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Mr X

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absolutely I would want him back, its better the devil you know (unless that devil is named Rupert!!!), who cares if he was frosty with the media and a controlling diva, he got results and people were beginning to respect sfc again. Now we are left in uncertainty and kreuger can talk the talk but can he walk the walk

St Marco

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Do you still think KL is going to be milking the club for its money?

 

That question cannot be answered until the new season starts. If we sell players and don't buy any or any of quality then maybe. If we don't sell, we add to the squad then it's a clear no.

But right now there a few indicators which can easily point to her intentions being to do so. Appointment of people with no business knowledge, no football knowledge. Losing Addidas and taking on a potential low cost sponsor. The removal of academy staff etc. Add to that all the rumours about our future. I think most people would agree the current board has acted a bit amateurish in a few things they have done recently.

 

The other thing I don't understand (maybe I am think) is this whole "spend his own money" thing. How many chairman spend their own money exactly? Levy doesn't spend his at Spurs, Avram doesn't spend his at Man Utd, Keswich doesn't spend his at Arsenal, Buck doesn't spend his at Chelsea and so on.

The chairman is there to run the club and be the bridge between the owner and the club. They will implement the owners wishes/desires on how that club should run. What I find alarming about those kind of comments is are they suggesting KL should no longer invest in the club? That KL should stop spending money and get us to a point where we only use what we earn? If they want this then wouldn't it be wise for her to sell now while the club is at it's peak and let someone else then take on the responsibility of the club?

ToreSF

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Well our owner is worth 3 times as much as Liverpool's so why not give it a try?

 

If that is right, and if its true she shares her fathers ambitions for the club, then there really shouldn't be a problem to persuade the players and Pochettino to stay and push on for top 6 or 4.

 

From the looks of it, she either doesn't have the funds, or she doesn't know what she's doing. Or both.

ToreSF

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That question cannot be answered until the new season starts. If we sell players and don't buy any or any of quality then maybe. If we don't sell, we add to the squad then it's a clear no.

But right now there a few indicators which can easily point to her intentions being to do so. Appointment of people with no business knowledge, no football knowledge. Losing Addidas and taking on a potential low cost sponsor. The removal of academy staff etc. Add to that all the rumours about our future. I think most people would agree the current board has acted a bit amateurish in a few things they have done recently.

 

The other thing I don't understand (maybe I am think) is this whole "spend his own money" thing. How many chairman spend their own money exactly? Levy doesn't spend his at Spurs, Avram doesn't spend his at Man Utd, Keswich doesn't spend his at Arsenal, Buck doesn't spend his at Chelsea and so on.

The chairman is there to run the club and be the bridge between the owner and the club. They will implement the owners wishes/desires on how that club should run. What I find alarming about those kind of comments is are they suggesting KL should no longer invest in the club? That KL should stop spending money and get us to a point where we only use what we earn? If they want this then wouldn't it be wise for her to sell now while the club is at it's peak and let someone else then take on the responsibility of the club?

 

I think you're speaking sense again. What do we actually know about KL's wealth?

Gambol2K9

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I know for a fact that Katharina has really enjoyed being at the club and has got far more involved than she ever thought she would. Ralph is apparently thought of as a bit too 'nice' for football by some of the staff

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I think you're speaking sense again. What do we actually know about KL's wealth?

 

Not sure anyone knows a whole lot about her financial situation, I am almost certain that Saints are now her biggest financial asset post liquidation of the Mali businesses so it's no surprised that she wanted more direct control one we got to the prem. I'm not sure we can call her a particularly wealthy owner as an individual.

Noodles34

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I think you're speaking sense again. What do we actually know about KL's wealth?

 

I heard that she was going to appearing on the fortthcoming Southampton Benefits Street

Joensuu

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The new board haven't filled me with confidence. An unequivocal Yes for me.

 

 

Cortese was selling Lambert, and he was reluctantly going to Wham. Which was a factor in him being removed from office. He was also too good at spending KL 's money, without her having much of a say.
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shurlock

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Cortese was selling Lambert, and he was reluctantly going to Wham. Which was a factor in him being removed from office. He was also too good at spending KL 's money, without her having much of a say.

Perhaps KL wanting more of a say in how her money was spent and her financial constraints on him, encouraged him to try and cash in on Lambert.

What it does show is Cortese was full of bull****e, and he would sell players if he felt like it.

He was also not very financially prudent.

 

I was was a supporter of NC for some time, but his Napoleon attitude, and the way he ignored his own statements on player sales etc. his destroying morale amongst the workers at St Mary's etc have convinced me.

 

Definitely NO!

 

The proposed Lambert transfer was a strategic choice, that is, where we were in the driving seat. £7-8m or whatever was offered for Rickie was certainly food for thought.

Sour Mash

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That question cannot be answered until the new season starts. If we sell players and don't buy any or any of quality then maybe. If we don't sell, we add to the squad then it's a clear no.

But right now there a few indicators which can easily point to her intentions being to do so. Appointment of people with no business knowledge, no football knowledge. Losing Addidas and taking on a potential low cost sponsor. The removal of academy staff etc. Add to that all the rumours about our future. I think most people would agree the current board has acted a bit amateurish in a few things they have done recently.

 

The other thing I don't understand (maybe I am think) is this whole "spend his own money" thing. How many chairman spend their own money exactly? Levy doesn't spend his at Spurs, Avram doesn't spend his at Man Utd, Keswich doesn't spend his at Arsenal, Buck doesn't spend his at Chelsea and so on.

The chairman is there to run the club and be the bridge between the owner and the club. They will implement the owners wishes/desires on how that club should run. What I find alarming about those kind of comments is are they suggesting KL should no longer invest in the club? That KL should stop spending money and get us to a point where we only use what we earn? If they want this then wouldn't it be wise for her to sell now while the club is at it's peak and let someone else then take on the responsibility of the club?

So there is a big queue of owners that not only want to buy the club, but want to sink hundreds of millions of pounds of their own money in taking us to the Champions League? You reckon?
croydonsaint

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Ok, I am in the minority but I will measure him against for instance how he treated Nigel Adkins. Also the way he disrespected our history. I know others will measure him against the successes of the last 5 years and I do accept that I may be wrong, but I do not accept that we should turn a blind eye to such matters because of other things going well. I would not want a person like that connected with my club and would feel disappointed if he was ever connected with us in any way again.

He has done very well out of his connection with us so lets not shed a tear for him.

alpine_saint

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Ok, I am in the minority but I will measure him against for instance how he treated Nigel Adkins. Also the way he disrespected our history. I know others will measure him against the successes of the last 5 years and I do accept that I may be wrong, but I do not accept that we should turn a blind eye to such matters because of other things going well. I would not want a person like that connected with my club and would feel disappointed if he was ever connected with us in any way again.

He has done very well out of his connection with us so lets not shed a tear for him.

 

You forgot how he abandoned the stripes :rolleyes:

hasper57saint

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From a very reliable source (don't even bother 'cos I'm not telling you!) Cortese treated long-serving Staff with contempt.My source was on first name terms with everyone as he considered they were all employees of SFC but Cortese thought HE was SFC and there's the difference. Want him back? No!

alpine_saint

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From a very reliable source (don't even bother 'cos I'm not telling you!) Cortese treated long-serving Staff with contempt.My source was on first name terms with everyone as he considered they were all employees of SFC but Cortese thought HE was SFC and there's the difference. Want him back? No!

 

Maybe they deserved it. I've always thought the back-rooms at SFc were populated by a cosy clique not exactly dynamic and ambitious. Maybe they needed dragging into the 21st Century.

OldNick

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Ok, I am in the minority but I will measure him against for instance how he treated Nigel Adkins. Also the way he disrespected our history. I know others will measure him against the successes of the last 5 years and I do accept that I may be wrong, but I do not accept that we should turn a blind eye to such matters because of other things going well. I would not want a person like that connected with my club and would feel disappointed if he was ever connected with us in any way again.

He has done very well out of his connection with us so lets not shed a tear for him.

Perhaps his treatment of NA was severe, is there an easy way to sack somebody for a better option? Dont forget we did NA massive good as well and i suspect he is quite wealthy due to his tenure.
doddisalegend

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Actually I'd quite like him back just to see how he copes without a budget and top players demanding a move.................... I think he jumped ship at just the right moment and he knows it to

hasper57saint

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Maybe they deserved it. I've always thought the back-rooms at SFc were populated by a cosy clique not exactly dynamic and ambitious. Maybe they needed dragging into the 21st Century.

 

Absolutely not Alps. A little bit of courtesy goes a long way and it was never Corteses strong point.As far as the backroom Staff are concerned they dealt with him on a daily basis but the 'lesser mortals' were totally blanked.I am ITK on this one believe me.

Dr Who?

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At the blink of an eye! Delivered all that he wanted. We will never know what we would have achieved over the next 2 seasons with the backing of the board.

The Kraken

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At the blink of an eye! Delivered all that he wanted. We will never know what we would have achieved over the next 2 seasons with the backing of the board.

Well no; because, as it turns out, he didn't have it.

Dr Who?

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I also do not understand why you do not push the boat out a bit, if you have the money. If you do not, then what is the point? You are never going to make money, unless they put the club up for sale.

 

Come on the board, stump up the cash, push on or put the for sale signs up! Perhaps they will stump up?

Dr Who?

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Well no; because, as it turns out, he didn't have it.

 

That's right and that is why he left. This is why our manager may leave and our top players. Whoever is chairman, they need the serious backing to push on or we will be back to lower half premier league football again. Why can we not push on?

Turkish

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Do bears sh*t in the woods ?

 

YES.

 

And be run like a seaside b&b again? No chance pal

 

And no way do I want a quitter running my club. What happens when he doesn't get his way again? He'll run for the hills and blame everyone else.

CB Fry

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At the blink of an eye! Delivered all that he wanted. We will never know what we would have achieved over the next 2 seasons with the backing of the board.

 

Who knows what he could have achieved if he maintained his stomach to deliver Champions League football within a sustainable budget, instead of scarpering at the first sign of adversity.

The Kraken

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That's right and that is why he left. This is why our manager may leave and our top players. Whoever is chairman, they need the serious backing to push on or we will be back to lower half premier league football again. Why can we not push on?

He "left" because his objectives were different to the owner, who had funded his previous ambitions. In any case, you talk about "ambition", but Cortese's ambition was always for the club to live within its means, to not spend money it didn't earn. Did you not support that ideal? He spoke about it often enough for us to realise it started out as his long term goal. Odd that now the board are being criticised for going against that plan.

angelman

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Only if he had Katharina Leibherr's full backing, otherwise no point.

 

This. And expanding that, he would have to accept that she is the boss and that he is not sole director of SFC to run it how he wants and unaccountably.

Dr Who?

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And be run like a seaside b&b again? No chance pal

 

And no way do I want a quitter running my club. What happens when he doesn't get his way again? He'll run for the hills and blame everyone else.

 

That is bull****. It seems like he could not get the backing to take the club forward. I do not know what backing this was, money? Keeping the players? Bigger wages budget? Extending the ground, or the area around the ground? I just do not know.

 

But like the players, if they feel we cannot push on, they will move on. If I become static in my job, I will move on. It is not about quitting, it is about ambition!

Batman

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And be run like a seaside b&b again? No chance pal

 

And no way do I want a quitter running my club. What happens when he doesn't get his way again? He'll run for the hills and blame everyone else.

 

like most of the players then

and the manager

Dr Who?

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He "left" because his objectives were different to the owner, who had funded his previous ambitions. In any case, you talk about "ambition", but Cortese's ambition was always for the club to live within its means, to not spend money it didn't earn. Did you not support that ideal? He spoke about it often enough for us to realise it started out as his long term goal. Odd that now the board are being criticised for going against that plan.

 

But you can only get so far with out the money and we are obviously at this point now. You can only produce a certain amount of youth players that will cut it. Yes we have been successful with this, but we need to keep them together and at a couple of world class players and we could have taken the step into Europe.

 

I believe the owners wanted to shift a few players on..... I really have no ides, but one thing is for sure, NC was fantastic for our club, so yes I would welcome him back!

Turkish

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That is bull****. It seems like he could not get the backing to take the club forward. I do not know what backing this was, money? Keeping the players? Bigger wages budget? Extending the ground, or the area around the ground? I just do not know.

 

But like the players, if they feel we cannot push on, they will move on. If I become static in my job, I will move on. It is not about quitting, it is about ambition!

 

Kat have him £35m to spend in the summer so it wasn't money. Why does it 'seem he couldn't get the backing to take the club forward' he said in his interview this week that he knew we didn't have the finances to compete with the big boys so he had to find another way. He acknowledged that himself so he knew where he was in terms of finances. He quit. Maybe the 'Other way' wasn't doable and his 'vision' wasn't a vision at all, as he didn't have the backing to see it through and quit. Like it or lump it, he quit, only months after him and the players and manager telling everyone who would listen we were destined for the champions league.

Sour Mash

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That is bull****. It seems like he could not get the backing to take the club forward. I do not know what backing this was, money? Keeping the players? Bigger wages budget? Extending the ground, or the area around the ground? I just do not know.

 

But like the players, if they feel we cannot push on, they will move on. If I become static in my job, I will move on. It is not about quitting, it is about ambition!

NC is just lucky that his £2m+ a yar salary allows him to walk away from his job and put his feet up in Milan for a few months, most of us don't have that luxury I'm afraid.
Batman

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Like most of the players what?

 

looks like shaw and lallana are turning their backs on us also

morgan admits he is open to a move

Dr Who?

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like most of the players then

and the manager

 

Because they do not see progression, what can you not see? If we still had the vision together as one, they would stay. The whole concept that the club bought into, to get us from league 1 to where we are now. We all were together as one. It seems we are struggling to keep this vision together, but there is obviously work going on behind the scenes to keep the vision together!

Turkish

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like most of the players then

and the manager

 

Oh no 'Brett'!!! The players and manger were sold a 'vision' by someone who didn't believe in it enough to see it thorough himself!! What happened to his claims of knowing other people that would invest in the club if the owners didn't share his ambitions? Surely not more bullsh*t :lol:

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