Season Ticket sales

[spyinthesky]

Presume they are likely to be slow due to all the uncertainty.

 

Understand that approx. 22,000 were sold last season but can't see the figure hitting the same mark this year due to the current management/player uncertainty and also the cost which really must be hurting a lot of people.

 

The four I go with have all renewed but primarily out of a sense of duty rather than expectation.

[stevegrant]

Presume they are likely to be slow due to all the uncertainty.

 

Understand that approx. 22,000 were sold last season but can't see the figure hitting the same mark this year due to the current management/player uncertainty and also the cost which really must be hurting a lot of people.

 

The four I go with have all renewed but primarily out of a sense of duty rather than expectation.

Just over 20,000 sold for 2013/14, which was a drop of around 750 from the previous season.

[Colinjb]

Purely for cash flow reasons i'm waiting until pay day this month. Seems very tactical that the renewals have been requested early this year.

[stevegrant]

Purely for cash flow reasons i'm waiting until pay day this month. Seems very tactical that the renewals have been requested early this year.

Or that they're falling back in line with what pretty much every other club does.

[davesaint]

I think it is tactical. I am definitely in two minds whether to renew. Really think this is a poor way to treat the fans. We are expected to commit as always when all the outstanding issues are being stalled. Don't think I will have a problem buying on a match by match basis if I don't renew bearing in mind the number of games sold out last season.

[eelpie]

Why the heck should I renew and buy an inflated, very expensive and unaffordable season ticket knowing that next season we will be without our best players and probably Pochettino? When we don't field our best players (as experience shows) we lose. Without MoPo the team might disintegrate. I fear that throughout the coming season we will be fighting relegation.

 

Now is the time when we will miss Cortese's bloody-mindedness. He would have had a short answer to the predators who think they can cherry pick our talent. Meanwhile our current owners signal weakness because they are not resolute and can only mumble 'discussions'.

 

I've watched Saints for fifty affordable years. Times are changing, worryingly.

[spyinthesky]

Just over 20,000 sold for 2013/14, which was a drop of around 750 from the previous season.

 

Steve

 

Thanks.

 

Is there any published information available re season ticket sales?

 

Notice that Norwich reportedly sold 19,000 for 2014/15 in February.

 

Brighton are also selling well but their prices, in the Championship, seem to be very reasonable and include interest free Direct debit plus subsidised travel (a la the early Rupert Lowe days here)

 

I have a good deal of sympathy with Eelpies view of things.

 

However not so sure about his comments about Cortese.

 

I am sure he would have been hard nosed if he assumed he was in complete control of the club's affairs.

 

However the situation seems to be different now and the previous (apparent) largesse seems to have been reigned in and presumably he was unwilling to operate under these disciplines

[Whitey Grandad]

Why the heck should I renew and buy an inflated, very expensive and unaffordable season ticket knowing that next season we will be without our best players and probably Pochettino? When we don't field our best players (as experience shows) we lose. Without MoPo the team might disintegrate. I fear that throughout the coming season we will be fighting relegation.

 

Now is the time when we will miss Cortese's bloody-mindedness. He would have had a short answer to the predators who think they can cherry pick our talent. Meanwhile our current owners signal weakness because they are not resolute and can only mumble 'discussions'.

 

I've watched Saints for fifty affordable years. Times are changing, worryingly.

 

How do you know that we aren't doing that now?

[Saint Charlie]

Brighton sell more ST's than us I think.

[The Kraken]

Just over 20,000 sold for 2013/14, which was a drop of around 750 from the previous season.

With the continuing uncertainty and the escalating price, I'd guess that figure will dip under the 20k mark for next season. This season has shown that getting a ticket on a match by match basis wasn't as difficult as first thought.

[Saint Garrett]

I havent decided whether I'm renewing or not yet. Not sure I can justify spending that amount of money again, especially if we're being charged more to watch less. (quality).

[stevegrant]

Steve

 

Thanks.

 

Is there any published information available re season ticket sales?

Not that I'm aware of, I worked out the figures by using the online system to look at games which hadn't yet gone on sale.

[Block34]

[seethe mode]

 

Well, seems there are going to be a whole load of new armchair supporters then. Good way to support your club.

 

If you simply can't afford to renew or buy a new ST, fair do's.

 

But don't just get p1ssy about the way things are right now and abandon your club - but I'm sure there's another 'local' club you could 'support' for a while.

 

If you feel the 'quality' isn't worth the 'cost', I'm sure there are many 'better non-local' clubs you could 'support'

 

[/seethe mode]

 

Yes, bought mine and the missus' STs already - no matter what happens we'll be there. Just as we were in the Championship and L1.

 

See, we're there for the journey, wherever it takes us and not for just the good times (but some built in seat-heating would make that journey a little easier on old bones)

[alpine_saint]

Presume they are likely to be slow due to all the uncertainty.

 

Understand that approx. 22,000 were sold last season but can't see the figure hitting the same mark this year due to the current management/player uncertainty and also the cost which really must be hurting a lot of people.

 

The four I go with have all renewed but primarily out of a sense of duty rather than expectation.

 

Yep. So much for working on commercial aspects and revenue stream.

 

The new board are clueless.

[alpine_saint]

Why the heck should I renew and buy an inflated, very expensive and unaffordable season ticket knowing that next season we will be without our best players and probably Pochettino?

 

Now is the time when we will miss Cortese's bloody-mindedness. He would have had a short answer to the predators who think they can cherry pick our talent. Meanwhile our current owners signal weakness because they are not resolute and can only mumble 'discussions'.

 

 

Yep. The party's over.

[Barry the Badger]

[seethe mode]

 

Well, seems there are going to be a whole load of new armchair supporters then. Good way to support your club.

 

If you simply can't afford to renew or buy a new ST, fair do's.

 

But don't just get p1ssy about the way things are right now and abandon your club - but I'm sure there's another 'local' club you could 'support' for a while.

 

If you feel the 'quality' isn't worth the 'cost', I'm sure there are many 'better non-local' clubs you could 'support'

 

[/seethe mode]

 

Yes, bought mine and the missus' STs already - no matter what happens we'll be there. Just as we were in the Championship and L1.

 

See, we're there for the journey, wherever it takes us and not for just the good times (but some built in seat-heating would make that journey a little easier on old bones)

 

I'm afraid that clubs have spent so long treating fans as "customers", that's exactly what they've ended up with.

[benjii]

Yep. So much for working on commercial aspects and revenue stream.

 

The new board are clueless.

 

You're a proper idiot. But you're funny.

[doddisalegend]

]Why the heck should I renew and buy an inflated' date=' very expensive and unaffordable season ticket knowing that next season we will be without our best players and probably Pochettino?[/color'] When we don't field our best players (as experience shows) we lose. Without MoPo the team might disintegrate. I fear that throughout the coming season we will be fighting relegation.

 

Now is the time when we will miss Cortese's bloody-mindedness. He would have had a short answer to the predators who think they can cherry pick our talent. Meanwhile our current owners signal weakness because they are not resolute and can only mumble 'discussions'.

 

I've watched Saints for fifty affordable years. Times are changing, worryingly.

 

Catch 22 though if people don't sign up for STs and support the club with money then they might have to sell players to cover the loss.

 

Surely after watching saints for fifty years times aren't changing at all but just carrying on as they pretty much always have?

[Sour Mash]

I havent decided whether I'm renewing or not yet. Not sure I can justify spending that amount of money again, especially if we're being charged more to watch less. (quality).

£33 a game to watch Premier League football in 2014 and 2015 doesn't seem like such a bad deal at all. Only thing the club should be looking at is the pricing for those with kids, under 18s etc.

[corsacar saint]

Renewed this morning, pleased to do so.

[ant]

Can only speak for myself, but I primarily support Saints rather than the individual players. You only need to go back five years to see why that may need to be the case. We all want to see players of the highest calibre playing sexy football but it's also important to stand tall through more fallow times.

 

I can understand people's frustrations with regard to the 'issues' hanging over the club (without buying fully into the urgency and drama drummed up by the mainstream media) and certainly sympathise with those becoming disenfranchised. Despite the club's recent PR and relationship-mending exercises there is still alarming amount of contempt shown towards the fans by footballing authorities; not to mention the ever-rising costs.

 

TL;DR - wouldn't be surprised to see a small drop-off in ST sales but I'm in.

[DanT]

renewed this morning too

[Ian the Red]

Amazing! Just had our best season, probably ever and so many so called fans are moaning. Unbelievable.

 

I know let's all believe what the papers tell us, sorry what NC feeds to his cronies in the media; so we wont have any of players, no manager and will be in League one again soon!

 

Remember January, Club in decline, KL going to sell the Club in a matter of weeks, no investment, MP leaving, Shaw and AL leaving, RL going to Hoof Ham, need I go on. And how much of that newspaper rubbish actually happened? Sweet f^&k all! What do we have so far, reported bids in the media that ManUre and 'Pool are after AL and Shaw. Nothing confirmed from Saints nor the Clubs involved. Sherwood sacked and guess what the media tell us MP on the way. When and if it happens that is the time to pass comment.

 

As for renewing my season ticket, again for the 37th consecutive season, yes, of course I will, as any true Saints supporter will do!

[davesaint]

I am a season ticket holder and I think, a true Saints supporter. I don't think you have to be a season ticket holder to be classed as a true supporter and I have had seasons where I have also bought tickets on a match by match basis. I agree that we have had our best season and I am certainly not moaning about that. However this year I will probably choose not to part with my money so early in the year as it is my view that we are being asked to do so without knowing how much is going to change next year. I think I have as much right to do so as the players and manager do to consider their own circumstances and I do not fear missing many matches next season if we couldn't completely fill our ground every match in what we all agree was our best season.

[Give it to Ron]

Amazing! Just had our best season, probably ever and so many so called fans are moaning. Unbelievable.

 

I know let's all believe what the papers tell us, sorry what NC feeds to his cronies in the media; so we wont have any of players, no manager and will be in League one again soon!

 

Remember January, Club in decline, KL going to sell the Club in a matter of weeks, no investment, MP leaving, Shaw and AL leaving, RL going to Hoof Ham, need I go on. And how much of that newspaper rubbish actually happened? Sweet f^&k all! What do we have so far, reported bids in the media that ManUre and 'Pool are after AL and Shaw. Nothing confirmed from Saints nor the Clubs involved. Sherwood sacked and guess what the media tell us MP on the way. When and if it happens that is the time to pass comment.

 

As for renewing my season ticket, again for the 37th consecutive season, yes, of course I will, as any true Saints supporter will do!

 

Wow I wish I was as good a supporter as you but if you have been a ST for 38 years you must have had your eyes shut in 82. Not all fans can afford to renew every year and some have circumstances change that mean they cant afford it now but don't let that fact hinder your pompous arrogance as Saints number one fan.

 

Also FYI The 1983–84 season was Southampton's most successful in terms of league position,

Edited 14 May, 2014 by Give it to Ron

[rallyboy]

Are we still in crisis?

How did the firesale go?

Presumably we got relegated as everyone hated us for sacking people.

 

Funny how the same nutters from all over the country who gobbed off then are now holding up Saints as the saviours of English football.

 

The circle of football life.

Think I'll await facts before worrying about too much.

 

And who'd like to volunteer to be the first tit to boo Lallana or Shaw if we cash in, they further their careers, and they then return to SMS with a new team?

[ringwood]

Well I've not renewed yet, so far its been about finding a 0% for 12 month card to buy them on, however I must admit to be cheesed off that we are asked to cough up earlier than last year (still paying for last years) with no certainty of who i'll be paying to watch.

 

No guarantee that a new manager will be as enamoured with playing youth or the same style of football, can only hope the philosophy of the club remains as it has for last 5 years.

 

I will be renewing

[Scummer]

Well I've not renewed yet, so far its been about finding a 0% for 12 month card to buy them on, however I must admit to be cheesed off that we are asked to cough up earlier than last year (still paying for last years) with no certainty of who i'll be paying to watch.

 

No guarantee that a new manager will be as enamoured with playing youth or the same style of football, can only hope the philosophy of the club remains as it has for last 5 years.

 

I will be renewing

 

Yeah I've just got myself a new credit card to buy mine on. Back in the Rupert Lowe days we had to pay for season tickets in March, and we constantly sold our best players so had no idea what team would show up next season. So I'm fairly blase about the whole thing. Whatever will be will be.

[alpine_saint]

Wow I wish I was as good a supporter as you but if you have been a ST for 38 years you must have had your eyes shut in 82. Not all fans can afford to renew every year and some have circumstances change that mean they cant afford it now but don't let that fact hinder your pompous arrogance as Saints number one fan.

 

Also FYI The 1983–84 season was Southampton's most successful in terms of league position,

 

Well said.

[View From The Top]

Amazing! Just had our best season, probably ever and so many so called fans are moaning. Unbelievable.

 

I know let's all believe what the papers tell us, sorry what NC feeds to his cronies in the media; so we wont have any of players, no manager and will be in League one again soon!

 

Remember January, Club in decline, KL going to sell the Club in a matter of weeks, no investment, MP leaving, Shaw and AL leaving, RL going to Hoof Ham, need I go on. And how much of that newspaper rubbish actually happened? Sweet f^&k all! What do we have so far, reported bids in the media that ManUre and 'Pool are after AL and Shaw. Nothing confirmed from Saints nor the Clubs involved. Sherwood sacked and guess what the media tell us MP on the way. When and if it happens that is the time to pass comment.

 

As for renewing my season ticket, again for the 37th consecutive season, yes, of course I will, as any true Saints supporter will do!

 

[alpine_saint]

 

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

It's a lot of money to me but I'd renew now were it not for the fact that my employer decided to issue all staff with a redundancy warning notice last Saturday. I just can't sink £600 into a new ST not knowing whether I'm going to have a job, or not, in a few weeks time. I can only hope they make there minds up re who is for the sack before the end of the month when the renewal window closes.

 

If it turns out I'm on the verge of the dreaded boot then I'm going to miss sitting with all my mates in the Chapel more than I can say. Perhaps some of you long term ST holders on here will understand when I say that I've had the same seat since 2003/4 and that 'community' feeling I get from our little part of St Marys means a hell of a lot to me.

[solentstars]

It's a lot of money to me but I'd renew now were it not for the fact that my employer decided to issue all staff with a redundancy warning notice last Saturday. I just can't sink £600 into a new ST not knowing whether I'm going to have or job, or not, in a few weeks time. I can only hope they make there minds up re who is for the sack before the end of the month when the renewal window closes.

 

If it turns out I'm on the verge of the dreaded boot then I'm going to miss sitting with all my mates in the Chapel more than I can say. Perhaps some of you long term ST holders on here will understand when I say that I've had the same seat since 2003/4 and that 'community' feeling I get from our little part of St Marys means a hell of a lot to me.

hope it all works out for you.

[Toadhall Saint]

Why the heck should I renew and buy an inflated, very expensive and unaffordable season ticket knowing that next season we will be without our best players and probably Pochettino? When we don't field our best players (as experience shows) we lose. Without MoPo the team might disintegrate. I fear that throughout the coming season we will be fighting relegation.

 

Now is the time when we will miss Cortese's bloody-mindedness. He would have had a short answer to the predators who think they can cherry pick our talent. Meanwhile our current owners signal weakness because they are not resolute and can only mumble 'discussions'.

 

I've watched Saints for fifty affordable years. Times are changing, worryingly.

 

I go to support the team - had a season ticket thru the good and the bad so won't be changing that now. What did you do when the Dutch duo took over? Did you give up then? Appreciate that price is an issue and if it is with you then fair enough.

[Ziggy]

Just renewed me and my lad's. The time we spend together now that he is at university is priceless - well priceless for him anyway as I pay!!

[ant]

It's a lot of money to me but I'd renew now were it not for the fact that my employer decided to issue all staff with a redundancy warning notice last Saturday. I just can't sink £600 into a new ST not knowing whether I'm going to have a job, or not, in a few weeks time. I can only hope they make there minds up re who is for the sack before the end of the month when the renewal window closes.

 

If it turns out I'm on the verge of the dreaded boot then I'm going to miss sitting with all my mates in the Chapel more than I can say. Perhaps some of you long term ST holders on here will understand when I say that I've had the same seat since 2003/4 and that 'community' feeling I get from our little part of St Marys means a hell of a lot to me.

 

Having been in a similar position (twice) I'm certainly empathetic to your situation. Chin up - I hope you manage to maintain your seat.

[Griffo]

Renewed yesterday. Laughable comments from people saying it depends on our players/manager. Some men that kick a football around on grass at the weekend might be going to kick a ball around for another team who will probably be replaced by other men who will kick a football around.

[Whitey Grandad]

I sat through all the rubbish seasons. I can manage the next.

[View From The Top]

It's a lot of money to me but I'd renew now were it not for the fact that my employer decided to issue all staff with a redundancy warning notice last Saturday. I just can't sink £600 into a new ST not knowing whether I'm going to have a job, or not, in a few weeks time. I can only hope they make there minds up re who is for the sack before the end of the month when the renewal window closes.

 

If it turns out I'm on the verge of the dreaded boot then I'm going to miss sitting with all my mates in the Chapel more than I can say. Perhaps some of you long term ST holders on here will understand when I say that I've had the same seat since 2003/4 and that 'community' feeling I get from our little part of St Marys means a hell of a lot to me.

 

I sincerely hope that it works out for you and you renew your ST.

[TwoPints]

Tried to renew mine and my daughters online but my daughter's doesn't appear even when I log in with her customer number and there's actually a message that says that you can renew friends and family online. They don't make it easy! Maybe they're after the extra booking fee for having to phone!

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Thanks for the kind comments from my fellow Saints fans on here. To put things in perspective I've just seen on the news a sad story about a teenage boy losing his fight against cancer. So I'm well aware that in the grand scale of human tragedy the prospect of me losing both my job, and my seat, doesn't rank very highly at all.

 

Nevertheless, St Mary's is a part of my life I'd hate to lose.

[eelpie]

I go to support the team - had a season ticket thru the good and the bad so won't be changing that now. What did you do when the Dutch duo took over? Did you give up then? Appreciate that price is an issue and if it is with you then fair enough.

 

I've had a continuous season for eleven years through all the good and bad times. I've watched Saints since before they were relegated to the old Div 3 South (my bad maths, that's more like 60 years, not 50 years ago) I've seen through three promotions and four relegations - through plenty of good and bad times (including the scary near administration days) and I will always continue to be there. I've watched Adz & co since their early Academy days, and watched Paine and Syddo since they were in Southampton schools teams. I travel 140 miles to every home match and see a lot of away matches. I'm a Saints supporter through thick and thin, and till I die.

 

My post was about whether to buy an inflated ST before we know whether our main players - the core of our team - and Mopo go or stay. I strongly feel that it is underhand of the club to rush through inflated ST deadlines, knowing there will be uncertainty of the make up of our squad for the coming season. A dirty exploitive trick imo. I will have difficulty affording the new ST prices (and I haven't decided whether to buy or not yet) but I can save a lot of money by purchasing individual games home and away.

 

ST's on a cost per match basis become even more expensive when match dates and times are changed to days and times I (and others) can't make due to other commitments, which is another stitch up by the club since SFC offers no recompence. SFC gets the TV money at ST holders' expense. Another example of how the club is exploiting it's supporters (imho). Yes, I know the conditions of sale.

 

So my comments have nothing to do with my support for everything SFC. If we are relegated again to League 1 again, heaven forbid, I will be there as always. It is a simple decision about economics now. ST or pay per match? The club is making their demands. We ST holders are making our own choices - in whichever way suits our needs.

 

Again, my question is about why should I buy an ST when it is cheaper over the season not to?

 

In the end I only get to see around 15 matches with my ST for one reason or another. Does anyone get to see all matches?

[DuncanRG]

I strongly feel that it is underhand of the club to rush through inflated ST deadlines, knowing there will be uncertainty of the make up of our squad for the coming season. A dirty exploitive trick imo.

 

You do realise that they could still sell all of our players after the season has started?

Edited 14 May, 2014 by DuncanRG

[ashleyb5443]

Anyone know what the deal is with changing your seat? The bloke 3 rows behind me really is doing my head in now.

I really should have read the letter that came through a few weeks ago.

 

I wonder how many people will renew once they hear some positive news in the press.

[Barry the Badger]

I remember the moaning when we were always the last club to open renewals. How times change.

[sandwichsaint]

I remember the moaning when we were always the last club to open renewals. How times change.

 

100% this.

 

One of the biggest gripes of the Cortese years was the fact that ST’s went on sale very late, in very restricted windows. Despite the fact that keeping your money in your pocket/bank for another three months and everybody who wanted one was able to get one, this was generally seen as a ‘bad thing’. ‘Other clubs’ got their ST sales out much earlier (often in March/April time) and often in longer windows too, this was seen as a ‘good thing’ and something we were somehow deprived of. Now we have moved to the same system employed by 99% of other clubs the club are somehow seen to be ‘ripping fans off’, selling an unknown product, or being in a greedy ‘dash for cash’. Club must be feeling they can’t win either way on this one.

 

Watch out for the next big moan: the club will bring out a half season tkt at Xmas which will include three big games, regular ST’s will say they have been ‘ripped-off’ and shouldn’t have bothered with Leicester, Palace and Stoke pre Xmas.

[doddisalegend]

I like this idea from Albion Rovers who have set up a pay what you think your ST is worth scheme. Apparently they have trebled their season ticket sales:D

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/scotland/27416968

 

Not sure it will catch on in the PL:lol:

[ladysaint]

Anyone know what the deal is with changing your seat? The bloke 3 rows behind me really is doing my head in now.

I really should have read the letter that came through a few weeks ago.

 

I wonder how many people will renew once they hear some positive news in the press.

 

You have to renew your current season ticket first and then email the club at tickets@saintsfc.co.uk to ask for a form which you will need to complete asking to change your season ticket seat.

[SaintRichmond]

Anyone know what the deal is with changing your seat? The bloke 3 rows behind me really is doing my head in now.

I really should have read the letter that came through a few weeks ago.

 

I wonder how many people will renew once they hear some positive news in the press.

 

 

I wonder how many people will renew once they hear some negative news in the press

 

THAT is why the deadline is 30th May

 

They are hoping they can keep the lid on things until AFTER that date IMHO, especially after Krueger's "people "Fans should respect that we will be holding conversations with clubs from tomorrow ....... " oratory

 

He won't be talking about the Canadian Ice Hockey team will he ?

Edited 15 May, 2014 by SaintRichmond
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[NickG]

Why the heck should I renew and buy an inflated, very expensive and unaffordable season ticket knowing that next season we will be without our best players and probably Pochettino? When we don't field our best players (as experience shows) we lose. Without MoPo the team might disintegrate. I fear that throughout the coming season we will be fighting relegation.

 

Now is the time when we will miss Cortese's bloody-mindedness. He would have had a short answer to the predators who think they can cherry pick our talent. Meanwhile our current owners signal weakness because they are not resolute and can only mumble 'discussions'.

 

I've watched Saints for fifty affordable years. Times are changing, worryingly.

 

Why should you buy? Only reason is if you enjoy going, its meant to be a pleasure, passion, hobby, so up to you. I will as enjoyed this season & looking forward to next.

 

Unaffordable? Answers the question- if you can't afford it don't buy it. Keep it in perspective.

 

Knowing will be without our best players? You don't know that at all. I wouldn't be surprised, based on no smoke without fire, if some go, but equally wouldn't be shocked if none go. Shaw has made England squad at 18 and may decide that a year or two here is good option. Saints maybe tempted by £30m but feel with huge TV money now, and likelihood that his value will rise to reject bids for couple of years. Lallana's value to the club as Mr Southampton, captain, maybe higher than clubs are willing to pay - plus 25% to cherries may go in our favour as sure saints will add onto valuation. Both signed 5 year deals last summer and type of players, I suspect, who won't sulk if bids are rejected.

Chairman has said we don't need to sell and are able to buy without player sales. Also said no player sold against managers wishes, all decisions will be in interests of team performances not player.

So you don't know anyone's leaving,players can leave any club including after season started.

 

Even if they do go, excellent as they are, others will be here - Clyne has played better than Shaw over some recent games, Wanyama was best midfielder on pitch on Sunday, Schneiderlin has been better than them over last two seasons etc

 

Probably MP? Again who knows, never saw him as very long term, but hopefully will stay. Radio 5 said he would cost spurs £9m, if true would they risk taking a manager who specialises in developing young players as the man to take their big names into top 4? Who knows.

 

You say NC was different? As you are basing your fears on newspaper talk, wasn't it NC who was going to take away one of my proudest saints moments? Seeing our Lambert going from bottom of league 1 to Brazil as a Saints player?

 

You say times have changed, I was totally disillusioned when Danny Wallace and Steve Williams left - the list got bigger, the upset got less. All clubs loose players.

 

I agree that the comments about the financial situation shouldn't have been made. But remember NC spoke about club self sufficient. Remember that KL has been our owner for all significant player signing fees and now seems to take more enjoyment from the club.

Also remember, as I already mentioned the comments that we don't need to sell / can buy more etc.

 

I was going to finish with my guess as to who will stay / go but really haven't got a clue.

 

But if MP does go, there is a manager who maybe available, who openly rates our set up, young players, our director of football so may end up here...after England exit world cup.