Saint86 Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 Is MoPo really that good a manager? If he is, then we only finished 8th? so on the basis that he's a quality manager (destined for the Tottenham or another top quality european club one day) that means he has overachieved with the players he has available... And if that is the case, then our players aren't "all that" and don't deserve the hype they are getting. but as a saints fan, I think that lallana this season is the best player we've had for a very long time and should walk into the England starting 11, and indeed all but maybe city or chelsea's midfields... Our first team as a whole is also very talented and exciting. Indeed, as we all know, the press have linked almost our entire team since january:- Shaw, Clyne, Chambers, Fonte, Lovren, cork, Morgan, Jayrod, adam, ramirez and Lambert... So which is it? Either we have a great first team with a bunch of players who should all be in the champions league, or MoPo isn't all that. I personally think we are being over hyped in both the manager and squad departments to a degree, we are 8th over the season, and that is about right tbh. ******** And as an aside, I know that people will shout "squad depth" from the rooftops, and it is obvious that all we need is a couple more players (GK, CB and ST) to really push for top 6. However, we do have an owner who clearly enjoys the club, healthy finances, and key players tied down for 4 years. The club can either chuck all that away (which I doubt is going to happen) or we'll be looking pretty next season (and the comments on match of the day will be about the rumoured fire sale which didn't happen!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 It makes sense, we have a top quality manager and some top quality players but not a top quality squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batterseasaint Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 Our name is being used by other parties to get what they want. Does Levy really want Mo, or has he been conducting a straw poll to see how popular he would be? Maybe he has his eye on someone 'bigger', and wants the credit when he 'rejects' Mo and appoints eg. Mancini or Ancelloti. Is Sherwood REALLY in the running for our job, or does he want Brighton to hear that a Premier League club are after him? And do the press really think that we're going to lose all our staff, or are they sniffing out in story before they start on their biannual slaughter of the England team, which contains 3 of our players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 As I've said before Pochettino has been good for Saints, but Saints have also been good for Pochettino. The pinnacle of his managerial career in Spain and England to date is finishing eighth in the Premier League. A number of Spurs fans see him as 'AVB without the trophies'! I think its the way Saints play and some of the scalps we have had during Poch's reign that draw attention, but both him and Lallana are in similar territory; stay at SFC and push on to upset the status quo whilst being idolised or join sides on the fringes of the status quo where it might work out, or go horribly, horribly wrong. Interesting times... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 Please can we have a consolidated thread re MP/ media etc It gets confusing Thanks Mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 Media making sense with their stories? Well, that would be a first... For me the root to many of these stories is Hofstetters comment about difficult financial situation. I think it was a naive thing to comment on and even if they said that no players would leave unless the manager wanted to they should´ve known how media works. They jumped on that and it´s funny how so many articles are based on players leaving for £27m. That alone says that their insight isn´t very big at the moment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 Is MoPo really that good a manager? If he is, then we only finished 8th? so on the basis that he's a quality manager (destined for the Tottenham or another top quality european club one day) that means he has overachieved with the players he has available... And if that is the case, then our players aren't "all that" and don't deserve the hype they are getting. but as a saints fan, I think that lallana this season is the best player we've had for a very long time and should walk into the England starting 11, and indeed all but maybe city or chelsea's midfields... Our first team as a whole is also very talented and exciting. Indeed, as we all know, the press have linked almost our entire team since january:- Shaw, Clyne, Chambers, Fonte, Lovren, cork, Morgan, Jayrod, adam, ramirez and Lambert... So which is it? Either we have a great first team with a bunch of players who should all be in the champions league, or MoPo isn't all that. I personally think we are being over hyped in both the manager and squad departments to a degree, we are 8th over the season, and that is about right tbh. ******** And as an aside, I know that people will shout "squad depth" from the rooftops, and it is obvious that all we need is a couple more players (GK, CB and ST) to really push for top 6. However, we do have an owner who clearly enjoys the club, healthy finances, and key players tied down for 4 years. The club can either chuck all that away (which I doubt is going to happen) or we'll be looking pretty next season (and the comments on match of the day will be about the rumoured fire sale which didn't happen!) I can't agree with much of this. Pochettino is a quality coach who has improved the players as individuals and as a team. I would have thought that fairly obvious to anyone that watches Saints regularly. Likewise there is much quality within the first team. If that isn't obvious then explain why else so many are so regularly linked with top clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggytrousers Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 I think Shaw could well be that player. He's growing in confidence with every game and it's just experience and confidence he lacks to really kick on to the next level. I predict we'll keep him and Lallana along with all our key players. Poch will stay and we'll make a couple of key signings up front (with Osvaldo and Ramirez going) to enable us to push on and challenge for a CL place next year. Stay tuned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 He hasn't proved he is anything other than a mid table manager, at two clubs in two leagues. His appointment would be a massive risk for Spurs. He's foreign, young and exciting but his actual achievements are no better than lots of less exciting managers - Fat Old Sam, Alan Pardew, Gordon Strachan or Steve McClaren or Mark Hughes. I know we like to think of him as far more exciting and revolutionary than any of those dinosaurs, but in five years time people may look at him as just some guy who finished mid table once. History is awash with them. Who remembers Nigel Adkins as English football's greatest young manager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 He hasn't proved he is anything other than a mid table manager, at two clubs in two leagues. His appointment would be a massive risk for Spurs. He's foreign, young and exciting but his actual achievements are no better than lots of less exciting managers - Fat Old Sam, Alan Pardew, Gordon Strachan or Steve McClaren or Mark Hughes. I know we like to think of him as far more exciting and revolutionary than any of those dinosaurs, but in five years time people may look at him as just some guy who finished mid table once. History is awash with them. Who remembers Nigel Adkins as English football's greatest young manager? Pochettino's a young coach not an old dinosaur. You are not comparing like with like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 (edited) Pochettino's a young coach not an old dinosaur. You are not comparing like with like. Agree its a staggeringly daft comparison. There's a reason why the likes of Pards and Strachs have not been entrusted to manage larger clubs - they weren't seen up to the task: let's just say their tactics have relied on brawn rather than brains. They've been regularly overlooked and are now in the fag end of their careers. Others were given a chance (BFS, McClaren, Mark Hughes to a lesser extent) and failed which has tarnished their reputation. Only an idiot would write MP off before he's been given the chance. Equally, the presumption that even an infantile would know is false is that managers are somehow parachuted into the big jobs. No. Everyone has start to somewhere, typically at a smaller club - whether it was Fergie at Aberdeen, Martinez at Wigan, Rodgers at Watford, Moyes at Preston before making the step up. All signs suggest that MP is on a similar trajectory. Edited 19 May, 2014 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 He hasn't proved he is anything other than a mid table manager, at two clubs in two leagues. His appointment would be a massive risk for Spurs. He's foreign, young and exciting but his actual achievements are no better than lots of less exciting managers - Fat Old Sam, Alan Pardew, Gordon Strachan or Steve McClaren or Mark Hughes. I know we like to think of him as far more exciting and revolutionary than any of those dinosaurs, but in five years time people may look at him as just some guy who finished mid table once. History is awash with them. Who remembers Nigel Adkins as English football's greatest young manager? I dont, and I dont even remember who said that. Maybe you can enlighten me, cause surely that wouldn´t be a SWF myth?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPTCount Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 I would guess it's more about our high pressing game & attractive football we play. Plus we are the 'in' club atm, the neutrals favorites, and ultimately viewed by the media as the best of the rest. The only thing worse than people talking about u is people not talking about u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 Pochettino's a young coach not an old dinosaur. You are not comparing like with like. Well done on not understanding my point. Pochettino is as likely to be an old dinosaur in the making as he is a future Champions League standard manager. Nobody knows whether the ideas he can impose on small, mid table clubs will translate to bigger clubs with egos and budgets. There's some on the Pochettino speculation threads saying how he doesn't suit Spurs and that Levy will sack him within 6 months etc that suggest some Saints fans share that thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 Agree its a staggeringly daft comparison. There's a reason why the likes of Pards and Strachs have not been entrusted to manage larger clubs - they weren't seen up to the task: let's just say their tactics have relied on brawn rather than brains. They've been regularly overlooked and are now in the fag end of their careers. Others were given a chance (BFS, McClaren, Mark Hughes to a lesser extent) and failed which has tarnished their reputation. Only an idiot would write MP off before he's been given the chance. Equally, the presumption that even an infantile would know is false is that managers are somehow parachuted into the big jobs. No. Everyone has start to somewhere, typically at a smaller club - whether it was Fergie at Aberdeen, Martinez at Wigan, Rodgers at Watford, Moyes at Preston before making the step up. All signs suggest that MP is on a similar trajectory. Fair play, you know how to build a strawman. Well done on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 I dont, and I dont even remember who said that. Maybe you can enlighten me, cause surely that wouldn´t be a SWF myth?? Yeah. Fine. It's a myth anyone called him the best young manager in England. Future England manager was a myth too. Future Liverpool manager also a myth. All myths and no one ever said that on here or anything remotely like it. You got me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 Well done on not understanding my point. Pochettino is as likely to be an old dinosaur in the making as he is a future Champions League standard manager. Nobody knows whether the ideas he can impose on small, mid table clubs will translate to bigger clubs with egos and budgets. There's some on the Pochettino speculation threads saying how he doesn't suit Spurs and that Levy will sack him within 6 months etc that suggest some Saints fans share that thought. Actually I did understand your point, I just disagree with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashleyb5443 Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 World Cup starting soon so I'm not surprised they're creating rumors. Saints have had a big impact on England and Woy this year. If press were to start rumors of Sturridge to another club would anyone buy them or read them online. No, but now you have every plastic fan from Liverpool, United and Chelsea all excited about the chance of getting some of our players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 The club can either chuck all that away (which I doubt is going to happen) or we'll be looking pretty next season (and the comments on match of the day will be about the rumoured fire sale which didn't happen!) Mopo is an excellent Manager with an excellent coaching staff. The squad worked their butts off for them because they believed and saw the results. Breaking it up will endanger next seasons performance - how much who knows, however I have little faith that we'll see the same starting 11 playing for the same Manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 Yeah. Fine. It's a myth anyone called him the best young manager in England. Future England manager was a myth too. Future Liverpool manager also a myth. All myths and no one ever said that on here or anything remotely like it. You got me. Apparently I did since you couldn´t quote a single post saying that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 Apparently I did since you couldn´t quote a single post saying that. I'll be ref, there's a ton of posts in the vault saying these things, just cos no one's sad enough to go back and dig them out doesn't mean they don't exist. Adkins best English manager of his generation? check Adkins for L'pool? check Adkins for England? check And we're not talking in ones and twos, more like tens and twenties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 I'll be ref, there's a ton of posts in the vault saying these things, just cos no one's sad enough to go back and dig them out doesn't mean they don't exist. Adkins best English manager of his generation? check Adkins for L'pool? check Adkins for England? check And we're not talking in ones and twos, more like tens and twenties. Don't ruin his moment. It's a favourite game of forum masterminds to pretend "no one ever said" stuff we can all remember people saying on here. If you get Olallana on a good day he'll probably do the one where we play-pretend that no one on this forum has ever for one second said they think we can ever make the Champions League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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