Shandy_Top_89 Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Wonder if we might get the real Dutch revolution this time; ---------------Mulder------------------ Clyne--Lovren--De Vrij--Martins-Indl ------Wanyama--Schneiderlin------ --Rodriguez--Ramirez--Lallana------ ---------------Pelle-------------------- Extreme wishful thinking (but Shaw still sold) edition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Think they've got to go for Moyes really, any of the other names would be a massive gamble & the way things are going it ain't worth the risk. Seems a no brainer really. V.tempted by the 10/1 odds betfred is offering! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Jim Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 (edited) Yakin has that special extra something. Now what is it? Oh yeah. He's not bloody Christian Gross. That's right he's not Gross, going by you very own words he's a worse manager........ Yakin: 56% win percentage in his last job at Basel. Thems pretty big apples in the only stat that counts. Gross has a 58% win percentage at Basel. Thems pretty big apples in the only stat that counts. Edited 31 May, 2014 by St Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Under the present circumstances, I'm not at all surprised that they want away IMHO, if Pochettino had stayed, the players would have stayed, because next season we could have qualified for Europe, something most Top players want So, as I said, they will seek to go to Ambitious Clubs What part of that don't you agree with. Calling me names does not alter the fact that SFC is a Shambles at the moment But I expect you think it is all peaches and cream This is the crux of the matter The board and KL did not agree with the Cortese vision or business plan so they replaced him However it was his vision that held everything together in terms of management players etc. To date the board have not replaced the old vision with anything credible and so everyone from the manager and players have lost that club spirit and are looking after number one! The board need to come out with credible plans and a credible manager soon if they really intend the club to compete before they lose more players and more importantly the motivation of those that remain. They need to take action fast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 So you think the current board have a plan and have sold it to the former manager and players do you and therefore the existing chaos and bail outs are not happening? No, I think Poch went to Spurs because he sees it as a step up and clearly couldn't care less about Saints. The players rumoured to be leaving are all being chased by Champs League clubs. There is nothing to suggest the board has a lack of ambition at all. So far we have - Lost a manager who obviously doesn't want to be here and just saw us a stepping stone. - Lost a player in the twilight of his career who wants one last chance to play for his boyhood club. - Rejected a bid of £25m for Lallana going by the latest reports. I fail to see what constitutes a lack of ambition in any of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 No, I think Poch went to Spurs because he sees it as a step up and clearly couldn't care less about Saints. The players rumoured to be leaving are all being chased by Champs League clubs. There is nothing to suggest the board has a lack of ambition at all. So far we have - Lost a manager who obviously doesn't want to be here and just saw us a stepping stone. - Lost a player in the twilight of his career who wants one last chance to play for his boyhood club. - Rejected a bid of £25m for Lallana going by the latest reports. I fail to see what constitutes a lack of ambition in any of that. Indeed, if the situation remains the same and we get a really good manager in, it could turn into a decent transfer window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 No, I think Poch went to Spurs because he sees it as a step up and clearly couldn't care less about Saints. The players rumoured to be leaving are all being chased by Champs League clubs. There is nothing to suggest the board has a lack of ambition at all. So far we have - Lost a manager who obviously doesn't want to be here and just saw us a stepping stone. - Lost a player in the twilight of his career who wants one last chance to play for his boyhood club. - Rejected a bid of £25m for Lallana going by the latest reports. I fail to see what constitutes a lack of ambition in any of that. Good post. I can see why the bedwetting is happening, but when you think about it the board have had their hands tied in a number of ways: we are not a big club, we can't offer European football and hey, this is just how "the best league in the world" operates. Ruthless and set up for the top 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goneawol Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Nothing new in the Mirror... http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/next-southampton-manager-ronald-koeman-3631196 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 No, I think Poch went to Spurs because he sees it as a step up and clearly couldn't care less about Saints. The players rumoured to be leaving are all being chased by Champs League clubs. There is nothing to suggest the board has a lack of ambition at all. So far we have - Lost a manager who obviously doesn't want to be here and just saw us a stepping stone. - Lost a player in the twilight of his career who wants one last chance to play for his boyhood club. - Rejected a bid of £25m for Lallana going by the latest reports. I fail to see what constitutes a lack of ambition in any of that. Spot on. Good to see some logic and balance on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Nothing new in the Mirror... http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/next-southampton-manager-ronald-koeman-3631196 First reports I've seen of us actually having conversations with people. Interesting that it says Sherwood has spoken to us, rather than the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvictaSaint Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 No, I think Poch went to Spurs because he sees it as a step up and clearly couldn't care less about Saints. The players rumoured to be leaving are all being chased by Champs League clubs. There is nothing to suggest the board has a lack of ambition at all. So far we have - Lost a manager who obviously doesn't want to be here and just saw us a stepping stone. - Lost a player in the twilight of his career who wants one last chance to play for his boyhood club. - Rejected a bid of £25m for Lallana going by the latest reports. I fail to see what constitutes a lack of ambition in any of that. Post of the day - and some rational, objective thinking to boot; in rare supply around here at the moment.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Wonder if we might get the real Dutch revolution this time; ---------------Mulder------------------ Clyne--Lovren--De Vrij--Martins-Indl ------Wanyama--Schneiderlin------ --Rodriguez--Ramirez--Lallana------ ---------------Pelle-------------------- Extreme wishful thinking (but Shaw still sold) edition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 K. Billy's supersound was saying on the Lambert thread last night; Re manager shortlist again told that 3 or 4 on it and all not based in UK so expect a foreign appointment. So I think we can discount anyone British or any foreigner who has been managing in England this past season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 I reckon it's Koeman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Worrying that Oscar Garcia is always mentioned in the reports about our Manager search... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Worrying that Oscar Garcia is always mentioned in the reports about our Manager search... Agent waffle, that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 I reckon it's Koeman. Definitely hope that is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvictaSaint Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 I reckon it's Koeman. What makes you think that S-Clarke? Genuine question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Wonder if we might get the real Dutch revolution this time; ---------------Mulder------------------ Clyne--Lovren--De Vrij--Martins-Indl ------Wanyama--Schneiderlin------ --Rodriguez--Ramirez--Lallana------ ---------------Pelle-------------------- Extreme wishful thinking (but Shaw still sold) edition. Maybe we even keep Shaw if Martins-Indi goes to united Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 What makes you think that S-Clarke? Genuine question. Ticks all the boxes for me. high profile, stock is high - talented manager, has always been focused on youth development and youth progression. Would raise the commercial profile of the club abroad, which is what the club seem to be bothered about. And the most important thing, he is leaving his current club and has openly admitted he wants to manage in the PL. There are no other options in the PL right now, it's kind of a no brainer for all in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 No, I think Poch went to Spurs because he sees it as a step up and clearly couldn't care less about Saints. The players rumoured to be leaving are all being chased by Champs League clubs. There is nothing to suggest the board has a lack of ambition at all. So far we have - Lost a manager who obviously doesn't want to be here and just saw us a stepping stone. - Lost a player in the twilight of his career who wants one last chance to play for his boyhood club. - Rejected a bid of £25m for Lallana going by the latest reports. I fail to see what constitutes a lack of ambition in any of that. Outstanding post mate. I've actually started to feel a bit of this negativity in the past few days, but you have reminded me to keep it all in perspective. Despite all the speculation we just don't know what is going to happen. Regardless come August we'll be playing in the PL, and I still believe/hope/expect to have a competitive team to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Jim Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 No, I think Poch went to Spurs because he sees it as a step up and clearly couldn't care less about Saints. The players rumoured to be leaving are all being chased by Champs League clubs. There is nothing to suggest the board has a lack of ambition at all. So far we have - Lost a manager who obviously doesn't want to be here and just saw us a stepping stone. - Lost a player in the twilight of his career who wants one last chance to play for his boyhood club. - Rejected a bid of £25m for Lallana going by the latest reports. I fail to see what constitutes a lack of ambition in any of that. How dare you come onto this thread with your sensible, reasoned arguments. Bed-wetting negativity only please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Wonder if we might get the real Dutch revolution this time; ---------------Mulder------------------ Clyne--Lovren--De Vrij--Martins-Indl ------Wanyama--Schneiderlin------ --Rodriguez--Ramirez--Lallana------ ---------------Pelle-------------------- Extreme wishful thinking (but Shaw still sold) edition. Also, if we end up selling Lallana (god, I hope not) then we can get Adam Maher in for his replacement. Wouldn't say no to Depay either to replace Ramirez.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Outstanding post mate. I've actually started to feel a bit of this negativity in the past few days, but you have reminded me to keep it all in perspective. Despite all the speculation we just don't know what is going to happen. Regardless come August we'll be playing in the PL, and I still believe/hope/expect to have a competitive team to do it. Yup, I see it the same way. Potentially, this could be a disastrous summer, but let's wait and see what happens before August... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Ticks all the boxes for me. high profile, stock is high - talented manager, has always been focused on youth development and youth progression. Would raise the commercial profile of the club abroad, which is what the club seem to be bothered about. And the most important thing, he is leaving his current club and has openly admitted he wants to manage in the PL. There are no other options in the PL right now, it's kind of a no brainer for all in my opinion. This guy is just another Mark Wotte, all mouth and leaves others to do his work. I'd rather an honest entertaining guy like Jan Poortvliet than this a*se hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 This guy is just another Mark Wotte, all mouth and leaves others to do his work. I'd rather an honest entertaining guy like Jan Poortvliet than this a*se hole. Is that just because he's dutch, and looks slightly similar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 This guy is just another Mark Wotte, all mouth and leaves others to do his work. I'd rather an honest entertaining guy like Jan Poortvliet than this a*se hole. Koeman was a great international player who has played for and coached at various levels, some of the biggest clubs in Europe. How is that like Wotte?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 No, I think Poch went to Spurs because he sees it as a step up and clearly couldn't care less about Saints. The players rumoured to be leaving are all being chased by Champs League clubs. There is nothing to suggest the board has a lack of ambition at all. So far we have - Lost a manager who obviously doesn't want to be here and just saw us a stepping stone. - Lost a player in the twilight of his career who wants one last chance to play for his boyhood club. - Rejected a bid of £25m for Lallana going by the latest reports. I fail to see what constitutes a lack of ambition in any of that. To those who think this is a good post, better keep your heads in the sand because you may not like what you find when you look up. Since when was it a twilight of a player's career when he's just played his first games for England and is called up for the World Cup? Refusing a bid because it's not high enough is not the same as stating that a player will not be sold. When will these people start to demand some competence from this board? Will it be after the 2nd sale of an international player, or the 3rd, or the 4th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Don't see how koeman's can be compared to the waste of space that was wotte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Jim Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 To those who think this is a good post, better keep your heads in the sand because you may not like what you find when you look up. Since when was it a twilight of a player's career when he's just played his first games for England and is called up for the World Cup? Refusing a bid because it's not high enough is not the same as stating that a player will not be sold. When will these people start to demand some competence from this board? Will it be after the 2nd sale of an international player, or the 3rd, or the 4th? Tell me how the board are incompetent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoPints Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Since when was it a twilight of a player's career when he's just played his first games for England and is called up for the World Cup? Refusing a bid because it's not high enough is not the same as stating that a player will not be sold. Twilight generally means towards the end of a career. Yes, Lambert's career had taken an upturn in the last twelve months (and arguably since he signed for Saints) but I don't think there's any denying that he's in his twilight years. As for refusing a bid for a player, how is that incompetent and who said it's because the bid was too low and not because he's not for sale, at least until the new boss gets his feet under the table? Talk about hysteria. Jeez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Jim Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Since when was it a twilight of a player's career when he's just played his first games for England and is called up for the World Cup?? Realistically he's only got 2 more years left in his career. I would call that the twilight of his playing career. The only reason he's just played his first games for England is because he'd always played in the lower leagues until 2 years ago when Roy sat up and took notice of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 To those who think this is a good post, better keep your heads in the sand because you may not like what you find when you look up. Since when was it a twilight of a player's career when he's just played his first games for England and is called up for the World Cup? Refusing a bid because it's not high enough is not the same as stating that a player will not be sold. When will these people start to demand some competence from this board? Will it be after the 2nd sale of an international player, or the 3rd, or the 4th? It's got nothing to do with having heads in the sand. It's more of a recognition that there's a long way to go until August and I have no control over what happens anyway. As for international player sales, most of the people on this board (not including me) want Ramirez gone anyway so if he IS sold will that make you more or less happy? Anyway this discussion is about a potential new manager. There are plenty of other threads about the competence or otherwise of the board. Either way there's naff all I can do about from my chair, so I hope for the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 Anyone speak dutch? This is in the dutch papers today about Koeman and Saints: http://m.telegraaf.nl/telesport/article/22688170/koeman-kandidaat-bij-southampton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 Koeman candidate in Southampton Ronald Koeman does not yet know where he will coach next season .. © ANP Ronald Koeman is one of the two remaining candidates for the vacancy at Southampton head coach . The English Premier League club has a great season so far , led by Mauricio Pochettino . The Argentine coach has become the new coach of Tottenham Hotspur , where he has signed for five years. Koeman preys after his voluntary departure from Feyenoord , where he has taken on an adventure in England for three years. Maximum out of the team It's close to home and that competition is not he previously worked as a trainer or as a footballer . " In the Netherlands I see myself in the first years as a trainer be ," he said in his farewell at De Kuip . Southampton want knots in the next week heels. Although the club is not one of the largest in England, thanks to the strong seasonal entitled to almost 65 million in TV rights . That gives the club again clout in the transfer market . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 Koeman candidate in Southampton Ronald Koeman does not yet know where he will coach next season .. © ANP Ronald Koeman is one of the two remaining candidates for the vacancy at Southampton head coach . The English Premier League club has a great season so far , led by Mauricio Pochettino . The Argentine coach has become the new coach of Tottenham Hotspur , where he has signed for five years. Koeman preys after his voluntary departure from Feyenoord , where he has taken on an adventure in England for three years. Maximum out of the team It's close to home and that competition is not he previously worked as a trainer or as a footballer . " In the Netherlands I see myself in the first years as a trainer be ," he said in his farewell at De Kuip . Southampton want knots in the next week heels. Although the club is not one of the largest in England, thanks to the strong seasonal entitled to almost 65 million in TV rights . That gives the club again clout in the transfer market . Sounds promising.. no more risky than MP when he took over and more experienced.. likes to play 3-5-2 apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 Sounds promising.. no more risky than MP when he took over and more experienced.. likes to play 3-5-2 apparently Yeah, pretty attacking manager all being told. I just get the feeling it's nailed on to be him, which in the circumstances is a bit of damn good news after a crappy couple of weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 Koeman has been the odds on favourite since MP left. He's now at 6/4 with Sean Dyche 2nd fav at 5/1. Moyes is climbing though and now 3rd fav at 6/1 Still its Southampton so id still expect a surprise or disappointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 Koeman candidate in Southampton Ronald Koeman does not yet know where he will coach next season .. © ANP Ronald Koeman is one of the two remaining candidates for the vacancy at Southampton head coach . The English Premier League club has a great season so far , led by Mauricio Pochettino . The Argentine coach has become the new coach of Tottenham Hotspur , where he has signed for five years. Koeman preys after his voluntary departure from Feyenoord , where he has taken on an adventure in England for three years. Maximum out of the team It's close to home and that competition is not he previously worked as a trainer or as a footballer . " In the Netherlands I see myself in the first years as a trainer be ," he said in his farewell at De Kuip . Southampton want knots in the next week heels. Although the club is not one of the largest in England, thanks to the strong seasonal entitled to almost 65 million in TV rights . That gives the club again clout in the transfer market . So we only got 65 million in TV rights ? They could at least do their homework correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 That's right he's not Gross, going by you very own words he's a worse manager........ Gross has a 58% win percentage at Basel. Thems pretty big apples in the only stat that counts. It's not the only stat that counts, obviously. That's a reference to our returning forum hero Glasgow. Have fun dancing in the streets if Christian Gross gets appointed. Let Sky Sports News know when you do, they might want a quick vox pop with you to get an "alternative view". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddings and Monkeys Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 Koeman has been the odds on favourite since MP left. No he hasn't Glasgow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 Also, if we end up selling Lallana (god, I hope not) then we can get Adam Maher in for his replacement. Wouldn't say no to Depay either to replace Ramirez.. Could almost get both Depay and Maher for Lallana-money.....and still retain Ramirez... Cant believe I just said that though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musesaint Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 Any idea when we will know? This transparency from the Board is starting to look opaque Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 So we only got 65 million in TV rights ? They could at least do their homework correctly. Yep, it was actually 60.8. 16 m was for finishing position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under Weststand Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 Hurry up and get it done Saints, Koeman is the right fit for him & Saints. Big enough name to make the players take notice, seems to work well with the academy and will hopefully be able to attract the right players here. Would certainly start to dispel some off the gloom surrounding the club at present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 Any idea when we will know? This transparency from the Board is starting to look opaque Perhaps you could come up with an example of a club giving a running commentary of their recruitment process and then replaced a manager who walked out within 4 days. Crystal Palace took a while to appoint pulis , its all about making the right choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 Koeman? Give me strength, his agent says he's interested in joining the premier league everytime a position comes available (Fulham recently) he's managed some big names but achieved very little and will be a flop in the premiership IMO of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 Another way of looking at things is that the board is not being panicked into making an overly hasty decision. If true that potential managers have been at Staplewood, then the players will know this and hopefully be reassured that the processes are being done properly. Act in haste, repent at leisure. But....this has gone on too long for me now!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 Koeman? Give me strength, his agent says he's interested in joining the premier league everytime a position comes available (Fulham recently) he's managed some big names but achieved very little and will be a flop in the premiership IMO of course. Pochettino - no league titles, no cup wins, no finals, highest ever league finish 8th. Koeman - 3 league titles, 5 cup wins, 65 games in Europe (59 champions league) multiple cup finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 (edited) Moyes is arguably the best man for Saints in my opinion, but... You can't take Koemans record away of coaching youth, playing attacking football from midfield, bringing clubs on and managing in European competitions. My bet is firmly on Koeman as Les Reed actually appears to want to minimise risk when he appoints (he brought in MP with a proven record of taking a bottom end club to the top half and could work with youth and - unlike NA - could build the defence we needed to stay in the PL). Koeman seems to have the credentials to move us above Spurs. Look at our team. Steady in defence, very strong in midfield (if we keep Lallana) and weak in attack - we will need x2 strikers and it is rumoured he can bring the best in the Dutch league with him. If we get Koeman - forget Wotte a load of Krap and the myth of total football, this is the real deal. I'd welcome Koeman, he'd have my support. Koeman is a positive appointment. Moyes would be a positive appointment. Yakin also. The rest of the candidates are underwhelming for where we are and where we still can head with minimum player sales and reinforcement. Edited 1 June, 2014 by SaintRobbie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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