Turkish Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 Such wisdom. Of course actions speak louder than words but so many don't seem to want to give the board a chance. Losing managers and players has always been an issue for Saints and always will be. Pathetic tantrums saying 'he's a moron' etc. just show people up. I don't have my head in sand but at same time the mob here make me sick. Imagine being in the trenches with such feeble personalities panicking at first sign of everything not being rosy. Dear me. We so have some proper helmets for fans. The reaction on here is laughable 'I'm done with saints' 'all fart and no sh*t' because a manager who has twice before in 18 months talked about quitting finally has. If he doesn't want to be here let him do his year at spurs and get someone here who does want to be here.
doddisalegend Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 Exactly this. They offered him a contract weeks ago, he wanted to leave and did. Other than issuing a statement saying this, which I'm sure the freaks who having been slating the new board from the minute they started would have found fault with, what more could they do? Well according some on here the board just had to offer Mopo Champions league and £200 million player kitty..............
shurlock Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 What are you wittering on about now? Playing the post not the poster? Shove off simpleton. Am partying like its 1999-2004. To be fair, at least, you're willing to update and revise your views in light of new information.
S-Clarke Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 Did you feel the same way about NC and the players banging on about the CL? It was clearly a target, no matter how far fetched it seemed. Obviously the finance stopped it from happening, but the ambition was there - and everyone latched onto it within the club, and as they say....reach for the stars....if you don't quite make it, then it's not too bad a result either. but if you just stay as you are, you will probably start slipping down.
Tom28 Posted 27 May, 2014 Author Posted 27 May, 2014 Such wisdom. Of course actions speak louder than words but so many don't seem to want to give the board a chance. Losing managers and players has always been an issue for Saints and always will be. Pathetic tantrums saying 'he's a moron' etc. just show people up. I don't have my head in sand but at same time the mob here make me sick. Imagine being in the trenches with such feeble personalities panicking at first sign of everything not being rosy. Dear me. Calling him a moron is not a pathetic tantrum. Feel free to watch the awards evening and his speech at that, and then tell me you don't think he's a moron.
hypochondriac Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 What has he actually done wrong how can he stop players and managers bettering themselves especially with agents trying to get to the trough? Having a plan and a vision, selling that to the players, keeping many together, promising funds from any sales to improve the team, keeping the players informed about what is going on, finding a replacement for players and managers quickly and getting a good standard of manager in, getting in some people who have a football background and are intelligent. That's just a couple of things he could do.
Turkish Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 Well according some on here the board just had to offer Mopo Champions league and £200 million player kitty.............. Oh yeah, And assurances we would never ever sell anyone of course.
hypochondriac Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 Exactly this. They offered him a contract weeks ago, he wanted to leave and did. Other than issuing a statement saying this, which I'm sure the freaks who having been slating the new board from the minute they started would have found fault with, what more could they do? It's still a bit of a cringe statement to go alongside his others though. I hope we do get a decent manager now but if we get one of the usual faces (pretty much every name linked from off here) then that's pretty concerning.
Tom28 Posted 27 May, 2014 Author Posted 27 May, 2014 We so have some proper helmets for fans. The reaction on here is laughable 'I'm done with saints' 'all fart and no sh*t' because a manager who has twice before in 18 months talked about quitting finally has. If he doesn't want to be here let him do his year at spurs and get someone here who does want to be here. Turkish, you're right. We have some proper helmets for fans.
um pahars Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 The Board wanted him to stay, they provided him with commitments regarding transfer kittys, players not needing to be sold and other promises, but his head had already been turned by Spurs and not even a flimsy contract or a £2m+ clause was going to stop him from making the move that he thinks will progress his career and meet his ambitions. It would have been quite funny if they somehow tried to put a restraint on him and told him to manage the youth team for his last year here, but that would never stand up. We're a mid ranking Premiership Club who pick up players and managers from 80+ clubs in the pyramid, but conversely will be pillaged by 10 or so above us.
Olallana Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 "they offered him a contract".....yes but who´s to say it was any decent... I can offer Bill Gates 10% of my company for £1m, doesn´t mean it´s a good offer....
Turkish Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 (edited) Superb. What is superb is the way you've spent the last 5 years predicting failure after failure, meltdown and doomsday in dramatic fashion dressed up as 'being frustrated'. Now something has gone slightly wrong you're loving it. Cracked open a multi pack of Mars bars in celebration fatty? Edited 27 May, 2014 by Turkish Mods orders
whelk Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 "they offered him a contract".....yes but who´s to say it was any decent... I can offer Bill Gates 10% of my company for £1m, doesn´t mean it´s a good offer.... Without doubt would have been a reduced salary because the board is full of morons. Can't believe they didn't issue a statement detailing exactly it's terms either. We, the internet, have a right to know everything.
doddisalegend Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 It was clearly a target, no matter how far fetched it seemed. Obviously the finance stopped it from happening, but the ambition was there - and everyone latched onto it within the club, and as they say....reach for the stars....if you don't quite make it, then it's not too bad a result either. but if you just stay as you are, you will probably start slipping down. So in other words........ you lapped it up because it sounded all fluffy and magical but at the end of the day it was just waffle. Big words, impressive words, but anyone with an ounce of intelligence would realise it meant sod all...............
shurlock Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 Without doubt would have been a reduced salary because the board is full of morons. Can't believe they didn't issue a statement detailing exactly it's terms either. We, the internet, have a right to know everything. Just as its moronic to turn the fact we offered him a contract into some kind of untouchable, gold standard.
Smirking_Saint Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 (edited) Such wisdom. Of course actions speak louder than words but so many don't seem to want to give the board a chance. Losing managers and players has always been an issue for Saints and always will be. Pathetic tantrums saying 'he's a moron' etc. just show people up. I don't have my head in sand but at same time the mob here make me sick. Imagine being in the trenches with such feeble personalities panicking at first sign of everything not being rosy. Dear me. Ive never said he is a moron or personally attacked the board members. Whilst I agree that some are going over the top Id also argue some are getting swept away by empty promises and management jargon. Its not only what we hear from the board but what some of us here from other places (not just the media) We were promised transparacy and not had it in reality, likelyhood is we will lose our better players and just lost our manager, now perhaps it was a money decision but could of quite easily have been seen as the fact that he sees no real alternative. Then the players, barely 6 months ago speaking about ambition and a journey and recently now talking about how the 'hope' the board back us. January, when they came in was the first TW that we did no business in the Liebherr era despite the fact we were screaming out for reinforcements. I might be wrong, I genuinely hope I am and as Ive said before Ill stick my hand up and admit I was wrong in that case but I doubt it. As Ive said before, we were on the cusp of something a bit more IMO but we lacked the ambition to push for it. Sorry if Im ****ed off with that Edit - Im not sure Id want to spend time in the trenches with someone that couldnt see the wood for the trees either but there you go bud Edited 27 May, 2014 by Smirking_Saint
whelk Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 What is superb is the way you've spent the last 5 years predicting failure after failure, meltdown and doomsday in dramatic fashion dressed up as 'being frustrated'. Now something has gone slightly wrong you're loving it. Cracked open a multi pack of Mars bars in celebration you fat f*ck? Nice bit of personal abuse gave me a welcome chuckle.
whelk Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 Just as its moronic to turn the fact we offered him a contract into some kind of untouchable, gold standard. Who knows but fact is players and managers have always left us regardless of the hierarchy.
shurlock Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 So in other words........ you lapped it up because it sounded all fluffy and magical but at the end of the day it was just waffle. Big words, impressive words, but anyone with an ounce of intelligence would realise it meant sod all............... And while we were aiming for 4th - we were making progress, knocking on the doors of 6th. Not a bad consolation prize and ultimately not a million miles from 4th. You genuinely think Everton that pushed Arsenal all the way for 4th has a squad that's light years ahead of us?
whelk Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 Ive never said he is a moron or personally attacked the board members. Whilst I agree that some are going over the top Id also argue some are getting swept away by empty promises and management jargon. Its not only what we hear from the board but what some of us here from other places (not just the media) We were promised transparacy and not had it in reality, likelyhood is we will lose our better players and just lost our manager, now perhaps it was a money decision but could of quite easily have been seen as the fact that he sees no real alternative. Then the players, barely 6 months ago speaking about ambition and a journey and recently now talking about how the 'hope' the board back us. January, when they came in was the first TW that we did no business in the Liebherr era despite the fact we were screaming out for reinforcements. I might be wrong, I genuinely hope I am and as Ive said before Ill stick my hand up and admit I was wrong in that case but I doubt it. As Ive said before, we were on the cusp of something a bit more IMO but we lacked the ambition to push for it. Sorry if Im ****ed off with that Edit - Im not sure Id want to spend time in the trenches with someone that couldnt see the wood for the trees either but there you go bud I can't claim to have too much knowledge of the board but as much as us fans love this Utopian idea that clubs are run to our liking they rarely are. I am not saying everything is rosy but also far too early to panic. Most of us thought MP was on his way for a while.
whelk Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 Edit - Im not sure Id want to spend time in the trenches with someone that couldnt see the wood for the trees either but there you go bud I would be good for you. I could protect you from the baddies with my natural survival skills and tell you it was all going to be okay. And if you stayed calm might even change your nappy and share my bully beef.
CB Fry Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 And while we were aiming for 4th - we were making progress, knocking on the doors of 6th. Not a bad consolation prize and ultimately not a million miles from 4th. You genuinely think Everton that pushed Arsenal all the way for 4th has a squad that's light years ahead of us? 16 points and 6 wins ahead of us, so in Premier League football that is light years. Unless you are prepared to accept we are not light years ahead of West Ham, 16 points behind us.
Smirking_Saint Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 I can't claim to have too much knowledge of the board but as much as us fans love this Utopian idea that clubs are run to our liking they rarely are. I am not saying everything is rosy but also far too early to panic. Most of us thought MP was on his way for a while. Im not massively panicking by the way, anyone who thinks we are suddenly going to implode is wrong, we are, despite the boards best efforts to claim otherwise, clearly in a good financial position, have a strong academy and some v v expensive assets to our name the dissapointment however comes knowing that potentially this was our ONLY close chance of going for top four, not necessarily achieving it but attempting it. We have a decent academy, had a good manager and a first team that has shown it was capable, a lack of depth hurt us. Losing the likes of Lallana, Shaw and Poch now will all but remove that slim chance, all down to IMO a lack of commitment to the players, staff and club ambition and thats a shame.
doddisalegend Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 And while we were aiming for 4th - we were making progress, knocking on the doors of 6th. Not a bad consolation prize and ultimately not a million miles from 4th. You genuinely think Everton that pushed Arsenal all the way for 4th has a squad that's light years ahead of us? The point I'm making is the new board make a statement it's all bull**** and lies people won't believe we are looking for a decent new manager or want to push on....it's all over. Yet they lapped up NC pushing for the champions league despite that being highly unlikely ....makes it very easy to spot the agendas at the moment
shurlock Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 16 points and 6 wins ahead of us, so in Premier League football that is light years. Unless you are prepared to accept we are not light years ahead of West Ham, 16 points behind us. I made no reference to their final points tally - I simply asked whether their squad is light years ahead of ours. Quite different concepts and statements.
CB Fry Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 I made no reference to their final points tally - I simply asked whether their squad is light years ahead of ours. Quite different concepts and statements. If you like. The answer would be yes. They have a far stronger squad than we do, albeit pumped up with a couple of critical loans, which they may struggle to replace.
View From The Top Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 So many of our fans are such utter f**kwits. How the f**k is it our fault that he's f**ked off to a a club he views as bigger & with more potential? The deal was on the table and he said no. Should we have bet the house on him? Should we f**k.
Smirking_Saint Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 The point I'm making is the new board make a statement it's all bull**** and lies people won't believe we are looking for a decent new manager or want to push on....it's all over. Yet they lapped up NC pushing for the champions league despite that being highly unlikely ....makes it very easy to spot the agendas at the moment The point is the board havent said anything really have they ?
Smirking_Saint Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 So many of our fans are such utter f**kwits. How the f**k is it our fault that he's f**ked off to a a club he views as bigger & with more potential? The deal was on the table and he said no. Should we have bet the house on him? Should we f**k. Calm down poppet you seem to be as mad as those you're berating
doddisalegend Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 The point is the board havent said anything really have they ? Sorry isn't this whole thread based around the statement the club released.....
Sheaf Saint Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 To those people complaining about the club's statement, I have one question... What exactly did you want the chairman to say today that would have made you happy?
doddisalegend Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 To those people complaining about the club's statement, I have one question... What exactly did you want the chairman to say today that would have made you happy? I'm guessing something like this SFC would like to announce Rafa Benetiz as our new manager to replace that loser Mopo. Rafa has £200 million to spend in our push for champions league football. No players will ever leave saints........... ever COYS
View From The Top Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 Calm down poppet you seem to be as mad as those you're berating Not mad, just perplexed at the utter *****wittery of so many of our fans.
Batman Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 To those people complaining about the club's statement, I have one question... What exactly did you want the chairman to say today that would have made you happy? no one is for sale, to be thrown in. im guessing
hypochondriac Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 To those people complaining about the club's statement, I have one question... What exactly did you want the chairman to say today that would have made you happy? Something like 'despite offering generous terms and agreeing to his demands, Pochettino has tendered his resignation. we wanted him to stay and tried to keep him but he was determined to leave. We will now do everything we can to get a manager of a high calibre and during this period no players will be leaving Southampton football club. We will update the fan base as soon as a new manager is in place. ' would have preferred that compared to the pandering stuff we got.
pangy Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 no one is for sale, to be thrown in. im guessing I would say there is only 2-3 clubs in the world that can say that,every player has a price,to think we can announce nobody is for sale is wishful thinking If we have to sell a few to bring in a few with ££ left over then that's fine by me,it's part and parcel of football
shurlock Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 If you like. The answer would be yes. They have a far stronger squad than we do, albeit pumped up with a couple of critical loans, which they may struggle to replace. Our first XI is more than a match for Everton - and arguably has more potential. Beyond that I agree the difference between the two squads is much more obvious. But by the same token, it takes very little to improve on a Gazzanigga, Hooiveld, Fox or take the load off a Gallagher whereas it is much more difficult for Everton to add at the margins without spending a shedload.
Batman Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 I would say there is only 2-3 clubs in the world that can say that,every player has a price,to think we can announce nobody is for sale is wishful thinking If we have to sell a few to bring in a few with ££ left over then that's fine by me,it's part and parcel of football hold on, it was Ralph who came in and said there will be a new era of transparency...as if it was all wrong before. So you cant blame people for wanting more than the lines cortese would have fed us
Micky Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 Oohhhh eerrrrrrr real bad day on Saintsweb I see. Poch has packed his bags and left for London, meanwhile nobody noticed Glasgow Saint sneaking in the back door. This place goes into meltdown, apparently the board are rotten to the core and don't have a clue. My bet is something like this, on 16 August 2014, 12 blokes in red and white (stripes?) will take the field and the crowd will go mental. They have done for the last 100 years and will do for the next 100 years. Some of you need to calm down, the journey is not for 5 years, it's for life.
Weston Saint Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 The Board wanted him to stay, they provided him with commitments regarding transfer kittys, players not needing to be sold and other promises, but his head had already been turned by Spurs and not even a flimsy contract or a £2m+ clause was going to stop him from making the move that he thinks will progress his career and meet his ambitions. It would have been quite funny if they somehow tried to put a restraint on him and told him to manage the youth team for his last year here, but that would never stand up. We're a mid ranking Premiership Club who pick up players and managers from 80+ clubs in the pyramid, but conversely will be pillaged by 10 or so above us.Fair comment Steve.
hypochondriac Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 Fair comment Steve. Do you get off on calling every poster by their first name? It's fairly lame ron...
Smirking_Saint Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 Sorry isn't this whole thread based around the statement the club released..... Exactly, and what exactly did that statement contain ? As far as NC's ? As much as it was bold and ultimately far fetched it was an aim, and one that the players, staff and manager got behind enthusiastically. Kept them together, fighting and beyond all else probably a bit more loyal as ultimately if your ambitious you want your boss' to support that. Treading water is dangerous as eventually you tire and go under
Smirking_Saint Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 Not mad, just perplexed at the utter *****wittery of so many of our fans. I apologise I was a bit condescending and generally like you as a poster Emotions are high, nobody knows where they are or what direction the clubs going in. They'll be those going over the top either side of the fence
whelk Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 Exactly, and what exactly did that statement contain ? As far as NC's ? As much as it was bold and ultimately far fetched it was an aim, and one that the players, staff and manager got behind enthusiastically. Kept them together, fighting and beyond all else probably a bit more loyal as ultimately if your ambitious you want your boss' to support that. Treading water is dangerous as eventually you tire and go under Just keep moving upwards like Leeds and Portsmouth is the sure way to survive
Smirking_Saint Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 Just keep moving upwards like Leeds and Portsmouth is the sure way to survive Im not sure anyone was talking about breaking the bank, worked well for Everton and Spurs
shurlock Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 Exactly, and what exactly did that statement contain ? As far as NC's ? As much as it was bold and ultimately far fetched it was an aim, and one that the players, staff and manager got behind enthusiastically. Kept them together, fighting and beyond all else probably a bit more loyal as ultimately if your ambitious you want your boss' to support that. Treading water is dangerous as eventually you tire and go under Agree far-fetched or not, the players ultimately bought into it and it made a difference on the pitch. The first Saints team I've seen that played with a swagger and genuinely went toe to toe with the big teams. Ambition is only ever a problem when people don't believe it, grow cynical and it damages morale and performance.
Sour Mash Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 hold on, it was Ralph who came in and said there will be a new era of transparency...as if it was all wrong before. So you cant blame people for wanting more than the lines cortese would have fed us What do you want in a statement though? It's a bit pointless just asking for more transparency if you're unclear on what it is you want or expect them to say?
St Marco Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 So this he was offered a big contract, given assurances the club wouldn't sell players and invest in bringing more in to push on rumour has become fact now has it?
Jonnyboy Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 (edited) Having a plan and a vision, selling that to the players, keeping many together, promising funds from any sales to improve the team, keeping the players informed about what is going on, finding a replacement for players and managers quickly and getting a good standard of manager in, getting in some people who have a football background and are intelligent. That's just a couple of things he could do. ... Edited 27 May, 2014 by Jonnyboy
Sour Mash Posted 27 May, 2014 Posted 27 May, 2014 Agree far-fetched or not, the players ultimately bought into it and it made a difference on the pitch. The first Saints team I've seen that played with a swagger and genuinely went toe to toe with the big teams. Ambition is only ever a problem when people don't believe it, grow cynical and it damages morale and performance. Ambition becomes a problem when those who give empty promises get to the point where they need to fully back-up their promises and are found wanting. If NC went round convincing MP and the players that we were going for the CL, enticing them to the club that way, then there is only one possible outcome when we get to this point and realise it's probably not going to be likely; those players and manager get in a stop and look for options elsewhere. Good short-term scheme for success, not so good long-term.
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