EastleighSoulBoy Posted 20 May, 2014 Share Posted 20 May, 2014 Does anyone honestly think the club would sack them WITHOUT good reason? They're not stupid, they know the potential fall-out of such a decision so I'm sure they believe they have no other option. As much as I too have a huge amount of time for Doddsy as a club stalwart, his current employment at the club should be based on his ability, performance and behaviour and if, for some reason, that has now been called into question then this might well be the right decision. As usual, we don't know the details (we may never) and, as usual, we have people judging things based on virtually no information. Who said knee-jerk reactions only come after actual football matches eh? Well said Minty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint 76er Posted 20 May, 2014 Share Posted 20 May, 2014 Couldn't Frank de Boer just bring in his brother to run the academy teams ...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 20 May, 2014 Share Posted 20 May, 2014 Breaking news: MP can swing both ways. Ooh er!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 20 May, 2014 Share Posted 20 May, 2014 I have lifted this from Facebook - no names for obvious reasons but the person speaking is as I understand it, close to JD. "He has been sacked along with willo & been given no reason but definitely not mis conduct . Other staff are staying & basically should have been the other way round . Players not happy .he is now in the process of sorting the remainder of his contract out but he is looking forward to a new challenge". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 20 May, 2014 Share Posted 20 May, 2014 Bit strange, obviously some sort of restructuring. I must admit, I didn't follow the academy in the league this year...but I don't think we won it, or won a cup. Maybe, with what we're churning out (shaw/bale/chambo/adam) the ambition within the club is that we should be leading the way results wise too? Obviously, academy results are often secondary to progress of the individuals...but maybe the club are that short sighted in this! Who knows, doubt we'll even know the full reasons - but seems as if JD is being amicable enough about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 20 May, 2014 Share Posted 20 May, 2014 I have lifted this from Facebook - no names for obvious reasons but the person speaking is as I understand it, close to JD. "He has been sacked along with willo & been given no reason but definitely not mis conduct . Other staff are staying & basically should have been the other way round . Players not happy .he is now in the process of sorting the remainder of his contract out but he is looking forward to a new challenge". Does that mean all the other staff should have been sacked? Some kind of disagreement there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 May, 2014 Share Posted 20 May, 2014 Bit strange, obviously some sort of restructuring. I must admit, I didn't follow the academy in the league this year...but I don't think we won it, or won a cup. Maybe, with what we're churning out (shaw/bale/chambo/adam) the ambition within the club is that we should be leading the way results wise too? Obviously, academy results are often secondary to progress of the individuals...but maybe the club are that short sighted in this! Who knows, doubt we'll even know the full reasons - but seems as if JD is being amicable enough about it. The U18s got knocked out of the FA Youth cup by Charlton,fairly earlier round. Not sure we didn't lose 3-1 at home or similar. Not surprised myself, not a great fan of Dodd, never forgiven him for being so crap when he was co-managing with Gorman. God we were awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 20 May, 2014 Share Posted 20 May, 2014 Bit strange, obviously some sort of restructuring. I must admit, I didn't follow the academy in the league this year...but I don't think we won it, or won a cup. Maybe, with what we're churning out (shaw/bale/chambo/adam) the ambition within the club is that we should be leading the way results wise too? Obviously, academy results are often secondary to progress of the individuals...but maybe the club are that short sighted in this! Who knows, doubt we'll even know the full reasons - but seems as if JD is being amicable enough about it. it would appear that the 2 ex pros and the non ex pro academy staff did not see eye to eye and Uncle Les sided with the non pros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 20 May, 2014 Share Posted 20 May, 2014 Lets be honest, Shaw, Bale, Chamberlain etc would have been "churned out" even with poor coaching. The club must have reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 20 May, 2014 Share Posted 20 May, 2014 Thanks Duncan interesting post . I'm glad it's not misconduct . So which part of the remaining contract is it with ? Your post is a bit of a tease . But reading between the lines I think I know who your referring to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 20 May, 2014 Share Posted 20 May, 2014 Also are you referring to doddsy looking forward to a new challenge or a.n other ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 20 May, 2014 Share Posted 20 May, 2014 Thanks Duncan interesting post . I'm glad it's not misconduct . So which part of the remaining contract is it with ? Your post is a bit of a tease . But reading between the lines I think I know who your referring to He is obviously means he is sorting the remainder of his contract as in the payout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 20 May, 2014 Share Posted 20 May, 2014 That's what I thought St Charlie but it can be read both ways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen Posted 20 May, 2014 Share Posted 20 May, 2014 I have lifted this from Facebook - no names for obvious reasons but the person speaking is as I understand it, close to JD. "He has been sacked along with willo & been given no reason but definitely not mis conduct . Other staff are staying & basically should have been the other way round . Players not happy .he is now in the process of sorting the remainder of his contract out but he is looking forward to a new challenge". I cannot believe anyone is ever sacked without being given a reason. It may not be the real reason but can you imagine that conversation? "I'm sorry we're going to have to let you go." "Oh. Why?" "I'm not going to tell you." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 aside from the (as yet) unrevealed details of reasons for dismissal......of " the said pair "....(to be discussed at a later date, I'm sure). BUT (surprise, surprise) ..it was quick of Cortese's newshounds to get straight on the phone to Luke Shaw (!)...who was surprised and " gutted " (for the want of a better adjective)...at the news. .....and somehow his comment has become another reason for unsettling LS and seems to suggest another reason for disatisfaction with SFC.. (really playing dirty here)..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 aside from the (as yet) unrevealed details of reasons for dismissal......of " the said pair "....(to be discussed at a later date, I'm sure). BUT (surprise, surprise) ..it was quick of Cortese's newshounds to get straight on the phone to Luke Shaw (!)...who was surprised and " gutted " (for the want of a better adjective)...at the news. .....and somehow his comment has become another reason for unsettling LS and seems to suggest another reason for disatisfaction with SFC.. (really playing dirty here)..... Nobody called Luke Shaw they just looked at his Twitter account and took the words directly from there. Sorry if that doesn't fit in with your 'the media hates us' agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 I have lifted this from Facebook - no names for obvious reasons but the person speaking is as I understand it, close to JD. "He has been sacked along with willo & been given no reason but definitely not mis conduct . Other staff are staying & basically should have been the other way round . Players not happy .he is now in the process of sorting the remainder of his contract out but he is looking forward to a new challenge". Interesting thought.(?).... IF we see MP signing a new contract, then one might think he'd be disappionted to see JD /PW leave ?.......or.... ....on the other hand.. if he stays......then it might be a condition that they go .. and that he wants to put " his own people " there instead.....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 I have lifted this from Facebook - no names for obvious reasons but the person speaking is as I understand it, close to JD. "He has been sacked along with willo & been given no reason but definitely not mis conduct . Other staff are staying & basically should have been the other way round . Players not happy .he is now in the process of sorting the remainder of his contract out but he is looking forward to a new challenge". To be fair though, if some people are to be let go, where some aren't, it is always the case that the other guys should've gone instead... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 I have lifted this from Facebook - no names for obvious reasons but the person speaking is as I understand it, close to JD. "He has been sacked along with willo & been given no reason but definitely not mis conduct . Other staff are staying & basically should have been the other way round . Players not happy .he is now in the process of sorting the remainder of his contract out but he is looking forward to a new challenge". We got our club back COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 Has anyone actually considered the fact that Dodd wasn't very good at his job? Given the level of our young players I can see how they could have expected better results and perhaps Poch wants someone who can better follow his philosophy so these guys are better equipped to step up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 So they were not 'sacked' in the way that us normal workers would understand but somplu released from their contracts early. I would hope the club see them right for compensation and try and find a way to exit with honour for all parties. Jason Dodd was a stalwart for the club so deserves this at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 Adam Blackmore has just tweeted "a number of Saints players feel they can't get answers they want off those in boardroom - that's what they have told me". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 Another tweet from Blackmore "and the timing of the Williams/Dodd exit was a pr disaster of the highest order at the worst possible time - did the board not think that?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 I am still thinking positively on this one. I believe (hope) the club is trying to structure the club with elite throughout. The situation with Mauricio has left them in a tricky negotiating position, simply because we don’t have a ready made replacement similar to how Ajax seem to. In an ideal situation your youth and reserve managers are your next 1st team manager, perhaps the board are preparing for next time I mean no disrespect to Williams or Dodd but would they realistically be able to step up to the 1st team without impact and without any loss of continuity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 Adam Blackmore has just tweeted "a number of Saints players feel they can't get answers they want off those in boardroom - that's what they have told me". Been saying that for ages. :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 Another tweet from Blackmore "and the timing of the Williams/Dodd exit was a pr disaster of the highest order at the worst possible time - did the board not think that?" I like Blackmore and respect his opinion, but I'm not sure why the timing is particularly bad PR, it won't make any difference to anything genuinely important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 The PR considerations should be secondary to doing what needs to be done. Clearly, you don't get rid of two long serving (in football terms) members of staff without a reason. The PR part should be explaining why and that is certainly absent so far. But risking bad PR is not a reason not to do something thought to be necessary. I'm assuming that those in charge are not idiots and felt that they had to act now even though it would cause PR difficulties. Adam Blackmore seems to think they are idiots and either should not have taken action or should have waited for a better moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 (edited) Adam Blackmore has just tweeted "a number of Saints players feel they can't get answers they want off those in boardroom - that's what they have told me". If the question is "whats happening about Mopo?" then is it any wonder there is nothing to say to players, staff and supporters? And, to be honest, since when is it the prerogative in any world apart from the loopy loo land of pro football for its employees to demand answers from the owner on anything? So, a number of staff cannot get the answers they want from the Board. Put another way- the Board are not telling them anything/or what they want to hear. Deary me, next it will be the catering staff leaking that they " cannot get the answers they want" from the Board, or the groundsman. Players are employees ~ like the cleaners accountants ticket office people and receptionists. You go to work and you do your job the way your manager asks you to do it for the money they agreed to pay you. So you hear a rumour your line manager is leaving. So? Get on with doing your job. If you want to leave as well leave but until a rumour is a reality and it might affect you job in some way- positive or negative who knows - are you really going to get funny because the board are not giving you the answers you want to hear? Lets rewind a little to when Nigel went- or was about to be got rid of. Did the players do this "im not getting answers sh+t??"...and if at that time NC had said " yeah actually im getting this unknown argentinian guy in instead who does not speak english " what affect would that have on players? Exactly. Its another example of professional footballers thinking they are above normal working people. They are not. They are staff like everyone else, special staff its true, but staff nevertheless. They should stick to doing what their contracts tell them to do at those astronomical wages of theirs or go find another job. Edited 21 May, 2014 by Giordano sp+addition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 Adam Blackmore has just tweeted "a number of Saints players feel they can't get answers they want off those in boardroom - that's what they have told me". Almost " Deck Of Cards " time, because whether you believe it or not, once they DO find out MoPo is leaving, then so will they And the reason is very simple. The Players have really Bonded with him, and, if HE stays, so will they Too late now IMHO. Far too much indecisiveness from KL and RK Any other up and coming Prem team, having a season the we have had would have sorted the Managerial mess out MONTHS ago. End of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 I have lifted this from Facebook - no names for obvious reasons but the person speaking is as I understand it, close to JD. "He has been sacked along with willo & been given no reason but definitely not mis conduct . Other staff are staying & basically should have been the other way round . Players not happy .he is now in the process of sorting the remainder of his contract out but he is looking forward to a new challenge". If there's no reason given then how could they know it should have been the other way around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 Too late now IMHO. Far too much indecisiveness from KL and RK Any other up and coming Prem team, having a season the we have had would have sorted the Managerial mess out MONTHS ago. End of And you know this how? How do you know its not Mopo being indecisive? How do you know he is not leading them along while waiting to see what Spurs offer? What would you do, give him a deadline and then fire him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 If the question is "whats happening about Mopo?" then is it any wonder there is nothing to say to players, staff and supporters? And, to be honest, since when is it the prerogative in any world apart from the loopy loo land of pro football for its employees to demand answers from the owner on anything? So, a number of staff cannot get the answers they want from the Board. Put another way- the Board are not telling them anything/or what they want to hear. Deary me, next it will be the catering staff leaking that they " cannot get the answers they want" from the Board, or the groundsman. Players are employees ~ like the cleaners accountants ticket office people and receptionists. You go to work and you do your job the way your manager asks you to do it for the money they agreed to pay you. So you hear a rumour your line manager is leaving. So? Get on with doing your job. If you want to leave as well leave but until a rumour is a reality and it might affect you job in some way- positive or negative who knows - are you really going to get funny because the board are not giving you the answers you want to hear? Lets rewind a little to when Nigel went- or was about to be got rid of. Did the players do this "im not getting answers sh+t??"...and if at that time NC had said " yeah actually im getting this unknown argentinian guy in instead who does not speak english " what affect would that have on players? Exactly. Its another example of professional footballers thinking they are above normal working people. They are not. They are staff like everyone else, special staff its true, but staff nevertheless. They should stick to doing what their contracts tell them to do at those astronomical wages of theirs or go find another job. This. Next they will be complaining they did not get a birthday card from Kat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 If the question is "whats happening about Mopo?" then is it any wonder there is nothing to say to players, staff and supporters? And, to be honest, since when is it the prerogative in any world apart from the loopy loo land of pro football for its employees to demand answers from the owner on anything? So, a number of staff cannot get the answers they want from the Board. Put another way- the Board are not telling them anything/or what they want to hear. Deary me, next it will be the catering staff leaking that they " cannot get the answers they want" from the Board, or the groundsman. Players are employees ~ like the cleaners accountants ticket office people and receptionists. You go to work and you do your job the way your manager asks you to do it for the money they agreed to pay you. So you hear a rumour your line manager is leaving. So? Get on with doing your job. If you want to leave as well leave but until a rumour is a reality and it might affect you job in some way- positive or negative who knows - are you really going to get funny because the board are not giving you the answers you want to hear? Lets rewind a little to when Nigel went- or was about to be got rid of. Did the players do this "im not getting answers sh+t??"...and if at that time NC had said " yeah actually im getting this unknown argentinian guy in instead who does not speak english " what affect would that have on players? Exactly. Its another example of professional footballers thinking they are above normal working people. They are not. They are staff like everyone else, special staff its true, but staff nevertheless. They should stick to doing what their contracts tell them to do at those astronomical wages of theirs or go find another job. If your contract was coming into final year or near to expiring would you want to find out the clubs intentions for extending it? In any line of work the employee would be in there rights to question the employers intentions should they be in an insecure position! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 You know as much as I do Saintrichmond and I know nothing re the indecisiveness of the board just maybe the indeciseveness is else where I think you are wrongly apportion blame to the board as usual . The board are very professional and as other others have said when there is something to say then they will announce . We are not in the 70's when strikes were the norm and each party were using the press to further TU /employers propaganda . Bored stiff at Aberdeen royal infirmary waiting my bone scans .there must be something to cheer me up. It's not this forum at present Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 If your contract was coming into final year or near to expiring would you want to find out the clubs intentions for extending it? In any line of work the employee would be in there rights to question the employers intentions should they be in an insecure position! True. And I understand your point - BUT Adam And Luke are not in that position for starters and LR summarised the club position on transfer policy very recently and very clearly so there is no additional clarification of club intentions needed until and unless anything changes- which it has not. MoPo has also made the transfer policy chain of decision making equally clear. If you can't remember it - or like some others here - choose to pretend it did not happen it's this I paraphrase " nobody leaves that MoPo is not happy that they leave" - How often does SFC need to repeat this? NOW......if MoPo leaves is it any wonder that this renders that very public statement ( I'd call it a corporate public promise myself ) null and void- and hence why a definitive answer cannot be given to poor little downtrodden professional footballers in the last year (or 4) of their deals needing reassurance of their insecurities. It's common sense. But then again maybe it's foolish to expect too much of that from professional footballers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 Adam Blackmore has just tweeted "a number of Saints players feel they can't get answers they want off those in boardroom - that's what they have told me". Right, so it's a proper company then, and not a workers Co-operative. Whatever next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 Nobody called Luke Shaw they just looked at his Twitter account and took the words directly from there. Sorry if that doesn't fit in with your 'the media hates us' agenda. I didn't know about the Twitter comment, .....but I didn't say the media hates us either.......but I'm willing to buy the suggestion that certain journos are up to something and "someone " is behind these stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 Just caught the tail end of Ben Smith on Five Live. Seemed to indicate that it was a Les Reed decision and that Reed is very close to Martin Hunter (who Dodd didn't get on with). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 Right, so it's a proper company then, and not a workers Co-operative. Whatever next? Use your brain. The players don't know where they stand. Players like Cork and Fonte whose contracts are up next season don't know whats happening with their futures. We are somewhat rudderless on football matters which for a football club isn't great... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 On bbc radio 5 just now. Dodd and Williams didn't get on with hunter. Les Read backed Hunter. Therefore suggestion that they were sacked for relationship reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 Reed will protect his FA boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 Just caught the tail end of Ben Smith on Five Live. Seemed to indicate that it was a Les Reed decision and that Reed is very close to Martin Hunter (who Dodd didn't get on with). Nail on head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 21 May, 2014 Share Posted 21 May, 2014 Nail on head Yeah, meshes with what I heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 23 May, 2014 Share Posted 23 May, 2014 SRL not too happy: BBC Solent Sport@solentsport·3 mins Lambert: "It's disappointing that Doddsy and Willo have been sacked. It's a bit of a shocker really." #saintsfc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 23 May, 2014 Share Posted 23 May, 2014 Echo suggested Les Reed was behind the decision. Les Reed hasn't taken too long to take advantage of his profile and responsibilities has he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 23 May, 2014 Share Posted 23 May, 2014 SRL not too happy: BBC Solent Sport@solentsport·3 mins Lambert: "It's disappointing that Doddsy and Willo have been sacked. It's a bit of a shocker really." #saintsfc To be fair though, he didn't used to train with them, so as said previously, they may have been rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 23 May, 2014 Share Posted 23 May, 2014 Echo suggested Les Reed was behind the decision. Les Reed hasn't taken too long to take advantage of his profile and responsibilities has he? Aye, he has benefited the most out of all the upheaval at the club. Could go as far to say that he is the most powerful figure at SMS given his jurisdiction over player recruitment/contracts/coaching staff. Get the sense that he is not as well respected by the players as the board though. To be fair though, he didn't used to train with them, so as said previously, they may have been rubbish. Don't think they would keep their jobs that long if they were 'rubbish'. As others have said, sounds like a personality clash with Hunter and not necessarily a reflection on their coaching skills. Shaw and Lambert haven't shied away from criticising the decision, and I'm sure they are better placed than most on here to judge. More worryingly off-message comments from our players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Pete Posted 23 May, 2014 Share Posted 23 May, 2014 To be fair though, he didn't used to train with them, so as said previously, they may have been rubbish. From BBC Sport breaking sports news page:- England striker Rickie Lambert says he is shocked Southampton parted company with two coaches who helped him become an international player. On Tuesday, Jason Dodd and Paul Williams, who held coaching roles with their under-18s, left the Saints. Lambert, 32, says: "At Bristol Rovers I first had the confidence to be a striker but it was at Southampton that my whole lifestyle changed and a lot of it has to do with Jason Dodd and Paul Williams. It was disappointing to hear the news." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 23 May, 2014 Share Posted 23 May, 2014 Im glad this all happened under the new board else this thread would have reached 100 pages so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 23 May, 2014 Share Posted 23 May, 2014 Im glad this all happened under the new board else this thread would have reached 100 pages so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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