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Sour Mash

Sour Mash

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Make no mistake, those in charge at the club are well aware of what's going on and aren't happy, but realistically what can they do?
Not a lot a guess. Still surprised that NC etc have been able to get so much out of Ashton and co, they really aren't great articles, even by his standards.
Sour Mash

Sour Mash

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Have the mail ever written a story without the words 'meltdown', 'outrage' or 'vile lazy poor people'?

You must have missed all the positive articles the Mail were doing on us earlier in the season.
angelman

angelman

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You must have missed all the positive articles the Mail were doing on us earlier in the season.

 

Was that pre or post NC's departure? (rhetorical)

Turkish

Turkish

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But that's the point, everything falling apart in the six months to a year immediately after his departure only accentuates his own standing. "If only that nasty Katharina Liebherr had let the genius have full control of her money, they could have avoided all of this and embarked on a period of world domination", etc.

 

 

Yep, absolutely true.

 

I for one don't believe any of these allegations against our former glorious leader. He was a great guy who loved the club and the fans. It was his baby wasn't it and you'd never do anything to harm your baby.

shurlock

shurlock

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This is a 'news' paper that hasn't justified 99.9999% of its headlines on any subject for many decades. Everything causes cancer, everything cures cancer. Outrage! Foreigners aren't British! And some of them are women! Scandal, Ed Milliband has a father!

 

It's depressing that so many people still read it, but there's a lot of naive people out there who don't question motives or look for evidence.

 

Haven't your read their articles on Chelsea Flower Show ffs?

 

Some of the rabid nonsense on this thread almost gives the impression that the Mail got Dodd/Williams the sack.

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Scoobysaint

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Might be going against the grain here but I am not really too bothered. Yes JD was a great servant for the club but PW... not really. I think its pretty simple really,the results werent good enough, the progression through wasn't good enough. Yes I know weve had Shaw, Chambers, Reed, JWP Gallacher step upto the first team but what about the next level down, the next new generation. I also think that there is something in their lack of professionalism. Look at MoPo and his team and see how fit they are, good positive role models. Could you ever see the tubby Dodd or Williams managing to play two touch games against Luke Shaw. I hope its not merely a cost cutting exercise and instead we will be getting some top notch replacements in, possibly of a foreign persuasion with a more technical approach to training.

Bad Wolf

Bad Wolf

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Very surprised. Maybe MP is planning to bring in Continental youth coaches? Which would obviously be a sign he's staying. Still though I hate the Summer :(

angelman

angelman

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Don't see what the fuss is about (save for more **** stirring in the press). If we want to have one of the best academies in the world, then there is no room for sentiment, and if people aren't pulling their weight, then best to cut them loose regardless of past associations with the club.

ART

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The thought went thru my head that the departures of Doddsy and Willo might be related to whom the club have lined up to succeed Pochettino. Maybe it is someone who didn't appreciate them in the past.

stevegrant

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All over the 'press' now but no confirmation from the Club - very disappointed but not quite a meltdown.

The club probably can't say anything yet until whatever legal stuff is in progress has been completed.

Viking Warrior

Viking Warrior

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careful scooby with these comments Could you ever see the tubby Dodd or Williams managing to play two touch games against Luke Shawyou

 

 

you willl get a slapped wrist re coaches not being at their peak fitness refering to Jason and Paul as tubbies

Hopkins

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Statement will come soon and should clear everything up. Very good sign if new youth coaches are appointed, particularly if they're Spanish speaking.

 

If they are MP's men then I'm not actually sure that is a good sign. In the short term it's great obviously as it means he's more likely to stay but in the long term, this club has been set up to run smoothly even if the manager leaves and catering to his needs throughout the whole clubs means that if our results go horrificly wrong and we have to lose him then everyone else could go with him. The beauty of our system right now and other good systems in the league is that the manager fits into the club, not the club fitting itself around the manager. The days of a manager being in charge of everything have gone and if our manager goes this summer we know we'll be OK because apart from a couple of first team coaches everything stays the same. This is the role of Les Reed.

 

That's why any new appointments I'm sure will not be just based on MP's say so.

dellboypete

dellboypete

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Very surprised. Maybe MP is planning to bring in Continental youth coaches? Which would obviously be a sign he's staying. Still though I hate the Summer :(

 

Was thinking the same thing myself - had a few emails from my worried daughter this morning which included

 

Mmmm, oh dear

 

saw something about this on the saints forum last night - was only rumours.

Of course everyone will be putting 2 and 2 together and predict the implosion of sfc as we know it (again).

 

Could be back to the good old days of Rupert Lowe and Nicola Cortese, when the only thing that you could be certain about was the uncertainty.

 

I see things being a bit uncertain over the next couple of months - I'm certain about that!!!

 

Maybe Poch has said that he wants to bring in his own youth coaches as part of him staying?

 

(straws, clutching etc etc)

aintforever

aintforever

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It's a shame for them both because it's always good to see ex Saints do well but wouldn't have the faintest idea what they were like as coaches or why they were sacked so it's impossible to comment.

Charlie Wayman

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Boooooooo, why on earth let go of those two? Both who have Saints best interests at heart, perhaps they questioned certain decisions made with only financial considerations?

 

Or perhaps, bearing in mind the number of Academy boys that have been released this year without being offered professional terms, they were not all that good and more suited to the old English long ball game?

 

Blackmore suggested this action is not linked to Pochettino but surely they would have reported indirectly to him as head coach & manager. If he decided a change at grass roots level was needed to ensure the flow of youthful talents like Shaw then he would have had a say. Right now the Academy's reputation is on an all time high so what better time to attract the best kids in the country and therefore the best coaches to develop them.

 

Clearing the decks in this way may indicate MP getting things going his way and so a good chance of staying, the lack of urgency in any announcement about his whereabouts next year on the other hand suggests the opposite although there will come a time when he will be forced to decide either by us to ensure our pre-season integrity or by another club for their pre-season integrity. MP arriving at Spurs for example with only a couple of weeks left before the season starts at beginning of August would not really work for them any more that having to find and imbed a new manager in July will not work for us.

 

There's just a chance that MP is awaiting my decision on whether to renew my ST before he decides o stay on. This is a bit of a cat and mouse game as I am waiting for him!

croydonsaint

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I can not imagine that Southampton would not have followed disciplinary procedures diligently, so I would imagine if there was a perceived issue it would have been discussed with verbal and then written warnings issued. I would not imagine they would be dismissed "out of the blue".

If that is the case the pair should have nothing to complain about. A shame to see any one dismissed but if procedures were followed it would have been in their hands to stop this outcome by falling into line.

Viking Warrior

Viking Warrior

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croyden

the club will have followed correct procedures etc with the employees having a right of appeal against dismissal in cases of performance , capability or misconduct

 

I dont have any idea of what is going on except I think the club are doing the right thing by maintaining confidentiality of emplyment issues .

I could hazard a guess but I could be wrong, but as they have been dismissed , the process has not been completed and that may be in the form of seeking legal advice on any compromise agreement that may be in place

 

Its certainly not a melt down situation as some have referred to in hte media

 

Its an every day occurrence in the world of Employment law

 

PS good luck in the future Jason and Paul

doddisalegend

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The curse of Fonte's wife strikes again?:scared:

 

Seroiusly though I'm a big fan of Dodd (who'd of thought) as a player, and I'd assumed he was doing a decent job at the academey, but I'm struggling to get to upset about this. On going legal action suggests to me there is some sort of misconduct issue going on here assuming that's the case I doubt the club have done anything wrong. I'll wait until the full story emeges before I go into meltdown....or not

stevegrant

stevegrant

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The curse of Fonte's wife strikes again?:scared:

 

Seroiusly though I'm a big fan of Dodd (who'd of thought) as a player, and I'd assumed he was doing a decent job at the academey, but I'm struggling to get to upset about this. On going legal action suggests to me there is some sort of misconduct issue going on here assuming that's the case I doubt the club have done anything wrong. I'll wait until the full story emeges before I go into meltdown....or not

Unlikely, IMO. The way contracts tend to work on the football side of things is that you either have a fixed-term contract or a rolling contract, as opposed to being a "permanent" employee. Suspect Dodd's is an annual rolling contract, but in order to terminate that contract, the club must pay compensation (in the same way as if they sacked the first team manager). The legal situation will more than likely just be negotiating that compensation.

SnailOB

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It can't be that bad as MLT and Benali haven't commented on it yet !

 

If NC had done this i'm sure there would have been comments from both of them all over the place. Then we could have classed this as a meltdown.

doddisalegend

doddisalegend

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Unlikely, IMO. The way contracts tend to work on the football side of things is that you either have a fixed-term contract or a rolling contract, as opposed to being a "permanent" employee. Suspect Dodd's is an annual rolling contract, but in order to terminate that contract, the club must pay compensation (in the same way as if they sacked the first team manager). The legal situation will more than likely just be negotiating that compensation.

 

Yes of course I forget that football doesn't seem to have to follow employment law like normal businesses do.

Jez

Jez

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Seroiusly though I'm a big fan of Dodd (who'd of thought) as a player, and I'd assumed he was doing a decent job at the academey, but I'm struggling to get to upset about this.

 

never could have guessed!! :p

 

I think you should be more upset though. If not though, could you update your username to "doddisok". Thanks

Window Cleaner

Window Cleaner

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Yes of course I forget that football doesn't seem to have to follow employment law like normal businesses do.

 

 

Well it does but as in football etc you need to have some basic continuity over a given period there tends to be a greater use of fixed term contracts than elsewhere. Employment law remains the same but it just avoids your senior players, managers etc giving a month or 3 months notice and wandering off into the sunset leaving you with a very specific role to fill. No doubt for non sporting roles contracts are for an indeterminate period as per usual.

Viking Warrior

Viking Warrior

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The question Steve grant were they on players contracts or on staff contracts

Employment law does apply there a number of claims submitted to an ET

 

For example

The Ibrox club's shares prospectus revealed that the Scottish Professional Footballers Association had 'raised an employment tribunal claim against RFCL (The Rangers Football Club Limited) on behalf of 67 unnamed players at the employment tribunal in Glasgow'.

stevegrant

stevegrant

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The question Steve grant were they on players contracts or on staff contracts

Employment law does apply there a number of claims submitted to an ET

 

For example

The Ibrox club's shares prospectus revealed that the Scottish Professional Footballers Association had 'raised an employment tribunal claim against RFCL (The Rangers Football Club Limited) on behalf of 67 unnamed players at the employment tribunal in Glasgow'.

When did I say that employment law doesn't apply? Of course it does, it would be ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

Golden Balls

Golden Balls

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If NC had done this i'm sure there would have been comments from both of them all over the place. Then we could have classed this as a meltdown.

 

Goodness. Can you imagine?!

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