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Yes. And very, very quickly as the sh1t is about to hit the fan... We're not too far off a nice letter explaining the implosion as part of a "vision". All fart, no sh1t #homeiswheretheheartis

 

Too be honest, I think the question is really do we want to go back to where we were ? If that were the case then yes of course. For me Cortese's ability to get things done from a footballing perspective outweighed his overall ruthless edge and dont get me wrong, I know the man settles for nothing but his way as Ive come up against him.

 

Realistically though is he left (or was sacked) knowing that KL no longer wished to openly fund any more of the progression. We were at the end of the 5 year project dont forget. It all sort of makes sense when you think about it.

Perhaps money was put aside to fund the 5 year plan, now its ended then the budget stops, thats a reasonable assumption no ? And now KL is not worried about funding the next level, which means whether NC was here or not the funding may not be either?

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NC is just lucky that his £2m+ a yar salary allows him to walk away from his job and put his feet up in Milan for a few months, most of us don't have that luxury I'm afraid.

 

But we can move on to another challenge.

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Oh no 'Brett'!!! The players and manger were sold a 'vision' by someone who didn't believe in it enough to see it thorough himself!! What happened to his claims of knowing other people that would invest in the club if the owners didn't share his ambitions? Surely not more bullsh*t :lol:

 

the players sold us that vision. They kept telling us they wanted it with saints. They told us time and time again

at the first hurdle, looks like the ******* skipper cant wait to jump ship

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Chaps chaps chaps! Calm down!! Cortese told us that he knew plenty of other people willing to step in if the owners didn't match his ambition. We're clearly just waiting for then to ride into town with the billions in their sky rocket and normal service will be resumed :lol:

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the players sold us that vision. They kept telling us they wanted it with saints. They told us time and time again

at the first hurdle, looks like the ******* skipper cant wait to jump ship

 

He has not said he wants to go! He has just gone off to the World Cup!

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Right he left because his and the boards vision did not match! Done! Now it looks like we do not have a vision, or the board are trying to figure one out. While this goes on everyone, the manager, players and fans are in limbo!

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Right he left because his and the boards vision did not match! Done! Now it looks like we do not have a vision, or the board are trying to figure one out. While this goes on everyone, the manager, players and fans are in limbo!

How did they not match?

 

Cortese wanted a club that lived within its means and brought players through, while supplementing them with signings from monies the club earned.

 

Are you saying the club now don't support that? That they have a vision that is different to living within our own means and relying on youth?

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so, despite no one having the first clue as to why NC left

a few keeping telling everyone he legged it as the money ran out and that is now taken as fact

 

if that is the case, where is this quoted

 

cheers

 

What is a fact Delldays, is that he quit. Only a few months after telling all and sundry we were heading to the Champions League (another fact). Big promise, then jacked it in.

 

He quit. Fact.

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What is a fact Delldays, is that he quit. Only a few months after telling all and sundry we were heading to the Champions League (another fact). Big promise, then jacked it in.

 

He quit. Fact.

where did it say he quit?

serious question as I have been away when most of this was unfolding

 

 

and where does it say he quit because the money ran out, which is being presented as 'FACT"

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Actually I'd quite like him back just to see how he copes without a budget and top players demanding a move.................... I think he jumped ship at just the right moment and he knows it to

Good point! We all know that when players get in the England squad and start hanging around with the likes of Gerrard and Rooney, they start to get itchy feet. It's very easy to say that he would have turned down every bid when he knows we can't prove otherwise. He also voted against the Financial Fair Play regulations that limit how much you can increase the wage bill in the Premier League - this makes it far more difficult to do a Man City now, and effectively confirms the status quo. Any progress has to be more gradual than he would have liked. Besides, it never was his money and eventually any owner would have reigned him in.

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where did it say he quit?

serious question as I have been away when most of this was unfolding

 

 

and where does it say he quit because the money ran out, which is being presented as 'FACT"

 

Two options 'Brett'

 

 

Either he quit and ran away as fast as his built up shoes could carry him only months after being backed to the tune of £35m plus wages and tell anyone who would listen we were off to the champions league

 

Or is it two

 

He was sacked. Why? Was he spending money he wasn't authorised to do? Were his bosses not buying I to his 'vision' which means it want a vision at all just bullsh*t? He said himself he'd have to find another way to ask 'not if we can win the premier league but how'

 

So either hes a quitter or a liar.

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You lot? I've never said anything of the sort.

 

could it not be equally possible that (like the players, some of who appear to be quitting), cortese was also fed a lie by KL about money coming in?

 

 

nah, that wont sit right with a few of you

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Two options 'Brett'

 

 

Either he quit and ran away as fast as his built up shoes could carry him only months after being backed to the tune of £35m plus wages and tell anyone who would listen we were off to the champions league

 

Or is it two

 

He was sacked. Why? Was he spending money he wasn't authorised to do? Were his bosses not buying I to his 'vision' which means it want a vision at all just bullsh*t? He said himself he'd have to find another way to ask 'not if we can win the premier league but how'

 

Do either he a quitter or a liar.

It's very odd.

 

For some time on here there was a recognition that the club had a brilliant plan to achieve as much as it could while living within its own means, not racking up debt, bringing players through from the youth team and creating "The Southampton Way", a new inventive way of taking on the big clubs.

 

It now seems that the posters who went along with that have been superseded by a growing number who want to criticise the board for "not showing ambition" and not funding a spending spree well beyond our means in order to hit that previous Champions League dream. And that, somehow, this "lack of ambition" if the polar opposite of how Cortese expected to achieve the vision.

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could it not be equally possible that (like the players, some of who appear to be quitting), cortese was also fed a lie by KL about money coming in?

 

 

nah, that wont sit right with a few of you

 

Hang on a minute, cortese has said the players all bought into his 'vision'

Cortese told us that the players wouldn't leave if he was still here. So why is Kat lying?

cortese had also said if the owners didn't back his vision he knew others that did. So where the f*ck are they?!!

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Hang on a minute, cortese has said the players all bought into his 'vision'

Cortese told us that the players wouldn't leave if he was still here. So why is Kat lying?

cortese had also said if the owners didn't back his vision he knew others that did. So where the f*ck are they?!!

maybe, the ego he has, is trying to take ownership of the whole lot that has happened at the club, aferall, he was just an employee

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where did it say he quit?

serious question as I have been away when most of this was unfolding

 

 

and where does it say he quit because the money ran out, which is being presented as 'FACT"

 

In the statement the club gave where they accepted his resignation. ie he resigned. On my planet the colloquial term for that is "quit".

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maybe, the ego he has, is trying to take ownership of the whole lot that has happened at the club, aferall, he was just an employee

 

That's the most spot on thing you've said ever 'Brett' he was just an employee, hence why he was able to quit. Well done for recognising he was a department head like everyone else

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where does it say because the money ran out. you lot keep going on as if it is a fact?

maybe it was HER intention to press on for CL? could that be a FACT?

 

Who is "you lot"? Cortese quitting because KL refused to commit financially to the CL push is the most common theory given by the pro - Cortese members of the forum.

 

So "you lot" is who lot exactly?

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That's the most spot on thing you've said ever 'Brett' he was just an employee, hence why he was able to quit. Well done for recognising he was a department head like everyone else

 

so, he could have easily been mis-sold a vision himself.

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maybe he is just taking more credit than he should?

 

So for someone demanding facts in Cortese's honour, you've ended up speculating that the vision wasn't his but someone else's after all. What a con - man he was, then.

 

You don't half tie yourself in knots, Delldays.

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for better or worse cortese had grand ambitions for the club whether or not we would have ever reached the level he was aiming for ie champions league etc we will never know but you have to admire his drive! is it better to aim high and fail then to settle for mid table mediocrity? or does it really not matter where saints are in the table? I guess it all balances out as yes he made some bad decisions but overall you'd have to admit hes been one of if not our most successful chairmen

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Funny...The bitter Rat Pack were telling us just a month or two ago that Cortese was fired, cast iron 'fact' they said. Too many complaints about him, poor commercial performance etc etc they said....Now it's..... he bottled it/quit/left/walked/ etc...You couldn't make it up, but no surprise for this place.

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for better or worse cortese had grand ambitions for the club whether or not we would have ever reached the level he was aiming for ie champions league etc we will never know but you have to admire his drive! is it better to aim high and fail then to settle for mid table mediocrity? or does it really not matter where saints are in the table? I guess it all balances out as yes he made some bad decisions but overall you'd have to admit hes been one of if not our most successful chairmen

 

Yup. We will realise just how good he was over the next few weeks of prevaracation and white flag - raising by the new rabble.

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Cortese was never spending KL´s money, can we get that out of the way please?

 

He might have spent Southampton FC´s (or whatever the name is of the company) money but KL has always had the option of not transfer more money to the club or turning loans into equity (spelling?) if she didn´t want to herself.....(that might have put us in the sh*t if she would´ve blocked those things but I´m fairly sure this is all back to what Markus wanted rather than anything else)

 

And people go on about the commercial side....yes that wasn´t very strong but in what position do you think you can increase that side the most, when you´re trying to get up the leagues to PL or when you have shown you´re a top 10 PL team?

He probably recognised that, and correctly so, the Sky Money is so much more money than the commercial side will ever bring in so he focused on building the best team possible and I would believe that once we were in the position we are in today with a top 8 finish, then you can focus more on the commercial side.

 

Good quote and the thoughts I had exactly, focus on where the strength is and worry about the rest later. L1 and championship commercial is not too much to shout about. Once established in Pl a different ball game.

Although we did not like everything about him, I had confidence in him that we were heading in the right direction and he would not let anything at stand in his way. So Yes.

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Bring him back--and quick, before we lose the team and manager he gave us. His record of unequalled success speaks for itself as does the £83million we've just scooped from the Premiership; five years ago this week we were in administration and in the third tier and bootom of it. Bring him back!

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so, despite no one having the first clue as to why NC left

a few keeping telling everyone he legged it as the money ran out and that is now taken as fact

 

if that is the case, where is this quoted

 

cheers

 

Dont you know? If Turkish keeps repeating it on any thread that the 'dwarf' bottled it, it will become fact no matter what....

 

I am just interested to know why he thinks a CEO leaving a company because the shareholder will not agree either to fund or support the business strategy is such a weird and 'bottling' thing... When it's common in business. But then this is a perrson who is most happy making up pathetic insults about 'drunk' posters and thinks it's funny, as opposed to just showing what a rather nasty piece of work he is...

 

Its loke the the 'bankrolled by KL myth' that he also pedals and hopes becomes 'fact' (well gullible followers of his like Hypo believe it to be the case ...) when to date it's only been the 33 mil equity conversion including the 13 mil originally paid to creditors - the money most would accept Markus put aside for the promotion push... Since then it's been budgeted from the clubs revenue.... But hey when Turks says it's fact, there is no need to produce any balance sheets or accounts to show capital injections from KL...

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Kat have him £35m to spend in the summer so it wasn't money. Why does it 'seem he couldn't get the backing to take the club forward' he said in his interview this week that he knew we didn't have the finances to compete with the big boys so he had to find another way. He acknowledged that himself so he knew where he was in terms of finances. He quit. Maybe the 'Other way' wasn't doable and his 'vision' wasn't a vision at all, as he didn't have the backing to see it through and quit. Like it or lump it, he quit, only months after him and the players and manager telling everyone who would listen we were destined for the champions league.

 

Classic, is there an answer in that somewhere?

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Dont you know? If Turkish keeps repeating it on any thread that the 'dwarf' bottled it, it will become fact no matter what....

 

I am just interested to know why he thinks a CEO leaving a company because the shareholder will not agree either to fund or support the business strategy is such a weird and 'bottling' thing... When it's common in business. But then this is a perrson who is most happy making up pathetic insults about 'drunk' posters and thinks it's funny, as opposed to just showing what a rather nasty piece of work he is...

 

Its loke the the 'bankrolled by KL myth' that he also pedals and hopes becomes 'fact' (well gullible followers of his like Hypo believe it to be the case ...) when to date it's only been the 33 mil equity conversion including the 13 mil originally paid to creditors - the money most would accept Markus put aside for the promotion push... Since then it's been budgeted from the clubs revenue.... But hey when Turks says it's fact, there is no need to produce any balance sheets or accounts to show capital injections from KL...

 

Your blasé attitude to "only" £46m quid as not being bankrolled through two divisions just shows how divorced from reality to actually are. You think that's just normal spending for L1 and Championship clubs, do you? And you've got the cheek to mock that as a "myth".

 

And Cortese quitting because if lack of funding or disagreement over strategy is a bottle job. If you are going to go on Sky Sports and the Daily Mail peddling your vision to all and sundry, if you are going to honk out your "ask not if, but how" cliché all over the shop....Then probably best to not then walk out on that "vision" and that "how" merely a couple of months later.

 

Because that demonstrates conclusively one of two things, if not both:

 

a) superficial commitment to the vision, leaving at the first sign of adversity

 

b) no grasp of the "how" at all, because aligning your boss with the vision is step one on the "how" list. And quitting is also not "how" anyway.

 

He quit Franko. He quit. That is a simple fact. Massive vision speeches is easy if your commitment to them is so flimsy you stroll out saying what might have been within months.

 

So remind me, what are these

myths again?

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Cortese did a great job in getting us so much more cash this year. Such a great job, that he even got a lot more than the bottom club (Cardiff earn more TV cash than champions Man Utd did in 2013, http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/27411682)

 

Get real: there are clubs bigger than us, clubs similar to us and clubs smaller than us. We ended the season doing just fine with Cortese. If he was all it was about then why is he not now, or was he not then, with Man U who despite finishing above us, had a ****ty season by all accounts.

 

And as for "don't sell players", for FFS sake all clubs buy and sell, the trick is to end up with a better squad for less money. If someone offerred 100 million for each of lallana and shaw who would not take it? You could replace them and more and still have money left over.

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Your blasé attitude to "only" £46m quid as not being bankrolled through two divisions just shows how divorced from reality to actually are. You think that's just normal spending for L1 and Championship clubs, do you? And you've got the cheek to mock that as a "myth".

 

And Cortese quitting because if lack of funding or disagreement over strategy is a bottle job. If you are going to go on Sky Sports and the Daily Mail peddling your vision to all and sundry, if you are going to honk out your "ask not if, but how" cliché all over the shop....Then probably best to not then walk out on that "vision" and that "how" merely a couple of months later.

 

Because that demonstrates conclusively one of two things, if not both:

 

a) superficial commitment to the vision, leaving at the first sign of adversity

 

b) no grasp of the "how" at all, because aligning your boss with the vision is step one on the "how" list. And quitting is also not "how" anyway.

 

He quit Franko. He quit. That is a simple fact. Massive vision speeches is easy if your commitment to them is so flimsy you stroll out saying what might have been within months.

 

So remind me, what are these

myths again?

 

Yup. "When the going gets tough, the tough get going." And Cortese got going, packing his bag, spitting the dummy and off to his (spiritual home?) of Milan

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Your blasé attitude to "only" £46m quid as not being bankrolled through two divisions just shows how divorced from reality to actually are. You think that's just normal spending for L1 and Championship clubs, do you? And you've got the cheek to mock that as a "myth".

 

And Cortese quitting because if lack of funding or disagreement over strategy is a bottle job. If you are going to go on Sky Sports and the Daily Mail peddling your vision to all and sundry, if you are going to honk out your "ask not if, but how" cliché all over the shop....Then probably best to not then walk out on that "vision" and that "how" merely a couple of months later.

 

Because that demonstrates conclusively one of two things, if not both:

 

a) superficial commitment to the vision, leaving at the first sign of adversity

 

b) no grasp of the "how" at all, because aligning your boss with the vision is step one on the "how" list. And quitting is also not "how" anyway.

 

He quit Franko. He quit. That is a simple fact. Massive vision speeches is easy if your commitment to them is so flimsy you stroll out saying what might have been within months.

 

So remind me, what are these

myths again?

 

hah just shows what a dumb feck you are, once again responding in your rather bitter and twisted angy way without haing bothered to read, comprehend or absorb anything from the post.... 46mil? The 33 mill equity conversion INCLUDED the original 13mil that Marcus was paying creditors.... The ONL reason why KL was involved in that equity conversion so much later was because of the length probate period following Markus's sad early death.

 

There is nothing blasé about pointing out that Markus would have intended this to bespectacled as he always hinted the appropriate budget would be made available.... Markus was a man of means who considered his 13mil takeover a 'rather modest investment' ....

 

you can't just wind it in can you? , obsessed with steamrolling your sarcastic, bitter opinion over all... Without even bothering to actually read what anyone else thinks or understand why they hold differing views to your own....

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hah just shows what a dumb feck you are, once again responding in your rather bitter and twisted angy way without haing bothered to read, comprehend or absorb anything from the post.... 46mil? The 33 mill equity conversion INCLUDED the original 13mil that Marcus was paying creditors.... The ONL reason why KL was involved in that equity conversion so much later was because of the length probate period following Markus's sad early death.

 

There is nothing blasé about pointing out that Markus would have intended this to bespectacled as he always hinted the appropriate budget would be made available.... Markus was a man of means who considered his 13mil takeover a 'rather modest investment' ....

 

you can't just wind it in can you? , obsessed with steamrolling your sarcastic, bitter opinion over all... Without even bothering to actually read what anyone else thinks or understand why they hold differing views to your own....

 

A billionaire bankrolled us through two divisions, that's a fact. I am able to appreciate and enjoy that, not sneeringly dismiss it as a myth.

 

Call me names if it makes you feel better, sweetheart.

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Dont you know? If Turkish keeps repeating it on any thread that the 'dwarf' bottled it, it will become fact no matter what....

 

I am just interested to know why he thinks a CEO leaving a company because the shareholder will not agree either to fund or support the business strategy is such a weird and 'bottling' thing... When it's common in business. But then this is a perrson who is most happy making up pathetic insults about 'drunk' posters and thinks it's funny, as opposed to just showing what a rather nasty piece of work he is...

 

Its loke the the 'bankrolled by KL myth' that he also pedals and hopes becomes 'fact' (well gullible followers of his like Hypo believe it to be the case ...) when to date it's only been the 33 mil equity conversion including the 13 mil originally paid to creditors - the money most would accept Markus put aside for the promotion push... Since then it's been budgeted from the clubs revenue.... But hey when Turks says it's fact, there is no need to produce any balance sheets or accounts to show capital injections from KL...

 

Franco, I didn't make up your drink problems, you told us about them when, after yet another foul mouthed outburst, you admitted you'd downed a bottle of wine prior to coming on here. If it's not true then why does it bother you so much? You're like the little boy at school crying because all the other kids say he's got fleas.

 

Anyway, ignoring your personal problems for a second, who could forget this time last year when your hero was 'considering his position'? Yet a few weeks later everyone was in love again and he was backed to the tune of £35m so laughable your claims he wasn't backed by the owners.

 

Your hero admits that he needed to find another way to compete with the top clubs, not if but how, remember. Yet despite being backed with tens of millions of pounds and months more 'vision' 'ambition' and champions league boasts he was off as soon as his built up shoes could carry him.

 

He quit Franco. He walked out on 'his baby' he didn't believe in his 'vision'. His 'ambition' was misplaced.

 

I know you still cry yourself to sleep every night with his picture under your pillow but he's gone.

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But he's not gone...

He's still out there quietly briefing media on Southampton issues, and now through interviews.

Meltdown, crisis?

 

I liked much of what he achieved at SMS, he was a vital part of the journey, though I was often uncomfortable with some of his actions.

But now, for me his stock falls a little more with every tabloid PR campaign.

 

 

Hopefully he'll get a new job, stop talking to pet journalists, and we can all move on.

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