hypochondriac Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 Quite concerned now. Also with the lack of communication and transparency and getting rid of two coaches who are 'one of us.' How many actual football people are going to be left?
Saint Charlie Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 Quite concerned now. Also with the lack of communication and transparency and getting rid of two coaches who are 'one of us.' How many actual football people are going to be left? Soon it could just be Reed and Hunter as the only football staff above the U16's! Do any of the new board actually know how to run a football club because none of them have any experience of it?
Giordano Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 You should avoid sacking very popular long term ex club captains at all costs. If they have to go then they should always be allowed to resign somehow. If it's a sacking he's either been and done something really bad or SFC have been very clumsy. The team results do not warrant him being sacked. If that's the reason it is surely unreasonable to do so with a squad as fluid as his and the development expertise already evident? It's obvious all Saints fans respect JD so IF it's not the former then it's an unwise move by the powers that be.
jimmysaint7 Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 Oh dear. @LukeShaw3: @bigadamsport wrong decision ? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk He needs to understand when to keep his mouth shut.
brett24 Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 Who would have made this decsion? Glad there sorting out the most important coaching roles first, first team manager can wait.
kpturner Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 Luke Shaw's tweet(s) on the subject are not really anything to be concerned about.
James Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 At least Shaw still cares.... Concerning that this has nothing to do with MP's future. Who made this decision then and why? New board better have good reason but I'm now increasingly worried about the state of play at SFC .
jayrivers Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 At least Shaw still cares.... Concerning that this has nothing to do with MP's future. Who made this decision then and why? New board better have good reason but I'm now increasingly worried about the state of play at SFC . As there is ongoing legal action, I'm tempted to think that this is more than a footballing matter?
Sheaf Saint Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 If the reason for their departure is performance-related, I very much doubt that the club would take this action without having already identified and approached replacement staff who will improve on their predecessors. If that turns out to be the case then I will start worrying about the ability and direction of the board, but not before. The fact is we simply don't know at this stage what the board's motivation is. It could be that they are both guilty of some sort of misconduct that left their positions untenable, and until we have any more detailed information (which I doubt will be immediately forthcoming) then I will reserve judgement.
Tom28 Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 Luke Shaw @LukeShaw3 2m Gutted for doddsy and Willo, helped me a lot in my development over the years, wish them all the best in their carers
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 The club better have a very good reason for axing two diehard Saints from the coaching set up. Otherwise it is very bad PR.
Saint-scooby Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/11223764.Saints_sack_club_legend_Jason_Dodd_and_his_youth_team_assistant_Paul_Williams/?ref=var_0 Whaaaa
OldNick Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 The club better have a very good reason for axing two diehard Saints from the coaching set up. Otherwise it is very bad PR. Is Paul Williams a die hard Saint?? He spent most of his career at Coventry didnt he? Is it right for a youth team manager to look quite so unfit and setting the best example/ im sure he is a decent guy but I never saw him as a die hard Saint. Doddsy is different
farawaysaint Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/11223764.Saints_sack_club_legend_Jason_Dodd_and_his_youth_team_assistant_Paul_Williams/?ref=var_0 Whaaaa With respect, they better have a damn good reason as Doddsy is one of my heroes and PW is a great guy.
sydneysaint17 Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 apparently they "didnt spend enough time with the players"
sifter Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 >>apparently they "didnt spend enough time with the players" Maybe they didn't get invited to Brazil. Not there fault. Club should have paid there airfares.
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 Is Paul Williams a die hard Saint?? He spent most of his career at Coventry didnt he? Is it right for a youth team manager to look quite so unfit and setting the best example/ im sure he is a decent guy but I never saw him as a die hard Saint. Doddsy is different Maybe that is a fair point but Doddsy's spirit helped the team in the premier league for fifteen years.
trousers Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 (edited) And, as if by magic, up pops a Neil Ashton "meltdown" article.... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2633682/EXCLUSIVE-Southampton-sack-academy-coaches-Jason-Dodd-Paul-Williams-not-spending-time-players.html Southampton were in meltdown on Tuesday after they fired their two fabled academy coaches Jason Dodd and Paul Williams ‘for not spending enough time with the players’. Dodd and Williams are credited with bringing through Luke Shaw, Calum Chambers, James Ward-Prowse, Harry Reed and Sam Gallagher through the club’s highly-regarded academy. Sportsmail understands Shaw, who is currently away with the England squad in Portugal preparing for the World Cup, reacted furiously to the news. The England left-back discovered on Tuesday morning that Dodd and Williams, who helped him develop into a first team player at Southampton, had been sacked. The pair have been called in and fired, despite being responsible for a number of top class young England internationals graduating straight from the academy to the first team under their guidance. Dodd, who made nearly 400 appearances for Southampton, has been left stunned by the decision to fire him. Williams, who was a member of Southampton’s FA Cup final squad against Arsenal in 2003, has also been dismissed. The pair were called into the club on Monday and told of their fate by interim academy director Matt Hale. It’s understood that the pair were told they did not spend enough time with the Under-16 squad and that their relationship with another coach, Martin Hunter, was not healthy. Dodd is highly regarded by the parents of the young players in Southampton’s academy, but they will be shocked by the manner and timing of his departure. There has been friction at the club between academy staff and coaches since January as they bicker over the future direction of their academy. Edited 20 May, 2014 by trousers
CB Fry Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 I like the way Paul Williams has been promoted to a "die hard Saint". Paul Williams? Dear me.
Minty Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 Does anyone honestly think the club would sack them WITHOUT good reason? They're not stupid, they know the potential fall-out of such a decision so I'm sure they believe they have no other option. As much as I too have a huge amount of time for Doddsy as a club stalwart, his current employment at the club should be based on his ability, performance and behaviour and if, for some reason, that has now been called into question then this might well be the right decision. As usual, we don't know the details (we may never) and, as usual, we have people judging things based on virtually no information. Who said knee-jerk reactions only come after actual football matches eh?
speed demon Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 Is there anyone who is still believes in the new board?! Exactly this. I've still got a gut feeling that KL will sell. I think they'll put a brave face on it when next season turns out to be a fight for survival which it might and then this time next year she'll sell.
Heisenberg Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 Obviously the club has a very good reason for doing this. Perhaps this is the Southampton way now? With Pochettino being linked with a move away perhaps Ralph Krueger was looking to promote from within? He may have taken guidance from Les Reed? about an appointment from within and was told, no Jason Dodd & Paul Williams are not suitable (not ready, perhaps ever) he has maybe said ok lets get rid then, we ultimately need to be better prepared next time our manager wants out? why keep youth managers that can never step up? Similar to Frank de Boer at Ajax. Started at youth level but ready to step into the no.1 spot with the same approach and methodology as Martin Jol before him. Makes sense? However the legal action perhaps makes this suggestion void.
CB Fry Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 If, as the Cortese friendly media chums are spinning it, D & W are the magicians that created Shaw and the rest, they won't be out of work for long.
Minty Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 Meltdown Quite. If this line is true: There has been friction at the club between academy staff and coaches since January as they bicker over the future direction of their academy. ... then clearly something had to give, and I am sure the club have made the decision they feel is best for the long term future of the Academy and Club as a whole. But meltdown? Erm, no.
pap Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 And, as if by magic, up pops a Neil Ashton "meltdown" article.... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2633682/EXCLUSIVE-Southampton-sack-academy-coaches-Jason-Dodd-Paul-Williams-not-spending-time-players.html Fk me. "Fabled" academy coaches? I never got around to reading Aesop's The Tale of Paul and J-Dodd. Is it on Amazon? Not to entertain a wider conspiracy, but this c**t is 100% Cortese stooge.
angelman Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 I wouldn't really object to the board taking a leaf out of Cortese's book, once everything has been decided, and banning certain journalists/papers from SMS.
dan abnormal Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 Sportsmail understands Shaw, who is currently away with the England squad in Portugal preparing for the World Cup, reacted furiously to the news Does this mean they just searched his Twitter?
stevegrant Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 I wouldn't really object to the board taking a leaf out of Cortese's book, once everything has been decided, and banning certain journalists/papers from SMS. I doubt Ashton's ever been to St Mary's, to be honest. The Mail tends to send one of their rank and file sports journos (I think Sam Cunningham's been their main reporter down here this season), or even sometimes not even bother and just use Simon Peach's PA reports.
Sour Mash Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 They're really getting their money's worth out of Neil Ashton and the Daily Mail. Unusual news, pity to see Dodd leaving the club, but assume there must be some sort of reason behind this change - jury currently out this end.
saint_ed Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 And, as if by magic, up pops a Neil Ashton "meltdown" article.... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2633682/EXCLUSIVE-Southampton-sack-academy-coaches-Jason-Dodd-Paul-Williams-not-spending-time-players.html Neil Ashton is such an arse! That article is nothing but biased sensationalist scaremongering based on no actual evidence (typical Mail admittedly). He can't go on like this surely....how can the club put a stop to it, if at all?
angelman Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 Yes, you're probably right. But the red tops have been quite determined to rip Saints apart, or is that just me being a little sensitive?
KingdomCome Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 Does anyone honestly think the club would sack them WITHOUT good reason? They're not stupid, they know the potential fall-out of such a decision so I'm sure they believe they have no other option. As much as I too have a huge amount of time for Doddsy as a club stalwart, his current employment at the club should be based on his ability, performance and behaviour and if, for some reason, that has now been called into question then this might well be the right decision. As usual, we don't know the details (we may never) and, as usual, we have people judging things based on virtually no information. Who said knee-jerk reactions only come after actual football matches eh? Perfectly put. Without further information, it's impossible to judge this decision. Obviously sad to see them leave and concerning what impact this will have. All we can be sure of is that if there isn't a good reason, there'll be a fairly public employment tribunal.
stevegrant Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 Yes, you're probably right. But the red tops have been quite determined to rip Saints apart, or is that just me being a little sensitive? We're an easy target, especially with a disgruntled former employee providing them with bitesized chunks of bull**** that they can churn out in the name of "inside information" at regular intervals.
saint_ed Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 We're an easy target, especially with a disgruntled former employee providing them with bitesized chunks of bull**** that they can churn out in the name of "inside information" at regular intervals. But what is his motivation?? Surely he has far better things to do that sh!t stir against a former employer, ego or no ego.
trousers Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 But what is his motivation?? To destabilise the club to a point where KL thinks its more hassle than it's worth and sells up to someone with connections to an 'ex-employee'...?
stevegrant Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 But what is his motivation?? Surely he has far better things to do that sh!t stir against a former employer, ego or no ego. I'm guessing he probably doesn't, to be honest.
Sour Mash Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 To destabilise the club to a point where KL thinks its more hassle than it's worth and sells up to someone with connections to an 'ex-employee'...? It's got be that. Still a bit misguided from NC, don't get the impression that KL wouldn't be sharp enough to spot that.
stevegrant Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 It's got be that. Still a bit misguided from NC, don't get the impression that KL wouldn't be sharp enough to spot that. Make no mistake, those in charge at the club are well aware of what's going on and aren't happy, but realistically what can they do?
saint_ed Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 To destabilise the club to a point where KL thinks its more hassle than it's worth and sells up to someone with connections to an 'ex-employee'...? I just don't buy this theory any more though. He would have potentially undone all of the good work so would be left with an unrecognisable Southampton if we are to believe every rumour, how would that be of benefit with the exception of shaving pocket change off the value. I also don't believe KL would even sell to him out of principle.
Wes Tender Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 The article in the Mail is really quite hysterical. Do they actually have proof that Shaw and Lallana will be off at the end of the World Cup? What happened to the reports that it was a certainty that they would be sold before the World Cup? Surely such reliable sources couldn't have got that wrong? As for the club being in meltdown, they really shouldn't indulge in such hyperbole, unless they want to be seen for the shallow idiots that they probably are. Not a word to justify their conclusions, so it just comes across as verbal diarrhea, or that they have an agenda against us.
wildsaint Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 To add some spice to the Cortese destabilising rumours. I know for a fact that Cortese met Baldini for lunch around 4/5 weeks ago in London. The pair were spotted by Kevin Bond who was having lunch at the same restaurant and went over to say hello. Although it wasn't shared with me what they were meeting about even though I pushed for it.
Turkish Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 But what is his motivation?? Surely he has far better things to do that sh!t stir against a former employer, ego or no ego. Because he's bitter, vindictive c*nt. If he was that petty to ban a season ticket holder for writing an article he didn't like on a mongboard, how much more bitter would he be towards the people who cost him his £2m a year job. Hopefully when he finally takes his job at AC Milan they've been chasing him for he'll pipe down.
stevegrant Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 I just don't buy this theory any more though. He would have potentially undone all of the good work so would be left with an unrecognisable Southampton if we are to believe every rumour, how would that be of benefit with the exception of shaving pocket change off the value. But that's the point, everything falling apart in the six months to a year immediately after his departure only accentuates his own standing. "If only that nasty Katharina Liebherr had let the genius have full control of her money, they could have avoided all of this and embarked on a period of world domination", etc. I also don't believe KL would even sell to him out of principle. Yep, absolutely true.
sotonist Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 To add some spice to the Cortese destabilising rumours. I know for a fact that Cortese met Baldini for lunch around 4/5 weeks ago in London. The pair were spotted by Kevin Bond who was having lunch at the same restaurant and went over to say hello. Although it wasn't shared with me what they were meeting about even though I pushed for it. matches with my theory that he could just be hawking his wares (contacts within the club) to the highest bidder to make as much filthy lucre as he can out of the situation while he can.
trousers Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 To add some spice to the Cortese destabilising rumours. I know for a fact that Cortese met Baldini for lunch around 4/5 weeks ago in London. The pair were spotted by Kevin Bond who was having lunch at the same restaurant and went over to say hello. Although it wasn't shared with me what they were meeting about even though I pushed for it. So, reading between the lines, we've got Cortese to thank for Spurs turning their attention to Pochettino...? (one assumes he was giving Baldini a glowing reference....)
spyinthesky Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 Because he's bitter, vindictive c*nt. If he was that petty to ban a season ticket holder for writing an article he didn't like on a mongboard, how much more bitter would he be towards the people who cost him his £2m a year job. Hopefully when he finally takes his job at AC Milan they've been chasing him for he'll pipe down. Cortese and Rupes seem to share certain traits. I recollect that Rupes contacted the employer of a disgruntled fan who had the temerity to criticise him via a company email address. Rupes also employed a PR company and had his tame journos. However Cortese never publicised a 'Letter of Appreciation' from a grateful fan!!! as did Rupes
Saint in Paradise Posted 20 May, 2014 Posted 20 May, 2014 We're an easy target, especially with a disgruntled former employee providing them with bitesized chunks of bull**** that they can churn out in the name of "inside information" at regular intervals. Bit dangerous saying that isn't it ? Unless of course you have 100% proof. I can't afford an increase in the membership fee if you get sued and lose.
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