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ibizasaint

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My mate's take on one of the current favourites:

 

Sounds like a cheap brand of yoghurt you may find in the back of the fridge in your local corner shop. “Sorry, darling. They didn’t have any Muller Fruit Corners so I got you some Murat Yakin.”

 

 

Thank you...that made me laugh.....

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shurlock

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I am amazed at the mass hysteria on here about Yakin. He may well be a good manager, and if he is appointed I won't complain ,but really, what are you all basing this enthusiasm on? He has done well so far in a very short managerial career in Switzerland ...... ....that's Switzerland for goodness sake. Is their league even up to Scottish standards?.... and yes his team once beat Chelsea.

 

I'd be happy enough with any of the *big* foreign names mentioned , but to be honest I'd really prefer a British manager ....someone who shares our cultural standards, or at least understands them. To read people on here slagging off the likes of McLaren, who was once rated as the best young manager in England, or Moyes ... once considered good enough to become Man united's manager ... beggars belief. No one is completely flawless, or let's face it, they wouldn't be available for us.

 

Agree his bread and butter has been the Swiss leagues; but his exploits in Europe have been nothing short of excellent. Still remember the first leg of the Europa Cup quarter finals at White Hart Lane - they thoroughly outplayed and outclassed Spurs that were lucky to bundle in a scrappy set-piece and score from a deflection. Remember thinking at the time that if we played like them, I would be delighted. AVB admitted that they were the best team he'd seen at WHL.

 

Compare him with another poster boy -Frank De Boer who's done well with Ajax domestically, a league that's not much better than Switzerland but done abysmally in Europe.

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Ken Tone

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Laudrup or McClaren would be my choices from that list

 

I'd have been happy with Laudrup till I read the stuff about his departure from Swansea.

 

McLaren would suit me, but perversely if he did come to us, I'd be worried about his willingness to leave Derby so soon. What price loyalty then?

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I'd have been happy with Laudrup till I read the stuff about his departure from Swansea.

 

McLaren would suit me, but perversely if he did come to us, I'd be worried about his willingness to leave Derby so soon. What price loyalty then?

 

you make out loyalty exists in football. I think it would be better that you stop that

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Window Cleaner

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Laudrup who has 20 months as his longest stint across his last 4 clubs? No thanks.

 

Yakin for me.

 

 

You reject Laudrup on the basis that he doesn't hang around long anywhere and then select a bloke with a very similar penchant for change. We'd be his 6th club in 8 years as a coach/assistant coach. Why did he pull the plug on Bâle then, oh yes he'd taken them as far as he could, presumably the same at Thoune and Lucerne. People are just touting names they know very little about. Beat Chelsea a couplee of times, Lennon beat Barca, does that make him a desirable candidate though ?

Before going too far down the Yakin road (which might be good) you really need to know why he quit on Bâle, I thought it was to go to Lazio, perhaps not.

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You reject Laudrup on the basis that he doesn't hang around long anywhere and then select a bloke with a very similar penchant for change. We'd be his 6th club in 8 years as a coach/assistant coach. Why did he pull the plug on Bâle then, oh yes he'd taken them as far as he could, presumably the same at Thoune and Lucerne. People are just touting names they know very little about. Beat Chelsea a couplee of times, Lennon beat Barca, does that make him a desirable candidate though ?

Before going too far down the Yakin road (which might be good) you really need to know why he quit on Bâle, I thought it was to go to Lazio, perhaps not.

 

Laudrup was fired for underperforming. Yakin has resigned after doing very well earning plenty of plaudits, not sure you can blame him for wanting to move out of the Swiss league. Some of his prior moves were as youth coach, then assistant coach, as you say. Style of play is the big plus, nothing like Lennon

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You reject Laudrup on the basis that he doesn't hang around long anywhere and then select a bloke with a very similar penchant for change. We'd be his 6th club in 8 years as a coach/assistant coach. Why did he pull the plug on Bâle then, oh yes he'd taken them as far as he could, presumably the same at Thoune and Lucerne. People are just touting names they know very little about. Beat Chelsea a couplee of times, Lennon beat Barca, does that make him a desirable candidate though ?

Before going too far down the Yakin road (which might be good) you really need to know why he quit on Bâle, I thought it was to go to Lazio, perhaps not.

 

 

Lack of discipline in training, dressing room cliques, fights between players, boozy training camps abroad, refusing to take training in the rain - just some of the allegations made against Laudrup and his management.

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LainPain

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you make out loyalty exists in football. I think it would be better that you stop that

 

Indeed, and we have to be realistic. IMO, we should be looking for someone who is likely to hang around for two years and progress the club rather then the next Ted Bates. Managers simply don't stay in jobs that long anymore and tbh, why would they when there a opportunities at the big clubs. This idea of blind loyalty would seem completely bizarre outside of football.

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Convict Colony

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Laudrup who has 20 months as his longest stint across his last 4 clubs? No thanks.

 

Yakin for me.

 

Yakin every single day 10 times out of 10 from that list in the mirror.

 

Young, hungry, worked with hardly any budget and developed players who were then sold (sound familar) and knows how to play the big teams having beaten chelsea twice, drawn with Spurs and beaten Zenit in european cup competitions over the last 2 years.

 

Also for the headlines when he is signed and leaves.

 

Yak-IN

 

Yak-OUT

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Lack of discipline in training, dressing room cliques, fights between players, boozy training camps abroad, refusing to take training in the rain - just some of the allegations made against Laudrup and his management.

I have absolutely no idea why so many are keen on Laudrup after his exit from Swansea and the reasons for it. Pretty much anybody but Laudrup for me.

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shurlock

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Yakin every single day 10 times out of 10 from that list in the mirror.

 

Young, hungry, worked with hardly any budget and developed players who were then sold (sound familar) and knows how to play the big teams having beaten chelsea twice, drawn with Spurs and beaten Zenit in european cup competitions over the last 2 years.

 

Also for the headlines when he is signed and leaves.

 

Yak-IN

 

Yak-OUT

 

Question is how much was success due to him or having the luck to ride the wave of a very good side - remember Basel beat Man U in the CL the year before he took over.

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Question is how much was success due to him or having the luck to ride the wave of a very good side - remember Basel beat Man U in the CL the year before he took over.

 

Could ask the same about MP? The side we have is still largely Adkins team

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Could ask the same about MP? The side we have is still largely Adkins team

 

Difference Glasgow is that while MP inherited some excellent players, he improved them or, at least, they reached their potential under him. Perhaps they too would have improved under NA with more prem experience but nowhere to the same extent IMO.

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Is Yakin a whole lot different from Neil Lennon?

 

Both have done well in a crap league, both have had decent one off results against top European teams.

 

Yet Lennon would be a disaster and Yakin amazing?

 

People love a bandwaggon.

 

Not sure about bandwagon? Some are looking for continuity and a promising young manager to fill the void. Yakin ticks both boxes.

Similarities in terms of honors, but the style of football is what attracts me to Yakin, Lennon's style of play doesn’t.

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Convict Colony

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Question is how much was success due to him or having the luck to ride the wave of a very good side - remember Basel beat Man U in the CL the year before he took over.

 

Vogel the previous boss had lead them to the super cup in Switzerland but the first 2 months they were 4th in the league when he got sacked. Yakin was given the role having led Lucerne to 2nd place in the league the previous season, Yakin then led them to the double double over the next 2 years while players were being sold under him and had them playing a clear structured playing style which someone else noted involved the front 3 revolving during their games.

 

He left at the end of season having given them notice as he wanted a bigger challenge outside of Switzerland, he has been linked with Lazio, Sampodoria and Us amongst others.

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KingdomCome

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Is it just me that sees the next Saints manager position as a poisoned challice?

 

We're right at the peak of a very successful period in our history. Any further progression is likely to be minimal at best. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, I would hate to become an overly bank-rolled plaything (obviously we have been well financed since Markus saved us, but nothing too extravagant). I very much doubt this would happen any way.

 

What that means however (imho) is that the best outcome the new manager can hope for is treading water, perhaps getting further towards a cup. That doesn't sound like a particularly appetising prospect to me. I fear we might be in for a bitter disappointment in our new man.

 

Having said that, Yakin for me. Maybe De Boer if only to p!ss off the spuds.

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Window Cleaner

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Another plus of getting Yakin is that we would have a very good chance of picking up Salah when Chelsea loan him out next season.

 

 

Salah is an egyptian, work permits are sometimes difficult when those needing them are loaned to other clubs, not impossible but it's a bit of a process. As far as I know WPs aren't transferable, the specific club holds them for specific players. That was the case with Traoré, when he was going to West ham on loan they had to get a permit, he didn't have the necessary qualifications so it was a tribunal that decided. When he eventually went to Everton they had to apply all over again. Now when a club has obtained a permit on the basis of exceptional quality the tribunal takes a dim view of him being loaned out a few months afterwards. Thet's why so many are loaned out to countries where WPs aren't required.

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Turkish

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I think Mourinho rates Salah and will use him more next year. Good player and more naturally right sided than many of their attackers. He said he won't sign loads of players so imagine most their business will be strikers and a luiz replacement.

 

He doesn't need to, they've got something like 20 odd players out on loan, very good ones too. Anyway just saying, should we get him as manager and should Chelsea want to loan him out then we'd surely have a good chance of getting him, which would be a good thing as he's quality. Two hypotheical scenarios.

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GarrettIvo

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Honestly I would take any of Yakin, Laudrop, De Boer or Moyes.

 

I know Moyes would be the least preferred among most, but honestly I would settle for a few years of dull consistency. His record at Everton was pretty solid, albeit with a bigger budget. Yes he had a sh*t season at Old Trafford, but they were bound to drop sharply this season anyway I would argue.

Still be more than happy with any of the other three.

I wouldn't want another English manager right now though.

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Can't see De Boer coming here.

 

Yakin guy sounds interesting though know little about him and I have Cristian Gross alarm bells ringing in my ears.

 

Lennon is a big no, I'd be pretty confident I could win the Scottish League with Celtic, especially no Rangers. He needs to go prove himself at a Championship club.

 

McLaren would be ok, he's certainly rebuilt his reputation but that appointment would be a bit 'meh'.

 

As for Laudrup the rumours put me off, especially with our highly professional hard working squad.

 

I also hope Mackay isn't being considered.

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Red And White Barmy Army

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Nobody is mentioning Clement. Ancelotti's number two, impressive CV. Is the feeling that he needs to prove himself at a smaller club first? Don't know much about his philosophy etc, but doubt it's far attached from Carlo's.

 

One thing is for certain - we will appoint a manager who can maximise the academy resources we have. The academy play 4-3-3 (or variations of) in every age group which is the philosophy directed by Les Reed (and Cortese) and the reason for changing Adkins in the first place. This rules out quite a few names like Lennon, Sherwood, Moyes. It rules in the likes of Yakin (who has an extremely impressive playing style for anyone that's watched them), Laudrup (although his dismissal at Swansea will virtually guarantee being below Yakin in the pecking order), Koeman, de Boer (although probably thinks he can move to bigger teams than us) & Benitez (doubt he would leave Napoli at this time unless it was for a top top club).

 

I think the majority of names on the list would attract interest from teams in the bottom 10 but would show a lack of ambition for an 8th placed EPL team looking to move forward. The bottom line is, to move forward we either need better players than we currently have (unlikely) or we need a better manager than Pochettino.

 

Also remember that Poyet absolutely loathes Southampton - his league victory over us at the Stadium of Light consisted of a half-time rant about why he detested Southampton so much from his time at Brighton! Seems to be a man with a chip on his shoulder.

 

I'll throw McClaren into the mix as well though for being a very intelligent coach who could fit the long-term vision of this club and impress the directors. I'm sure him and Les Reed must sing off a similar hymn sheet. He is the only candidate I believe could fit the philosophy and also be a good long-term option for the club.

 

My preferred (realistic) choices: 1) McClaren; 2) Yakin; 3) Koeman; 4) Clement

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No offer has been made to Yakin so far and the Swiss press seem surprised that he is favourites ahead of 'illustrious' names like McClaren and Moyes. Some of the commenters mention that even if Southampton have a sell out this summer there will still be plenty for Yakin to work with and reckon he would be a good fit. They also seem to really like Krueger!

http://www.blick.ch/sport/fussball/international/premierleague/muri-favorit-bei-southampton-englische-buchmacher-haben-yakin-auf-der-liste-id2879083.html

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Golac's Cunning Stunts

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Nobody is mentioning Clement. Ancelotti's number two, impressive CV. Is the feeling that he needs to prove himself at a smaller club first? Don't know much about his philosophy etc, but doubt it's far attached from Carlo's.

 

One thing is for certain - we will appoint a manager who can maximise the academy resources we have. The academy play 4-3-3 (or variations of) in every age group which is the philosophy directed by Les Reed (and Cortese) and the reason for changing Adkins in the first place. This rules out quite a few names like Lennon, Sherwood, Moyes. It rules in the likes of Yakin (who has an extremely impressive playing style for anyone that's watched them), Laudrup (although his dismissal at Swansea will virtually guarantee being below Yakin in the pecking order), Koeman, de Boer (although probably thinks he can move to bigger teams than us) & Benitez (doubt he would leave Napoli at this time unless it was for a top top club).

 

I think the majority of names on the list would attract interest from teams in the bottom 10 but would show a lack of ambition for an 8th placed EPL team looking to move forward. The bottom line is, to move forward we either need better players than we currently have (unlikely) or we need a better manager than Pochettino.

 

Also remember that Poyet absolutely loathes Southampton - his league victory over us at the Stadium of Light consisted of a half-time rant about why he detested Southampton so much from his time at Brighton! Seems to be a man with a chip on his shoulder.

 

I'll throw McClaren into the mix as well though for being a very intelligent coach who could fit the long-term vision of this club and impress the directors. I'm sure him and Les Reed must sing off a similar hymn sheet. He is the only candidate I believe could fit the philosophy and also be a good long-term option for the club.

 

My preferred (realistic) choices: 1) McClaren; 2) Yakin; 3) Koeman; 4) Clement

 

This was an excellent summary until you then used it to make a case for the umbrella man. Crazy.

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No offer has been made to Yakin so far and the Swiss press seem surprised that he is favourites ahead of 'illustrious' names like McClaren and Moyes. Some of the commenters mention that even if Southampton have a sell out this summer there will still be plenty for Yakin to work with and reckon he would be a good fit. They also seem to really like Krueger!

http://www.blick.ch/sport/fussball/international/premierleague/muri-favorit-bei-southampton-englische-buchmacher-haben-yakin-auf-der-liste-id2879083.html

 

Writing "When I saw Raplh Krueger as Chairman, I could not help but smile" in the comments does not really constitute that they seem to really like Krueger now does it?

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I'm not seeing any mention of the Chile manager, Jorge Sampaoli. They play fast pace fluid football would be a good fit for us. Would also have contacts to players in south America that none of us have heard of......thoughts?

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Nobody is mentioning Clement. Ancelotti's number two, impressive CV. Is the feeling that he needs to prove himself at a smaller club first? Don't know much about his philosophy etc, but doubt it's far attached from Carlo's.

 

One thing is for certain - we will appoint a manager who can maximise the academy resources we have. The academy play 4-3-3 (or variations of) in every age group which is the philosophy directed by Les Reed (and Cortese) and the reason for changing Adkins in the first place. This rules out quite a few names like Lennon, Sherwood, Moyes. It rules in the likes of Yakin (who has an extremely impressive playing style for anyone that's watched them), Laudrup (although his dismissal at Swansea will virtually guarantee being below Yakin in the pecking order), Koeman, de Boer (although probably thinks he can move to bigger teams than us) & Benitez (doubt he would leave Napoli at this time unless it was for a top top club).

 

I think the majority of names on the list would attract interest from teams in the bottom 10 but would show a lack of ambition for an 8th placed EPL team looking to move forward. The bottom line is, to move forward we either need better players than we currently have (unlikely) or we need a better manager than Pochettino.

 

Also remember that Poyet absolutely loathes Southampton - his league victory over us at the Stadium of Light consisted of a half-time rant about why he detested Southampton so much from his time at Brighton! Seems to be a man with a chip on his shoulder.

 

I'll throw McClaren into the mix as well though for being a very intelligent coach who could fit the long-term vision of this club and impress the directors. I'm sure him and Les Reed must sing off a similar hymn sheet. He is the only candidate I believe could fit the philosophy and also be a good long-term option for the club.

 

My preferred (realistic) choices: 1) McClaren; 2) Yakin; 3) Koeman; 4) Clement

 

clement has already said he is not interested in managing anyone yet.

he is enjoying being part of real madrid and very much cant wait to get his teeth into winning the league, trying to defend the CL and try to win the world club cup. it is too soon (so he says) in managing his own top flight side

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corky morris

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I can think of many reasons why it shouldn't be David Moyes, but for me I think I would go for him if I couldn't get Rosler.

I think Moyes would stay & build a team. A team that has to sell its best. Shaw will leave. Maybe not this year, but he will go.

Let's accept the reality that is Saints.

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angelman

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My preference at the moment:

 

1) Benitez

2) Moyes

3) De Boer

4) Koeman

5) AVB

6) Adkins

 

Odds on me being disappointed? 1/3

 

 

While being disappointed, why not add Zidane to your list? Would love to take the risk with him. He says he wants to learn his trade before taking over at Real, so why not here.

 

Off for a lie down.

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I'm not seeing any mention of the Chile manager, Jorge Sampaoli. They play fast pace fluid football would be a good fit for us. Would also have contacts to players in south America that none of us have heard of......thoughts?

 

I will claim a gold star if we get Sampaoli as I have been championing him (below) for a long time since the Adkins thread Nov 2012, I would also add I can't find 100% confirmation that Biesla has signed on the dotted line for Marseille, just "agreement in principle"

 

Thanks I need to ge my arse into gear and purchase full membership so I can post more as my pay-pal was playing up last time, agree with regards to Athletic being a big club but I think the relationship is not good with the president as he threatened to walk out around July time if I remember rightly.

 

Other guys to consider would be Jorge Sampoli - http://backpagefootball.com/jorge-sampaoli-footballing-progressive/44122/

 

He took Universidad de Chile to the South American equivalent of the Europa cup and some how only conceded 2 goals in the comp and had the leading scorer in the comp.

That victory is probably the biggest win in chilean club football from what I understand as my Chilean mate was going nuts about them.

The guy is a preparation machine.

 

Other one who has gone off the radar could be Frank Rijkaard whose currently head coach for Saudi Arabia.

 

Rumours are that he is being lined up for AC Milan if they sack their guy, but he would be excellent given his pedigree with Ajax/Barca and has worked under our structure successfully.

He has the right mentality for English football, has a massive name so can attract players and lives/breathes 4-3-3.

 

AC Milan Link:http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1201042/frank-rijkaard-'being-lined-up-for-ac-milan-job'?cc=3888

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