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Weird question. Why should she not have everyone's support? She is better than 90% of owners out there, certainly miles better than all the other owners Saints have had. Her only major mistake was to allow a potless employee with an ego to take all the credit for where her money has got us.

 

For those crying because the free money tap might have been turned off, and we have to be self sustaining, boo hoo. The five year goal was always to self sustaining.

 

Absolutely this. Luckily the major mistake has now been resolved.

 

Just a weeping bunch of toddlers in the fanbase to deal with really.

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hobby v business, this is a business for her but a passionate hobby for us, its a different ball game when its your cash.

 

100% support for what she has done and am happy to accept her decisions which i expect will be based on fact and cold hard logic, sometimes its better to not have a passionate person in charge as we have seen many a ship go down via that approach.

 

Until proved otherwise we will always be middle of the league type club and if we play awesome football and develop awesome players I will be happy, we could be west ham and if we don't push on I think the vibe on here which could be one of anger would be purely driven by the fact some supporters had their hopes up and its the disappoint that drives the resentment, step back, chill and just enjoy the world cup and see how next season develops.

 

Well said.

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We will push on.

 

We will become a CL club,

 

We will transfer the Technology of our Academy around the globe so that we have 100 Academies sending the best of the world to us and those that aren't PL ready will be sent to MLS or J & A League or even La Liga.

 

(All Ralph has to do is find the second part of the business plan in a second hand filing cabinet that NC probably threw out because it didn't have Gucci on the front of it - first part worked alright eh Ralphie baby?)

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First up, there can be no doubt that KL and her family have done great things for the club. However, I am not sure 'support' is the right word though because one can support some decisions made and not be happy with others... A better word is 'respect' - she will have that from me whatever decisions are made now or in the future, simply because she has earned that through the honouring of her father's legacy.

 

 

That does not mean though that as a fan I can't be unhappy or disillusioned at the strategies or approaches the board now takes, should they move to 'comfortable' with a prem place without any real vision to see year on year progress, which is surely the aim of any sporting individual or club. And it's year on year progress that should be the aim. For that means targeting 62-65 points next season. To achieve that we need consistency, and to keep the majority of talent we have and ensure we find adequate replacement for the talent we lose. The start has to be retaining MP. Not because he is some god like irreplaceable football genius, but because of the consistency he brings and in retaining the squad as much as possible. It really should be a no brainer... And I suspect that the only delays in ensuring MP extends his contract is that until now, the right noises have not been been made re squad retention or re-investment. I don't believe those who suggest MP wants assurance to spend huge amounts; he took the Job on knowing it was always about youth and being through talent... But probably had assurances that we would not do an espanyol on him and sell it all the moment it showed any promise.. Once bitten etc.

 

 

This is where KL and the new board can show their intentions and commitment to the next 5 years. Not by providing millions, but by resisting the advances to cash in, and recognising that we can only progress if we let MP and this squad realise their potential. It will also unite and cement the fan base in support of the direction they are taking.

 

 

So, I can say I support KL, have respect for her, but the jury is still out on whether I can/should support her plans or strategy.

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First up, there can be no doubt that KL and her family have done great things for the club. However, I am not sure 'support' is the right word though because one can support some decisions made and not be happy with others... A better word is 'respect' - she will have that from me whatever decisions are made now or in the future, simply because she has earned that through the honouring of her father's legacy.

 

 

That does not mean though that as a fan I can't be unhappy or disillusioned at the strategies or approaches the board now takes, should they move to 'comfortable' with a prem place without any real vision to see year on year progress, which is surely the aim of any sporting individual or club. And it's year on year progress that should be the aim. For that means targeting 62-65 points next season. To achieve that we need consistency, and to keep the majority of talent we have and ensure we find adequate replacement for the talent we lose. The start has to be retaining MP. Not because he is some god like irreplaceable football genius, but because of the consistency he brings and in retaining the squad as much as possible. It really should be a no brainer... And I suspect that the only delays in ensuring MP extends his contract is that until now, the right noises have not been been made re squad retention or re-investment. I don't believe those who suggest MP wants assurance to spend huge amounts; he took the Job on knowing it was always about youth and being through talent... But probably had assurances that we would not do an espanyol on him and sell it all the moment it showed any promise.. Once bitten etc.

 

 

This is where KL and the new board can show their intentions and commitment to the next 5 years. Not by providing millions, but by resisting the advances to cash in, and recognising that we can only progress if we let MP and this squad realise their potential. It will also unite and cement the fan base in support of the direction they are taking.

 

 

So, I can say I support KL, have respect for her, but the jury is still out on whether I can/should support her plans or strategy.

 

You expect us to finish 5th, 6th or maybe 7th (probably 6th on those points).

 

What happens if we keep all the players but are 12th at Christmas? What will you be saying then? Sack the manager? Because 12th at Christmas would be effing pathetic wouldn't it?

 

How badly do you want this 6th place? Because remember you're the new improved super ambitious Franko, aren't you?

 

So. 12th at Christmas. What then?

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First up, there can be no doubt that KL and her family have done great things for the club. However, I am not sure 'support' is the right word though because one can support some decisions made and not be happy with others... A better word is 'respect' - she will have that from me whatever decisions are made now or in the future, simply because she has earned that through the honouring of her father's legacy.

 

 

That does not mean though that as a fan I can't be unhappy or disillusioned at the strategies or approaches the board now takes, should they move to 'comfortable' with a prem place without any real vision to see year on year progress, which is surely the aim of any sporting individual or club. And it's year on year progress that should be the aim. For that means targeting 62-65 points next season. To achieve that we need consistency, and to keep the majority of talent we have and ensure we find adequate replacement for the talent we lose. The start has to be retaining MP. Not because he is some god like irreplaceable football genius, but because of the consistency he brings and in retaining the squad as much as possible. It really should be a no brainer... And I suspect that the only delays in ensuring MP extends his contract is that until now, the right noises have not been been made re squad retention or re-investment. I don't believe those who suggest MP wants assurance to spend huge amounts; he took the Job on knowing it was always about youth and being through talent... But probably had assurances that we would not do an espanyol on him and sell it all the moment it showed any promise.. Once bitten etc.

 

 

This is where KL and the new board can show their intentions and commitment to the next 5 years. Not by providing millions, but by resisting the advances to cash in, and recognising that we can only progress if we let MP and this squad realise their potential. It will also unite and cement the fan base in support of the direction they are taking.

 

 

So, I can say I support KL, have respect for her, but the jury is still out on whether I can/should support her plans or strategy.

 

Can you humor me and change your name to "Frank Spencer"?

 

I only make it to the first (Sometimes second) paragraph, but I just see the poster as Frank, read a few lines and then always get this image in my head.

 

 

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Support, yes.

 

Trust, not yet. A lot of that will be based on how much of the money for sold players that will be used to strengthen the squad.

 

Once you start to save money from transfers and not reinvesting that in your squad you will go backwards very fast.

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She wears a scarf. What's not to like.

Funny that some think she will be culpable if players leave. They will leave Saints just like players have always left clubs. Even likes of arsenal, Utd, Spurs have to accept this as always be a bigger predator. Some of you are so ungrateful.

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I think it has been said above and I agree with it. i think she has our best interest at heart, but will always loook to apply a decent business model to it though, i.e. we must be sustainable and have sustainable growth.

 

She could spend 60 million now to bring in the best and the brightest but if they don't act as a cohesive unit, for whatever reason, (look at United) that is not sustainable, even with the financial fair play rules.

 

And one other thing, and this is just a guess. If we love our parents sometimes we feel compelled after they have gone to fulfill their wishes for them as a tribute. This is quite a strong driver as well.

 

I think we are in good safe hands for now.

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As others have said we could do a lot (lot) worse. I really don't get the feeling she has anything but the best interests of the club at heart (even if it is from a purely business point of view that running the club badly would just make it worth less) the best interests of the club and some fans desires might not be the same thing though.

The problem as I see it was NC promised the earth, and some people really brought into that, those same people now expect KL to follow through on NCs vision. You can't help feeling that some supporters tied themselves so closely to NCs vision that, despite their words, they really want the new board and owner to fail just so they can be proved right about their opinions on NC.

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As others have said we could do a lot (lot) worse. I really don't get the feeling she has anything but the best interests of the club at heart (even if it is from a purely business point of view that running the club badly would just make it worth less) the best interests of the club and some fans desires might not be the same thing though.

The problem as I see it was NC promised the earth, and some people really brought into that, those same people now expect KL to follow through on NCs vision. You can't help feeling that some supporters tied themselves so closely to NCs vision that, despite their words, they really want the new board and owner to fail just so they can be proved right about their opinions on NC.

 

Great post, clear opinion and argument that deserves a measured response from one of the 'visionistas' ;-)

 

Some have suspect deliberately failed to see the difference between supporting a man, and being supportive of a strategy/ approach to progress.

 

I am unashamedly supportive of the ambition and direction NC was trying to deliver. The REAL version, which was always about sustainable growth based on a foundation of developing talent via a top academy. Not sure anyone can really disagree with that.

 

But for that to we effective in ensuring progress, things need to happen; 1) we need to have a stable financial background so that we can resist advances for our talent until it's that little bit older so we get the max value and benefit from them whilst they are here, 2) we need to resist the 'cash in now' approach, and c) understand that we will need some additions as you win nothing with kids etc.... To me that is a sound approach and achievable. It's not a pep dream, unrealistic or ridiculous that any of that is not possible.

 

All NC did was be 100% behind that and in his personal belief that it could yield spectacular results and make us more competitive - everyone quite rightly has their own opinion on the relative probability of achieving and success through that approach and this forum seems to have the full spectrum form the extreme cynics to the Barry optimists. I just happened to like the philosophy of not simply accepting our place, and enjoyed the infectious enthusiasm and belief that it was possible. - again some find that 'ridiculous' , I would suggest it's just a more Positive frame of mind aligned to the fact that no matter how much you support a club, the ultimate aim has to be about progress and success - it's what sporting competition is all about... If some just want to take part, that's up to them, but the thought that there is a ceiling for most clubs, is depressing and will only see the prem eventually lose it's appeal.

 

So despite the **** take over my previous post, I stand by it. KL and her late father should always have EVERY fans respect for what they have done. But the jury is out whether I can be supportive of the direction and approach they will take.

 

Gemma's or should I call you Betty? , I expected a bit more humour/better from you. CB Fry is simply a sword namer and as such no longer dignified with any response.

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I think KL has shown a growing fondness for the club. She has replaced one executive with a board of executives which will give us better governance. As others have said she is smart enough to realise that the asset that was purchased for £14m and invested to the tune of £36m is now worth £150-200m if we look at the Villa price whilst still in the Prem, I don't think she'll risk de-valuing that asset.

 

If you don't move forwards in this league you go backwards.

 

In answer to the OP, yes she does have my full support for now.

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I definately support KL and am grateful for her and Markus's support since 2009. I agree with St Chalet that the new structure will eventually result in better oversight and governance despite a few teething issues. I do believe that the club's long-term best interests and legacy are being served even if some unpopular decisions have to be made from time to time. Anyone who was a regular in 2008/9 will understand what I'm saying - home defeats to Doncaster etc, 14,000 gates and a boycott, unruly AGM, crowd unrest, totally uncompetitive team. We are miles away from that now, credit of course to NC too, but it's important to remember this when the latest article appears in the Daily Mail. If players do go, we'll move on like we always have and find new heroes - right back to Chivers and then Channon, Williams, Wright, Wallace bros, Shearer, Flowers, Richards, Bridge, Theo, Bale, Ox.

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Well for what it is worth that young lady has my total respect. She didn't sell as soon as her late great father died

when I suspect, but of course don't know, that others may have advised her to. She appears to have gradually taken

to being the owner of a foreign, to her, football club and looks like she will be there for a long time.

 

Some on here make me laugh - cringe when they say she should spend her money because they say she must.

I wonder what their reaction would be if a stranger went up to them demanding money to be spent on them ?

Probably call the police and claim that person tried to mug them.

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At this point i hope she is the owner for the next 30 years, she has backed us into the prem and a stable owner can only be a good thing, but maybe with hindsight I will regret that statement.

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My view at the moment is that she does have the interests of SFC and its fans but if matters evolve in the worst way for us with both manager and a serious number of players being sold, her legacy and that of Ralph Kreuger will be labelled as amateurs in a market populated with sharks eager to maintain the TV money for their clubs. We will see.

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Well for what it is worth that young lady has my total respect. She didn't sell as soon as her late great father died

when I suspect, but of course don't know, that others may have advised her to. She appears to have gradually taken

to being the owner of a foreign, to her, football club and looks like she will be there for a long time.

 

Some on here make me laugh - cringe when they say she should spend her money because they say she must.

I wonder what their reaction would be if a stranger went up to them demanding money to be spent on them ?

Probably call the police and claim that person tried to mug them.

 

Nobody is demanding she spend her money. Several are, however, interested in what strategy there is to with respect to investing the Clubs commercial and TV money, and how this might impact on whether we continue to progress, or stagnate. There is an inconsistency between what the club have said re-finance and what the released accounts suggest etc. so it's difficult to know what our reals situation is, and thus what as fans we might think is the best direction to take.

 

My take is that we are in OK shape. Yes we have probably some 40mil in liabilities on transfers and the academy to be spread over the next couple of years. Given that that 13/14 revenue will be I excess of 100mil, I believe the club could self sustain these payments, nits contractual obligations and still have funding available for transfers and contract improvements without the need to sell... I could be wrong, but that's going on the accounts from last year and assuming some 30-40% wage increases fir this season (which may be overkill)

 

So no need for KL to spend her money... Unless you are suggesting you would be comfortable for the clubs cash to be taken out of the club and as fans we have no right to think that would be a bad thing?

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Nobody is demanding she spend her money. Several are, however, interested in what strategy there is to with respect to investing the Clubs commercial and TV money, and how this might impact on whether we continue to progress, or stagnate. There is an inconsistency between what the club have said re-finance and what the released accounts suggest etc. so it's difficult to know what our reals situation is, and thus what as fans we might think is the best direction to take.

 

My take is that we are in OK shape. Yes we have probably some 40mil in liabilities on transfers and the academy to be spread over the next couple of years. Given that that 13/14 revenue will be I excess of 100mil, I believe the club could self sustain these payments, nits contractual obligations and still have funding available for transfers and contract improvements without the need to sell... I could be wrong, but that's going on the accounts from last year and assuming some 30-40% wage increases fir this season (which may be overkill)

 

So no need for KL to spend her money... Unless you are suggesting you would be comfortable for the clubs cash to be taken out of the club and as fans we have no right to think that would be a bad thing?

 

Nobody is demanding she spend her money?

 

But you are demanding we finish sixth next season, aren't you?

 

And you are demanding we spend a mere 40% more on wages, which assuming our wage bill went up a fair bit last season anyway with three huge signings, would be taking us to somewhere close to eighty odd million a season. Just on wages.

 

And we don't sell anyone but presumably you want us to sign some players too...Because heaven forbid we don't finish sixth in case Drunk old Franko gets bored.

 

But yeah. No one is demanding she spend her money.

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Nobody is demanding she spend her money?

 

But you are demanding we finish sixth next season, aren't you?

 

And you are demanding we spend a mere 40% more on wages, which assuming our wage bill went up a fair bit last season anyway with three huge signings, would be taking us to somewhere close to eighty odd million a season. Just on wages.

 

And we don't sell anyone but presumably you want us to sign some players too...Because heaven forbid we don't finish sixth in case Drunk old Franko gets bored.

 

But yeah. No one is demanding she spend her money.

 

not only are you quite simply the most unpleasant arrogant tw a t left on here, you are obviously the most stupid as well.... You obviously can't read or understand, yet like most ignorant fools jump in and spout your opinionated patronizing garbage at every opportunity.

 

1. No where have I demanded we spend an extra 40% on wages you daft prat, I merely estimated the 13/14 wage bill as up to 30-40 % more that 12/13, the last season we have official figures for.... Which would give us a current wage bill of around 60mil against a forecast revenue of approx 110mil... Which at a 55% ration is not worrying.

 

 

as for 'drunk old Franco' well if that's the best you can come up with, it makes you an ever sadder individual. I am simply astonished that anyone can get so caught up in themselves over opinions on football that they are so unpleasant and miserable bitter human beings. Seriously you need help if you find such comment either amusing or satisfying.

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not only are you quite simply the most unpleasant arrogant tw a t left on here, you are obviously the most stupid as well.... You obviously can't read or understand, yet like most ignorant fools jump in and spout your opinionated patronizing garbage at every opportunity.

 

1. No where have I demanded we spend an extra 40% on wages you daft prat, I merely estimated the 13/14 wage bill as up to 30-40 % more that 12/13, the last season we have official figures for.... Which would give us a current wage bill of around 60mil against a forecast revenue of approx 110mil... Which at a 55% ration is not worrying.

 

 

as for 'drunk old Franco' well if that's the best you can come up with, it makes you an ever sadder individual. I am simply astonished that anyone can get so caught up in themselves over opinions on football that they are so unpleasant and miserable bitter human beings. Seriously you need help if you find such comment either amusing or satisfying.

 

But you are demanding we finish sixth, or are you going to pretend you never said that too, even though you've put your little points target on here several times.

 

And we're now achieving on a wage bill a fraction of the biggest clubs in the land, then. Fine.

 

My main problem with you is the petulant child you have become post Cortese, having stupidly swallowing the Italian's pie in the sky bulls hit you then decided would have all definitely happened were he still here.

 

So we get the demands for sixth (or your 65ish point target), the demands we keep highly valuable players no matter what even though the likes of Arsenal, Man United and Everton can't even do that, and the arrogant dismissing of finishing eighth next season as being boring, uninspiring and not progression. And the casual "we're fine" financial analysis with the inference we should keep spending more until we're just not fine like all the other clubs.

 

You've always been a soul destroyingly tedious contributor to this forum, which was okay of a fashion. But the position you now take is just ridiculous beyond belief and I am happy to call it out.

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Yes she has my support as she has put a lot of money into the Club so far and got us back to the Premier League. We have no right to expect her to keep throwing money at the Club just because some people would like to see us play in the Champions League.

 

Markus bought into us because we were a steady family orientated club who took great pleasure in our successes but didn't think we had an automatic right to them.

 

I will be very sad to see any of our players go as I can see the potential the team has but Markus said that the team had to be self supporting at the end of the 5 year plan. We must respect that.

 

Our Club has been saved, we are back where we belong, we have the potential to produce many more from our fantastic Academy. Our glass is more than half full thanks to the Liebherr family.

 

A good measured post.

For me, so far so good. It is reassuring that she has been coming to a good few home games, and she does look like she is enjoying herself. The Southampton Way seems to be having its effect.

 

But this pre-season is going to be along one. I am crossing fingers.

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Yes she has my support as she has put a lot of money into the Club so far and got us back to the Premier League. We have no right to expect her to keep throwing money at the Club just because some people would like to see us play in the Champions League.

 

Markus bought into us because we were a steady family orientated club who took great pleasure in our successes but didn't think we had an automatic right to them.

 

I will be very sad to see any of our players go as I can see the potential the team has but Markus said that the team had to be self supporting at the end of the 5 year plan. We must respect that.

 

Our Club has been saved, we are back where we belong, we have the potential to produce many more from our fantastic Academy. Our glass is more than half full thanks to the Liebherr family.

 

Yep, this is an excellent summary. 100% agree.

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Well for what it is worth that young lady has my total respect. She didn't sell as soon as her late great father died

She could not have sold when Markus died, as she did not own the Club. The trustees and estate Of Markus still owned the Club less than 12 months ago, she has only inherited and become the owner since then, and not sure exactly when it was after that. I don't think she was even the owner at the start of the season, so would not have had that much say in the money that was spent last pre-season (Wanyama, Lovren and Johnny Depp). So I don't go with this notion that she has pumped millions of her own money into the club (as yet). Not saying she would not have been involved in the decisions, but it would not have been her sole decision to have made. In fact I suspect she has not spent much on the club at all since she took sole charge. Therefore have to wait and see what she actually does before passing judgement. Not knocking her and not praising her, will be judged on her actions.

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Most definitely, unless proved otherwise. The fact that she's been at nearly every game since NC left means she must be getting the bug! Lots of the owners in the Premier League hardly bother to turn up, even if they live in the UK - we could do a lot worse! Her father always said we had to be sustainable after the 5 year plan, and there is nothing in the Liebherr business history to suggest they would do anything risky. However, I don't think Ralph would be here if the job was just to keep us up, that wouldn't excite him. He's a retired sportsman after all, and he entirely got the point, which seems to have escaped Mike Ashley, when he said in an interview on Radio Solent, that sport's about winning.

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Jury's out for me....I think her heart is in the right place and she has the best intentions, so it's hard not to support her. But i cant help thinking she's out of her depth and needed to appoint a strong Team around her to get things done.....This for me is her first and possibly the most crucial failing.

 

Markus earnt his success and knew the score, he appointed someone he trusted to make things happen......I just hope Katherina takes stock and gets some good advice.

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If KL and RK make the wrong decisions in the next 10 days then they definately will not have my support. Due to the media hype I am currently very suspicious and concerned about what direction Saints are heading in which could be relegation if they sell too many of our 1st team players. They need to seriously man up and the silence is deafening at the moment from the board

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If KL and RK make the wrong decisions in the next 10 days then they definately will not have my support. Due to the media hype I am currently very suspicious and concerned about what direction Saints are heading in which could be relegation if they sell too many of our 1st team players. They need to seriously man up and the silence is deafening at the moment from the board

 

Yep. They need to man up. They do. Jeez.

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As owners who have backed us, i love her and her Dad for doing this, however she along with the hockey coach need to make the right business decision and NOT sell anyone until after the WC, becasue there Values will increase should they do well, and i feel clubs are taking advantage of that like Liverpool and Utd by trying to make it look like they dont want the players having there future on there minds etc, bull its all about getting them cheaper.

 

If they sell after il respect that as it 1 gives us a chance to boast any say we had 3 lads in the squad and 2 if Shaw and Lallana play and do well, you can add 5 million on that price tag as the buying club will be desperate to get them in for pre season and we will benefit from the world seeing there talent and there profiles raised, and she can keep the extra money as long as she invests the rest back into the squad.

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Why wouldn't she have our support? In a round about way - she has bankrolled us from L1 to Top 10 in the PL, so she deserves our support.

 

The only question marks I have at this moment in time are over their long-term plans, are they really willing to **** away 5 years of work...? Time will tell.

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Why wouldn't she have our support? In a round about way - she has bankrolled us from L1 to Top 10 in the PL, so she deserves our support.

 

The only question marks I have at this moment in time are over their long-term plans, are they really willing to **** away 5 years of work...? Time will tell.

 

Even in a worse case scenario they'll only **** away one year of work. If they ****ed away five years of work we'd be back in League One!

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