OldNick Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 Franco, I didn't make up your drink problems, you told us about them when, after yet another foul mouthed outburst, you admitted you'd downed a bottle of wine prior to coming on here. If it's not true then why does it bother you so much? You're like the little boy at school crying because all the other kids say he's got fleas. Anyway, ignoring your personal problems for a second, who could forget this time last year when your hero was 'considering his position'? Yet a few weeks later everyone was in love again and he was backed to the tune of £35m so laughable your claims he wasn't backed by the owners. Your hero admits that he needed to find another way to compete with the top clubs, not if but how, remember. Yet despite being backed with tens of millions of pounds and months more 'vision' 'ambition' and champions league boasts he was off as soon as his built up shoes could carry him. He quit Franco. He walked out on 'his baby' he didn't believe in his 'vision'. His 'ambition' was misplaced. I know you still cry yourself to sleep every night with his picture under your pillow but he's gone. I assume you have never posted after having a drink or 2. To make it seem somebody has a drink problem as they owned up to having some on occasion and then bigging up the problem is pretty low and Im surprised that you like Hypocondriac have stooped to such low levels. Not far away from poking fun at people in wheelchairs or any disability. Argue the posts not peoples frailties if there are any Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 100 percent id have him back, absolutely visionary chairman who took us from rock bottom to dreaming about europe in the space of 5 years.losing him is much worse then losing lallana or shaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 Your blasé attitude to "only" £46m quid as not being bankrolled through two divisions just shows how divorced from reality to actually are. You think that's just normal spending for L1 and Championship clubs, do you? And you've got the cheek to mock that as a "myth". And Cortese quitting because if lack of funding or disagreement over strategy is a bottle job. If you are going to go on Sky Sports and the Daily Mail peddling your vision to all and sundry, if you are going to honk out your "ask not if, but how" cliché all over the shop....Then probably best to not then walk out on that "vision" and that "how" merely a couple of months later. Because that demonstrates conclusively one of two things, if not both: a) superficial commitment to the vision, leaving at the first sign of adversity b) no grasp of the "how" at all, because aligning your boss with the vision is step one on the "how" list. And quitting is also not "how" anyway. He quit Franko. He quit. That is a simple fact. Massive vision speeches is easy if your commitment to them is so flimsy you stroll out saying what might have been within months. So remind me, what are these myths again? Woah son, put a filter on the BS right now! The anti cortese bashers love to pluck figures out of thin air. Adkins net spend from league 1 to premier league was circa £3m.... before that, we brought a handfull of players, for a couple of million... Lambert (£1.2m), Fonte (£1.2m) etc The vast majority of money our owners have invested was to buy the club and clear debt. The clubs outstanding liabilty is in the region of £65m, which is last seasons £7.5m loss, the £27m of outstanding transfers, and the original investment... The transfer fees and loss are covered by the increased TV and prize money this season. So all in all, Cortese achieved his 5 year plan with a negligble net spend bar purchase cost, and Katrina can sell up, and the original investment is worth a huge amount more anyway. I sincerely doubt he quit over funding, they had a disagreement over the running of the organisation, and agreed that he was to step down. His inability to share pride and his ego would seem to be the root cause, plus the rumoured fact that KL said she will "never sell to him".... Pretty much an unworkable situation for the man. All his power is taken away after the 5 year plan, he has no way back in, so he quits. I'm damn sure it has f'all to do with finance as the bloke was always planning a sustainable club anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 Woah son, put a filter on the BS right now! The anti cortese bashers love to pluck figures out of thin air. Adkins net spend from league 1 to premier league was circa £3m.... before that, we brought a handfull of players, for a couple of million... Lambert (£1.2m), Fonte (£1.2m) etc The vast majority of money our owners have invested was to buy the club and clear debt. The clubs outstanding liabilty is in the region of £65m, which is last seasons £7.5m loss, the £27m of outstanding transfers, and the original investment... The transfer fees and loss are covered by the increased TV and prize money this season. So all in all, Cortese achieved his 5 year plan with a negligble net spend bar purchase cost, and Katrina can sell up, and the original investment is worth a huge amount more anyway. I sincerely doubt he quit over funding, they had a disagreement over the running of the organisation, and agreed that he was to step down. His inability to share pride and his ego would seem to be the root cause, plus the rumoured fact that KL said she will "never sell to him".... Pretty much an unworkable situation for the man. All his power is taken away after the 5 year plan, he has no way back in, so he quits. I'm damn sure it has f'all to do with finance as the bloke was always planning a sustainable club anyway. I thought £30m was turned into equity, so not technically a liability? I think the missing £30m was that loan we took out from the off-shore bank (can't remember it's name now). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 I assume you have never posted after having a drink or 2. To make it seem somebody has a drink problem as they owned up to having some on occasion and then bigging up the problem is pretty low and Im surprised that you like Hypocondriac have stooped to such low levels. Not far away from poking fun at people in wheelchairs or any disability. Argue the posts not peoples frailties if there are any lol, someone telling him to play the post, not the man (one of his faves) , that should go down well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bensfcno1 Posted 24 May, 2014 Share Posted 24 May, 2014 110% YES! Sent from my BNTV400 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 Yes, IMO. Ran the club with an iron fist, but had the right ambitions and made the players and manager beleive in him. I think with him we could have reached CL within a couple of seasons. Who knows where we're going with the new regime. I was pleased when he left because I thought that would be the end of fans thinking we would ever reach the CL Clearly I was wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 I'd have him back if he had investment to bring to the party too. He is a bar steward, but he would be our bar steward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 I was pleased when he left because I thought that would be the end of fans thinking we would ever reach the CL Clearly I was wrong I wonder of everton fans wish ken wright left for having the same ambition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 Yes because after all is said and done his ambitions for the club matched my own desires and dreams! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martel Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 Yes, IMO. Ran the club with an iron fist, but had the right ambitions and made the players and manager beleive in him. I think with him we could have reached CL within a couple of seasons. Who knows where we're going with the new regime. Well it ain't gonna happen, however, with the sultan of Oman or simular bank rolling it, then in a blink, sorry that is all football has become, a financial competition; we have shown as a club a better way with an excellent academy, but as N.C. stated, if you sell them then you are only selling your future. Right now that does appear to be happening, if Shaw and Lallana do move on along with Poch we would have moved forward one step and moved back two; maybe we get another very good manager and replace Lallana and Shaw with equally good players, by the end of next season the clubs who missed out on some of our players now will be in for them; not sure what the answer is really or indeed if there is one, the only thing I am sure of is that this is an ongoing saga which frankly I am getting bored with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 Right now i can't help but think that Cortese would have crushed the rumours and sent out a strong message that MP was going nowhere as well as the rest of our best players. His ambition alone would be keeping our best at the club. Cortese is the one man who could keep the big 4 away and put us up there with them IMHO. Not a nice guy but by god he was effective. Saints through and through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 Right now i can't help but think that Cortese would have crushed the rumours and sent out a strong message that MP was going nowhere as well as the rest of our best players. His ambition alone would be keeping our best at the club. Cortese is the one man who could keep the big 4 away and put us up there with them IMHO. Not a nice guy but by god he was effective. Saints through and through. You mean some sort statement perhaps? Perhaps he'd call the media in and told them exactly where we are how comfortable he is with the situation as well as reiterate the SFC policy of not commenting on every piece of speciation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 Yes because after all is said and done his ambitions for the club matched my own desires and dreams! Got to agree with this. I see no evidence, yet, of our current owner and Krueger sharing the same vision. But, we shall see. I guess the gauntlet has been throw, will the clubs leadership pick it up or just sell players and a manager? If the latter you've got to wonder if they are asset stripping. I live in hope though. Deep down i like to think Marcus L would have kept our team together and pushed onwards and upwards. Will Katerina? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 Right now i can't help but think that Cortese would have crushed the rumours and sent out a strong message that MP was going nowhere as well as the rest of our best players. His ambition alone would be keeping our best at the club. Cortese is the one man who could keep the big 4 away and put us up there with them IMHO. Not a nice guy but by god he was effective. Saints through and through. No. Agree with most you have written until that last bit. He was single minded in driving SFC forward as he saw it, but that does not make him "Saints through and through". His "ambition" probably did not factor in the 'risk' element of overspending, or at the very least he was not permitted to get to that point. He was Cortese through and through, and if anything Saints were becoming Cortese through and through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 You mean some sort statement perhaps? Perhaps he'd call the media in and told them exactly where we are how comfortable he is with the situation as well as reiterate the SFC policy of not commenting on every piece of speciation I think so. Thing about Cortese was that we would all believe him, and so would the top 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 You mean some sort statement perhaps? Perhaps he'd call the media in and told them exactly where we are how comfortable he is with the situation as well as reiterate the SFC policy of not commenting on every piece of speciation Or possibly his friends in the media might not have dared print so many wild stories without seeking his approval. Got to agree with this. I see no evidence, yet, of our current owner and Krueger sharing the same vision. But, we shall see. I guess the gauntlet has been throw, will the clubs leadership pick it up or just sell players and a manager? If the latter you've got to wonder if they are asset stripping. I live in hope though. Deep down i like to think Marcus L would have kept our team together and pushed onwards and upwards. Will Katerina? Agree with that, a great shame. The big difference between ML & KL unfortunately was that NC probably felt answerable to ML but probably felt he could continue full speed ahead as he saw fit without KL being party to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 I think so. Thing about Cortese was that we would all believe him, and so would the top 4. You really believe that no one would have bid for luke Shaw because cortese had said he wasn't for sale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bensfcno1 Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 If its true that the players all had a good working relationship and mutual respect for him then I think that a lot of what people say about him being a not a nice person is wrong. Yes he was a ruthless and very good business man.but that doesn't make him a bad person. I've worked with some people who I can't stand at work but they are good at their job and I get on with them outside of working environment. Most succesful people are going to upset people on the way as they try and do the best for themselves and their employer. I bet even some saints players who are idolised by most fans have upset a few in some way or another from their actions on or of the pitch, directly or indirectly.....? Sent from my BNTV400 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diggers Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 Genuine question, how did Cortese go from banning all press from saint Mary's ( didn't the sun refer to us as "the south coast club in red") to having so many friends in the media? That's a massive u-turn, thought he was famous for his stubbornness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 Genuine question, how did Cortese go from banning all press from saint Mary's ( didn't the sun refer to us as "the south coast club in red") to having so many friends in the media? That's a massive u-turn, thought he was famous for his stubbornness? Money and being available for comment presumeably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint George Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 Cortese had contempt for losers...That's why the likes of the basement (and bedroom) dwellers on here have such a rabid hatred for him... Only ever seen respect for him from the players and other driven achievers at the Club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 Genuine question, how did Cortese go from banning all press from saint Mary's ( didn't the sun refer to us as "the south coast club in red") to having so many friends in the media? That's a massive u-turn, thought he was famous for his stubbornness? We got in the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 25 May, 2014 Share Posted 25 May, 2014 You mean some sort statement perhaps? Perhaps he'd call the media in and told them exactly where we are how comfortable he is with the situation as well as reiterate the SFC policy of not commenting on every piece of speciation that would be great, but he has caused the speculation by his own interview. If he didn't realise his words would cause the fans unrest then he is not that clever.....or he is going to pull a rabbit out of the hat and keep MP etc and go 'tar rar' aren't I a clever sod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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