The New Manager Thread

[Goatboy]

Someone called Deila is going to Celtic according to Scottish news a few minutes ago

 

Where are you? Lets be avin you!

[Saint Charlie]

Be weird to approach Fulham for Magath unless we really want him.

 

If he kicks up a fuss to be able to speak to us and then we don't offer him the job then he is in a poor position with Fulham.

 

Can only assume we either want him over Koeman, or the reports are not true and just based on shortening odds.

 

But then some people must be putting big money on him...

[NI Saint]

I do not want Magath. I spoke to a Bremen supporting friend about him and he said everyone at Bremen was glad to see the back of him. The players hated him and the fans thought he was an ars e, he sounds like he was Bremen's version of Branfoot.

[Forester]

Magath's record is superb, you have to really do the research and read about it. No chance at Fulham by the time he got there. However I recognise he would not be popular with many fans and we really don't want an unwanted manager. But popular appointments don't always work out

[shurlock]

He'll play Champions League matches, that's how. The Celtic role is what it is but it has its benefits as I am sure O'Neill and our Gordon would testify.

 

I can see how that could be more appealing than taking over a middling Premier League team, a role in which he has nothing to prove. Can he manage a team to finish 8th in the Prem? Well, yeah.

 

Taking over at Newcastle, Villa (or Saints) can't be that appealing right now. At least Celtic gives him some guaranteed European football. He'd only need to do a season or two and he'd still walk into a Prem job.

 

He might be bolder and go to a German club but not convinced he is that much of a risk taker.

 

That said if he rocked up at Saints I'd be surprised but delighted.

 

What kind of a Prem job could he walk into? Managing a Scottish side arguably limits his next step to a midtable Prem side i.e. one outside the top 7. Even with his stock at an all time low, he could probably manage one of those right now. Taking a job at a Villa and Newcastle would allow him to complete his rehabilitation for a top 7 job sooner, assuming, of course, he's successful. Celtic would be a glorified sabbatical - perhaps his confidence needs it.

[saint77]

Cant back it up with who/ when but sure been mangers given permission to talk just when one of few on shortlist

 

In English please

[Viking Warrior]

Goat living in uncle Alec's chosen land . Or as it is commonly known the krankies playground

[NickG]

In English please

Fair point!

 

I am sure there have been several managers who have been allowed to talk to another club and then stayed because not the only person being spoken to. I can't back it up with who & when but think its bit different to players

[CB Saint]

Has he signed yet?

[Gorgiesaint]

Koeman 2-5 on Skybet

 

I was following Skybet last night as well. Koeman was 4-9 for most of the evening and the came in to 2-5, he's back out to 4-9 this morning. Magath was 4-1 a couple of days ago, came in to 7-2 yesterday & and is 11-4 this morning.

 

I would read that as a little price adjustment given the money they are taking on certain candidates rather than any firm indication of who might get the job.

[CB Fry]

What kind of a Prem job could he walk into? Managing a Scottish side arguably limits his next step to a midtable Prem side i.e. one outside the top 7. Even with his stock at an all time low, he could probably manage one of those right now. Taking a job at a Villa and Newcastle would allow him to complete his rehabilitation for a top 7 job sooner, assuming, of course, he's successful. Celtic would be a glorified sabbatical - perhaps his confidence needs it.

 

It would be a glorified sabbatical. Just at a "big" club, some easy trophies in the bag and guaranteed Champions League. Basically, what I said in my first post about it.

 

I think it is easy to see why that might be a better move for him right now than taking over at, say, Villa (or Saints) just to prove he can finish eighth - sixth in the league. That is not really the gap in his CV. And in a year or two he could easily get a Villa/Toon/Sunderland job - those three are hardly managed by stellar names now, and in 2016 there will be a vacancy somewhere.

 

Personally I would like to see him have a crack at the German League as he said he wanted to. Either way, I can why a move to a middling Prem club right now may not motivate him.

 

Anyway, not really the topic. Can't see him coming to us for the reasons above.

[Batman]

Why is the Fulham manager all of a sudden heavily linked?

 

Sweet Jesus

[student]

Magath still shortening. 11/4 on sky and koeman is 2/5. Bizarre

[DT]

Magath would be a massive mistake and would just about kill off any support this board has among the fans to make a decision that might crucially appeal to the wantaway players. Nail, coffin.

 

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[david in sweden]

Magath still shortening. 11/4 on sky and koeman is 2/5. Bizarre

 

the bookies have a field day - don't they? How many tens of £millions go on stupid bets based on " non stories " that have absolutely no substance.?

[shirley precinct]

Magath would be a massive mistake and would just about kill off any support this board has among the fans to make a decision that might crucially appeal to the wantaway players. Nail, coffin.

 

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Yup. Fraid so.

 

I actually quite like magath as a person. He's done fantastically well at a load of decent clubs and looks a bit like penfold (as previously discussed). Don't want him at saints though. He gives me the fear.

 

 

 

 

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[Bakovnetski]

If we have approached Fulham it suggests that Koemann has turned us down ?

[DT]

Oh god please no

 

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[obelisk]

If we have approached Fulham it suggests that Koemann has turned us down ?

Or that Koemann isn't first choice perhaps.

[Viking Warrior]

I must be true if it's magath . The mirror know all the inner secrets of every football club.

 

Thank goodness we have Guan

[Ken Tone]

If we have approached Fulham it suggests that Koemann has turned us down ?

 

Not necessarily. Am not ITK, but my interpretation is that we are genuinely looking at a range of candidates, have interviewed Koeman, wanted to interview and may have interviewed a few others , and asked to speak to the

Fulham manager as part of that .... But were apparently refused permission.

 

I don't think that means that we actually wanted Magath, just that he was on our list of possibles, and neither does it mean that we don't want or have been turned down by Koeman. Just that we are looking at all options before we decide for certain.

 

After all , this is potentially a long term appointment; it could be as much as 6 months or so before Spurs try to nick this one.

[trousers]

If we have approached Fulham it suggests that Koemann has turned us down ?

 

Or.... the board are drip feeding one or two names to the press to litmus test fans' reactions...?

[Dan Johnson]

I think it's good practice in all businesses to interview all candidates

 

Daily star reporting that Koeman has flown to the UK for taks with Southampton, according to the BBC Gossip Column, guessing they're just late reporting the news...

[St Chalet]

Seem to remember the hystrerical reaction on here when people thought Tony Adams was a done deal, we then got Pardew.

[pangy]

Pretty sure the board do not want to look like they are putting all there eggs in one basket

 

Not saying he would but if Koeman knows he is the only candidate for the job he could start asking for more wages/demands etc etc,I am sure they interview lots of managers they have no interest in giving the job too,they just need to make it look like its a red hot job that everyone wants

[Window Cleaner]

the bookies have a field day - don't they? How many tens of £millions go on stupid bets based on " non stories " that have absolutely no substance.?

 

 

It's what bookies do isn't it, live off other people's greed. It's not their fault if chancers punt stupid sums on happenings and

events that they know nothing about. Gambling should be outlawed on events where no parameters are defined. Still I expect governments everywhere make fat sums off of it so there's no chance.

[SaintRichmond]

Not necessarily. Am not ITK, but my interpretation is that we are genuinely looking at a range of candidates, have interviewed Koeman, wanted to interview and may have interviewed a few others , and asked to speak to the

Fulham manager as part of that .... But were apparently refused permission.

 

I don't think that means that we actually wanted Magath, just that he was on our list of possibles, and neither does it mean that we don't want or have been turned down by Koeman. Just that we are looking at all options before we decide for certain.

 

After all , this is potentially a long term appointment; it could be as much as 6 months or so before Spurs try to nick this one.

 

 

Sorry, but if SFC are seriously looking at Magath, to take us forward, - a man who, according to most pundits, is universally detested by every Club he has "managed"then that really does show the "non-depth" of Katharinas "New Project"

 

What about all the many enquiries that came flooding in when MoPo left. According to Ralph, he needed 2 Notelets to get both names on ?

 

Poor Markus, his dreams are really being destroyed IMHO

[Saint Charlie]

If we asked Fulham to speak to him then he is obviously very high up the list. How many times do you see clubs approach in work Managers and then decide on someone else? Answer: not often because it ruins the position of the Manager at his Club.

 

Magath, at the current time would be a silly one. Fans want Koeman, would give the club a lift...seems a no brainer.

[Ken Tone]

Sorry, but if SFC are seriously looking at Magath, to take us forward, - a man who, according to most pundits, is universally detested by every Club he has "managed"then that really does show the "non-depth" of Katharinas "New Project"

 

What about all the many enquiries that came flooding in when MoPo left. According to Ralph, he needed 2 Notelets to get both names on ?

 

Poor Markus, his dreams are really being destroyed IMHO

 

Harsh. Just because he might have been on our list of possibles, according to one newspaper, it is a pretty huge step to your 'world is ending' scenario.

 

Personally if I were stupid enough to ever bet, I'd still be betting on Koeman anyway.

[Ken Tone]

If we asked Fulham to speak to him then he is obviously very high up the list. How many times do you see clubs approach in work Managers and then decide on someone else? Answer: not often because it ruins the position of the Manager at his Club.

 

Magath, at the current time would be a silly one. Fans want Koeman, would give the club a lift...seems a no brainer.

 

I'd have thought that to be approached by a PL club when you've only been at a club for a few months,and that club had been relegated, would *strengthen* the manager's position, not ruin it.

 

Which is probably why it's been leaked to the press, I imagine by him or his agent.

[Bearsy]

Magath, at the current time would be a silly one. Fans want Koeman, would give the club a lift...seems a no brainer.

 

should be ok then, the board is full of no brainers

[Frank's cousin]

should be ok then, the board is full of no brainers

 

 

That is so good, I am wasting one of my 3 a day just to

[Window Cleaner]

It's rumoured up here that moyes is going to Celtic

 

 

Rehab for disgraced football managers.

[dubai_phil]

I have one reservation with Magath.

 

Namely that he was stupid enough to take on the Fulham job. IMHO that means he is either insanely arrogant or just simply thick, as it was clear to any of Bearsy's no brainers that Fulham were a basket case of a club.

 

Anything else is just speculation and gossip, but for taking on Fulham? For that reason alone, I'm out.

[Window Cleaner]

Magath has his qualities that would appeal to the "board"...he's German... Also reputed as a bit of a hard liner, Mauricio was a hard liner you know, the players liked him and he had their respect but he wasn't a soft old gran.

 

I remember predicting back in January when Mauricio seemed undecided that our next manager might be a German, I was thinking more Rosler though.

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[Window Cleaner]

I have one reservation with Magath.

 

Namely that he was stupid enough to take on the Fulham job. IMHO that means he is either insanely arrogant or just simply thick, as it was clear to any of Bearsy's no brainers that Fulham were a basket case of a club.

 

Anything else is just speculation and gossip, but for taking on Fulham? For that reason alone, I'm out.

 

A job's a job isn't it. Got him a few quid I expect and let him get his foot back in the stirrup after a bit of an absence. Never knock anyone for taking a job when they don't have one myself...well unless they work in a call centre :rolleyes:

[Saint Charlie]

I'd have thought that to be approached by a PL club when you've only been at a club for a few months,and that club had been relegated, would *strengthen* the manager's position, not ruin it.

 

Which is probably why it's been leaked to the press, I imagine by him or his agent.

 

Not if, as reported, he will have to kick up a fuss to be allowed to hold talks with us, as would be a bit awkward for him if he then doesnt get the job.

 

If he pushes hard to speak to us then its because he is firmly in the hunt.

[Toon Saint]

Could get right behind Koeman or Rangnick as manager, but Magath would be an absolute disaster IMO. His draconian man-management skills are not what our young, vibrant team need. Can't help but feel he'd only hasten the departures of a few key players who are perhaps unsettled, but more importantly, used to progressing under a manager who actually respected them as human beings. Would kill off any residual faith I might have left in this board.

[dellboypete]

the bookies have a field day - don't they? How many tens of £millions go on stupid bets based on " non stories " that have absolutely no substance.?

 

Just out of interest, and not being a betting man, is much money actually bet on this?

[jayrivers]

Could get right behind Koeman or Rangnick as manager, but Magath would be an absolute disaster IMO. His draconian man-management skills are not what our young, vibrant team need. Can't help but feel he'd only hasten the departures of a few key players who are perhaps unsettled, but more importantly, used to progressing under a manager who actually respected them as human beings. Would kill off any residual faith I might have left in this board.

 

This!!! Maybe Magath was who Di Canio was basing his man management skills on

[Pancake]

I wonder if Koeman was interviewed earlier this week and it went well. Maybe he wanted a lot of money to sign or something and Saints have leaked a story about another candidate to the press (via an outlet that they also leaked shouldn't be believed) to try and force Koemans hand.

 

One for Trousers me thinks.

[del boy]

This Summer provides a whole host of meltdown opportunities.

 

I'm going to have to pace myself.

 

I think I'll wait until the manager announcement from Saints before I really go for it, I just don't have the energy for 100% effort for every suggested rumour of a possibility. Good to see some of you younger ones have though

[saintsdan]

If we asked Fulham to speak to him then he is obviously very high up the list. How many times do you see clubs approach in work Managers and then decide on someone else? Answer: not often because it ruins the position of the Manager at his Club.

 

Magath, at the current time would be a silly one. Fans want Koeman, would give the club a lift...seems a no brainer.

 

We did precisely that with Eddie Howe at Bournemouth before appointing Nigel Adkins.

[SaintRichmond]

IMHO The Board have illustrated how completely Inept they are

 

We ARE a Prem Club that finished 8th last season

 

We have a crop of Very good players

 

It was common knowledge that Spurs were after MoPo way back in January

 

Saints SHOULD be an attractive proposition to Many TOP Managers.

 

So what's the problem ???

 

If the Board did not due any prelim groundwork re getting a Manager lined up should MoPo leave, then that is unacceptable

 

But it appears that way, because not only are they Faffing around trying to attract one that will come, it appears that the "New Project" on offer is not to the liking of Quality would be applicants. We are NOT as an attractive proposition as one first thought.

 

I have said we will end up with a dross Manager, and end up with a dross project

 

The way things are going, staying up next season will be a major achievement IMHO

[Window Cleaner]

Really I don't know what you're all moaning about, wait until they publish the short list (as promised:mcinnes:) , then we can have some serious discussion and people will stop betting on candidates who aren't on it...mind you the bookies will be miffed.

[Ken Tone]

I wonder if Koeman was interviewed earlier this week and it went well. Maybe he wanted a lot of money to sign or something and Saints have leaked a story about another candidate to the press (via an outlet that they also leaked shouldn't be believed) to try and force Koemans hand.

 

One for Trousers me thinks.

 

Just because the mirror is reporting now that we aren't being allowed to talk to Marath ,does not mean a) it's necessarily true, b) that if it was true , it was only very recent. It might have been before we spoke to Koeman.

 

And IMO it is much more likely that Marath has leaked the story, rather than Saints, to strengthen his position at Fulham .... Look I must be a good manager, even PL teams are interested in me. Don't sack me.

 

It definitely does not necessarily mean we were particularly keen on him.

 

But also, yes, you're right, it is good tactics for saints to have Koeman, or any other candidate, realise that they are not our only option. We don't want him to have too strong a negotiating position.

[Ken Tone]

IMHO The Board have illustrated how completely Inept they are

 

We ARE a Prem Club that finished 8th last season

 

We have a crop of Very good players

 

It was common knowledge that Spurs were after MoPo way back in January

 

Saints SHOULD be an attractive proposition to Many TOP Managers.

 

So what's the problem ???

 

If the Board did not due any prelim groundwork re getting a Manager lined up should MoPo leave, then that is unacceptable

 

But it appears that way, because not only are they Faffing around trying to attract one that will come, it appears that the "New Project" on offer is not to the liking of Quality would be applicants. We are NOT as an attractive proposition as one first thought.

 

I have said we will end up with a dross Manager, and end up with a dross project

 

The way things are going, staying up next season will be a major achievement IMHO

 

you really do live in a strange world.

[badgerx16]

Whether it is Koeman, Magath, Moyes, Mackay, or Lennon, any managerial appointment is a gamble - none of them brings a guarantee of success.

[Saint Charlie]

We did precisely that with Eddie Howe at Bournemouth before appointing Nigel Adkins.

 

And AFCB probably allowed him to speak to us. If Fulham havent then Magath will need to kick up a fuss, which puts him in a difficult position unless he knows he is very likely to get the job.

[benjii]

IMHO The Board have illustrated how completely Inept they are

 

We ARE a Prem Club that finished 8th last season

 

We have a crop of Very good players

 

It was common knowledge that Spurs were after MoPo way back in January

 

Saints SHOULD be an attractive proposition to Many TOP Managers.

 

So what's the problem ???

 

If the Board did not due any prelim groundwork re getting a Manager lined up should MoPo leave, then that is unacceptable

 

But it appears that way, because not only are they Faffing around trying to attract one that will come, it appears that the "New Project" on offer is not to the liking of Quality would be applicants. We are NOT as an attractive proposition as one first thought.

 

I have said we will end up with a dross Manager, and end up with a dross project

 

The way things are going, staying up next season will be a major achievement IMHO

 

You're coming across as a dribbling simpleton.

 

Save some of your scorn for MP who always indicated he might not want to leave. He also had a year left on his contract. You're seriously suggesting that one of the board's first actions should have been to start an earnest hunt for a new manager when the incumbent is doing an excellent job, is widely popular and has a year and a half left on his contract? Genius.

 

And I'm not sure why you are convinced we can't attract a decent replacement. By all accounts , Koeman and Yakin are interested. We are, rightly, not panicking to appoint the first decent candidate we interview.

 

As for relegation: no chance, unless we sell Lallana, Shaw and several of Lovren, Morgan, Fonte, Wanyama etc and we don't sign anyone decent.

 

You honestly think we're going to finish below several of West Brom, Sunderland, Swansea, West Ham, Stoke, Leicester, Burnley, QPR? It would take a monumental cock up to manage that and so far there is no reason to expect one.