people know what they're doing? Because the evidence of my own eyes doesnt support it. Besides, if you now say Cork hasnt had a contract offer because the board werent sure who was going to be manager, then that is even worse; they've known about this for a while (and not been played) and have done nothing, least of which is a short list of replacements so that the transition and uncertainty is as short as possible and our chances of keeping players increased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 28 May, 2014 Share Posted 28 May, 2014 Interesting read, any reason why you didn't link this thread as well? http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?45007-Predict-Next-Season-s-Premier-League&p=1927092&highlight=season+league+prediction#post1927092 or http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?45872-Expectations-for-new-season/page2&highlight=season+league+prediction#.U4WOKMaXsdE Took the latest thread I could find - as i said it was still pre-Osvaldo. The other threads, especially the one from July, don't suggest that many people expected 8th. Rather people thought it would be an excellent achievement. Very different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 28 May, 2014 Share Posted 28 May, 2014 so far the board have a) lost the chairman they say they wanted to keep b) signed a couple of teenagers onto their first and second contracts. c) lost the manager they say they wanted to keep d) said they wanted to be judged on actions not words. looking forward to the rest of their plans coming to fruition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 28 May, 2014 Share Posted 28 May, 2014 Took the latest thread I could find - as i said it was still pre-Osvaldo. The other threads, especially the one from July, don't suggest that many people expected 8th. Rather people thought it would be an excellent achievement. Very different. Ok, if you say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 28 May, 2014 Share Posted 28 May, 2014 so far the board have a) lost the chairman they say they wanted to keep b) signed a couple of teenagers onto their first and second contracts. c) lost the manager they say they wanted to keep d) said they wanted to be judged on actions not words. looking forward to the rest of their plans coming to fruition. a) The "board" were created after the chairman left. So why are you hanging that one on them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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