saint_ed Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 Regarding the potential appointment of Koeman, I'm erring on the side of 'positive caution' for want of a better term. He has a certain stature that we undoubtedly require to steady the ship however his track record outside of Holland is questionable to say the least. If he is to be the new manager, I thank my lucky stars we haven't opted for the likes of Garcia, Dyche, Mackay or Lennon. Feyenoord also have one or two quality players who could certainly do well in the Premier League.
ratio_decidendi Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 adriansfc said: To clarify, 5 years ago in league 1 I said at no point would you ever be happy with anything at saints, and now you are unhappy about the prospect of Ronald Koeman? World class footballer and experienced manager Ronald Koeman, when on other threads you are claiming liquidation and yes men and cheap options. So again to make it very clear to everyone, you are unhappy with Ronald Koeman? "Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”
supersonic Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 thorpie the sinner said: Do you have a source in club then? Yes
Batman Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 should start the Koeman to Spurs rumour thread. give it two years and they will be sniffing round
H Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 alpine_saint said: I'm not Dutch. Aren't they supposed to be quite laid back as a race ...
Goodfella Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 Just in the process of turning the pitch into an ice rink Raging Bull said: Hi Ralph how's things?
norwaysaint Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 Colinjb said: No problem with you sticking around, but why did you post in argument to yourself? How can you possibly explain that? Skirting this is not going to do you any good. Unless you can explain this you have no credibility i'm afraid. How odd... So who is saintrichmond really then? Clearly either schizophrenia or multi log-in **** up at play there.
Viking Warrior Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 SaintRichmond equals the forums equivilent to RK
thorpie the sinner Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 Koeman now 4-9 in places! Used to work for Corals so know how it all works, just saying, seems to be getting closer!
Trader Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 norwaysaint said: How odd... So who is saintrichmond really then? Clearly either schizophrenia or multi log-in **** up at play there. He's a cvnt.
Convict Colony Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 Have jumped the gun and claimed this photo for my avi.
solentstars Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 adriansfc said: Seen plenty go to those odds and not get appointed, but it's a good sign! If Koeman had been appointed immediately after MP left, I'd have been 60% positive, 40% doubting his record and time spent at clubs. With with all the sale rumours, the mass hysteria on here, the over the top asset stripping/liquidation garbage, the frankly disgusting turning on the Liebherr family etc., I'll be delighted that a high calibre manager is coming in and the club clearly still has ambition. Whether it works out will come down to managerial decisions, talent, players and luck, but I'm fine with that. Wonder if Meulensteen wants a job. Being dutch they obviously know each other right?! Great coach and good Prem experience with Utd and Fulham, be a very useful no. 2 if his Feyenoord assistant can't come along. totally agree m po did a good job whilehe was here and fans need to deal with reality whoever is our next manager will only spend a few years at the club that is modern football .
SNSUN Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 So the club announced today that no more transfers will be decided until we have a new manager in place. If that's to be believed, do you think the club will drag out the managerial appointment so we don't get any outs before the World Cup? Or is that wishful thinking?
Window Cleaner Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 (edited) SNSUN said: So the club announced today that no more transfers will be decided until we have a new manager in place. If that's to be believed, do you think the club will drag out the managerial appointment so we don't get any outs before the World Cup? Or is that wishful thinking? No I don't think they'll do that, no point heaping all the world's ills upon them. They're doing what they can, whether they have the necessary competences to do it well remains to be seen. Personally I really don't fancy Koeman because I've no respect whatsoever for the Dutch league and his two forays outside it have been dubious to say the least, still the majority seem to be willing to welcome him so we'll see. Edited 2 June, 2014 by Window Cleaner
shurlock Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 Window Cleaner said: No I don't think they'll do that, no point heaping all the world's ills upon them. They're doing what they can, whether they have the necessary competences to do it well remains to be seen. Personally I really don't fancy Koeman because I've no respect whatsover for the Dutch league and his two forays outside it have been dubious to say the least, still the majority seem to be willing to welcome him so we'll see. In his defense, the Valencia job was a viper's nest that definitely mitigated his failure. Still, I share your concerns - think people (of a certain age) are falling for the player rather than the manager.
St Jim Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 Colinjb said: Dude, you've just quoted yourself..... what a plank!
capitalsaint Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 capitalsaint said: poor richmond, i feel sorry for him. why?? he posts inflammatory nonsense!
Convict Colony Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 (edited) shurlock said: In his defense, the Valencia job was a viper's nest that definitely mitigated his failure. Still, I share your concerns - think people (of a certain age) are falling for the player rather than the manager. Yeah get what you mean but I think when we compare what Mopo was doing before we signed him if we sign Koeman we should believe in the guys who have scouted him and his system to fit within our approach. More importantly i think it is Koeman purely as he is a RK as well so Canadian RK would love him. If Gaston leaves hopefully Dutch RK looks to recruit Piazon via Chelsea who had a great season in the dutch league this season. Edited 2 June, 2014 by Convict Colony meant season not week
Dan Johnson Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 The following Dutch Players played under Koeman at Feyenoord & are in the 23 for the world cup. Which means if he is the manager we will be linked with all 5!! Stefan de Vrij - CB Bruno Martins Indi - CB & LB Daryl Janmaat - Right Back Terence Kongolo - CB Jordy Clasie - Midfielder
Fowllyd Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 capitalsaint said: poor richmond, i feel sorry for him. capitalsaint said: why?? he posts inflammatory nonsense!
ToreSF Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 shurlock said: In his defense, the Valencia job was a viper's nest that definitely mitigated his failure. Still, I share your concerns - think people (of a certain age) are falling for the player rather than the manager. Don't want Koeman. His man management at Valencia was really dreadful. Got all the players against him pretty quick. Even Joaquin, who never says something negative spoke about him in very bad terms.
Wade Garrett Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 He's now odds-on with all the bookies. Everyone else's odds are drifting. Can't see them all being wrong.
Bobbyboy Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 ToreSF said: Don't want Koeman. His man management at Valencia was really dreadful. Got all the players against him pretty quick. Even Joaquin, who never says something negative spoke about him in very bad terms. Don't worry, he won't have time to turn everyone against him, he'll be at Tottenham come January after MoPo is sacked.
washsaint Posted 2 June, 2014 Author Posted 2 June, 2014 ToreSF....what just like he has at feyenoord (oh, hang on that didn't happen). Valencia was 6 years ago and they were in turmoil anyway. Just like MP being sacked by Espanyol before getting the saints job..... Koeman fills me with more confidence than David Moyes. Anyone who gets the job will have my full support
kpturner Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 norwaysaint said: How odd... So who is saintrichmond really then? Clearly either schizophrenia or multi log-in **** up at play there. It is very easy to argue with yourself on here.
kpturner Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 kpturner said: It is very easy to argue with yourself on here.No it's not!
Window Cleaner Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 Dan Johnson said: The following Dutch Players played under Koeman at Feyenoord & are in the 23 for the world cup. Which means if he is the manager we will be linked with all 5!! Stefan de Vrij - CB Bruno Martins Indi - CB & LB Daryl Janmaat - Right Back Terence Kongolo - CB Jordy Clasie - Midfielder Well i don't know about the others but i wouldn't recommend Clasie, remember him from France-Holland back in March, he was absolutely flipping atrocious, totally clueless against good players like Pogba and Cabaye. Perhaps he just had an off day though...a very off day.
the saint in winchester Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 Convict Colony said: More importantly i think it is Koeman purely as he is a RK as well so Canadian RK would love him. Glad someone else has noticed this is getting very confusing with 2 RK's being spoken about.
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 Say Koeman did join and the squad remained intact. How would we slot our players into his reported 3-5-2 formation? Would certainly be very different than what we're familiar with seeing. Would be excited to see Clyne / Chambers / Shaw as wing-backs with less defensive responsibility. Not sure how the other players fit in though.
EBS1980 Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 Dan Johnson said: The following Dutch Players played under Koeman at Feyenoord & are in the 23 for the world cup. Which means if he is the manager we will be linked with all 5!! Stefan de Vrij - CB Bruno Martins Indi - CB & LB Daryl Janmaat - Right Back Terence Kongolo - CB Jordy Clasie - Midfielder Interesting how when MoPo left we didn't like the fact the press were linking our players to follow him to Spurs. But the first thing we expect when we appoint a new manager is what players from his old club can he bring with him!
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 The trouble with Koeman is that if he enjoys any success with us then he will simply join another 'bigger' club.
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 Window Cleaner said: Well i don't know about the others but i wouldn't recommend Clasie, remember him from France-Holland back in March, he was absolutely flipping atrocious, totally clueless against good players like Pogba and Cabaye. Perhaps he just had an off day though...a very off day. There's a fair bit of hype around Clasie. Serious talk of him following van Gaal to united. Hard to judge on one game, the one time I saw him he had a good game, and played a blinding pass to set up RvP for a cracking goal. Let's hope if we were to sign him, the scouts will have watched more than one game.
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 Sergei Gotsmanov said: The trouble with Koeman is that if he enjoys any success with us then he will simply join another 'bigger' club. That's probably the same as any manager/player, isn't it? Shall we just sign rubbish, that way no one will ever want to sign anyone from us, and no one will ever leave!
Window Cleaner Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 KelvinsRightGlove said: There's a fair bit of hype around Clasie. Serious talk of him following van Gaal to united. Hard to judge on one game, the one time I saw him he had a good game, and played a blinding pass to set up RvP for a cracking goal. Let's hope if we were to sign him, the scouts will have watched more than one game. Let Utd have him, we owe them a favour.
Evil Monkey Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 Boruc Chambers Lovren fonte Clynne. Shaw Mogs vic Lallana Osvaldo. Jrod
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 Window Cleaner said: Let Utd have him, we owe them a favour. You know what this place would be like, WE SHOULD HAVE SIGNED HIM I'm not too fussed, as I said I saw him once and he had a good game and made a very good goal. My point was I just hope whoever is in charge of transfers looks at players over more than one game.
Bearsy Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 KelvinsRightGlove said: That's probably the same as any manager/player, isn't it? Shall we just sign rubbish, that way no one will ever want to sign anyone from us, and no one will ever leave! oh i dunno, if koeman does well big clubs will be falling over themselves to take him off us cos omg it's koeman!!! If it was someone unfashionable doing well, i.e like god bless him dear old speccy geek nigel adkins, Barcelona would prob hold their horses for a bit longer before wading in.
Batman Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 Koeman scored the winner in a European Cup final.. some big names played that day wt Wembley. Remember watching it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_European_Cup_Final
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 Bearsy said: oh i dunno, if koeman does well big clubs will be falling over themselves to take him off us cos omg it's koeman!!! If it was someone unfashionable doing well, i.e like god bless him dear old speccy geek nigel adkins, Barcelona would prob hold their horses for a bit longer before wading in. Poch wasn't exactly a household name super star over here until he got the job at Saints. Took how long for a 'bigger' club to come in for him here?
DuncanRG Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 Dan Johnson said: The following Dutch Players played under Koeman at Feyenoord & are in the 23 for the world cup. Which means if he is the manager we will be linked with all 5!! Stefan de Vrij - CB Bruno Martins Indi - CB & LB Daryl Janmaat - Right Back Terence Kongolo - CB Jordy Clasie - Midfielder Sadly Holland aren't known for their strong defences. De Vrij is hot property but I expect he'll be off somewhere bigger.
DT Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 DuncanRG said: Sadly Holland aren't known for their strong defences. De Vrij is hot property but I expect he'll be off somewhere bigger. Frank Rijkaard wasn't bad...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 KelvinsRightGlove said: That's probably the same as any manager/player, isn't it? Shall we just sign rubbish, that way no one will ever want to sign anyone from us, and no one will ever leave! If you opt for somebody like Moyes it is unlikely that he will move again without serious consideration.
DuncanRG Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 DT said: Frank Rijkaard wasn't bad... Nor Van Bronkhorst, but their last few tournament squads haven't been up to much defensively. Ron Vlaar was their captain until recently! It doesn't mean those players are undesirable, just that 'Dutch international' isn't a guarantee of quality in the way a Spanish or Brazilian international would be.
Window Cleaner Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 DuncanRG said: Nor Van Bronkhorst, but their last few tournament squads haven't been up to much defensively. Ron Vlaar was their captain until recently! It doesn't mean those players are undesirable, just that 'Dutch international' isn't a guarantee of quality in the way a Spanish or Brazilian international would be. they did make the final of the WC last time though, there are still a few ageing remnants from that side going into this one. Played awful football in the final though.
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 2 June, 2014 Posted 2 June, 2014 Sergei Gotsmanov said: If you opt for somebody like Moyes it is unlikely that he will move again without serious consideration. Still left when the big offer came in though. He may have had some offers before, but I can't think of many. If someone is a success, it'll turn heads. Sadly, that's just how it goes. I'd rather get someone who comes in and does a good job, and attracts attention and possibly leaves, as opposed to some one that comes in, does an average job and stays for yonks being average because no one else wants them. Unless Saints (or any other team just below the established 'top 7' clubs) crack through to 'the next level', this is probably what will always happen. Sadly.
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