SaintRobbie Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 I can see McLaren being a shoe-in due to his connections with Reed and the England set-up. I will be seriously concerned if we appoint him or Gross. He wouldn't be bad but I can help but feel a little underwhelmed. Moyes is arguably the most dynamic choice should we put in a British manager. I've nothing against Koeman - he has a good record - but I guess a generation of us are still scarred by the Wotte Total Football rubbish. There is no doubt that Koeman is not Wotte! But the whole Dutch experience a couple of years ago left a bitter taste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 3 league titles + 5 cup wins + 65 games managing in the champions league (59) and Eufa cup (6) Thats not too bad? The only job he's "failed" at was Valencia and even then he had a similar win % as MP did here. How come you were allowed back? Did you have to make certain promises? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintoaks Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 For me Moyes is the only one person who can come in and settle the ship straight away, I think we can afford him, the issue is would he want to move south. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 For me Moyes is the only one person who can come in and settle the ship straight away, I think we can afford him, the issue is would he want to move south. We finished 8th last season and for the moment still have the 8th best squad in the league. Moyes is unlikely to get a better offer than us for a while. Cant see any top 4-5 club touching him again. He built a superb reputation at Everton over 10 years. This was all lost in 10 months at United. Still a top manager though imho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintoaks Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 We finished 8th last season and for the moment still have the 8th best squad in the league. Moyes is unlikely to get a better offer than us for a while. Cant see any top 4-5 club touching him again. He built a superb reputation at Everton over 10 years. This was all lost in 10 months at United. Still a top manager though imho Ready made back room staff with Chris Woods, Steve Round and maybe even Phil Neville Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCholulaKid Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 That's a good read on the strength of that he would be perfect for saints. Possibly. Until a look at the twitter handle reveals it's written by a 19 year old kid with no more journalistic pedigree than half the people who post on here. For attracting 'names' Koeman might be a good choice. Somebody said he's only failed at Valencia - that's bull****, his stint at Benfica, in the context of the Portuguese League can also be considered a failure. He also bombed at AZ and was sacked. He's done well with PSV and Ajax - hardly suprising given their relative strength in Holland. The bottom line is that he's a big 'name' so some people are wetting their pants about him. His record as manager is distinctly average and he is not what we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Gross third favorite 6-1 Seems Grossly overated IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Seems Grossly overated IMHO I bet that gets said at least a 144 times on here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Possibly. Until a look at the twitter handle reveals it's written by a 19 year old kid with no more journalistic pedigree than half the people who post on here. For attracting 'names' Koeman might be a good choice. Somebody said he's only failed at Valencia - that's bull****, his stint at Benfica, in the context of the Portuguese League can also be considered a failure. He also bombed at AZ and was sacked. He's done well with PSV and Ajax - hardly suprising given their relative strength in Holland. The bottom line is that he's a big 'name' so some people are wetting their pants about him. His record as manager is distinctly average and he is not what we need. Who is 'wetting themselves' over Koeman? Seems to be just good, well balanced discussion. If you're expecting a perfect manager, good luck with your wait. Who would be your first few choices for new manager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCholulaKid Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Who is 'wetting themselves' over Koeman? Seems to be just good, well balanced discussion. If you're expecting a perfect manager, good luck with your wait. Who would be your first few choices for new manager? Okay, 'wetting themselves' might be an exaggeration but....perhaps understandably people are impressed by the name Koeman when just even a small degree of scrutiny suggests a patchy managerial career at best. My first few choices...I honestly don't know. Seems like Yakin might be going elsewhere - I would be pleased with him (albeit on the basis of building one decent team at Basel). Of the ones being linked, I suppose Moyes should be a safe pair of hands and it'd be hard to be too disappointed with him - not exactly renowned for his attacking football though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Gross is being linked because of the Swiss connection. Still more likely to be Yakin if they do go that route, despite Peachy saying it's unlikely to be an non-English speaker. Many of those linked have pros and cons and one fans delight will be another's horror show. TBH most being linked could do a decent job here. One thing's for sure, we are not going to get an Ancellotti, a Pellogrini, or a Guardiola. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 I've heard a rumour Yakins move to CSKA has failed. Can anyone confirm that as I have done some research and my Russian is poor (non existent). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Mate who is a bookie said someone put 8 grand on Oscar Garcia this morning at 25/1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 I can see McLaren being a shoe-in due to his connections with Reed and the England set-up. I will be seriously concerned if we appoint him or Gross. Why ? Plays good football, doesnt mind working with Youth, good connections in the game, excellent coach and apart from Forest and England done v v well. Plus if we lose Lallana hopefully he can drag Bamford and Hughes with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 We finished 8th last season and for the moment still have the 8th best squad in the league. Moyes is unlikely to get a better offer than us for a while. Cant see any top 4-5 club touching him again. He built a superb reputation at Everton over 10 years. This was all lost in 10 months at United. Still a top manager though imho **** off glasgow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Possibly. Until a look at the twitter handle reveals it's written by a 19 year old kid with no more journalistic pedigree than half the people who post on here. For attracting 'names' Koeman might be a good choice. Somebody said he's only failed at Valencia - that's bull****, his stint at Benfica, in the context of the Portuguese League can also be considered a failure. He also bombed at AZ and was sacked. He's done well with PSV and Ajax - hardly suprising given their relative strength in Holland. The bottom line is that he's a big 'name' so some people are wetting their pants about him. His record as manager is distinctly average and he is not what we need. 19 or not he seems infinately more informed and articulate then yourself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 (edited) Mate who is a bookie said someone put 8 grand on Oscar Garcia this morning at 25/1. Garcia would be hilarious! You can still get 25/1 for Garcia with SkyBet and Ladbrokes. McClaren's odds have shortened with pretty much every bookie today. Edited 31 May, 2014 by shirleysfc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Garcia would be hilarious! You can still get 25/1 for Garcia with SkyBet and Ladbrokes. McClaren's odds have shortened with pretty much every bookie today. I don't see us going for an in-work Manager. Not sure we are cut-throat enough to take a decent Manager away from a club, unless it was at L1 or L2 type level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 I'm starting to not care who it is as long as it's done soon! Normally I'd advocate taking our time with an appointment, making the right choice etc, but this feels like one of this times where we just need someone in quick, a figurehead that can speak to the press, steady the ship and encourage the players that this is the place to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 I can see McLaren being a shoe-in due to his connections with Reed and the England set-up. I will be seriously concerned if we appoint him or Gross. Is "seriously concerned" the most passion you can muster? I agree with you entirely but would go F raving mental if the Club is stupid enough to appoint either of those two clowns here. They think the Exodus has started? Wait 'til either of those berks turn up at SMS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 It doesn't matter if we appoint a very good manager , there will be those who will find fault in any appointment . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliemiller Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Koeman is now odds on on some of the betting sites , yakin has shortened as has Lennon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 I don't see us going for an in-work Manager. Not sure we are cut-throat enough to take a decent Manager away from a club, unless it was at L1 or L2 type level. Gross or Koeman then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 (edited) Mate who is a bookie said someone put 8 grand on Oscar Garcia this morning at 25/1. Well that is clearly nonsense! As no bookie has Garcia currently at shorter odds than 14/1, with the highest being 25/1. If someone had put £8k on at 25/1 this morning they would stand to win £200k and the market across all bookmakers would quickly be suspended after odds quickly dropped. In any case, would a bookie even take a £8k bet at 25/1 for something that is down to a human decision rather than a sporting event and can easily leak? Edited 31 May, 2014 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaptopSaint Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 According to the Daily Fail we've asked Garcia if he's interested. And the Fail never lies. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2642252/Oscar-Garcia-faces-St-Marys-dilemma-Southampton-Spaniard-dreams-managing-Celtic.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Well that is clearly nonsense! As no bookie has Garcia currently at shorter odds than 14/1, with the highest being 25/1. If someone had put £8k on at 25/1 this morning they would stand to win £200k and the market across all bookmakers would quickly be suspended after odds quickly dropped. In any case, would a bookie even take a £8k bet at 25/1 for something that is down to a human decision rather than a sporting event and can easily leak? Exactly - they don't allow those size bets on their 'specials' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Why the hell would we want Garcia? What would appeal to anyone? He's utter dross, failed at Brighton and simply an unproven NPC manager. I'm still certain this is agent driven tosh, I know the board at the club leave a lot to be desired but I cannot see them being this stupid. It would just be incomprehensible. After Yakin and Koeman have simply flashed about their availability, and then we go and get Garcia instead. Yeah, don't buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 According to the Daily Fail we've asked Garcia if he's interested. And the Fail never lies. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2642252/Oscar-Garcia-faces-St-Marys-dilemma-Southampton-Spaniard-dreams-managing-Celtic.html Hmm I was completely whelmed by the appointment of Adkins. I'd think I might just rip some walls down and throw my laptop out the window if we bring in someone that even Brighton fans don't like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILLY Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 According to the Daily Fail we've asked Garcia if he's interested. And the Fail never lies. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2642252/Oscar-Garcia-faces-St-Marys-dilemma-Southampton-Spaniard-dreams-managing-Celtic.html That was two days ago mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCholulaKid Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 19 or not he seems infinately more informed and articulate then yourself So you liked his article too, then? (You might want to check your spelling before commenting on how articulate I am - bellend) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 I've heard a rumour Yakins move to CSKA has failed. Can anyone confirm that as I have done some research and my Russian is poor (non existent). I thought it was Spartak Moscow and all going through Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 (edited) Paco Jémez? http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/mar/17/rayo-vallecano-all-or-nothing-approach-sid-lowe http://soccerlens.com/can-persistence-pay-paco-jemez/118563/ http://www.beinsports.tv/soccer/article/acgxockvx9w41nv58dtb0h6lo/title/paco-jemez-keeping-rayo-vallecano-interesting-if-not-successful Edited 31 May, 2014 by Saint Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Paco Jémez? http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/mar/17/rayo-vallecano-all-or-nothing-approach-sid-lowe http://soccerlens.com/can-persistence-pay-paco-jemez/118563/ http://www.beinsports.tv/soccer/article/acgxockvx9w41nv58dtb0h6lo/title/paco-jemez-keeping-rayo-vallecano-interesting-if-not-successful Sounds or reads good. Would continue with our possession football philosophy. just a little wary of the I never change things attitude - no plan b ( whatever that means). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under Weststand Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Paco Jémez? http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/mar/17/rayo-vallecano-all-or-nothing-approach-sid-lowe http://soccerlens.com/can-persistence-pay-paco-jemez/118563/ http://www.beinsports.tv/soccer/article/acgxockvx9w41nv58dtb0h6lo/title/paco-jemez-keeping-rayo-vallecano-interesting-if-not-successful That was a good find, he looks interesting. Sounds like he would suit our style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Paco Jémez? http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/mar/17/rayo-vallecano-all-or-nothing-approach-sid-lowe Well, if he can get Iago Falque to pass top one of his own team, then he's one hell of a coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Jim Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 I apologise for being the only person in the history of the forum for having an instinctive gut reaction response to a potential recruit to Southampton Football Club. Luckily there are lots of other scholars here prepared to discuss the intricacies of rhe Swiss League with you. Have fun. To be fair to Gross his record is good and is even better that Yakin's at the same club and yoi were keen on Yakin. Yakin: 56% win percentage in his last job at Basel. Thems pretty big apples in the only stat that counts. And dapper looking chap too, he does the swarthy, smouldering look better than Poch. Basically, all ends up, it has to be Yakin. Saints legend in the making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 I'm worried that by the time we get around to drawing up a short list all the best candidates will have committed to other clubs. Surely by the time Pochittino quit serious candidates should have been decided on, called to see if they were interested and interviewed. It is said Murat Yakin is off to Spartak Moscow but he's not signed yet. No good waiting, we need to make him an alternative offer he can't refuse. He's been offered a 2 year deal, we can easily offer him longer. Same goes to other candidates, in that we should be checking out already if they're interested and call them in for an interview. The one person at the root of all the offers for our players has to be Roy Hodgson, who will be wanting as many as possible of his England players playing together regularly. We must appoint someone as manager as soon as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Its not Hodgson, Sky, Cortese or the Daily Mail who is making our players leave, its the players themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Its not Hodgson, Sky, Cortese or the Daily Mail who is making our players leave, its the players themselves. I thought it was the board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Well that is clearly nonsense! As no bookie has Garcia currently at shorter odds than 14/1, with the highest being 25/1. If someone had put £8k on at 25/1 this morning they would stand to win £200k and the market across all bookmakers would quickly be suspended after odds quickly dropped. In any case, would a bookie even take a £8k bet at 25/1 for something that is down to a human decision rather than a sporting event and can easily leak?, when Burley was close to being appointed Scotland manager, we weren't allowed to put on more £50 I think! No way a bookie takes £8000 on a market where there always insider knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARCELONASAINT Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 The blame culture is really true and alive on this forum......it must be the Dons fault, it must be Poch's fault, it must be the new boards fault......ffs grow up! Before our fantastic last season would Liverpool have been interested in Lambert, Lallana and Lovren.....of bloody course not and these players would probably have been going nowhere had it not been for the past season. Ricky has earned his right to his move and so has Adam who stayed with us through thick and thin. If Lovren goes its because he has had an excellent season, his value has increased and he gets Champions league football......please don't anyone tell me these players would have happily stayed. In many ways we are a victim of our success and all our board can do is get what they feel is the best prices for players wanting to go and invest that money wisely......instead of being so negative why don't some of you look on this as a knew and hopefully exciting era.....believe me you might actually have a nice weekend instead of raising your blood levels!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 If a contract doesn't mean that a player/manager stays to the end of it then what is the point in having a contract in the first place if they can leave whenever they want ? Time to play hard ball imo ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Will no doubt end up with a grateful "Yes Man" in the Garcia mould who will sign up to whatever conditions to be able to get a chance in the PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 The blame culture is really true and alive on this forum......it must be the Dons fault, it must be Poch's fault, it must be the new boards fault......ffs grow up! Before our fantastic last season would Liverpool have been interested in Lambert, Lallana and Lovren.....of bloody course not and these players would probably have been going nowhere had it not been for the past season. Ricky has earned his right to his move and so has Adam who stayed with us through thick and thin. If Lovren goes its because he has had an excellent season, his value has increased and he gets Champions league football......please don't anyone tell me these players would have happily stayed. In many ways we are a victim of our success and all our board can do is get what they feel is the best prices for players wanting to go and invest that money wisely......instead of being so negative why don't some of you look on this as a knew and hopefully exciting era.....believe me you might actually have a nice weekend instead of raising your blood levels!! My thoughts exactly. Instead of constant criticism of the board why don't people start looking at the players. Its not like they're being sold against their will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Will no doubt end up with a grateful "Yes Man" in the Garcia mould who will sign up to whatever conditions to be able to get a chance in the PL. Like Poch under Levy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Thoughts on Hoddle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Thoughts on Hoddle? Hell no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meathead Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Have a friend who works at Southampton airport, says a Mr Koeman has just arrived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Well, if he can get Iago Falque to pass top one of his own team, then he's one hell of a coach. ..but does he speak English? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Have a friend who works at Southampton airport, says a Mr Koeman has just arrived. Oh please let this happen, and soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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