Lowe and WH Ireland: Why the connection is pivitol for our club

[OldNick]

Now Nicholas I would have thought you would know better than to bite like that. You obviously don't read my posts if you feel that your flippant statement in bold is accurate. As I have said many times and will say it again for you in case you are having a little memory trouble I see it like this..

 

Firstly, I do not believe Crouch and Co were heading in the right direction however I do believe they were acting as 'fans' in the way they ran the Club. It was clearly not a sustainable policy however. Wilde to me is the biggest gremlin in the whole equation who rode in on his trusty stead announcing how he would save the Club from the evil Lowe. It didn't work out, his board decided he was not up to the job and he left. Five minutes later he's aligning himself with Lowe. It could only happen at SFC. The man can have no credibility and I think Lowe realises this which is why he remains the mouthpiece of the club both on football and more corporate level matters. I'm sure you will point to the occasional press release from Wilde but they are on pretty minor matters.

 

As for Lowe then I believe he is a good businessman and with football becoming a 'business' in recent years then the fit is there. If, however you believe he has returned to SFC for any other reason that to protect his investment (share holding) then I'm 100% sure you are sadly mistaken.

 

Athough he has been trumpeted for his cost cutting skills this is really a very simple task. A more difficult task is to make those needed cost reductions and in parallel maintain a team that is competitive. The Holy Grail is the Premiership and that must be the objective. Only last weekend the TV pundits were discussing the real possibility that League 1 and 2 clubs may need to go part time in the not too distant future. Football is in danger of imploding but that's another thread altogether.

 

I try and consider all the available information when I form an opinion and I have no allegiance to any of the previous or current leaders of our club. I do however want to see the very best outcome for SFC as I'm sure we all do. What I do object to however is that some are so unwavering in their support of certain regimes that they become blinkered and unable to make objective considerations and see the wood from the trees.

 

Thankyou Greenridge, my post got you out of your box and you put out an arguement that I believe in as well, although only up to a point.

Iam not unwavering in support of RL but will not sit and let some of the mistruths develop.If MW had not come on himself that false rumour about not being at the game would have become fact. I again was appalled that the slurs against GB regarding his drinking should be allowed to fester.Because nobody came on to deny it gave people to believe it as true.(Im not saying he didnt like a drink by the way, but the falsehoods of him being drunk at worketc).

Fans running a club was always going to be a nonsense and I warned that having 4-5 businessmen with all thier egos was never going to work out.You need 1 vision and be brave enough to adhere to it.

For me RL's arrogance that he is correct is our way forward.He has come back deciding that he isnt going to be swayed by fans, and go for it his way.If the fans dont follow he has lost little because he gets the blame whether it was his decision or not.

He has grasped the nettle and taken the stick and I do admire that as many would have gone for the 'nice way' to appease.

Once we are stable then we may be attractive to a buyer but more importantly as a fan I think we may be attractive to watch, attacki8ng wise anyway.

The way the forwards did their interplay was a beauty to behold on tues night.I understand that was mainly after Stern came on and it was Exeter but I believe the forwards quick minds and movement will cause problems to many higher class defences.

As for the PL you are deceiving yourself if you really believe wee can get there in the next 5 years without big money coming into the club.

I see it as, the club will develop the youngsters and their sale will keep us going, MCg will start to get clubs attention and before a year is out he will be gone to balance the books.This will be the common theme in our future watching the team. Enjopy the kids playing and if that gets us success then that is a bonus.At present survival is our number 1 aim.

[Victor]

No doubt Rupert Lowe's rating as a businessman is a matter that is open to opinion, but I doubt that Camberwell Saint is neither qualified as a psychologist nor party to any information about about RL's mental state but presumably that was just QUOTE]

 

'doubt Camberwell Saint is neither ... nor'

 

Are you a professor of English? If so, can you convince me that you are not, in fact, saying the opposite of what you intend?

[Wes Tender]

but Wes you fell for the very stereotype, because him mentioning flat capps yuo immediately thought he was meaning working class.

We are all guilty of jumping on things that can be put to set us up.

 

No Nick, from what he said and the context of it, I was able to discern correctly that it was he was being stereotypical and disdainful of the working class, whatever that currently might be. Or do you mistakenly believe that the Northam or people who are generally critical of Lowe are the aristos who wear the flat caps when they go hunting or other country pursuits?

 

Was your mispelling of cap a freudian slip, as Andy Capp is probably the most stereotypical working class wearer of the flat cap?

[Big Bad Bob]

No doubt Rupert Lowe's rating as a businessman is a matter that is open to opinion, but I doubt that Camberwell Saint is neither qualified as a psychologist nor party to any information about about RL's mental state but presumably that was just

 

'doubt Camberwell Saint is neither ... nor'

 

Are you a professor of English? If so, can you convince me that you are not, in fact, saying the opposite of what you intend?

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningenglish/grammar/learnit/learnitv166.shtml

 

neither…nor

 

Neither…nor are used together when we want to link two negative ideas:

 

* When I spoke to him, he neither smiled nor looked at me.

* Neither the chairman nor the treasurer was / were able to attend the meeting.

* Don't bother preparing dessert because neither Jane nor Julie eat / eats anything sweet.

[Scummer]

So by saying that you doubt someone is neither....nor, you are actually saying that you think they are that thing.

[OldNick]

No Nick, from what he said and the context of it, I was able to discern correctly that it was he was being stereotypical and disdainful of the working class, whatever that currently might be. Or do you mistakenly believe that the Northam or people who are generally critical of Lowe are the aristos who wear the flat caps when they go hunting or other country pursuits?

 

Was your mispelling of cap a freudian slip, as Andy Capp is probably the most stereotypical working class wearer of the flat cap?

No I dont fall into the trap believing that only working class people dislike RL.Scooby cleverly knows that by seemingly being aloof that it infact works in his favour as it immedaitely puts some fans backs up.

I have suspected all along that he is not from the 'Toff' classes but a normal man in the street. A 'Toff' in the old sense of the word would not come on here and would be better brought up than to scoff at the less well educated/well off.

Its a game to Scooby and some of you are being played.

[buctootim]

So by saying that you doubt someone is neither....nor, you are actually saying that you think they are that thing.

No. You are saying they are not either of two things.

[Big Bad Bob]

So by saying that you doubt someone is neither....nor, you are actually saying that you think they are that thing.

 

No, you are saying that you doubt that they are either of those things. So Professor (sic) is saying that he doesn't think Camberwell Saint is a Psychologist or is privy to any information pertaining to RL's state of mind.

 

FWIW he must be mad to want to come back to run the club with all the abuse he gets (rightly or wrongly) even if it is to protect his investment.

 

And Scooby is one of the biggest Wind up Merchants on here, closely followed by Allwhine Saint!!

[Wes Tender]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningenglish/grammar/learnit/learnitv166.shtml

 

neither…nor

 

Neither…nor are used together when we want to link two negative ideas:

 

* When I spoke to him, he neither smiled nor looked at me.

* Neither the chairman nor the treasurer was / were able to attend the meeting.

* Don't bother preparing dessert because neither Jane nor Julie eat / eats anything sweet.

 

But the so called Pofessor was expressing doubt, which adds another negative. So correctly, I'm assuming that what he meant to say was

 

"No doubt Rupert Lowe's rating as a businessman is a matter that is open to opinion, but I doubt that Camberwell Saint is either qualified as a psychologist or party to any information about RL's mental state but presumably that was just...

 

And IMO one to many "doubts" too. I believe the first one to be superfluous.

 

HTH

[Big Bad Bob]

But the so called Pofessor was expressing doubt, which adds another negative. So correctly, I'm assuming that what he meant to say was

 

"No doubt Rupert Lowe's rating as a businessman is a matter that is open to opinion, but I doubt that Camberwell Saint is either qualified as a psychologist or party to any information about RL's mental state but presumably that was just...

 

And IMO one to many "doubts" too. I believe the first one to be superfluous.

 

HTH

 

Going back over it the number of doubts is undoubtedly correct, but the neither...nor construct was used wrongly!

 

And for your next english challenge, what is the highest consecutive number of and's you can use in a sentence and still make sense??

[Wes Tender]

Going back over it the number of doubts is undoubtedly correct, but the neither...nor construct was used wrongly!

 

And for your next english challenge, what is the highest consecutive number of and's you can use in a sentence and still make sense??

 

I was just being picky about the repetition of the word doubt rather than it being incorrect. Perhaps the first one should have been "undoubtedly" to vary it a bit.

 

As for the "and" challenge, I prefer to use commas instead. And how did that apostrophe creep in? LOL

[View From The Top]

Are you a professor?

 

I think it's pretty clear that he isn't.

His syntax and grammar are more akin to someone trying far too hard to perceived as academic and failing miserably.

[Leicestersaint]

Scooby-doo. What a lot of poo!

[dubai_phil]

You see that's why Scoobs is so useful.

 

A bs thread turns into discussions about psychiatry, the mental health of a businessman who opts to spend a vacation fishing and the more obscure realms of the English Language.

 

Quality

[edisaint]

Ho ho, this thread is genuinely funny - all the grrrr-I-hate-Lowe responses. These tell you a lot more about the people themselves than about Lowe, who is after all, a pompous arrogant businessman. An unlikable ***t, quite probably, but not the devil.

 

If you find yourself geniunely hating the chairman, or whatever he happens to be, of a football club, yes just a football club, not life or death, just football, then it's a pretty good indication of the pathetic priorities that exist in your life. There are more important things, many more.

 

And no, I don't hate Portsmouth either, or Derby or Germany or Argentina or any of the other entities that people seem genuinely proud to spew invective about, like their childish tantrums are a good thing and not something to be laughed at by most.

[edisaint]

Oops, what a fool, that was supposed to be on the does-everyone-still-hate-Lowe thread. So blinded by love for my fellow man am I that I can't even navigate a message board.

[derry]

Read, shrug and move on!

[Snowballs2]

There has been some talk on here regarding Lord Lowe and his non-appearance at last night’s game. Although I am well aware this is nothing but a talking point for the chattering classes, I thought I would address it here.

 

The fact that he can’t win in the eyes of the flat-caps is neither here nor there – boo him if he attends, scold him if he doesn’t – there is but one salient point here:

 

WH Ireland.

 

Lowe’s position with one of the most dynamic investment banking companies in the world is key for us as a club, and it may even save us from oblivion. In the 21st Century world of football where its entertainment value is of at least equal value to the sport being played on the pitch, money is everything. Not only do we have a professional back running the club, but we have a man in such demand in the city that we could never afford to pay him if we were to hire him for his services. We are, quite frankly, getting the services of the most progressive chairman in the game, and one of the city’s luminaries, gratis.

 

But it doesn’t end there. Lowe’s growing and burgeoning list of contacts with some of the most powerful movers and shakers in the world can only help us. A favourable interest rate here, a player lent there. It all adds up and, bottom line again, we should be on our knees thanking god that Lowe is back with us doing what he does best:

 

Leading.

 

God you are such a silly man ! So pompus, so predictable. At lAST PUT YOU ON IGNORE

[scooby]

If you find yourself geniunely hating the chairman, or whatever he happens to be, of a football club, yes just a football club, not life or death, just football, then it's a pretty good indication of the pathetic priorities that exist in your life.

 

Agreed 100%.

 

Alas, it is a class hatred that permeates these people to their very core. This is a loathing, a hatred that they will take with them to their deathbed and their very noble working-class death.

[JohnnyFartPants]

Agreed 100%.

 

Alas, it is a class hatred that permeates these people to their very core. This is a loathing, a hatred that they will take with them to their deathbed and their very noble working-class death.

 

I actually do think that Lowe is the best man currently involved with the club to be calling the shots, and hopefully things will begin to turn around. I think where you differ from that comment however, is you think he is the best person in the world to be doing the job. On top of this it also comes across that you probably lay awake at night dreaming of him slipping into your bed and rubbing up against you before asking you how you want him. Of course, I may be wrong, this is just IMHO, you understand!

[Guest Hacienda]

Agreed 100%.

 

Alas, it is a class hatred that permeates these people to their very core. This is a loathing, a hatred that they will take with them to their deathbed and their very noble working-class death.

 

I hope he has the common curtesy to give to you at least a reach round.

[thelamprey]

The fact that he can’t win in the eyes of the flat-caps is neither here nor there Leading.

 

A lowe supporter and a snobbish class warrior

 

who'd have thought it?

[edisaint]

Agreed 100%.

 

Alas, it is a class hatred that permeates these people to their very core. This is a loathing, a hatred that they will take with them to their deathbed and their very noble working-class death.

 

Oh, come off it - your constant class-based trolling is a bit tiresome. It may be a factor in a small percentage of those who hate Lowe, but I seriously doubt it's more than a very small percentage. I think it's more to do with taking football just a bit too seriously. That and the perpetual need to scapegoat.

[Weston Super Saint]

Agreed 100%.

 

Alas, it is a class hatred that permeates these people to their very core. This is a loathing, a hatred that they will take with them to their deathbed and their very noble working-class death.

 

How can you not love Scabby's posts?

[Wes Tender]

 

If you find yourself geniunely hating the chairman, or whatever he happens to be, of a football club, yes just a football club, not life or death, just football, then it's a pretty good indication of the pathetic priorities that exist in your life. There are more important things, many more.

 

And equally of course, if you find yourself loving the Chairman obsessively then that's also a pretty good indication of the pathetic priorities that exist in your life. Isn't that so, Scabby?

[Professor]

Lets just get back to the point of this particulat thread, which is that Rupert Lowe is non-executive chairman of WH Ireland group plc, a stockbroking business with its HQ in Manchester and with offices in the City and elsewhere. Together with Lord Marland, former tory party chairman, Lowe has recently led a consortium that has made a major investment in the firm. According to WHI's website it is responsible for managing funds of £1.75bn.

There can be no doubt that the finances of Southampton Football Club are small change compared to the funds managed by WHI and the regular theme that 'Lowe needs Southampton FC in order to line his pocket' is complete nonsense. It does seem that many fans have no concept of the financial standing of RL.

It is inconceivable that Lowe would allow SLH to go into administration because of the reflection on his management skills. He is also better placed than many people realise to generate investment in the club once the financial base is stable. The unknown is 'why does he bother?' Maybe he cares for this club, despite the abuse heaped on him, but one thing is clear, if he does walk away, the opportunity that he represents to get saints back into the big time in the foreseeable future will walk away with him. All we fans will be left with, is the hope that some other unknown millionaire will choose our club as his plaything as Mandaric did with Pompy, but we could just as easily end up where ex Premier club, Luton Town, are now.

The other question I suppose is, will Lowe raise money himself to plough into the club. Some club owners have done that, although Lowe does not own SLH, only a proportion of the plc shares. People such as Madejski, Jordan, Gillet/Hicks and others, have discovered that professional football can suck up money and still not guarantee success. As some other club owners walk away, spending your own money on players does not seem attractive, unless you are Abramovich, and even he will get fed up eventually.

That Rupert Lowe is chairman of a major City institution is something that should not be underestimated for the positive impact it could have on the future of our club, as long as he retains the interest and incentive to stay with saints.

[TopGun]

I'm glad that Scooby has made the link between his Lord Lowe and the peasantry that is represented by Manchester's WH Ireland and the northern flat caps.

 

It is through the efforts of Lord Lowe and his dynamic company that the flat caps of the north are beavering away in factories and mills ensuring SFC a glorious future.

 

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=SnRX6_Txpaw

[Tamesaint]

Lets just get back to the point of this particulat thread, which is that Rupert Lowe is non-executive chairman of WH Ireland group plc, a stockbroking business with its HQ in Manchester and with offices in the City and elsewhere. Together with Lord Marland, former tory party chairman, Lowe has recently led a consortium that has made a major investment in the firm. According to WHI's website it is responsible for managing funds of £1.75bn.

There can be no doubt that the finances of Southampton Football Club are small change compared to the funds managed by WHI and the regular theme that 'Lowe needs Southampton FC in order to line his pocket' is complete nonsense. It does seem that many fans have no concept of the financial standing of RL.

It is inconceivable that Lowe would allow SLH to go into administration because of the reflection on his management skills. He is also better placed than many people realise to generate investment in the club once the financial base is stable. The unknown is 'why does he bother?' Maybe he cares for this club, despite the abuse heaped on him, but one thing is clear, if he does walk away, the opportunity that he represents to get saints back into the big time in the foreseeable future will walk away with him. All we fans will be left with, is the hope that some other unknown millionaire will choose our club as his plaything as Mandaric did with Pompy, but we could just as easily end up where ex Premier club, Luton Town, are now.

The other question I suppose is, will Lowe raise money himself to plough into the club. Some club owners have done that, although Lowe does not own SLH, only a proportion of the plc shares. People such as Madejski, Jordan, Gillet/Hicks and others, have discovered that professional football can suck up money and still not guarantee success. As some other club owners walk away, spending your own money on players does not seem attractive, unless you are Abramovich, and even he will get fed up eventually.

That Rupert Lowe is chairman of a major City institution is something that should not be underestimated for the positive impact it could have on the future of our club, as long as he retains the interest and incentive to stay with saints.

 

 

What a ridiculous post. I realise that Luvvies have to big up WHI but this is really ridiculous.

 

"There can be no doubt that the finances of Southampton Football Club are small change compared to the funds managed by WHI" ... hmmm. Well I would certainly hope so. Their job is to manage funds!! Just because their job is to manage funds does not mean that they own them!! Their turnover in their last financial year was £42 million. Our turnover in 2007 was £44 million. To suggest that we are financial pygmies in comparison with them is just crazy!!

 

"A major City institution".... but they employ 326 people !!! Royal Bank of Scotland is a major City institution. They employ 224,000 people. I bet they have more people cleaning their toilets that WHI employ in total.

 

Lowe was a failure iin a merchant bank. He was a failure as a businessman. The FA thought he was a joke and voted him off their committees. Over the last 10 years the only business he has been successful in is taking over £4 million out of the club in dividends and salary. Do you think Abramovich takes a wage out of Chelsea?? Lowe's "contacts" have never looked like investing in our club in the 10 years that he has been leeching off our business. Why should they now!!

[Professor]

I think it's pretty clear that he isn't.

His syntax and grammar are more akin to someone trying far too hard to perceived as academic and failing miserably.

I've got an 'O' Level in English - does that help? Maybe I'm lucky to have got it......

[Victor]

Going back over it the number of doubts is undoubtedly correct, but the neither...nor construct was used wrongly!

 

And for your next english challenge, what is the highest consecutive number of and's you can use in a sentence and still make sense??

 

Well that was fun wasn't it, but I think we agree that it should have been 'either ..... or'

 

As for the 'and' challenge I am sure I heard one that had 7 together but I can only remember one with 5:

 

The sign writer left too large a space between slug and and and and and lettuce.

 

I leave you to add your own punctuation.

[CitySaint]

Bored.

[Mole1]

Bored.

 

Professor has that effect on us all.

[scooby]

Lets just get back to the point of this particulat thread, which is that Rupert Lowe is non-executive chairman of WH Ireland group plc, a stockbroking business with its HQ in Manchester and with offices in the City and elsewhere. Together with Lord Marland, former tory party chairman, Lowe has recently led a consortium that has made a major investment in the firm. According to WHI's website it is responsible for managing funds of £1.75bn.

 

That is the bottom line. That is a massive, massive figure, and it comes down to the singular fact that our good Lord Lowe personally controls some of the biggest, most renowned accounts in the country. He has a lot of old money and a lot of landed gentry money in his hands. And it is from these contacts with the creme of this country that our club will find salvation.

[Greenridge]

That is the bottom line. That is a massive, massive figure, and it comes down to the singular fact that our good Lord Lowe personally controls some of the biggest, most renowned accounts in the country. He has a lot of old money and a lot of landed gentry money in his hands. And it is from these contacts with the creme of this country that our club will find salvation.

 

What is the timeline for this?

[Big Bad Bob]

Well that was fun wasn't it, but I think we agree that it should have been 'either ..... or'

 

As for the 'and' challenge I am sure I heard one that had 7 together but I can only remember one with 5:

 

The sign writer left too large a space between slug and and and and and lettuce.

 

I leave you to add your own punctuation.

 

Go here for 21 ands consecutively, follow this link for the most confusing Buffalo in the world and then you had better had followed this link to confuse you even more..

 

Those of a nervous dispostion should avoid the latter two links!!

[Mole1]

That is the bottom line. That is a massive, massive figure, and it comes down to the singular fact that our good Lord Lowe personally controls some of the biggest, most renowned accounts in the country. He has a lot of old money and a lot of landed gentry money in his hands. And it is from these contacts with the creme of this country that our club will find salvation.

 

F*ck off you Skate C*nt.

[Wes Tender]

What is the timeline for this?

 

The timeline? Easy. It will be either when hell freezes over, or alternatively when whole squadrons of pigs take off for the skies in a V formation. Isn't that right, Scabby?

[trousers]

What is the timeline for this?

 

Good question....alas, one without a simple and transparent answer I'd venture...unless Mr Scooby would like to prove me wrong of course....

[scooby]

What is the timeline for this?

 

Year one is rebuilding and restructuring following Crouch's reign of terror. Bringing in the golden duo, total football and promotion to the promised land.

 

Year two is when Lord Lowe's contacts with the creme of this country, the old money, the landed gentry really come into play. With promotion, not only will this club be ripe for the picking, but Lowe will be able to use his nous and business acumen to guide us to become not merely a plaything, but a bona fide top six club.

Edited 15 August, 2008 by scooby

[trousers]

Year one is rebuilding and restructuring following Crouch's reign of terror. Bringing in the golden duo, total football and promotion to the promising land.

 

Year two is when Lord Lowe's contacts with the creme of this country, the old money, the landed gentry really come into play. With promotion, not only will this club be ripe for the picking, but Lowe will be able to use his nous and business acumen to guide us to become not merely a plaything, but a bona fide top six club.

 

Cheers.....So, we've got 2 months of speculation to look forward to on here again next May/June.....hoorah....three years end of season speculation years on the trot.....joy of joys!

[trousers]

a bona fide top six club.

 

I'd better get in there with the first wisecrack.........which division?

[View From The Top]

That is the bottom line. That is a massive, massive figure, and it comes down to the singular fact that our good Lord Lowe personally controls some of the biggest, most renowned accounts in the country. He has a lot of old money and a lot of landed gentry money in his hands. And it is from these contacts with the creme of this country that our club will find salvation.

 

No it's not.

 

There is a member on here who manages funds worth double that at least.

 

But being a gormless **** what would you know?

[exit2]

No it's not.

 

There is a member on here who manages funds worth double that at least.

 

But being a gormless **** what would you know?

 

 

I wouldnt mind it in my bank account But I know where your coming from.

I can also add 2 more members that deal with those sums of money weekely. One being instrumental in the sale of a company for £3.9b last yr. Like posted before the big money companies hold portfoilios for much more than WHI

[SaintDonkey]

I'd better get in there with the first wisecrack.........which division?

 

I think without substantial investment the absolute best we can hope for is to be a consistant top 6 Championship side - with the odd money making season long foray into the Premiership.

 

Of course we've got to survive the current storm and avoid relegation and administration this season first before we look to build towards that.

[OldNick]

No it's not.

 

There is a member on here who manages funds worth double that at least.

 

But being a gormless **** what would you know?

wish it was his money and then he could buy us out.

[OldNick]

Year two is when Lord Lowe's contacts with the creme of this country, the old money, the landed gentry really come into play. .

Scooby I do realise that this is all a figment of your imagination, but landed gentry and old money are f####d as they are Lloyds names and potless. We need the brash diamond encrusted Rolex wearers, who dine out on expensive wines , who have ex porn star model wives, new money who dont care if they lose 50m

[edisaint]

And equally of course, if you find yourself loving the Chairman obsessively then that's also a pretty good indication of the pathetic priorities that exist in your life. Isn't that so, Scabby?

 

Oh, absolutely, but he's a common troll, surely? I view Scooby more as an eccentric comedy character, like Basil Fawlty, Prince Phillip or alpine_saint.

[View From The Top]

wish it was his money and then he could buy us out.

 

Believe me, so does he!

 

He posts on here quite a lot and is a great bloke.

[scooby]

No it's not.

 

There is a member on here who manages funds worth double that at least.

 

But being a gormless **** what would you know?

 

A day trader who lives in his parents basement is a little different to the chairman of one of the world's most dynamic investment banking companies.

[St Landrew]

A day trader who lives in his parents basement is a little different to the chairman of one of the world's most dynamic investment banking companies.

 

I'm thinking of purchasing the copyright to this phrase. I could earn a fortune.