Mr X Posted 17 May, 2014 Share Posted 17 May, 2014 People need to consider it takes years for a squad to bond well with each other and want to play as a team not individuals, if we sell the backbone of out team i.e Lallana, Shaw, Lovren, Jrod, etc we will never be the same again any time soon! its total madness to sell more than two key players from our squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 17 May, 2014 Share Posted 17 May, 2014 I've seen reported that Liverpool have 40-60 million to spend, the higher number being dependent on then off loading some players, so far they've been linked with at least two off our players in the region of 40 million considering they need several players to strengthen the squad for Champions league I think our players are going to be to expensive for them. Man U on the other hand are reported to 150-200 million to spend ........ Last three years spending £48m spent, £25m sold £49m spent, £6m sold £34m spent, £4m sold Obviously the TV income has gone up somewhat this year, and they have the CL income next, so who knows by how much that effects their spending money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 17 May, 2014 Share Posted 17 May, 2014 (edited) At the risk of sounding ITK.... ....someone told me that Lovren is expecting to leave Saints this summer. Apparently said goodbye to all the staff.... Edit:- The same person told me that Pochettino is definitely staying. We'll soon see how ITK they are I guess. Edited 17 May, 2014 by georgeweahscousin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 17 May, 2014 Share Posted 17 May, 2014 At the risk of sounding ITK.... ....someone told me that Lovren is expecting to leave Saints this summer. Apparently said goodbye to all the staff.... or maybe he is off to link up with his Croatian team mates for the World Cup? Disastrous if Lovren goes. St Chalet- name me a defender who is equal or better than Lovren that we can get for £5-10m? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 17 May, 2014 Share Posted 17 May, 2014 People need to consider it takes years for a squad to bond well with each other and want to play as a team not individuals, if we sell the backbone of out team i.e Lallana, Shaw, Lovren, Jrod, etc we will never be the same again any time soon! its total madness to sell more than two key players from our squad I'd go further in saying taking one player ou, Shaw specifically, could easily upset the balance of the whole side. When chairman are shipping mattresses to get that critical edge you know there are fine lines between winning and losing games. Those mm go out the window when you sell, what quite,frankly has been our whole left side and on occasions our best attacking weapon. I know there is a big difference between Fox and Shaw, but when Shaw was injured last season and Fox came in we were woeful. One player can tip,the balance. Obviously we'd hope to narrow the gulf in quality between Shaw and the replacement, but you will see a drop off in our attacking threat for certain and we will all look at the loss of Rodriguez or Lallana, but it will be no Shaw. I'd like to see us get one of these touted players sign a massive new contract just as Lallana did in league 1 as that was the start of everything. Alternatively put in a big big for someone to show we are going forward. Mind you everyone will just think we are doing a spurs and buys before selling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 17 May, 2014 Share Posted 17 May, 2014 or maybe he is off to link up with his Croatian team mates for the World Cup? Disastrous if Lovren goes. St Chalet- name me a defender who is equal or better than Lovren that we can get for £5-10m? Exactly what I said, but wasn't that 'type of goodbye'. Like I said no idea how reliable this info is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintsmike25 Posted 17 May, 2014 Share Posted 17 May, 2014 People thought Lovren was a risky signing when we brought him due to some French media not rating him. Again I have some faith if he was to be sold we could get a sturdy replacement, you have to remember with Dejan he was at a bigger club before us that played in the Champions League, and to move to us as a career move is a brief step down for him. I would say his ambitions will lie away from St Mary's - that's not to say he'd be the worse loss, I think we could very easily sign another decent CB, a question of who though is anyones guess. My sneaky suspicion is that we will get an ageing star who will join us, but will hold things steady at the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 17 May, 2014 Share Posted 17 May, 2014 If he had to go to Liverpool getting agger(who seems much less in favour there) as part of the deal might make it more palatable to me. All the rumours though are making my default position reject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 17 May, 2014 Share Posted 17 May, 2014 With out Lovren this season I don't think we'd be in the position we're in. If we sell half the players we're rumoured to then 17th (c dalek) will be a great achievement for next season. My admiration for the board, manager and players that have given us a great season will plummet accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 17 May, 2014 Share Posted 17 May, 2014 (edited) I'd go further in saying taking one player ou, Shaw specifically, could easily upset the balance of the whole side. When chairman are shipping mattresses to get that critical edge you know there are fine lines between winning and losing games. Those mm go out the window when you sell, what quite,frankly has been our whole left side and on occasions our best attacking weapon. I know there is a big difference between Fox and Shaw, but when Shaw was injured last season and Fox came in we were woeful. One player can tip,the balance. Obviously we'd hope to narrow the gulf in quality between Shaw and the replacement, but you will see a drop off in our attacking threat for certain and we will all look at the loss of Rodriguez or Lallana, but it will be no Shaw. I'd like to see us get one of these touted players sign a massive new contract just as Lallana did in league 1 as that was the start of everything. Alternatively put in a big big for someone to show we are going forward. Mind you everyone will just think we are doing a spurs and buys before selling. Disagree completely. In terms of understanding, the relationship between Lallana, Jrod and Lambert is far harder to reproduce. Shaw is an excellent player and Fox was out of his depth. But Shaw's contribution is felt far more as an individual, not because of how well he's linked with others. It could be argued that this is a relative weakness of his game -for instance, his cross selection still needs works -to learn where others are in the box and what runs they're making (if he's not going to look up as he tends to do). A transfer policy of plug and play might not be the end of the world in this respect, granted that any replacement won't be as good as Shaw in terms of individual ability. Edited 18 May, 2014 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 17 May, 2014 Share Posted 17 May, 2014 Would be surprised if Lovren is agitating for, or expecting a move. Always seemed content at the club and an integral presence in the dressing room. As Simon Peach tweeted yesterday, the real worry is how the new board are communicating with the players and whether that has become the most de-stablising influence rather than external forces. I'd never really worried about Lallana leaving the club given how effusive he was in media interviews about seeing out his career with us. It's only over the last 6 weeks or so that the mood has changed. Now he seems most likely to leave. How many hints have players like Fonte, Lambert, Lallana, Morgan, dropped in interviews that they want the board to demonstrate their ambition and intentions? None of that seems forthcoming... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 17 May, 2014 Share Posted 17 May, 2014 Also if Ads and Dej go to pool I will take up a new hobby of tw'atting every smug plastic southern scouse who feels the need to rub it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintrich Posted 17 May, 2014 Share Posted 17 May, 2014 If we sold Lovren for £20m, could probably get two of: Davide Astori, Steven Caulker and Cheikhou Kouyate (any other realistic centre back suggestions, anyone?) and still have a little bit of change left over. Or we could just keep Lovren and sign one of those... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tttdcs Posted 17 May, 2014 Share Posted 17 May, 2014 With the massive increase in Prem money, it's hard to know what is the "right" price to sell a player at. 1. Hopefully we don't sell any. 2. If we do, then hold on until after the world cup and get as much money as possible. Agree totally as above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 17 May, 2014 Share Posted 17 May, 2014 Only if they structured it £39m for Lovren £1m for Lallana. If they both go then I hope this is how we do it. It would give Bournemouth a real reason to hate us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 17 May, 2014 Share Posted 17 May, 2014 The Kraken Wakes! Glad I read the whole thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 17 May, 2014 Share Posted 17 May, 2014 If he had to go to Liverpool getting agger(who seems much less in favour there) as part of the deal might make it more palatable to me. All the rumours though are making my default position reject. Agger's one of their highest earners, so I assume if they do want to move him on that'll be part of the reason. Doubt we could afford his wages and he wouldn't want to come here anyway. I personally can't see Lovren moving on after one season in England. Moves are always rumoured when players come over and make an instant impact at a smaller club but they almost always stay past the first season. Benteke's a good example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 17 May, 2014 Author Share Posted 17 May, 2014 or maybe he is off to link up with his Croatian team mates for the World Cup? Disastrous if Lovren goes. St Chalet- name me a defender who is equal or better than Lovren that we can get for £5-10m? Astori was always quoted around the £10m mark. There will be other good value buys out there and quite sure the transfer committee will have been monitoring. However, at risk of losing face on SWF I have actually been now convinced by my peers on here that £20m in the current market probably isn't that appealing as I first believed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 18 May, 2014 Share Posted 18 May, 2014 You have peers? On here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 18 May, 2014 Share Posted 18 May, 2014 I'd go further in saying taking one player ou, Shaw specifically, could easily upset the balance of the whole side. When chairman are shipping mattresses to get that critical edge you know there are fine lines between winning and losing games. Those mm go out the window when you sell, what quite,frankly has been our whole left side and on occasions our best attacking weapon. I know there is a big difference between Fox and Shaw, but when Shaw was injured last season and Fox came in we were woeful. One player can tip,the balance. Obviously we'd hope to narrow the gulf in quality between Shaw and the replacement, but you will see a drop off in our attacking threat for certain and we will all look at the loss of Rodriguez or Lallana, but it will be no Shaw. I'd like to see us get one of these touted players sign a massive new contract just as Lallana did in league 1 as that was the start of everything. Alternatively put in a big big for someone to show we are going forward. Mind you everyone will just think we are doing a spurs and buys before selling. Generally agree with this unfortunately Southampton has always been a club known for nurturing young talent and selling it on at profit, its how we survive but its dam frustrating, just as we have assembled probably the best squad we've had in a long time (apart from upfront, looking very thin there at the moment) jrod is good enough, osvaldo a dsisater, ricky still very valuable player to us but the wrong side of 30. Saying that why sell players when we have the 90 million for finishing eighth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 18 May, 2014 Share Posted 18 May, 2014 (edited) If they both go then I hope this is how we do it. It would give Bournemouth a real reason to hate us. they'd only appeal to a tribunal and get a shedload at the end of the day. It's like back in the old days when certain types of shops couldn't trade on Sunday. There was an outfit round Bournemouth/Poole way who gave you a free carpet of your choice with a pound of carrots sold at the exact price of the carpet chosen. It lasted about 2 weeks I think before they got hauled before the relevant tribunal and heavily fined. Edited 18 May, 2014 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 18 May, 2014 Share Posted 18 May, 2014 I actually am more than happy paying Bournemouth millions if they are due it. Of course no one wants to pay if they can get away with it, but it's supposedly there and nothing can be done about it. The amount of money in the game is ridiculous, and the concentration of it at the top is just wrong with near zero redistribution throughout the leagues and grass roots. Just have to be grateful that it is a club to the west rather than the east. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 18 May, 2014 Share Posted 18 May, 2014 I've said it before, I'll say it again. I couldn't care less about the money, it's not like I'll see it. You do not become a better team by selling your best players. The more we lose, the more we have to sign. Which never works, you'll end up a squad of individuals. Yup. I don't know when fans became more excited about the club's finances than the quality of our first team players. It's an odd state of affairs. Me, I hope we keep our top 14 players, add a bit of quality up front and in goal and then continue with this bloody exciting project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW5 SAINT Posted 18 May, 2014 Share Posted 18 May, 2014 I actually am more than happy paying Bournemouth millions if they are due it. Of course no one wants to pay if they can get away with it, but it's supposedly there and nothing can be done about it. The amount of money in the game is ridiculous, and the concentration of it at the top is just wrong with near zero redistribution throughout the leagues and grass roots. Just have to be grateful that it is a club to the west rather than the east. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 18 May, 2014 Share Posted 18 May, 2014 I expected this to be Liverpool's first bid aimed in our direction - far more so than one for Lallana. Nearly all of the big club have major issues in the middle of the back row (key players aging or leaving or falling short on the quality front), so there will probably be huge competition for Lovren. I'll be very pleasantly shocked if he starts next season in our colours, but at least we should get a hell of a fee for him if he goes. Amazing really, the Scousers finish 2nd but still want to buy half the team finishing only 8th. Sounds like looney land up there to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 18 May, 2014 Share Posted 18 May, 2014 The 5 year project has been exciting but its ended...it was 5 years ago today that our administrator gave the exclusive purchase offer to Pinnacle, Leon Crouch laying down an unreturnable £500,000 to keep the club alive while Pinnacle and MLT found the cash...the rest is our 5 year miracle, ended Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydneysaint17 Posted 18 May, 2014 Share Posted 18 May, 2014 The 5 year project has been exciting but its ended...it was 5 years ago today that our administrator gave the exclusive purchase offer to Pinnacle, Leon Crouch laying down an unreturnable £500,000 to keep the club alive while Pinnacle and MLT found the cash...the rest is our 5 year miracle, ended Unless of course, KL and RK have proposed a new 5 year plan... (they have) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 18 May, 2014 Share Posted 18 May, 2014 Unless of course, KL and RK have proposed a new 5 year plan... (they have) Still 90% sure MP is staying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrZuess1979 the 2nd Posted 18 May, 2014 Share Posted 18 May, 2014 Unless of course, KL and RK have proposed a new 5 year plan... (they have) Hopefully this "new" 5 year plan is not, sell our best assets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydneysaint17 Posted 18 May, 2014 Share Posted 18 May, 2014 Still 90% sure MP is staying? Not quite so sure now, no. Haven't heard any new info, but if the initial info was correct, I thought it would be wrapped up by now! Sherwood sacking will have had an impact I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 18 May, 2014 Share Posted 18 May, 2014 Lovren would be very difficult to replace. I would rather the other 2 to go rather than him. Our defence was solid and he was a leader. He was the IMO one of the top 5 central defenders in the. PL last season Yes, agreed, and our competitors saw that as well. IIRC Liverpool were interested in Lovren last pre-season but we won the race to sign him,. They are likely interested in him still ..... or, as some have said, it's paper talk re-hashing interest from a year ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 We need to find a second decent CB, not flog the one we've got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 How much would relegation cost us? If we sell all our good players without decent replacements then that's a question worth considering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 We need to find a second decent CB, not flog the one we've got. This. I think it will be a priority for us this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goneawol Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 (edited) Dejan Lovren insists he is happy at Southampton http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11700/9317293/transfer-news-dejan-lovren-insists-he-is-happy-at-southampton http://sportske.jutarnji.hr/dejan-lover-nadomak-liverpoola--ne-znam-jos-nista--southampton-odlucuje-o-mojoj-sudbini-/1192530/ Edited 19 May, 2014 by goneawol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 Dejan Lovren insists he is happy at Southampton http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11700/9317293/transfer-news-dejan-lovren-insists-he-is-happy-at-southampton Well done Dejan for being one of the few to come out and say it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/11221670.Lovren_happy_at_Saints/?ref=twt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 I thought that was a bit ambiguous, to be honest. Might have suffered in translation. Good if he's keen to stay though and the optimist in me says he's been satisfied that MP is not off (or incoming is a good one) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 Well done Dejan and breaking ranks to say something (anything..) considering the total lack of communication from the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 Still means nothing,he is saying the right thing but if a offer comes in he could still go,only absolute cretins go on record and say they would jump at the chance of joining a bigger club So the only thing I can say right now is that the club is the one who decides." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 The guy is captain material, simply... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 Quite right. Better captain position than lallana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 Excellent news from Lovren. Glad he wants to stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 Amazing really, the Scousers finish 2nd but still want to buy half the team finishing only 8th. Sounds like looney land up there to me. But just imagine that 8th place team with Suarez up front............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 How much would relegation cost us? If we sell all our good players without decent replacements then that's a question worth considering. There seems to be this opinion that if we sell any players we won't replace them with decent signings. I can't work out why people think the owner and new board want to sell all our best players, keep the money and get relegated. I really don't think anyone at the club, or among the fans, wants that. I think there is however a realistic understanding that sometimes for what ever reason some players/staff want to move on. I can live with this as long as the money from their sales goes back in to the squad/stregthening the academy. I imagine everyone would be ****ed if we sell all our players and then KL puts the money towards a new private jet but I really can't see that happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsaints106 Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 Well done Dejan for being one of the few to come out and say it. +1 :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 Dejan Lovren insists he is happy at Southampton http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11700/9317293/transfer-news-dejan-lovren-insists-he-is-happy-at-southampton http://sportske.jutarnji.hr/dejan-lover-nadomak-liverpoola--ne-znam-jos-nista--southampton-odlucuje-o-mojoj-sudbini-/1192530/ Also in the Mirror http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-target-dejan-lovren-claims-3569822 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 Pleased Dejan has come out and said this, such a class act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 Love Dejan, such a legend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 19 May, 2014 Share Posted 19 May, 2014 But just imagine that 8th place team with Suarez up front............... Very good post. I just wonder where we would have finished? What do you think? Top 6,5,4? Maybe if Lovren hadn't got injured? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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