hypochondriac Posted 16 May, 2014 Share Posted 16 May, 2014 (edited) I see you now agree that the absence of a statement means that something is going on. Makes your impolite responses look as ill-judged as they are ill-mannered. I've put you on my ignore list and suggest you do the same for me as you don't want to raise your blood pressure. so my judgement of you as a giant baby was in fact completely correct. Of course something is going on, something is happening every single day but nothing has yet happened that warrants any sort of response from the club. When players leave or they decide to stay for whatever reason will be the time for statements and telling us stuff. Your grizzling because you haven't had any update since Sunday is pathetic and 99% of posters in this thread (save for Alpine) have agreed. Oh and thanks for the suggestion but I won't be putting you on ignore. Fortunately my blood pressure is not adversely affected by a few posts on an internet forum. Edited 16 May, 2014 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 16 May, 2014 Share Posted 16 May, 2014 Players who have been rumoured to be on the move and our head coach are under contract, and we've said we don't need to sell, and actually, that we are looking at players to come in. Therefore, until anything changes, nothing needs to be said. Players might leave, the manager might leave and I' like many, will be gutted if that happens but some of the over-reaction to nothing being said when nothing needs to be said is hilarious, and also annoying as you can, if you're not careful, get dragged into it. Please go and cut your grass, have a gin and tonic, or get back to work instead of worrying over nothing You should definitely post more than once a month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 16 May, 2014 Share Posted 16 May, 2014 The responses to my post are crap. There are not even any rumours coming out, let alone official announcements. I consider signings without departures to be highly unlikely this summer. I am not even talking about signings, I am talking about securing our manager and our existing players. Have any of you heard a single rumour that the club have come to terms with our manager or our star plaers ? They really aren't. Every year it's the same thing, and you fail to grasp it. Just because you havent heard anything that means nothing happens. remember last year, your little meltdown at how poorly we were run, because you heard no incoming rumours about players? What happened? Oh yeah, Lovren signed a couple of days later, how did that work out. No one is saying there are rumours of managers or players staying. Things will be going on behind the scenes, what do you want? "The clubs is talking to MP, and the Liverpool/Utd and Lallana/Shaw?" What exactly does that tell us? There is interest in the players/manager? Well, yeah, we knew that. Until things have been resolved, there is no point releasing a statement. You aren't exactly scared of trotting out your oh so brilliant "all fart no sh*t" line, what exactly would a statement right now be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 16 May, 2014 Share Posted 16 May, 2014 I don't see how you can come to any conclusions on the basis of no information. So you're not a journalist then mate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 16 May, 2014 Share Posted 16 May, 2014 so my judgement of you as a giant baby was in fact completely correct. Of course something is going on, something is happening every single day but nothing has yet happened that warrants any sort of response from the club. When players leave or they decide to stay for whatever reason will be the time for statements and telling us stuff. Your grizzling because you haven't had any update since Sunday is pathetic and 99% of posters in this thread (save for Alpine) have agreed. Oh and thanks for the suggestion but I won't be putting you on ignore. Fortunately my blood pressure is not adversely affected by a few posts on an internet forum. Thought I'd better quote you as you are on ignore... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 16 May, 2014 Share Posted 16 May, 2014 One thing we have learned over the last week is that the media, both broadcast and print, see Southampton as a selling club, even as a club that needs to sell to survive. Some people might say that this impression is a hangover from the administration period when the club sold Walcott and Bale but the sale of Oxlade-Chamberlain in 2011 during the Cortese period could be taken by the media as evidence that not much has changed. Fans may know that it was largely Mark Chamberlain who influenced his son, but the impression remains. If the media think Southampton are a selling club its hardly surprising that the people running Tottenham, Man Utd and Liverpool think the same. What the Saints' fans are entitled to know, since we fund the club through our support, is whether this is true. If it is true, all the Chairman can do is to try to get the best price for the players we produce which may best be done by appearing reluctant to sell. On the other hand if we really are not a selling club any more, then a strong statement is needed to dispel the impression that seems to be widely held both outside and perhaps even inside the club. Such statements were being reported a few weeks ago when it was said that no player would leave who the manager did not want to leave. But the present silence does nothing to back that up. If the club intends to hold people to their contracts its quite simple to say so. If it isn't sure, then the silence is deafening, "come and take what you want, but do it quietly...." A very good OP, Prof. There are two statements made recently that ring hard. 'Financial difficulties' and ' solutions'. No wonder the whole world thinks we are up for sale. It is time that Mr Chairman makes a positive statement of intent, because the uncertainty is affecting morale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 16 May, 2014 Share Posted 16 May, 2014 A very good OP, Prof. There are two statements made recently that ring hard. 'Financial difficulties' and ' solutions'. No wonder the whole world thinks we are up for sale. It is time that Mr Chairman makes a positive statement of intent, because the uncertainty is affecting morale. Ignoring the several statements that no player MP want to keep being sold from RK, the several comments about the desire to keep MP and Reed's pretty bold recent statement? What more do you want to be said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 16 May, 2014 Share Posted 16 May, 2014 Thought I'd better quote you as you are on ignore... Thanks mate . He definitely already looked at it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 16 May, 2014 Share Posted 16 May, 2014 Ignoring the several statements that no player MP want to keep being sold from RK, the several comments about the desire to keep MP and Reed's pretty bold recent statement? What more do you want to be said? A side from Reed's statement every attempted strong statement has been offset by a comment or indication that we'll do our best but we only little old Southampton who can't really compete with others. Certainly true in some cases but I don't see all these emphatic statements about our future plans. The classic is Ralfs comment about accepting whatever the football gods decide. That's helpful Ralf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 16 May, 2014 Share Posted 16 May, 2014 What exactly do you want the club to state? There is nothing to put out a statement on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Second Coming Posted 16 May, 2014 Share Posted 16 May, 2014 One thing we have learned over the last week is that the media, both broadcast and print, see Southampton as a selling club, even as a club that needs to sell to survive. Some people might say that this impression is a hangover from the administration period when the club sold Walcott and Bale but the sale of Oxlade-Chamberlain in 2011 during the Cortese period could be taken by the media as evidence that not much has changed. Fans may know that it was largely Mark Chamberlain who influenced his son, but the impression remains. If the media think Southampton are a selling club its hardly surprising that the people running Tottenham, Man Utd and Liverpool think the same. What the Saints' fans are entitled to know, since we fund the club through our support, is whether this is true. If it is true, all the Chairman can do is to try to get the best price for the players we produce which may best be done by appearing reluctant to sell. On the other hand if we really are not a selling club any more, then a strong statement is needed to dispel the impression that seems to be widely held both outside and perhaps even inside the club. Such statements were being reported a few weeks ago when it was said that no player would leave who the manager did not want to leave. But the present silence does nothing to back that up. If the club intends to hold people to their contracts its quite simple to say so. If it isn't sure, then the silence is deafening, "come and take what you want, but do it quietly...." On the way home from the Manchester United game, Ralph gave a live and honest interview to Adam Blackmore. Find it and listen to it. It's more than Woodward said this week and he HAS to say things by law because of market conditions. I need to know NOTHING more. Fans on here would do well to either: a) feck off on holiday and come back in August, to avoid the stress they are apparently feeling b) grow a pair and act like they have achieved a mental age beyond 13 c) understand that all of this is a game played out in the media for the benefit of the media to SELL media... Your Chairman stated clearly that the board will do what is in the best interests of the club. That means buying and selling footballers. Are Spurs lacking ambition because they sold Bale? Are United lacking ambition because they sold Ronaldo? No. These clubs are all trying to be more successful. And being successful is about making decisions. Which are being made. If he came out tomorrow and said that none of our players were for sale, it would simply be a message to up their value. And no-one would believe him anyway. EVERY footballer is for sale at the right price if it suits the club and/or player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COMEONYOUREDS Posted 16 May, 2014 Share Posted 16 May, 2014 Ridiculous. Get a grip ffs, they are not going to issue a statement unless something actually happens, and it hasn't yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 16 May, 2014 Share Posted 16 May, 2014 Ridiculous. Get a grip ffs, they are not going to issue a statement unless something actually happens, and it hasn't yet Careful, Professor will announce he is putting you on ignore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 16 May, 2014 Share Posted 16 May, 2014 Heres a statement from the Chairman A revolution is not a dinner party, or writing an essay, or painting a picture, or doing embroidery; it cannot be so refined, so leisurely and gentle, so temperate, kind, courteous, restrained and magnanimous. A revolution is an insurrection, an act of violence by which one class overthrows another.” I couldnt resist a quote from Mr Mao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Second Coming Posted 16 May, 2014 Share Posted 16 May, 2014 A very good OP, Prof. There are two statements made recently that ring hard. 'Financial difficulties' and ' solutions'. No wonder the whole world thinks we are up for sale. It is time that Mr Chairman makes a positive statement of intent, because the uncertainty is affecting morale. Whose? Yours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 16 May, 2014 Share Posted 16 May, 2014 One thing we have learned over the last week is that the media, both broadcast and print, see Southampton as a selling club, even as a club that needs to sell to survive. Some people might say that this impression is a hangover from the administration period when the club sold Walcott and Bale but the sale of Oxlade-Chamberlain in 2011 during the Cortese period could be taken by the media as evidence that not much has changed. Fans may know that it was largely Mark Chamberlain who influenced his son, but the impression remains. If the media think Southampton are a selling club its hardly surprising that the people running Tottenham, Man Utd and Liverpool think the same. What the Saints' fans are entitled to know, since we fund the club through our support, is whether this is true. If it is true, all the Chairman can do is to try to get the best price for the players we produce which may best be done by appearing reluctant to sell. On the other hand if we really are not a selling club any more, then a strong statement is needed to dispel the impression that seems to be widely held both outside and perhaps even inside the club. Such statements were being reported a few weeks ago when it was said that no player would leave who the manager did not want to leave. But the present silence does nothing to back that up. If the club intends to hold people to their contracts its quite simple to say so. If it isn't sure, then the silence is deafening, "come and take what you want, but do it quietly...." Completely agree. Some season ticket holders will be wondering whether to renew. They will want to know if it is going to be worth it or if we are a club in crisis about to let a good manager go and a team of potential great players be ripped apart. We are as close to kicking on to the next level as we have ever been. It's time to invest and sat once and for all we are no longer a feeder club. It's our moment. Come on Saints show some guts and make a statement that says NO SALES NO RELEASES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 16 May, 2014 Share Posted 16 May, 2014 If the club intends to hold people to their contracts its quite simple to say so. why do we give people contracts in the first place - if we don't expect to hold to them? Do your employers issue a statement regularly saying that YOU are still under contract? I agree with others on here.......Wait until the situation changes and then tell us. Meanwhile, find something more productive to help keep your blood pressure down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 16 May, 2014 Share Posted 16 May, 2014 The irony of this debate is that eelpie is spot on. It is effecting morale and the very fact this post is up and running and people are getting at each other already demonstrates that! There is uncertainty and a looming threat of a lack of ambition and leadership creeping in -it needs a swift response - unequivocal statement that says no managerial release and no players - we need to hear that we are no longer a selling club and kill this reputation once and for all. Europe here we come!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintalan Posted 16 May, 2014 Share Posted 16 May, 2014 Whose morale, I find most posts on this thread quite uplifting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 16 May, 2014 Share Posted 16 May, 2014 On the way home from the Manchester United game, Ralph gave a live and honest interview to Adam Blackmore. Find it and listen to it. It's more than Woodward said this week and he HAS to say things by law because of market conditions. I need to know NOTHING more. Fans on here would do well to either: a) feck off on holiday and come back in August, to avoid the stress they are apparently feeling b) grow a pair and act like they have achieved a mental age beyond 13 c) understand that all of this is a game played out in the media for the benefit of the media to SELL media... Your Chairman stated clearly that the board will do what is in the best interests of the club. That means buying and selling footballers. Are Spurs lacking ambition because they sold Bale? Are United lacking ambition because they sold Ronaldo? No. These clubs are all trying to be more successful. And being successful is about making decisions. Which are being made. If he came out tomorrow and said that none of our players were for sale, it would simply be a message to up their value. And no-one would believe him anyway. EVERY footballer is for sale at the right price if it suits the club and/or player. Bang on, my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 16 May, 2014 Author Share Posted 16 May, 2014 The irony of this debate is that eelpie is spot on. It is effecting morale and the very fact this post is up and running and people are getting at each other already demonstrates that! There is uncertainty and a looming threat of a lack of ambition and leadership creeping in -it needs a swift response - unequivocal statement that says no managerial release and no players - we need to hear that we are no longer a selling club and kill this reputation once and for all. Europe here we come!! This is the reaction I would have expected from more fans. It is disappointing that quite a few seem content if our new board rolls over to have its tummy tickled by the 'Big' clubs. I hope that's not what is happening but the silence suggests otherwise. If a decision was taken at a Board meeting on Wednesday to allow people to leave, it is understandable that no statements would be made whilst the negotiations were under way. On the other hand, if a decision was made to stick with previous policy, as helpfully outlined by NickG at post 26, a statement to that effect would be required, not only to tell the three interested clubs, but the rest of football, that Southampton are not in the market to sell. The more time that has passed with the silence continuing, the more probable it becomes that when an announcement is made, it will be that one or more people are leaving. You could say that its not so much the silence that has concerned me, as what that silence appears to indicate. If I am wrong, I will be very pleased, as I imagine most Saints' fans would be. If we are losing these three, its hard to see how that would make the team stronger next season or make our Premier League status more secure. It would also attract the vultures to other pickings in our squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Jude Posted 16 May, 2014 Share Posted 16 May, 2014 so if the board met on Wednesday and if they discussed bids for Ads/Shaw and an approach for MoPo.. which stance could they take which would conclude in 2 days and allow them to come up with an announcement... Good chance that players are in 2 minds dependant on MoPo staying and whether there will be investment in the club... MoPo probably something similar... so inevitably... even if teh club are making a serious effort to get them to stay.. that there is some negotiation going on... as per other posts... the 'no players are leaving statements' just make them look like liars.. when they get a good bid.. and the player wants to leave... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 16 May, 2014 Share Posted 16 May, 2014 so if the board met on Wednesday and if they discussed bids for Ads/Shaw and an approach for MoPo.. which stance could they take which would conclude in 2 days and allow them to come up with an announcement... Good chance that players are in 2 minds dependant on MoPo staying and whether there will be investment in the club... MoPo probably something similar... so inevitably... even if teh club are making a serious effort to get them to stay.. that there is some negotiation going on... as per other posts... the 'no players are leaving statements' just make them look like liars.. when they get a good bid.. and the player wants to leave... It wouldn't make them look like liars, it would make them look like clueless fools. Surely a liar knows what he's saying to be untrue, not sure that would be the case with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 16 May, 2014 Share Posted 16 May, 2014 There are two statements made recently that ring hard. 'Financial difficulties' and ' solutions'. No wonder the whole world thinks we are up for sale. Le God Second Coming: c) understand that all of this is a game played out in the media for the benefit of the media to SELL media... When I said this sort of thing, I was taken to task for it, but you two seem to have got away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 16 May, 2014 Share Posted 16 May, 2014 The season ended five days ago. Read Les Reed's statement again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 16 May, 2014 Author Share Posted 16 May, 2014 Valid comment, Saint Jude. Pochettino could be holding out to see if he gets an offer from Tottenham, which the Board might feel they can't block, and they could need a couple of days to tell the players that the approaches are being refused. All possible, but it is now close of business on Friday and still silent. Whilst its hard to keep a manager who wants to go, especially if he's only got a year left on his contract, it is possible to hold players who are on 4-year contracts. For a player to go on strike is very unlikely, and to play poorly would affect his own future career so is also unlikely. A club statement repeating that bids have been rejected and that players will not leave unless the manager agrees to a departure covers your point about a higher bid coming along. You are right that there will be a point where the money can add more to the team than the retention of the player, which would be consistent with what we thought the policy was, although I'm not sure that worked for Tottenham over Bale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 16 May, 2014 Share Posted 16 May, 2014 I've been out on my bike and I'm disgusted that in the 3hrs I've been gone the board have made no statement of any form on anything. How will I know whether to renew now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 16 May, 2014 Share Posted 16 May, 2014 Valid comment, Saint Jude. Pochettino could be holding out to see if he gets an offer from Tottenham, which the Board might feel they can't block, and they could need a couple of days to tell the players that the approaches are being refused. All possible, but it is now close of business on Friday and still silent. Whilst its hard to keep a manager who wants to go, especially if he's only got a year left on his contract, it is possible to hold players who are on 4-year contracts. For a player to go on strike is very unlikely, and to play poorly would affect his own future career so is also unlikely. A club statement repeating that bids have been rejected and that players will not leave unless the manager agrees to a departure covers your point about a higher bid coming along. You are right that there will be a point where the money can add more to the team than the retention of the player, which would be consistent with what we thought the policy was, although I'm not sure that worked for Tottenham over Bale. Surely Pochettino can't get an offer from Tottenham unless the board permit him to speak with them, it's all very Catch 22. However I presume he has an agent who might well get or have got already the basic outlines of an offer from Tottenham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 16 May, 2014 Author Share Posted 16 May, 2014 I've been out on my bike and I'm disgusted that in the 3hrs I've been gone the board have made no statement of any form on anything. How will I know whether to renew now? You may have missed the activity on the OS. Perhaps the reports on 17-yr old Josh Sims part in the England u-17 squad might help you, although even those are more than 3 hours old. Seems that the OS is a bit limited today. Hope you enjoyed the bike ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 16 May, 2014 Share Posted 16 May, 2014 This thread has gone nowhere in 79 posts. Will someone please send me an urgent PM me if it continues to go nowhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 16 May, 2014 Author Share Posted 16 May, 2014 Surely Pochettino can't get an offer from Tottenham unless the board permit him to speak with them, it's all very Catch 22. However I presume he has an agent who might well get or have got already the basic outlines of an offer from Tottenham. I think you are correct but it may not be practical to refuse to allow him to speak to them. The most effective block may be Cortese's clause in MP's contract requiring him to pay the compensation personally if he goes. You didn't have to like Cortese to respect him as a chairman and its too soon yet to make a judgement on what little we know of Kruger but this episode could be his opportunity to make an impact with the fans. Lets hope he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 16 May, 2014 Share Posted 16 May, 2014 I think you are correct but it may not be practical to refuse to allow him to speak to them. The most effective block may be Cortese's clause in MP's contract requiring him to pay the compensation personally if he goes. You didn't have to like Cortese to respect him as a chairman and its too soon yet to make a judgement on what little we know of Kruger but this episode could be his opportunity to make an impact with the fans. Lets hope he does. These pay it yourself clauses have existed before, think it was Ronaldo (not CR7) who had to pay his own buy out clause, Nike just advanced him the money. Thus it didn't come from the club he was going to, just one of their sponsors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 17 May, 2014 Share Posted 17 May, 2014 still overdue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 17 May, 2014 Share Posted 17 May, 2014 Thank goodness the WC will be here soon to take everyones mind away from this kind of stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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