Batman Posted 15 May, 2014 Share Posted 15 May, 2014 only a little one http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/11213398.Echo_commet__Why_the_wall_of_silence_from_Saints_/?ref=mac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 15 May, 2014 Share Posted 15 May, 2014 Annoyed they can't get comments 24/7? Bugger them frankly, I'd rather the board comment when all is done rather than say something to us that seems like a lie when circumstances change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 15 May, 2014 Share Posted 15 May, 2014 I totally disagree with that article. The reason the board are silent is because there is probably not much to say. Everyone on here has said actions speak louder than words and I don't think anyone wants to hear a load of waffle. I don' care if they are silent all summer as long as we keep most of our main players and are allowed to strengthen significantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 15 May, 2014 Share Posted 15 May, 2014 A random article waffling on and on, what do they want or expect the club to say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 15 May, 2014 Share Posted 15 May, 2014 I don't remember many articles like that when Cortese was here, and that really WAS a wall of silence. It seems pretty clear that the club will communicate more than they used to, but that doesn't mean 24/7 live Youtube coverage and twitter updates. It's bad enough that some fans can't go 5 minutes without F5'ing this board or the Newsnow Southampton page, without the Echo encouraging it. If fans have been 'beseiging' the Echo office, then I would suggest they need to get a life, and the Echo should tell them the same as the club... when there is news, we'll report it. In the meantime, go do something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonb Posted 15 May, 2014 Share Posted 15 May, 2014 Exactly. There is nothing to say currently. We can all read into this as much as we want and frankly, a lot of people are lapping it up in Liverpool, Manchester and Southampton. Three huge demographics buying lots of newspapers, not to mention social media. From my own perspective, I think the bids have been made. I think we are seriously looking at them. If we were not interested in selling our players I am sure Les would of been wheeled out to categorically reject the bids. He hasn't, therefore we are looking to sell IMO. Its now a case of how much. That is why its so quiet. The only thing I can see changing things is if Adam decides he doesn't want to move up North. Then he stays. I think Luke is gone. He will use Man United as a stepping stone to one of the bigger Spanish clubs (just like Bale). He'll be 24 after his 5 year deal expires at Man United. he might pick up a league title or some cup medals but they will be a long time rebuilding and won't trouble City too much in the very near future. He will be a multi millionaire at 24 and maybe 40+ England caps to his name by then. He will end up at Madrid if he keeps his head and continues his meteoric development. Man United will be used to cement his financial future, nothing more. They will mean nothing to him. We developed him, he supports Chelsea, Man United will get used royally and I hope we rinse them on the fee as well. Luke's a smart lad - he'll see the us right. All IMO of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 15 May, 2014 Share Posted 15 May, 2014 I am still waiting for Ralph Kreuger's transparency commitment. As the club have not either refuted the offer rumours or advised they have rejected them then you can only presume they are considering them. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 15 May, 2014 Share Posted 15 May, 2014 I totally disagree with that article. The reason the board are silent is because there is probably not much to say. Everyone on here has said actions speak louder than words and I don't think anyone wants to hear a load of waffle. I don' care if they are silent all summer as long as we keep most of our main players and are allowed to strengthen significantly. The reason why the Board are silent is because it is not the 30th May yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 15 May, 2014 Share Posted 15 May, 2014 The article is spot on; probably even the last paragraph. The information void from the club is damaging for everyone who loves Saints, including their ST sales, I suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 15 May, 2014 Share Posted 15 May, 2014 The Echo is supposed to supply local news when all they do is "cut and paste" or write waffling opinion articles like this one so they can hardly talk. The amount of articles theyve pinched from this site is a good example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mini_me Posted 15 May, 2014 Share Posted 15 May, 2014 I don't think this article will build a great deal of bridges in what is already a precarious relationship. I don't know what they or the fans really expect. Club: Great job MoPo here is a new contract. MoPo: Cheers, Nice one. How much dosh is there for the kitty this season and ongoing. Club : Well we have this £XXm but this could be boosted by sales of X,Y,Z. Who do you want. MoPo : I want X but Z and Y can do one. Club : But we have had bids for X and Y. MoPo : I want to keep them. Club : Ok we will. X is in the world cup anyway which only going to add to his value. Do you know if he wants to leave ? MoPo : He hasn't told me he wants to go. Club : Player X we have had a bid, but don't want to sell you. Ok ? X : Ok. I am of the world cup and see what happens. I will get my agent to deal with it anyway. Agent X : This is your best chance to get CL football and set you up for life. Do the deal ! X : I know, but I am not going to force the issue, get them to bid more so its an amazing offer they cant refuse. Club : MoPo we have had a bid for player Y. MoPo : He doesn't want to leave so don't sell him. Club : Player Y we are not selling you. Player Y : Ok, I am off to the world cup. Yipee... I am a kid and I am in heaven ! Club : MoPo whats going on with new contract. MoPo : How much money have we got to spend ? Club : Depends on whether Player X. Echo/Fans : WTF is going on ? Club : ...........its complicated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 15 May, 2014 Share Posted 15 May, 2014 The club has already said that they do not comment on press speculation. There is bound to be interest in players and we are bound to bat back any enquiries* as they are all under contract and we don't need to sell. We can wheel club officials out on a daily basis if you like saying the same thing but then you would just accuse them of not telling the truth so why bother. Personally I would rather they spend their time talking to clubs about the players we want to sign. Marshall at Cardiff being top of the list. *The only exception is Guly whose contract is up in 6 weeks. So a mega offer here might br tempting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 15 May, 2014 Share Posted 15 May, 2014 The article is spot on; probably even the last paragraph. The information void from the club is damaging for everyone who loves Saints, including their ST sales, I suspect. And yet when we had even less information last year no-one thought it particularly damaging, that said most of us just assumed that Nicola would tell clubs to f*ck right off anyway or just bin the faxes. Talking of information at what stage did we announce the pre-season tour last year, can't remember at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 15 May, 2014 Share Posted 15 May, 2014 The article is spot on; probably even the last paragraph. The information void from the club is damaging for everyone who loves Saints, including their ST sales, I suspect. It's one of the strangest articles I have read for ages. It's like a striker saying that goalkeepers keep saving their shots or a salesman saying no one is buying his wares. It is not the clubs job to feed a tinpot local rag information. It the journalists job to create relationships that encourage information release or question and interview people in a clever way to extract the information they want. We are not talking pennies here, the subject or subjects in question are over 50 million quid and whatever hand we are playing (Sell or not sell) will not be best served by spouting off to the local press. Season ticket sales are irrelevant and will be regardless who leaves. Sure there might be handful that don't renew, based on who leaves, but there will be others that take their place and in the grand scheme of Premiership money, it is not significant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 15 May, 2014 Share Posted 15 May, 2014 The club has already said that they do not comment on press speculation. There is bound to be interest in players and we are bound to bat back any enquiries* as they are all under contract and we don't need to sell. We can wheel club officials out on a daily basis if you like saying the same thing but then you would just accuse them of not telling the truth so why bother. Personally I would rather they spend their time talking to clubs about the players we want to sign. Marshall at Cardiff being top of the list. *The only exception is Guly whose contract is up in 6 weeks. So a mega offer here might br tempting... But the club do comment on press speculation to the extent that Reed put in an appearance before a pre-match presser and it would seem to me that Krueger never misses a chance to comment on everything and anything of late. Now Cortese, he didn't comment, unless it was to gather ST holders together for dinners and give them updates from time to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WealdSaint Posted 15 May, 2014 Share Posted 15 May, 2014 It's a bit like asking a poker player to give a running commentary that the other players can hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 15 May, 2014 Share Posted 15 May, 2014 It's a bit like asking a poker player to give a running commentary that the other players can hear. Much better analogy than I used ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 15 May, 2014 Share Posted 15 May, 2014 Interesting, perhaps they should add Southampton to their world tour. Everyone connected with the place at the moment seems http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZyVZFJGX5g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Timmier Posted 15 May, 2014 Share Posted 15 May, 2014 I totally disagree with that article. The reason the board are silent is because there is probably not much to say. Everyone on here has said actions speak louder than words and I don't think anyone wants to hear a load of waffle. I don' care if they are silent all summer as long as we keep most of our main players and are allowed to strengthen significantly. Absolutely agree. 95% of the guff that is reported in the media is nothing more than PR waffle. If there's nothing to say, then why say anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 15 May, 2014 Share Posted 15 May, 2014 But the club do comment on press speculation to the extent that Reed put in an appearance before a pre-match presser and it would seem to me that Krueger never misses a chance to comment on everything and anything of late. Now Cortese, he didn't comment, unless it was to gather ST holders together for dinners and give them updates from time to time. Think Reed's comments were reasonable but the club should have left it at that. Once you start commenting on speculation in a way that isn't 100% on point or consistent with earlier messages, people start assuming the worst and inferring things from silence. Of course, that might say as much about those who are doing the speculating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish fingers Posted 15 May, 2014 Share Posted 15 May, 2014 The article is spot on; probably even the last paragraph. The information void from the club is damaging for everyone who loves Saints, including their ST sales, I suspect. It really isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesfp1 Posted 15 May, 2014 Share Posted 15 May, 2014 The club is hard at work finalising everything for the suprise article on the OS tomorrow - announcing the trio of new deals for Poch, Lallana and Shaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 15 May, 2014 Share Posted 15 May, 2014 I have a modicum of sympathy for the Echo's complaints. We are reported to have received bids from both Manchester Utd and Liverpool for two of our star player, but the club doesn't even seem to have acknowledged or denied whetehr these bids have been received - let alone whether, when or on what basis they will be accepted,rejected or negotiated. Probably don't want the club providing a "running commentary" but the alternative to that isn't total silence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 15 May, 2014 Share Posted 15 May, 2014 The club is hard at work finalising everything for the suprise article on the OS tomorrow - announcing the trio of new deals for Poch, Lallana and Shaw. I'll have a pint of what you're drinking. Can I send DHL round? Now that WOULD be funny. How much fun it'll be trawling the threads of the last week and :smirking: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 15 May, 2014 Share Posted 15 May, 2014 It's a bit like asking a poker player to give a running commentary that the other players can hear. But fans don't want a game played of these bids for the manager and players. They just want them refused, not in order to get more money but refused absolutely. That is the statement I'd like to hear and because we don't have that it leaves open the possibility that Board are playing poker and are just trying to get as much money as they can. The Wall of Silence suggests this, which is why the Echo are reflecting the views of fans who have contacted the paper, but the Board could fend off the speculation with a strong statement of intent. Not that the offers aren't high enough but simply to repeat what they said before - that no one will leave this club who the manager does not want to leave and to add that we will not sell our International stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 15 May, 2014 Share Posted 15 May, 2014 But fans don't want a game played of these bids for the manager and players. They just want them refused, not in order to get more money but refused absolutely. That is the statement I'd like to hear and because we don't have that it leaves open the possibility that Board are playing poker and are just trying to get as much money as they can. The Wall of Silence suggests this, which is why the Echo are reflecting the views of fans who have contacted the paper, but the Board could fend off the speculation with a strong statement of intent. Not that the offers aren't high enough but simply to repeat what they said before - that no one will leave this club who the manager does not want to leave and to add that we will not sell our International stars. You're assuming the board have any say in the matter. Let's face it, if Lallana and/or Shaw want to leave they'll leave, we aren't going to hold them against their will. I hope they don't go, but if that's their choice then so be it. We should all remember that Shaw could have left before he signed his current contract (and any of the big clubs would have taken him), and all we'd have got is a few hundred thousand development money. Lallana has had other offers as well in the past. Whatever anyone decides to do, it's up to the club to make the most of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 15 May, 2014 Share Posted 15 May, 2014 IF we don't need the money I don't see why we can't play hardball with AL and LS. They are both on *long* contracts and are not going to stop playing for the team for the next 4 years! It's not like the situation many clubs get in where the player only has a year left on contract and can sulk for a bit if not allowed to go. But the big question is the "IF" And of course the same contract length does not apply to MP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 15 May, 2014 Share Posted 15 May, 2014 IF we don't need the money I don't see why we can't play hardball with AL and LS. They are both on *long* contracts and are not going to stop playing for the team for the next 4 years! It's not like the situation many clubs get in where the player only has a year left on contract and can sulk for a bit if not allowed to go. But the big question is the "IF" And of course the same contract length does not apply to MP. I think we do need the money justly. The cost of the club to the owner must now be approaching it's market value. To plough in more cash for transfers without any significant transfer income might well push us close to negative equity so to speak. As far as I can see the ML family have ploughed in about 60 million £, on top of that the club owe(or are liable in the near future)for about the same. So if KL were to raid her handbag again for another 30 million or so this summer the fulcrum point would be near. It's true were getting a load of cash from the PL this year but I suspect much of that has been earmarked to reduce debt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbob40 Posted 15 May, 2014 Share Posted 15 May, 2014 I think the management team are all hiding under Les Reed's new mahogany desk and the phone has been chucked into the fish tank. Fortunately Sir Les had the presence of mind to bring his favourite book for them all to read....."The Official FA Guide to Basic Team Coaching"...a modern classic described by many (...well one...) as unputdownable. They have sufficient water and provisions which should last until the transfer window ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 15 May, 2014 Share Posted 15 May, 2014 Annoyed they can't get comments 24/7? Bugger them frankly, I'd rather the board comment when all is done rather than say something to us that seems like a lie when circumstances change. Hear, Hear ! .... IF Les Reed was telling the truth, (I have no reason to doubt otherwise) ...then bids, offers or whatever for whoever would most likely started to come in after Sunday's game. I do not expect SFC to publish every bid / counter bid and telephone call they get concerning palyers. If we are really prepared to let player x go, and/or they ask to leave, then it's a different matter. The new season doesn't start until August, and if I was a Prem. manager looking to fork out £20-30 million for a player .....I'd like to see him come back from the World Cup ....UN-INJURED first. PATIENCE Echo !....I'm sure most fans don't feel as stupidly arrogant as your sports writer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 15 May, 2014 Share Posted 15 May, 2014 Hear, Hear ! .... IF Les Reed was telling the truth, (I have no reason to doubt otherwise) ...then bids, offers or whatever for whoever would most likely started to come in after Sunday's game. I do not expect SFC to publish every bid / counter bid and telephone call they get concerning palyers. If we are really prepared to let player x go, and/or they ask to leave, then it's a different matter. The new season doesn't start until August, and if I was a Prem. manager looking to fork out £20-30 million for a player .....I'd like to see him come back from the World Cup ....UN-INJURED first. PATIENCE Echo !....I'm sure most fans don't feel as stupidly arrogant as your sports writer. Les Reed was obviously telling what he believed to be the truth. Whether he knows everything that comes to pass at SMS is another question. Can't see him really being in the circle of confidence with the owner and her acolytes, he's just something they inherited with the furniture. I could well be totally misguided though but I see there being an inner circle of KL RK and HH and everyone else is outside of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 15 May, 2014 Share Posted 15 May, 2014 I think it's more interesting what the article implies - i.e. it's easy for the media to take pot-shots at what is perceived as a weaker Board now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 15 May, 2014 Share Posted 15 May, 2014 To be honest, they've waffled for weeks. The last thing we need is more talk. Time to see actions now, and those actions will either be the exodus most are expecting, or a surprisingly resolute approach and the continuation of what we've been doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 15 May, 2014 Share Posted 15 May, 2014 What do they want the club to say. "Yes, we want to keep Pochettino, Lallana, Shaw. No we can't compete financially with United, Liverpool, Chelsea. As a result we don't really know what's going to happen." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 15 May, 2014 Share Posted 15 May, 2014 I think we do need the money justly. The cost of the club to the owner must now be approaching it's market value. To plough in more cash for transfers without any significant transfer income might well push us close to negative equity so to speak. As far as I can see the ML family have ploughed in about 60 million £, on top of that the club owe(or are liable in the near future)for about the same. So if KL were to raid her handbag again for another 30 million or so this summer the fulcrum point would be near. It's true were getting a load of cash from the PL this year but I suspect much of that has been earmarked to reduce debt. Windows. I really respect you as a poster on here but that statement is complete tosh. Which makes the rest of your points invalid So how much have the Liebherrs put in? (I am sure MLG will come along and tell us how much the debt to equity swap was) NC was having meetings while we were in the Championship and asking double our market value (ie more than the Liebherrs had put in) and trust me that figure was WAY less than the combined current media values of LS AL & JRod let ALONE the rest of the Infrastructure. I value your inputs, and I rarely have a pop back at a fellow poster but this annoyed me mate, sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 15 May, 2014 Share Posted 15 May, 2014 Windows. I really respect you as a poster on here but that statement is complete tosh. Which makes the rest of your points invalid So how much have the Liebherrs put in? (I am sure MLG will come along and tell us how much the debt to equity swap was) NC was having meetings while we were in the Championship and asking double our market value (ie more than the Liebherrs had put in) and trust me that figure was WAY less than the combined current media values of LS AL & JRod let ALONE the rest of the Infrastructure. I value your inputs, and I rarely have a pop back at a fellow poster but this annoyed me mate, sorry The total investment to date is 55 million + any shortlfall from this season. 33 million was converted in equity and 64 million remain in liabilities. Without knowing the payout structure of the Premier and TV money (As in what has already been paid and what is left) it is impossible to say how much is covered or not. Whilst I agree with sentiment regarding that the investment is not close to market value, what I do believe is that the clubs market value, is probably as high as it will be for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 15 May, 2014 Share Posted 15 May, 2014 The board should ban them from St Mary's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 15 May, 2014 Share Posted 15 May, 2014 It's a bit like asking a poker player to give a running commentary that the other players can hear. This sort of post is what makes this place worthwhile. Very well done sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 15 May, 2014 Share Posted 15 May, 2014 Les Reed was obviously telling what he believed to be the truth. Whether he knows everything that comes to pass at SMS is another question. Can't see him really being in the circle of confidence with the owner and her acolytes, he's just something they inherited with the furniture. I could well be totally misguided though but I see there being an inner circle of KL RK and HH and everyone else is outside of it. Fair point, but Les Reed is one of the longest-standing members of the Board of the (old Cortese grouping) ....and the only one who is really " football". Could Ralph Kreiger decide who to sell / sign ? It would really surprise me if LR didn't know who was on the way in / out. Of course salaries and fees are a matter for the CEO to decide, but none of them (least of all KL) knows much about the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 16 May, 2014 Share Posted 16 May, 2014 Fair point, but Les Reed is one of the longest-standing members of the Board of the (old Cortese grouping) ....and the only one who is really " football". Could Ralph Kreiger decide who to sell / sign ? It would really surprise me if LR didn't know who was on the way in / out. Of course salaries and fees are a matter for the CEO to decide, but none of them (least of all KL) knows much about the game. I think they have a football "advisor", even tried to make him a board member at first, just provoked a hail of WTFs. Josef Lennart rings a bell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 16 May, 2014 Share Posted 16 May, 2014 Looks like the Echo never learns from their mistakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 17 May, 2014 Share Posted 17 May, 2014 If the Echo keeps on annoying the club I can see the club once again waiting until midnight and then making a statement so it is too late for the Echos deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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