Lallana's Left Peg Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 Imagine a few years ago if someone told you Ronald Koeman would be Saints manager. Ridiculous. Whatever ambivalence people have about his record, the Dutch league etc., there can be little doubt this boosts the club's profile and will attract a lot of interest. Spend some decent money and it's clear we're not just the little club that's lost its players and given up. I agree with that but I worry about the amount of change that will happen in just one summer: 1. Losing your Manager and coaching staff (no continuity at First Team level at all) 2. The first transfer window for the new Board (and Les Reed) to get stuck into 3. Losing a few of your best players It's 50/50 whether or not we come out the other side of it in half decent shape. We have a chance to, but I do worry about Les Reed.
Sour Mash Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 It's being reported tonight that Lovren has requested to leave as well...someone random said it was on a Croatian interview, so will have to see if anything comes of that. Stick a link up to this?
Heisenberg Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 Imagine a few years ago if someone told you Ronald Koeman would be Saints manager. Ridiculous. Whatever ambivalence people have about his record, the Dutch league etc., there can be little doubt this boosts the club's profile and will attract a lot of interest. Spend some decent money and it's clear we're not just the little club that's lost its players and given up. Would have a whiff of Swansea summer 2k12 about it. Lost Rodgers, Allen and Sinclair, but recruited Laudrup and Michu and went on to finish 9th and league cup winners. Perhaps we can now follow Swansea's 2k12 lead rather than being a year behind everything Norwich do... 2010 Norwich promoted to Championship 2011 Southampton promoted to Championship 2011 Norwich promoted to the Prem 2012 Southampton promoted to the Prem 2012 Norwich finish mid table in the Prem 2013 Southampton finish mid table in the Prem 2013 Norwich relegated 2014 Southampton............
S-Clarke Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 Stick a link up to this? I'm pretty sure it's rubbish, it was just a random thing on facebook I saw. Something about it being reported on Croatian tv? anyone out there who has been watching Croatian sports tv..????
DT Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 Imagine a few years ago if someone told you Ronald Koeman would be Saints manager. Ridiculous. Whatever ambivalence people have about his record, the Dutch league etc., there can be little doubt this boosts the club's profile and will attract a lot of interest. Spend some decent money and it's clear we're not just the little club that's lost its players and given up. Spot on
shirleysfc Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 Would have a whiff of Swansea summer 2k12 about it. Lost Rodgers, Allen and Sinclair, but recruited Laudrup and Michu and went on to finish 9th and league cup winners. Perhaps we can now follow Swansea's 2k12 lead rather than being a year behind everything Norwich do... 2010 Norwich promoted to Championship 2011 Southampton promoted to Championship 2011 Norwich promoted to the Prem 2012 Southampton promoted to the Prem 2012 Norwich finish mid table in the Prem 2013 Southampton finish mid table in the Prem 2013 Norwich relegated 2014 Southampton............ There could be something in this - in 2013 CanaryWeb banned Glasgow_Canary... spooky.
Goatboy Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 Would have a whiff of Swansea summer 2k12 about it. Lost Rodgers, Allen and Sinclair, but recruited Laudrup and Michu and went on to finish 9th and league cup winners. Perhaps we can now follow Swansea's 2k12 lead rather than being a year behind everything Norwich do... 2010 Norwich promoted to Championship 2011 Southampton promoted to Championship 2011 Norwich promoted to the Prem 2012 Southampton promoted to the Prem 2012 Norwich finish mid table in the Prem 2013 Southampton finish mid table in the Prem 2013 Norwich relegated 2014 Southampton............ Sure I've read this Norwich / Saints link before. Can't think who used to post this sort of stuff:rolleyes:
Nolan Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 I'm pretty sure it's rubbish, it was just a random thing on facebook I saw. Something about it being reported on Croatian tv? anyone out there who has been watching Croatian sports tv..???? it is Rubbish the last thing about Lovren on HRT (Croatian State Media) was that he was contracted to Saints for 3 more years and that his future was down to the club, not him. http://sport.hrt.hr/klub-ce-odluciti-o-mojem-eventualnom-transferu
S-Clarke Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 Would have a whiff of Swansea summer 2k12 about it. Lost Rodgers, Allen and Sinclair, but recruited Laudrup and Michu and went on to finish 9th and league cup winners. Perhaps we can now follow Swansea's 2k12 lead rather than being a year behind everything Norwich do... 2010 Norwich promoted to Championship 2011 Southampton promoted to Championship 2011 Norwich promoted to the Prem 2012 Southampton promoted to the Prem 2012 Norwich finish mid table in the Prem 2013 Southampton finish mid table in the Prem 2013 Norwich relegated 2014 Southampton............ It's incredibly spooky actually. Relegated together in the PL back in 05, relegated together to L1 in 09. How closely our futures have been over the last 10-15 years is unreal. I honestly thought we'd banish that one now, but going at this rate we will do well not to follow them! But Koeman looks a done deal to me, would bring stability and some leadership in a time when we are seriously lacking either. Hope we get it done ASAP so we can try and start a salvage operation! He's experienced enough to handle it, I reckon. I think Losing Shaw, Lallana, Lambert and MP - but keeping the rest and recruiting Koeman would be the best of a bad job....but it needs to happen quick!
The Cat Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 Post on the Echo Forum that Koeman was shown round Staplewood today I have heard the same. And not from Facebook, because I'm not on it. He's been at St Mary's too.
Dalek2003 Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 It's incredibly spooky actually. Relegated together in the PL back in 05, relegated together to L1 in 09. How closely our futures have been over the last 10-15 years is unreal. I honestly thought we'd banish that one now, but going at this rate we will do well not to follow them! But Koeman looks a done deal to me, would bring stability and some leadership in a time when we are seriously lacking either. Hope we get it done ASAP so we can try and start a salvage operation! He's experienced enough to handle it, I reckon. I think Losing Shaw, Lallana, Lambert and MP - but keeping the rest and recruiting Koeman would be the best of a bad job....but it needs to happen quick! Up here in Norwich I am fully aware of how the two clubs fortunes have been closely tied. Like you I am convinced that a high quality manager will make all the difference as I reckon the board will take the right actions but are still wet around the ears and it is a cut throat 'dog eat dog' world in the Premier league ! Koeman or Hoddle would do the job well.
TwoPints Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 I see that Bet365, BWIN, 32Red, StanJames, Betway, Boylesports and Betdaq have suspended betting on the new boss today. All others have RK shortening and the rest, bar one or two exceptions, are drifting. I might be reading this wrong but Betfred, BetVictor, Ladbrokes, William Hill and Betfair also seem to have suspended betting.
Ed Rooney Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 Would have a whiff of Swansea summer 2k12 about it. Lost Rodgers, Allen and Sinclair, but recruited Laudrup and Michu and went on to finish 9th and league cup winners. Perhaps we can now follow Swansea's 2k12 lead rather than being a year behind everything Norwich do... 2010 Norwich promoted to Championship 2011 Southampton promoted to Championship 2011 Norwich promoted to the Prem 2012 Southampton promoted to the Prem 2012 Norwich finish mid table in the Prem 2013 Southampton finish mid table in the Prem 2013 Norwich relegated 2014 Southampton............ In 1966 Eurovision was won by Austria Champions League was won by Real Madrid La Liga was won by Athletico Madrid A team won the FA cup coming from 2-0 down Fulham were relegated England won the World Cup
Heisenberg Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 I might be reading this wrong but Betfred, BetVictor, Ladbrokes, William Hill and Betfair also seem to have suspended betting. They all do over-night. Every night
TwoPints Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 They all do over-night. Every night Bugger ... I'll calm down now then!
Heisenberg Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 In 1966 Eurovision was won by Austria Champions League was won by Real Madrid La Liga was won by Athletico Madrid A team won the FA cup coming from 2-0 down Fulham were relegated England won the World Cup sweet LIKE CHOCLATE England are 28/1 to win the WC
Heisenberg Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 Bugger ... I'll calm down now then! Only learnt that myself a few days ago
buctootim Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 England are 28/1 to win the WC Not atm. Betting is suspended.
Ed Rooney Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 sweet LIKE CHOCLATE England are 28/1 to win the WC ......
St Jim Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 Shortest odds are now 8\13 for Koemen. Looks nailed on. As with one of my previous comments I still don't get why Dyche is such short odds (currently 2nd favourite at 9\2 and 4\1). He's been hardly mentioned in the media and on forums.
S-Clarke Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 Shortest odds are now 8\13 for Koemen. Looks nailed on. As with one of my previous comments I still don't get why Dyche is such short odds (currently 2nd favourite at 9\2 and 4\1). He's been hardly mentioned in the media and on forums. Good manger tbf, but not currently what we need. The club needs an experienced and high profile manager to bring some leadership and direction back to the table.
St Jim Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 Good manger tbf, but not currently what we need. The club needs an experienced and high profile manager to bring some leadership and direction back to the table. Average record at Watford (although I don't know what the circumstances were there). Did well at Burnley. I agree that the club needs a high profile manager for this appointment.
RedFear Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 Good manger tbf, but not currently what we need. The club needs an experienced and high profile manager to bring some leadership and direction back to the table. hes and excellent manager. had a better record at Watford then Rodgers and Mackay, and that's after the team had been stripped of its best players by both of them. All whilst also dealing with a lunatic as chairman/owner he then went on and done what we all know with burnley (in style), when I don't remember too many people tipping them for promotion now, whether he would be right for us, I don't know. But there is little to put down about his career so far that's for sure
Lets B Avenue Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 In 1966 Eurovision was won by Austria Champions League was won by Real Madrid La Liga was won by Athletico Madrid A team won the FA cup coming from 2-0 down Fulham were relegated England won the World Cup Fulham weren't relegated till 1968.
Pierre Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 Koeman is a big name manager who has managed at big clubs. He also has a pretty good record with young players. Feyenoord we're sorry to see him go. We should be pinching ouselves.
shurlock Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 Koeman is a big name manager who has managed at big clubs. He also has a pretty good record with young players. Feyenoord we're sorry to see him go. We should be pinching ouselves. Welcome Pierre. Would be great to get your thoughts on Koeman, his strengths and weaknesses as a manager, why it's worked at Feyenoord but not at other clubs?
Heisenberg Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 Welcome Pierre. Would be great to get your thoughts on Koeman, his strengths and weaknesses as a manager, why it's worked at Feyenoord but not at other clubs? worked at Feyenoord but not at other clubs??? Ajax: He won the league twice + 2 cup wins Benfica: He won the Portuguese SuperCup PSV: He won the league Valencia: He won the Copa del Rey AZ: He won the Dutch Super Cup
SNSUN Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 He's been assistant manager at Barca and for Holland too. For Barcalona he was assistant to Van Gaal too, an interesting link for the Premier League.
shurlock Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 worked at Feyenoord but not at other clubs??? Ajax: He won the league twice + 2 cup wins Benfica: He won the Portuguese SuperCup PSV: He won the league Valencia: He won the Copa del Rey AZ: He won the Dutch Super Cup He was chased out of Valencia with the proverbial pitchfork- almost relegated a heavyweight that was near the top of the league. You might be a sucker for cups Glasgow but it was a catastrophic season. He was similarly fired at AZ. You don't think these questions will be raised in an interview? Of course, there maybe perfectly understandable mitigating circumstances. As such, would like to hear someone's informed thoughts rather than read your cut-and-paste Wiki entries
SaintRobbie Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 In 1966 Eurovision was won by Austria Champions League was won by Real Madrid La Liga was won by Athletico Madrid A team won the FA cup coming from 2-0 down Fulham were relegated England won the World Cup Imagine having an accumulator on that lot!
saintnick Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 Don't be surprised if woy is our manager next season IMHO
Heisenberg Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 He was chased out of Valencia with the proverbial pitchfork- almost relegated a heavyweight His spell at Valencia was not the best, but lets not make things up. Almost relegated them? they finished 10th
pangy Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 Actually excited about the thought of Koeman,on paper he is a massive upgrade on MP,let's hope the board back him financially and we wipe the smirks off every other prem football fans face
Leslie Charteris Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 Koeman could be great for us inasmuch as he would probably settle any players fears about the club's ambition. Sean Dyche has done wonders at Burnley, was poorly treated by Watford and I think would do a good job but maybe he would not command the respect of our "big" players in the way Koeman could. He might get the Luggy treatment and so, on balance, I really hope we get the Dutchman.
Leslie Charteris Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 Don't be surprised if woy is our manager next season IMHO But he is halfway through a 4 year contract - surely that counts for something...
Matthew Le God Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 He was chased out of Valencia with the proverbial pitchfork- almost relegated a heavyweight His spell at Valencia was not the best, but lets not make things up. Almost relegated them? they finished 10th He wasn't the manager when they finished the season, he was sacked in April with them 2 points above the relegation zone.
shurlock Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 (edited) His spell at Valencia was not the best, but lets not make things up. Almost relegated them? they finished 10th He was fired after their 5-1 defeat to Bilbao with Valencia two points above the relegation zone. It was the caretaker manager Volo who steadied the ship for the remaining games of the season and steered them to 10th. Welcome back Glasgow. Edited 2 June, 2014 by shurlock
FloridaMarlin Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 But he is halfway through a 4 year contract - surely that counts for something... There is a mutual review clause for both parties after a major championship. Standard FA England manager's contract.
Heisenberg Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 He wasn't the manager when they finished the season, he was sacked in April with them 2 points above the relegation zone. With how many games in hand? Bout 7
shurlock Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 With how many games in hand? Bout 7 5 games remaining and what was considered the most difficult run-in of all the teams at the bottom
Heisenberg Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 5 games in what was considered the most difficult run-in of all the teams at the bottom Another made up 'fact'?
shurlock Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 Another made up 'fact'? http://www.theguardian.com/football/2008/apr/21/europeanfootball.sport
Heisenberg Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 http://www.theguardian.com/football/2008/apr/21/europeanfootball.sport would like to hear someone's informed thoughts rather than read your cut-and-paste Guardian entries
Leslie Charteris Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 There is a mutual review clause for both parties after a major championship. Standard FA England manager's contract. Aha! So it is possible, but unlikely I'd have thought.
Leslie Charteris Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 would like to hear someone's informed thoughts rather than read your cut-and-paste Guardian entries Koeman with a three year contact and £50m to spend - I'd be happy with that.
shurlock Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 would like to hear someone's informed thoughts rather than read your cut-and-paste Guardian entries Exactly. Hence why I asked Pierre -had read a lot about him and wanted to understand more- all before you came steaming in and made an utter tit of yourself.
Dark Munster Posted 3 June, 2014 Posted 3 June, 2014 Would have a whiff of Swansea summer 2k12 about it. Lost Rodgers, Allen and Sinclair, but recruited Laudrup and Michu and went on to finish 9th and league cup winners. Perhaps we can now follow Swansea's 2k12 lead rather than being a year behind everything Norwich do... 2010 Norwich promoted to Championship 2011 Southampton promoted to Championship 2011 Norwich promoted to the Prem 2012 Southampton promoted to the Prem 2012 Norwich finish mid table in the Prem 2013 Southampton finish mid table in the Prem 2013 Norwich relegated 2014 Southampton............ We're not always a year behind them: 1974 Norwich relegated from the old division 1 1974 Southampton relegated from the old division 1 2005 Norwich relegated from the premiership 2005 Southampton relegated from the premiership 2009 Norwich relegated from the championship 2009 Southampton relegated from the championship We dodged one bullet this year.
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