Saint Charlie Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 An interesting story how this guy is a CEO of a team who finished top half of the PL. Seems to have just ended up there, which is quite extraordinary really. Especially interesting given the comments made by Hans Hofsetter when the Accounts were released: Whilst I perceive that we have inherited a difficult situation financially, there are now clear and structured plans in place to progress the club and avoid a similar situation from occurring again," Hofstetter said in a statement "Of course it's a burden, but it's a burden that has to be covered and will be covered. "When I came in from the outside I had different information, I was surprised but not disappointed. It is what it is and my culture is to look to the future and accept the past." Gareth Rogers was previously our Chief Financial Officer, and suggested previously that the Accounts were not a concern. If you are CFO of a Company, and then someone comes in and shows displeasure at the financial state that you presided over and its clarity, then surely that would be a kick in the teeth.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maysie Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 An interesting story how this guy is a CEO of a team who finished top half of the PL. Seems to have just ended up there, which is quite extraordinary really. Especially interesting given the comments made by Hans Hofsetter when the Accounts were released: Gareth Rogers was previously our Chief Financial Officer, and suggested previously that the Accounts were not a concern. If you are CFO of a Company, and then someone comes in and shows displeasure at the financial state that you presided over and its clarity, then surely that would be a kick in the teeth.... I bet you don't even realise that you've now developed an agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 (edited) - £100m+ turnover for 2013/14 (£76m TV plus £25m+ for commercial/matchday and then any additional revenue streams) - Costs of circa £50m wages and £27m transfers to pay (£22m in 2014/15) Is the financhial situation really as difficult as they made out? Looks quite healthy to me. The media jumps on the £27m of outstanding transfer fees, but ignores that it is covered easily by the revenue, let alone selling Osvaldo and other surplus players. Edited 14 May, 2014 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 - £100m+ turnover for 2013/14 (£76m TV plus £25m+ for commercial/matchday and then any additional revenue streams) - Costs of circa £50m wages and £27m transfers to pay (£22m in 2014/15) Is the financhial situation really as difficult as they made out? Looks quite healthy to me. Surely there are other costs in addition to these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 Surely there are other costs in addition to these? Well yes there are, but the wages are by far the most significant cost for the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 Sorry, but our new board have only got themselves to blame for their early comments and lukewarm follow-up interviews for a public perception of financial difficulties, leading to all the unwanted vulture-like transfer activity. I am not inspired. They should STFU and get on with securing manager, squad and kit for the new season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 14 May, 2014 Author Share Posted 14 May, 2014 Sorry, but our new board have only got themselves to blame for their early comments and lukewarm follow-up interviews for a public perception of financial difficulties, leading to all the unwanted vulture-like transfer activity. I am not inspired. They should STFU and get on with securing manager, squad and kit for the new season. Luckily the kit is secured, which a weight off my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 They should get on with securing manager, squad and kit for the new season. Well thats been sorted already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 Well thats been sorted already. Thats not what I took from that statement. Never mind, I am sure Kappa or Le Coq Sportif have spare bandwidth.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 14 May, 2014 Author Share Posted 14 May, 2014 I bet you don't even realise that you've now developed an agenda. I'm happy with my agenda at the moment. Its not anti-Saints, but its questioning of the new regime and whether they are actually fit for purpose. Both Rogers and Krueger are in roles they have no experience of, which is reason to be wary. A PL football club isn't the place the learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 14 May, 2014 Author Share Posted 14 May, 2014 Thats not what I took from that statement. In the scheme of things the kit is so, so, so minor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 In the scheme of things the kit is so, so, so minor. Oh, I agree. But they are even making hard work of that, it seems. F**k knows what they will do when MoPo says "I'm off" and they need to find a new manager.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 Thats not what I took from that statement. What did you take from that statement on the OS? Because the CEO of Veho has seen the new Saints kit, so they clearly have a new kit maker ready to go... Steven Lewis @steve_veho 20h Only about 6 people on the planet have seen it #patience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 So the new board are useless at PR as well. If they have a design and a sample, why not release phots and calm some nerves about their ability to deal with issues ? (here's a guess, they dont know which players to use for the shoot because all the high-profile players are actually up-for-sale) Why the stupid snide statement digging at NC that solves nothing ? Very silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 (edited) So the new board are useless at PR as well. If they have a design and a sample, why not release phots and calm some nerves about their ability to deal with issues ? (here's a guess, they dont know which players to use for the shoot because all the high-profile players are actually up-for-sale) Because Veho's sponsorship deal starts on 1st July 2014 and today is 14th May 2014? Why the stupid snide statement digging at NC that solves nothing ? Very silly. An Adidas employee a few days ago publicly revealed they weren't making the kit next season (perhaps when they weren't meant to) and Saints have responded as it was in the public domain. You've taken it as a dig at Cortese when it was Saints explaining the situation from their point of view. I don't see it as a dig at Cortese as it isn't clear in why the deal with Adidas broke down, nor does it blame anyone. Edited 14 May, 2014 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 Christ, it comes to something when I'm siding with MLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 Because Veho's sponsorship deal starts on 1st July 2014 and today is 14th May 2014? An Adidas employee a few days ago publicly revealed they weren't making the kit next season (perhaps when they weren't meant to) and Saints have responded as it was in the public domain. You've taken it as a dig at Cortese when it was Saints explaining the situation. OK, so it will be announced on 1st July, will it ? It was a dig at NC, plain and simple. Only dogmatic individuals like you will claim otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 Christ, it comes to something when I'm siding with MLG Well it was me vs alpine_saint and I like to hope I'm the lesser of two evils for you there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 It was a dig at NC, plain and simple. It probably was, but who cares? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 One way or the other things never seemed so up in the air under the little hitler. I take it that he was a v poor people and worse PR person, but he had a better grasp on things then what Ive seen so far. It is however, far too early to form an opinion, Im just hoping things improve from the smiles and silly hats we are getting right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 14 May, 2014 Author Share Posted 14 May, 2014 This thread isn't about the kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 gareth rogers needs to spend less time looking like andy townsend and more time making new kits IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 sorry i just realised this thread isn't about the kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 Gareth had less charisma and confidence than the groundsman when speaking at the awards ceremony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 What is the typical background for a Premier LEague CEO? I've got no idea who is in the role at most clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 Gareth had less charisma and confidence than the groundsman when speaking at the awards ceremony. How can you compete with someone for whom cutting grass is a labour of love? Seriously... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 Sorry, but our new board have only got themselves to blame for their early comments and lukewarm follow-up interviews for a public perception of financial difficulties, leading to all the unwanted vulture-like transfer activity. I am not inspired. They should STFU and get on with securing manager, squad and kit for the new season. I have to agree. The way that they spoke about financial difficulties has indeed led to vultures circling, in the form of other clubs reckoning that we will be forced to accept their pathetically devalued offers for our star players in our efforts to balance the books. If there is not the pressing necessity to bend over and take it up the arse, then they should come out and say so and hopefully they have learned a valuable lesson and will keep their counsel for the next time, a la Cortese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 I have to agree. The way that they spoke about financial difficulties has indeed led to vultures circling, in the form of other clubs reckoning that we will be forced to accept their pathetically devalued offers for our star players in our efforts to balance the books. If there is not the pressing necessity to bend over and take it up the arse, then they should come out and say so and hopefully they have learned a valuable lesson and will keep their counsel for the next time, a la Cortese. I think after Cortese the new board wanted much more openess and honesty, which is admirable but probably also a little naive - sadly a lot of fans can't cope with unvarnished truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 I think after Cortese the new board wanted much more openess and honesty, which is admirable but probably also a little naive - sadly a lot of fans can't cope with unvarnished truth. The accounts were released at the same time so their statements certainly were not the unvarnished truth but rather sanded down to make them look worse than they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 I think after Cortese the new board wanted much more openess and honesty, which is admirable but probably also a little naive - sadly a lot of fans can't cope with unvarnished truth. As you say, it was very naive. But I don't believe that the problems are with the fans not being able to cope with it. As as been proven, the problem is with the journos putting their spin on it and generally sh*t -stirring. Virtually every story has mentioned our financial situation as the reason that we will be forced to sell off the family silver, whereas laughably we have significantly lower debt levels than most other Premiership clubs, especially these big clubs who reckon that they can therefore offer derisory amounts for our players. Quite what the point of it was, I don't know. The result has been very retrograde from a PR perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint George Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 I have to agree. The way that they spoke about financial difficulties has indeed led to vultures circling, in the form of other clubs reckoning that we will be forced to accept their pathetically devalued offers for our star players in our efforts to balance the books. If there is not the pressing necessity to bend over and take it up the arse, then they should come out and say so and hopefully they have learned a valuable lesson and will keep their counsel for the next time, a la Cortese. Even worse than that...The news of "financial difficulties" rang huge alarm bells in the ears of the people who matter.....The Coach and the players. Didn't need any vultures circling after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 If there is not the pressing necessity to bend over and take it up the arse, then they should come out and say so that's my tagline on match.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 It's hardly surprising that Cortese fell out with Adidas, he did with just about everyone we've had contacts with. Probably why Kat pulled the plug IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia Saint Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 that's my tagline on match.com :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 that's my tagline on match.com :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 I'm happy with my agenda at the moment. Its not anti-Saints, but its questioning of the new regime and whether they are actually fit for purpose. Both Rogers and Krueger are in roles they have no experience of, which is reason to be wary. A PL football club isn't the place the learn. That's what a few said about Luke Shaw tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 I do think it was a mistake to come in and state they were inheriting a difficult situation though. It was a sound bite lapped up by the media, that we had to sell to balance the books, which a distablised the club somewhat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashleyb5443 Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 (edited) I found out on Saturday that my sister knows him, I thought she was just making it up at first until I googled his name and saw he was pretty important. With that I was also a little disappointed as she knew nothing about anything but did say about how he got his position. Not prepared to put on here as I don't know wether or not its true. I hear he's an Owls fan though. Edited 14 May, 2014 by ashleyb5443 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 I found out on Saturday that my sister knows him, I thought she was just making it up at first until I googled his name and saw he was pretty important. With that I was also a little disappointed as she knew nothing about anything but did say about how he got his position. Not prepared to put on here as I don't know wether or not its true. I hear he's an Owls fan though. He'll like living so close to the New Forest then: there are loads of them lurking in there!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 26 May, 2014 Author Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Your time is now buddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Gareth had less charisma and confidence than the groundsman when speaking at the awards ceremony. Isn't he an accountant ? Think that explains all as they are all nerds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 We certainly missed a trick in not appointing John Williams. GR may be an excellent financial director, but CEO which in my view requires a higher public profile is too big a step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 We certainly missed a trick in not appointing John Williams. GR may be an excellent financial director, but CEO which in my view requires a higher public profile is too big a step. Either Ralph obviously wanted to be top dog or any respectable candidate for the job didn't want to be playing second fiddle to an ice hockey gab artist who obviously had the ear of the owner... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Either Ralph obviously wanted to be top dog or any respectable candidate for the job didn't want to be playing second fiddle to an ice hockey gab artist who obviously had the ear of the owner... But sensibly, Ralph presumably is not going to be there day in day out, so we needed an experienced hand as 'operations director'. Maybe they thought Reed the man for the football side of things, although it did not take RK long to talk up bringing in a "sporting director". Not that this detracts from your own point of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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