Turkish Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 Champions league, you're having a laugh, champions league you're having a laugh Was their really people who genuinely believed a club with lower commercial revenues that Watford was going to play in the champions league because some bloke with a vision told them they were going to?!! FACT ONE - where was the money coming from? Name the clubs who have regularly played in the champions league with spending £100s of Millions FACT TWO - the dwarf says no one would have left on his watch, yet he has a 100% offer to sale ratio FACT THREE - it's perry evident despite what nick nack said he and the owner didn't share 'the vision' and if your bosses don't believe in what you're telling your staff there will only be one winner FACT FOUR - so many people lauded Corteses ambition and drive. Yet he quit at the first sign of not being able to deliver his 'vision' he didn't believe it himself, not enough to see it through anyway and he let down all the people he claims bought into it. He's a quitter. Fact FACT 5 - Kat authorised spending to the tune of £35m this summer and similar the season before. Why has this suddenly stopped because the dwarf has gone? The only ones crying now are the ones that sang Corteses name and hang onto his every word. Those of us that knew he was full of sh*t have been proven right. The bottom line is you backed a quitter, you hero worshiped a quitter and his 'vision' was nothing more than dreams of a pint sized man and his ego running away with him. Champions league you're having a laugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 TBH I think we are on the decline, I think that KL has now ended her overall ambition. Personally I do t think it died with Cortese, I think it had died before that, hence the fallout and eventual sacking/leaving of the don. Is this overall a bad thing for us ? No of course not, we are in a good position, well funded, well stocked player wise, great academy, top infrastructure. Without reasonable investment itll be difficult to move anywhere further though and as a fan thats genuinely dissapointing. Has anything happened yet ? No, most of this is pure speculation, nobody has left yet, indeed the silence is deafening but no news is good news right ? Personally I think the writings on the wall, and for me its sad, of course Ill stick my hand up and say that its a sad indicament of the times that I cannot be contented with a mid table bob job but thats football and thats me. In my job, in my sport I want to see improvement, I want to see the best we can achieve. Regardless of anyones agenda we have all enjoyed the progression, all enjoyed the football and largely yes, as big as he was a cock NC provided that, his money or not. So yeah, this board is about opinions and largely about speculation, so Ill put mine out there. For me the writings on the wall, the games up. We are on the cusp of something here, a brilliant but not quite finished first team, a brilliant but not quite polished manager and an exciting academy. A few well managed aquisitions and we could make it, convincing players to stay 1-2 yrs and I honestly think that we could target top 6, but in reality ? I think we are going to be on the end of a bad summer. As predicted if you dont match ambition the main pawns will be off, and I dont think KL or RK are offering it. I may be wrong to question the board, if Im wrobg come summer ill be the first to stick my hand up and apologise, hell, maybe ill even chuck some cash at Saints foundation too as, unfortunately, through the snippets I hear from certain sources, the noises coming from the media do nothing but convince me the dream is over. Rant over... Sorry chaps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 So in other words you haven't got a ****in clue what's going on like 99.9% of this message board...... Not a ****ing clue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 TBH I think we are on the decline, I think that KL has now ended her overall ambition. Personally I do t think it died with Cortese, I think it had died before that, hence the fallout and eventual sacking/leaving of the don. Is this overall a bad thing for us ? No of course not, we are in a good position, well funded, well stocked player wise, great academy, top infrastructure. Without reasonable investment itll be difficult to move anywhere further though and as a fan thats genuinely dissapointing. Has anything happened yet ? No, most of this is pure speculation, nobody has left yet, indeed the silence is deafening but no news is good news right ? Personally I think the writings on the wall, and for me its sad, of course Ill stick my hand up and say that its a sad indicament of the times that I cannot be contented with a mid table bob job but thats football and thats me. In my job, in my sport I want to see improvement, I want to see the best we can achieve. Regardless of anyones agenda we have all enjoyed the progression, all enjoyed the football and largely yes, as big as he was a cock NC provided that, his money or not. So yeah, this board is about opinions and largely about speculation, so Ill put mine out there. For me the writings on the wall, the games up. We are on the cusp of something here, a brilliant but not quite finished first team, a brilliant but not quite polished manager and an exciting academy. A few well managed aquisitions and we could make it, convincing players to stay 1-2 yrs and I honestly think that we could target top 6, but in reality ? I think we are going to be on the end of a bad summer. As predicted if you dont match ambition the main pawns will be off, and I dont think KL or RK are offering it. I may be wrong to question the board, if Im wrobg come summer ill be the first to stick my hand up and apologise, hell, maybe ill even chuck some cash at Saints foundation too as, unfortunately, through the snippets I hear from certain sources, the noises coming from the media do nothing but convince me the dream is over. Rant over... Sorry chaps That's a fine sentiment and I don't see why KL, the board and any saints fan wouldn't agree with it. It seems to me that the argument here is really about what people think the best the club can achieve is rather than people not wanting the club to carry on doing well. It might just be me but the more we have achieved the last few seasons the more people seem to want at some point it had to come to end. In some ways, and not knocking his achievements, NC got the easy bit of the job. IMO league 1 to the PL is a hell of a lot easier (and cheaper) than breaking the top 6 of the PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 So you think Shaw and Lallana are staying and that Poch is going nowhere? We haven't a clue and nor do you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 Champions league, you're having a laugh, champions league you're having a laugh Was their really people who genuinely believed a club with lower commercial revenues that Watford was going to play in the champions league because some bloke with a vision told them they were going to?!! FACT ONE - where was the money coming from? Name the clubs who have regularly played in the champions league with spending £100s of Millions FACT TWO - the dwarf says no one would have left on his watch, yet he has a 100% offer to sale ratio FACT THREE - it's perry evident despite what nick nack said he and the owner didn't share 'the vision' and if your bosses don't believe in what you're telling your staff there will only be one winner FACT FOUR - so many people lauded Corteses ambition and drive. Yet he quit at the first sign of not being able to deliver his 'vision' he didn't believe it himself, not enough to see it through anyway and he let down all the people he claims bought into it. He's a quitter. Fact FACT 5 - Kat authorised spending to the tune of £35m this summer and similar the season before. Why has this suddenly stopped because the dwarf has gone? The only ones crying now are the ones that sang Corteses name and hang onto his every word. Those of us that knew he was full of sh*t have been proven right. The bottom line is you backed a quitter, you hero worshiped a quitter and his 'vision' was nothing more than dreams of a pint sized man and his ego running away with him. Champions league you're having a laugh Ask not if you can peddle pie-in-the-sky "ambition" to poor gullible saps, but how. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 That's a fine sentiment and I don't see why KL, the board and any saints fan wouldn't agree with it. It seems to me that the argument here is really about what people think the best the club can achieve is rather than people not wanting the club to carry on doing well. It might just be me but the more we have achieved the last few seasons the more people seem to want at some point it had to come to end. In some ways, and not knocking his achievements, NC got the easy bit of the job. IMO league 1 to the PL is a hell of a lot easier (and cheaper) than breaking the top 6 of the PL. Yeah I can agree with the last paragraph there, openly trying to break into the top 4 is difficult and more or less beyond us unless you start seriously bankrolling the club. Regardless of what people say about the cash e have spent so far the return on investments been pretty good and now its more risky. If we were say Stoke or Villa then you could argue the investment to the next level is too much of a risk. Its a shame though that we are IMO, at a platform to progress, the cusp perhaps of something more that, IMHO wouldnt cost too much to go for it. A little investment in the right areas would do two things, 1 perhaps be enough to convince the players to challenge for 1-2 more years and two give us the depth required to challenge the top 6. Realistically though if we lose our better players and manager by not appeasing that ambition you are taking some big steps back and we end up too far away to a level where investment outweighs risk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 I love how polarised everything is. Either it's Cortese's way or we are going to hell in a handcart and everything will implode. Yes we may be reigning in our ambition a bit which is disappointing for the fans (although may well be making us more financially stable) and we will probably miss some of Nicola's ruthlessness and single mindedness but his way is not the only way to run a successful football club. I have no idea about this current lot and it may be that they don't do a great job, but it's possible that they can still bring us success whilst being more financially prudent and being a bit more fan friendly into the bargain. I still expect Adam and Luke to be sold and I will watch with interest to see how we go about replacing them and retaining our other players. Despite coming across as a bit buffoonish and lacking in football knowledge, I very much doubt that someone with the pedigree of Ralph would join as chairman only to see a mass exodus of players at the first opportunity. What would be the point? The 'point' is, if we unload a couple of our best players the others will want to leave too. Morale will drop in line with ambition. There will be a downward spiral which would see us in the bottom half. Anyone in the bottom half could have dropped out of the Premier League this year we all Know that. So we are dancing with the WBA and Villa guys. Does anyone want to risk that? Not forgetting our Manager who will not want to be at a club with no ambition so he goes and once in a spiral we have seen what can happen. Just watch gates fall too as the standard of football drops along with results. Not saying it will but the risk is very high. IMO you either continue to progress and invest aiming higher or drop down alarmingly if we let our skilled guys walk. There is no choice, no half way house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 TBH I think we are on the decline, I think that KL has now ended her overall ambition. Personally I do t think it died with Cortese, I think it had died before that, hence the fallout and eventual sacking/leaving of the don. Is this overall a bad thing for us ? No of course not, we are in a good position, well funded, well stocked player wise, great academy, top infrastructure. Without reasonable investment itll be difficult to move anywhere further though and as a fan thats genuinely dissapointing. Has anything happened yet ? No, most of this is pure speculation, nobody has left yet, indeed the silence is deafening but no news is good news right ? Personally I think the writings on the wall, and for me its sad, of course Ill stick my hand up and say that its a sad indicament of the times that I cannot be contented with a mid table bob job but thats football and thats me. In my job, in my sport I want to see improvement, I want to see the best we can achieve. Regardless of anyones agenda we have all enjoyed the progression, all enjoyed the football and largely yes, as big as he was a cock NC provided that, his money or not. So yeah, this board is about opinions and largely about speculation, so Ill put mine out there. For me the writings on the wall, the games up. We are on the cusp of something here, a brilliant but not quite finished first team, a brilliant but not quite polished manager and an exciting academy. A few well managed aquisitions and we could make it, convincing players to stay 1-2 yrs and I honestly think that we could target top 6, but in reality ? I think we are going to be on the end of a bad summer. As predicted if you dont match ambition the main pawns will be off, and I dont think KL or RK are offering it. I may be wrong to question the board, if Im wrobg come summer ill be the first to stick my hand up and apologise, hell, maybe ill even chuck some cash at Saints foundation too as, unfortunately, through the snippets I hear from certain sources, the noises coming from the media do nothing but convince me the dream is over. Rant over... Sorry chaps If we are on the decline and no more money to spend wouldn t it be intelligent for KL to sell and cash in? We haven't heard any of this so I think she is commited. Think we are still gonna challenge eventually but that will be done progressively. Yes players will be sold to fund this but as we build our brand little by little commercial revenue will go up little by little and we will be become sustainable. Rome wasn t built in one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 Lets be realistic our very good players will want to play at the highest level the CL and it will not happen at St Mary's so some will leave So we will have to build a team again as buying second rate expensive players has not seemed to have worked I have no idea where we will finish next season as we dont know who will be still here but I doubt we will be a high as 8th with possibly no Louvren Shaw and Lallana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 Haha. Some right wallies on here. Things only happen when official statements are made. At least he managed a little smiley face instead of roping you into playing 20 stupid questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 If we are on the decline and no more money to spend wouldn t it be intelligent for KL to sell and cash in? We haven't heard any of this so I think she is commited. Think we are still gonna challenge eventually but that will be done progressively. Yes players will be sold to fund this but as we build our brand little by little commercial revenue will go up little by little and we will be become sustainable. Rome wasn t built in one day. Please no more of these sensible posts. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 Please no more of these sensible posts. Thank you. At a time when marginal gains will mean a lot to Saints selling two of your best players is regressive. Nonetheless, pragmatically speaking if there is no more money to keep the progress going then it is inevitable the best players will leave. My concern is more around our ability to replace them. As I have said before, no club has a record better than 50/50 in the transfer market and we aren't any different. Now it looks like we'll have to replace at least two important players and there is a 50% chance of us getting it right. I don't like those odds... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 At a time when marginal gains will mean a lot to Saints selling two of your best players is regressive. Nonetheless, pragmatically speaking if there is no more money to keep the progress going then it is inevitable the best players will leave. My concern is more around our ability to replace them. As I have said before, no club has a record better than 50/50 in the transfer market and we aren't any different. Now it looks like we'll have to replace at least two important players and there is a 50% chance of us getting it right. I don't like those odds... The only upside I can see is this. Say we get £50M - £60M for Shaw and Lallana; we could, in theory, get 5 or 6 players in for that amount of money. £30M for a full back is silly money; Shaw is a fantastic player but look at Clyne for £2.5M, just how much difference is there really between the two? Lallana is much more difficult to replace; but at 26 years old he's probably at his peak. I don't like it, but we know the squad has massive deficiencies. It's pointless thinking we'll get like for like replacements by spending the same sort of money, so the objectives change slightly. That's about the only positive I can take from what I see as nailed on departures for those two. If we don't reinvest though, then it's a massive concern and the only ambition is avoiding relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 Why do we need to sell top players, lose the manager, downsize, reign in the ambition or whatever other term you want to use when the efforts of the NC team has just earned us £83 million bonus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 Why do we need to sell top players, lose the manager, downsize, reign in the ambition or whatever other term you want to use when the efforts of the NC team has just earned us £83 million bonus? its a shame that so many posters seem to be basing their opinions on Myths.... So maybe we should bust a few. 1. We have NOT just landed an 83 mil bonus. We have had an in crease of about 33 mil in TV nd broadcaster ing rights due to our position and the increased levels of the contracts for the 13/14 season. Not sure what we budgeted for, but suspect we will be close to that given the expectation of NC at the start of the season. Not sure exactly how and when this sis paid out, but I think we will already have had a chunk of this which has been used as part of this seasons budgets , but not sure... In effect out Turnover for 13/14 will be around 110mil when all revenue streams are included. 2. 'Prem years bankrolled by a billionaire' - er not really very accurate. As far as I am aware from official exported figures the total investment of Liebherr cash to date is still 33 mil which was the equity conversion and INCLUDED the original 12-13 mil Markus paid the creditors to take control. It would be fair to assume this was a reasonable amount Markus would have allocated for the prem push. KL to her credit has honoured this. however, since then, the money spent has been money the club has earned, or had advanced from the BVI etc and we see that because of the need for BVI short term loans, and like all other clubs we have spread the transfer fees over a number of years.... Why the need for loans if KL was bankrolling us.... If someone knows more fair enough, but I was not aware of any additional capital injection.... of course NC may have requested some additional capital injection, especially as he voted against the new prem finance restrictions etc... On the grounds that it prejudiced clubs who had means but not yet benefitted from such financial investment, when the top clubs already had... But requesting or expecting investment to complete a progress plan, is not some ridiculous 'demand' - all businesses look for capital investment from various sauces, many from shareholders.... And if used tofu d infrastructure freeing revenue streams for improved contracts and transfer budget, then is it really such a crime for NC. To have requested such support? Quite rightly it is KLs prerogative what she does with her money, and therefore she is perfectly entitled to say no, and it's also then quite normal for a CEO to resign or leave if it means the development plans can not be implemented... There is no moral right or wrong here, just different desires from NC and KL. Neither are devils or saints, just different desires both equally valid. But I would suggest that KL should recognise that a football club needs to progress.. It can't stagnate and even worse, when a club has potential to get better, something that does not come about every season, ( for a club of our size) to waste it through a lack of investment would be painful. I suspect KL is stuck in a difficult place. She may not want to invest more as it's not her real passion, can understand this, and she might even want to sell, but I suspect she is also torn emotionally since it was her father's desire to see the club progress, and that is quite an emotional tie. I hope that rather than simply dismiss NCs words as someone here have done, she recognizes that there is a fair amount of truth in what he has said, and adopts some of those approaches and lest this generation reach its full potential - if she does, it may well also prove an astute business decision as WE get the full value when our stars are eventually sold, and not someone else. PS. Hypo - if you are going to try and insult me, try and be original. Trotting out FRY's and. Turks fable led 'comedy' myth of being a drunk, as pathetic, as it is pretty despicable.. You must be really proud of yourself with that effort, so just go f*** yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 Markus left us 5 years worth of a trust fund to see us through to the premiership. The 5 years have ended. A new plan is being made right now with MoPo. Once he's tied down they will concentrate on players. Most of the players have recently signed new contracts so there is no rush. The club have been negotiating many aspects of football, far beyond the knowledge of 99% of our fans. When you have money you can have time. All bids have been rejected. Silence is very powerful. It doesn't matter if the fans or media don't know whats going on. I fully trust they know what they're doing. Just be patient and let them get on with their jobs. Not surprised my last post on here was ignored or missed with the complete hysteria of certain posters taking over with their ignorance. Okay so just read it and I hope you're right. That is what I hope is going on anyway. Although many on here are seeing silence as inactivity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 Markus left us 5 years worth of a trust fund to see us through to the premiership. The 5 years have ended. A new plan is being made right now with MoPo. Once he's tied down they will concentrate on players. Most of the players have recently signed new contracts so there is no rush. The club have been negotiating many aspects of football, far beyond the knowledge of 99% of our fans. When you have money you can have time. All bids have been rejected. Silence is very powerful. It doesn't matter if the fans or media don't know whats going on. I fully trust they know what they're doing. Just be patient and let them get on with their jobs. This is a great point, one ive not seen mentioned or discussed elsewhere. I have seen a few posts saying not to worry about the future as KL has backed us since ML passed. However has she spent a single penny (yet)? or was NC simply been spending the trust £'s left by our Markus? Perhaps now and only now will we see how KL will operate and perhaps noises about self-funding suggests shes happy to continue ownership, but not to bankroll us or incur any expense herself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 Well, I thought I better give my opinion and tell you all also what I've heard over the past few months. Some of this is truth, some of this just my opinion. Some of it is me reading between the lines. Irrespective, it's not great reading and I think I'll be proven correct shortly that since Cortese left, we're on a huge downward curve. Here's what I know. - There was a huge upturn in atmosphere when Cortese left. The day-to-day (non-football) staff were initially a lot happier as NC could be a very difficult taskmaster at times. - RK and KL set about repairing links and friendships with important businesses and former employees/players. - Contractors and others Cortese had working for him via the club were a lot happier. However, over time, this has changed somewhat and most importantly, the footballing side has been somewhat neglected. It soon became apparent that our objectives and ambitions had shifted and the players/staff were left completely in the dark. They bought into Cortese's long-term strategy/vision and it was him who was the glue who held everything together, despite his obvious shortcomings in other areas of running the club. When Cortese left, so did all the aspirations of pushing on and progressing as a club. In the meantime, we've had; - fan-pandering letters from the new setup - mixed messages regarding the sale of players - Reed "not for sale" Krueger "will talk to clubs about our players" - unprofessional snipes at Cortese's handling of the club with reference to the comment about our financial situation and the adidas kit debacle - continued non-communication in this new "era of transparency" Now, cast your mind back. In the early part of the season when we were riding high, remember all the talk of Champions League? This wasn't just from the players (Boruc, Wanyama, Lallana, Schneiderlin) but from the manager as well. This was Cortese's objective and the playing staff were 100% committed to delivering it; maybe not this season, but with future investment and the retention of the better players and the manager this was seen as potentially achievable. Now, fast-forward a few months later - uncertainty reigns, no-one dared uttered a word about it and the new leadership's policy is sustainability and nothing else. From February to the present day, we've had Schneiderlin, Lallana, Fonte and others all drop huge hints in the press about being happy here but only the proviso we kick on and improve. If just one of those "big" players had the assurances they required to stay and committed so would the rest. Now, the opposite is in action; all it'll take is one or two to leave and it could lead to an exodus. The first and most important person is Pochettino, but I don't think he's too enamoured with the new "mid-table" project and having to face replacing key members of his squad. Surely some of you must have heard the alarm bells ringing the moment the new board started even entertaining players sales and mentioned that we were in a difficult financial situation? If that isn't greasing us up for a potential firesale of 2, 3 maybe 4 of our best players I don't know what is. Sure, no sales have been confirmed yet but I've absolutely no doubt that they will, very soon. We're water-treaders now at best, unfortunately. If people are happy with that then that's their prerogative but I can almost certainly guarantee you that from reading between the lines and hearing what I've heard that we're in for a pretty sh1tty summer. It's genuinely galling to watch this unfold as like many of you, I was finally excited by the fact we were THAT close to having a thoroughly decent, competitive Premier League side that could challenge the big 'uns not off the pitch but most definitely on it. With a couple of solid acquisitions as a statement of intent and retention of our best players, we could have had a real go next year. That's what the players wanted, the manager wanted and that's what Cortese wanted. That dream died to moment he was turfed out of SMS for good. Don't worry though - the pain of tumbling back into mediocrity will surely be offset by a nicely worded club statement. Nothing new here, Crabby, and you seem to have jumped to more than a few conclusions. As with every other post, I'll wait and see what actually happens before deciding if we're stalling or not. Plenty of reasons for optimism at the moment, and I doubt Krueger is the kind of person who doesn't know how to motivate and deliver a vision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 (edited) This is a great point, one ive not seen mentioned or discussed elsewhere. I have seen a few posts saying not to worry about the future as KL has backed us since ML passed. However has she spent a single penny (yet)? or was NC simply been spending the trust £'s left by our Markus? Perhaps now and only now will we see how KL will operate and perhaps noises about self-funding suggests shes happy to continue ownership, but not to bankroll us or incur any expense herself? Glasgow / Barry - She has put in 55 million - what bit don't you understand. Trust fund my arse. You don't take loans against every single asset when you are drawing down from a trust fund Edited 22 May, 2014 by Gemmel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAY-Z Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 What I would like to know is why do so many people on here think they have the right to demand how a very wealthy individual spends her money, how much more of it she spends and what she does to the assets it has been spent on. Yes it would be fantastic if all the players stayed together and more top quality players were added but it would probably take a commitment of 200million to get new players in, up the wages of the current players etc, and if she doesnt want to do that its her decision. whether or not Adam and Luke move on shouldnt stop people from supporting Southampton FC as there will still be 11 players on the field each week trying 100% (hopefully including cup ties) to get the best possible result and really that is all that matters, as unfortunately the world of top flight football isnt set up to be fair and equitable and give teams an even chance so just take happiness it whatever success is achieved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 Not surprised my last post on here was ignored or missed with the complete hysteria of certain posters taking over with their ignorance. I read your post and would hope it to be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 Markus left us 5 years worth of a trust fund to see us through to the premiership. The 5 years have ended. A new plan is being made right now with MoPo. Once he's tied down they will concentrate on players. Most of the players have recently signed new contracts so there is no rush. The club have been negotiating many aspects of football, far beyond the knowledge of 99% of our fans. When you have money you can have time. All bids have been rejected. Silence is very powerful. It doesn't matter if the fans or media don't know whats going on. I fully trust they know what they're doing. Just be patient and let them get on with their jobs. Would you care to explain (without naming names) how you know all this ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 What I would like to know is why do so many people on here think they have the right to demand how a very wealthy individual spends her money, how much more of it she spends and what she does to the assets it has been spent on. Yes it would be fantastic if all the players stayed together and more top quality players were added but it would probably take a commitment of 200million to get new players in, up the wages of the current players etc, and if she doesnt want to do that its her decision. whether or not Adam and Luke move on shouldnt stop people from supporting Southampton FC as there will still be 11 players on the field each week trying 100% (hopefully including cup ties) to get the best possible result and really that is all that matters, as unfortunately the world of top flight football isnt set up to be fair and equitable and give teams an even chance so just take happiness it whatever success is achieved Spot on. Great post. This forum is populated by people behaving like spoilt children, merrily dismissing fifty odd million quid to a L1/NPC club as not being bankrolled, and at the same time whining about how terribly boring and depressing it would be to finish in eighth place again next season, even though we've only done that twice in 25 odd years. I'm with you. Support the team, come what may. And others can grizzle for it, but I am far happier seeing us achieving in a sustainable way, not some sugar daddy's plaything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 1 January, 2015 Share Posted 1 January, 2015 Started 2015 as 2014 ended. Treading water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted 1 January, 2015 Share Posted 1 January, 2015 Typical Saints. Can't even organise a downward curve in the right direction. Koeman out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 1 January, 2015 Share Posted 1 January, 2015 Surely crab lungs sources must have given him an update since august? Crabbers, if you're reading this pal feel free to give us the latest news. You didn't hold back last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 1 January, 2015 Share Posted 1 January, 2015 I haven't yet got over the pain of us "tumbling back to mediocrity". It could have been so different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 1 January, 2015 Share Posted 1 January, 2015 Lets be realistic our very good players will want to play at the highest level the CL and it will not happen at St Mary's so some will leave So we will have to build a team again as buying second rate expensive players has not seemed to have worked I have no idea where we will finish next season as we dont know who will be still here but I doubt we will be a high as 8th with possibly no Louvren Shaw and Lallana Well I could be wrong we could get a CL spot after all must admit I did not expect Everton Liverpool Spurs and Arsenal to be so poor perhaps they will play better in 2015 but on todays performances I doubt it. Koemann has done a great job and the players we have brought in I think are much better than the ones we lost I think it maybe time to spend some money on a top class striker to get us a few results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 2 January, 2015 Share Posted 2 January, 2015 Surely crab lungs sources must have given him an update since august? Crabbers, if you're reading this pal feel free to give us the latest news. You didn't hold back last year. Has it occurred to anyone that Lungs' source may have left at the same time as the person they had all the info from and about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 January, 2015 Share Posted 2 January, 2015 Has it occurred to anyone that Lungs' source may have left at the same time as the person they had all the info from and about? So his source was a player whinging and *****ing behind the clubs back as he engineered his move away. Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 2 January, 2015 Share Posted 2 January, 2015 So his source was a player whinging and *****ing behind the clubs back as he engineered his move away. Fair enough. Not necessarily a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 2 January, 2015 Share Posted 2 January, 2015 What's the point in going through all this stuff again? It's last year's news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 11 January, 2015 Share Posted 11 January, 2015 :lol::lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 11 January, 2015 Share Posted 11 January, 2015 :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 11 January, 2015 Share Posted 11 January, 2015 We will be on a downward curve one day. But not yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 11 January, 2015 Share Posted 11 January, 2015 Golden thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 11 January, 2015 Share Posted 11 January, 2015 TBH I think we are on the decline, I think that KL has now ended her overall ambition. Personally I do t think it died with Cortese, I think it had died before that, hence the fallout and eventual sacking/leaving of the don. Is this overall a bad thing for us ? No of course not, we are in a good position, well funded, well stocked player wise, great academy, top infrastructure. Without reasonable investment itll be difficult to move anywhere further though and as a fan thats genuinely dissapointing. Has anything happened yet ? No, most of this is pure speculation, nobody has left yet, indeed the silence is deafening but no news is good news right ? Personally I think the writings on the wall, and for me its sad, of course Ill stick my hand up and say that its a sad indicament of the times that I cannot be contented with a mid table bob job but thats football and thats me. In my job, in my sport I want to see improvement, I want to see the best we can achieve. Regardless of anyones agenda we have all enjoyed the progression, all enjoyed the football and largely yes, as big as he was a cock NC provided that, his money or not. So yeah, this board is about opinions and largely about speculation, so Ill put mine out there. For me the writings on the wall, the games up. We are on the cusp of something here, a brilliant but not quite finished first team, a brilliant but not quite polished manager and an exciting academy. A few well managed aquisitions and we could make it, convincing players to stay 1-2 yrs and I honestly think that we could target top 6, but in reality ? I think we are going to be on the end of a bad summer. As predicted if you dont match ambition the main pawns will be off, and I dont think KL or RK are offering it. I may be wrong to question the board, if Im wrobg come summer ill be the first to stick my hand up and apologise, hell, maybe ill even chuck some cash at Saints foundation too as, unfortunately, through the snippets I hear from certain sources, the noises coming from the media do nothing but convince me the dream is over. Rant over... Sorry chaps Ive never been so completely happy to say I am wrong In a time that looked bleak the board have done what I think they couldnt to steer us out of the choppy waters, they have done brilliantly and Im so ****ing proud to be a saints fan Sorry to the board for doubting you, and Im giving some money to the saints foundation to apologise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 11 January, 2015 Share Posted 11 January, 2015 Ive never been so completely happy to say I am wrong In a time that looked bleak the board have done brilliantly to steer us out of the choppy waters, they have done brilliantly and Im so ****ing proud to be a saints fan Sorry to the board for doubting you, and Im giving some money to the saints foundation to apologise Very generous of you to hold your hands up and apologise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 11 January, 2015 Share Posted 11 January, 2015 Champions league, you're having a laugh, champions league you're having a laugh. Where was the money coming from? Name the clubs who have regularly played in the champions league with spending £100s of Millions Champions league you're having a laugh :lol::lol::lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 11 January, 2015 Share Posted 11 January, 2015 (edited) :lol::lol::lol: When did we start regularly playing in the Champions League? Must have missed that. Edited 11 January, 2015 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 11 January, 2015 Share Posted 11 January, 2015 Every time that this thread gets resurrected i shake my head in despair at the childish nature of some of our posters. And every time that it gets resurrected I am delighted as it means we have had another great result. Brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 11 January, 2015 Share Posted 11 January, 2015 Time to close this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red&white56 Posted 11 January, 2015 Share Posted 11 January, 2015 The bed wetters are all looking even more foolish after today's result, what a fantastic performance from a good team and a good Manager. if Koeman continues like this he'll become a legend, he's already eclipsed the memory of Poch!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red&white56 Posted 11 January, 2015 Share Posted 11 January, 2015 Time to close this thread. I don't think we should - it's a great example of keeping faith and believing that you can pull through in times of adversity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 11 January, 2015 Share Posted 11 January, 2015 When did we start regularly playing in the Champions League? Must have missed that. Just pointing hindsight is wonderful thing and best not to be too smug about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 11 January, 2015 Share Posted 11 January, 2015 Just pointing hindsight is wonderful thing and best not to be too smug about it. By quoting a post that is perfectly reasonable comment and still correct? Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 11 January, 2015 Share Posted 11 January, 2015 Golden thread Post a form table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 11 January, 2015 Share Posted 11 January, 2015 Just pointing hindsight is wonderful thing and best not to be too smug about it. Isn't it just and when we've started regularly playing in the champions league I'll happily admit i was wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 11 January, 2015 Share Posted 11 January, 2015 "It's easier to be a pessimist and be happy to be proved wrong than be an optimist and proved right" Bobby Davro, Cleethorpes Hippodrome, 1983 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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