Convict Colony Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 Hope Ralph is doing his homework as he has big meetings to begin from Monday to take the players and MoPo through the next 5yr plan. Cortese did an excellent job selling the players the previous one so lets hope Ralph's one is even better. Keep Adam, let Luke's agent get his way for 30mill + 10% and build a better team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 If you read the Saints story in the Sun, you'll see that the last few paragraphs are blowing so much smoke up Cortese's arse it doesn't take a genius to work out who was behind the piece. What a total w@nker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 Breaks my heart that you feel Michu is an adequate replacement for Lallana. Take the summer off and learn the game. You've been found out on here. Time and time again. Michu no, Cabella, Grenier or Hamouma certainly are, to name but 3 known to me, in fact we could probably get 2 of them for the sum we'd expect to get for Lallana, that 25% to Bournemouth is a bit of a bugger though. Don't actually mind the idea of selling Lallana myself, but giving 5 or 6 million to Bournemouth just rankles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 If you read the Saints story in the Sun, you'll see that the last few paragraphs are blowing so much smoke up Cortese's arse it doesn't take a genius to work out who was behind the piece. What a total w@nker.perhaps, but I know that AL is very keen to play for Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 For once in my life I am a bit ITK on this one and I know that Shaw and Lallana are both open to moves to bigger clubs. Shaws the more keen to move to a big club, whereas Lallana wants to get a feel for where the clubs ambition lies before making a decision. Pochettino staying or going isn't the main factor in their decisions. Will be an interesting summer. I'm fully aware how this forum works and that I'll get countless **** for claiming i have insider knowledge, believe it or not but it has come from a big source inside the club. This is the first time I've been passed along a bit of info, prob won't be much more. I'm not particularly concerned whether anyone believes it or not.thanks for that. I could stomach LS leaving for a large fee and keeping MP and AL, MP the priority of the 2 IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 Michu no, Cabella, Grenier or Hamouma certainly are, to name but 3 known to me, in fact we could probably get 2 of them for the sum we'd expect to get for Lallana, that 25% to Bournemouth is a bit of a bugger though. Don't actually mind the idea of selling Lallana myself, but giving 5 or 6 million to Bournemouth just rankles. Thought you were against the idea of Cabella Window Cleaner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca155 Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 Michu no, Cabella, Grenier or Hamouma certainly are, to name but 3 known to me, in fact we could probably get 2 of them for the sum we'd expect to get for Lallana I think that's the point, there really isn't a ready made replacement for Lallana at the moment, he is currently unique and that is why everyone wants him. I don't want him to leave it's a treat to see players of this quality playing for Saints but he has done his time with Saints and owes us nothing. He has earnt his place amongst the elite and I for one won't begrudge him a minute of it. I hope he earns a big wedge from the move, remembers us fondly, and goes on to great things. He isn't 18 anymore and his game relies on quick thinking and quick feet. The fact that he can't last 90 minutes probably demonstrates that his career is likely to be shorter than most. If Saints are going to sell I would prefer that it was Shaw they sold for mega bucks. He isn't worth 30 million..... yet and if some mug wants to pay a ridiculous sum like that then the club needs to cash in quickly. A No10 is far more important than a left back and an adequate replacement will be easier to find. As has been said many times before a lot depends on the clubs intentions. Swansea, Fulham, Villa, West Brom, Norwich, and Newcastle have all got to this stage. The media waged a war on those clubs to unsettle their best players to keep their beloved 'big' clubs in the headlines. The same is happening to Saints now, precious few people outside an SO post code are going to buy a paper with a Southampton FC headline and I don't see red and white stripes on the shelves of Sports Direct just yet. Back in the Dell days I remember someone calculating that Utd made more from just programme sales in one game than Saints gross turnover for the entire season. Its probably evened up a bit now, to a couple of games but the journey we are expecting Saints to make remains a massive one. We haven't made a bad start though have we and all the money in the world won't stop an enthusiastic and talented team like we have now from giving the big boys regular spankings, and don't we love it. Some sensible trading in the summer will help us consolidate a top ten place and then things will become interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickylambert Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 I thought Lallana was an Everton fan?! Cr*p one if he is. Plus it's his 26th birthday today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 If Saints are going to sell I would prefer that it was Shaw they sold for mega bucks. He isn't worth 30 million..... yet and if some mug wants to pay a ridiculous sum like that then the club needs to cash in quickly. A No10 is far more important than a left back and an adequate replacement will be easier to find.. That's exactly what was said about bridge and bale and we failed miserably to replace both and the balance and quality of the side suffered badly as a result. Shaw is the best left back in the league right now. He is worth that money. The best cost a premium. Sell Shaw and watch us struggle next season at both ends of the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 Of course that will happen but what can you do if the player wants to go? It will be a domino effect of one going and then the other and them using it as an excuse to leave, money and prospects talk, the modern game and I hate it for it, how can a club like ours legitimately rise to the highest parts of the League? They cant and they have no chance, there is simple no point in trying as what is happening now will happen again and again, its a flawed corrupt system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambol2K9 Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 The clubs ambition is 6th - 8th. The talk of champions league left with Cortese. Katharina won't be spending silly money to get us to that next level, I think our expectations will need to change, we prob will be a club that sells it's best players again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 The clubs ambition is 6th - 8th. The talk of champions league left with Cortese. Katharina won't be spending silly money to get us to that next level To come 6th Saints would have to finish above at least 2 teams out of Man City, Man Utd, Everton, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool. That requires moving up a level. if Saints were ever able to come above 2 of those 7 teams, a Champions League challenge wouldn't be that much of a leap further forward. If you can compete for 6th, 4th isn't far away. Getting above 8th is the main difficulty as that is where there is the biggest gap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 To come 6th Saints would have to finish above at least 2 teams out of Man City, Man Utd, Everton, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool. That requires moving up a level. if Saints were ever able to come above 2 of those 7 teams, a Champions League challenge wouldn't be that much of a leap further forward. If you can compete for 6th, 4th isn't far away. Getting above 8th is the main difficulty as that is where there is the biggest gap. Tell Spurs and United fans that the gap isn't that big! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 Of course that will happen but what can you do if the player wants to go? It will be a domino effect of one going and then the other and them using it as an excuse to leave, money and prospects talk, the modern game and I hate it for it, how can a club like ours legitimately rise to the highest parts of the League? They cant and they have no chance, there is simple no point in trying as what is happening now will happen again and again, its a flawed corrupt system. No point in trying? Jesus wept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 The clubs ambition is 6th - 8th. The talk of champions league left with Cortese. Katharina won't be spending silly money to get us to that next level, I think our expectations will need to change, we prob will be a club that sells it's best players again If we're planning to sell our best players the ambition better be 16-18th then because there's zero chance of achieving 6-8 without retaining our talent and a reasonable level of investment in new transfer funds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 The clubs ambition is 6th - 8th. The talk of champions league left with Cortese. Katharina won't be spending silly money to get us to that next level, I think our expectations will need to change, we prob will be a club that sells it's best players again When did us not being a club that sold its best players happen?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 Tell Spurs and United fans that the gap isn't that big! I refer we shall never break in to the top 4/6/8 for any length of time if at all as the clubs above and some below are far far bigger and it simply wont happen due to money, lack of real ambition but again money, we don't have it and to try and do it the organic way and grow from the academy is naïve as players are already going to go leave and weaken the side, it plain to see, if Gallagher in the next two years is superb or even good he will leave to a bigger club and so it begins again. This as good as it will get for many years without millions, can you see that happening, after yesterdays speaker announcement I remain firmly in the sceptical/they are bull****ting the fans corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 No point in trying? Jesus wept. Of course not,but that does not stop me from being right though does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 Of course not,but that does not stop me from being right though does it? Nonsensical ramblings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 Nonsensical ramblings. Really, and we move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 What's the point in moving on Barry? You'll still be no better than average. What's the point in trying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 When did us not being a club that sold its best players happen?? Are you Yoda? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 What's the point in moving on Barry? You'll still be no better than average. What's the point in trying? In relation to us and where we are this is as good as it gets, embrace it, love it but be angry and frustrated by the lack of fairness and honesty in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 In relation to us and where we are this is as good as it gets, embrace it, love it but be angry and frustrated by the lack of fairness and honesty in the game. "...how can a club like ours legitimately rise to the highest parts of the League? They cant and they have no chance, there is simple no point in trying as what is happening now will happen again and again.." What's the point Barry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diggers Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 I'm gutted when any good Saints player wants away but football is a mercenary business and why should footballers not be like the rest of society, trying to better themselves and their careers? Lallanas got about five good years left in him and if he's to look back after his best playing days are behind him and think to himself that he achieved everything anyone in his profession could then unfortunately this is the time to move. ill wish him well in his future career and hope that the club squeeze every last penny out of any negotiations as he's going to be virtually irreplaceable. if the club really is true to its youth principles, maybe there's a new Lallana ready to drop off the production line soon but I don't see any of the new crop being quite ready to fill his boots next season. i can't believe Lallana or the club would be foolish enough to sign a deal this side of the World Cup? If he gets a lot of pitch time it's got to be "Southamptons Adam Lallana" not "liverpools" that makes spence on all levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolsaint29 Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 What happens is what happens. Nothing we can do about it. Meh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 "...how can a club like ours legitimately rise to the highest parts of the League? They cant and they have no chance, there is simple no point in trying as what is happening now will happen again and again.." What's the point Barry? The point is there is no point, you support your side never the less and regardless but don't delude yourself in the process, life and football is a fix, if it were anything else all would have walked by now but they don't as football is a romantic game played on emotion, that's why there are teams like Crewe, Nuneaton and Hexham still going but don't think the system aint rigged because it is, the dream of reaching the top will never happen (it should or could) to us or Rochdale in the current circumstances, is that fair, right or proper? No, but we don't want to hear that do we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 Is this thread about Adam or the Barry show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 Aside from what his closest relative told myself and West Stand at the Everton game. What club would sell a player before the World Cup where his value could increase. Secondly why would we not stir up an auction if he was going to go, thirdly why would we sell him before strengthening and fourthly that 25% to Bournemouth is going to prove horrendously expensive for whoever wants him. This crap is more of the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 If a player wants to leave there's not much that can be done about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 Aside from what his closest relative told myself and West Stand at the Everton game. What club would sell a player before the World Cup where his value could increase. Secondly why would we not stir up an auction if he was going to go, thirdly why would we sell him before strengthening and fourthly that 25% to Bournemouth is going to prove horrendously expensive for whoever wants him. This crap is more of the same. Only a club that allows itself to be bullied sell before a big tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 (edited) If a player wants to leave there's not much that can be done about it. There is not, but you can say to him you are leaving after the tournament and not before. Edited 10 May, 2014 by Barry Sanchez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 Is this thread about Adam or the Barry show? Quite, please stay on topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 If a player wants to leave there's not much that can be done about it. Except to get the best price and dictate when. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 (edited) The point is there is no point, you support your side never the less and regardless but don't delude yourself in the process, life and football is a fix, if it were anything else all would have walked by now but they don't as football is a romantic game played on emotion, that's why there are teams like Crewe, Nuneaton and Hexham still going but don't think the system aint rigged because it is, the dream of reaching the top will never happen (it should or could) to us or Rochdale in the current circumstances, is that fair, right or proper? No, but we don't want to hear that do we? So football, like life, isn't fair. So there is no point in trying to be the best because you will never achieve it. What's the option Barry? In football? Dalek's yo yo strategy? Portsmouth's suicidal gamble? And in life? Chain yourself to the railings? Accept your 3 stars at maccy d's? Swallow bleach? Be realistic by all means. We may not get everything we strive for for whatever reason. But to not try? To settle for average? I'd rather be deluded. Soz. Finished now. Edited 10 May, 2014 by Goatboy soz for off topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 To come 6th Saints would have to finish above at least 2 teams out of Man City, Man Utd, Everton, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool. That requires moving up a level. if Saints were ever able to come above 2 of those 7 teams, a Champions League challenge wouldn't be that much of a leap further forward. If you can compete for 6th, 4th isn't far away. Getting above 8th is the main difficulty as that is where there is the biggest gap. It is all matter of timing and luck. Reviewing that list, who could have imagined that Manchester United would have finished potentially only a couple of points above us, or that Liverpool would have finished as low the past couple of seasons. OK, they've been the surprise package this season based on how poor they were before it, but they rely heavily on Suarez and Sturridge and what happens if either are injured for long periods or sold? Spurs have been nowhere near as good without Bale and his replacements have been gash considering how much they spent on them. Everton have a good manager in Martinez, but rely on loan players who might not be there next year and their replacements might not be as good. Man Utd will probably improve under Van Gaal, but will require major surgery to replace several players and they might not gel any better than those Spurs misfits next season. On the other side of the coin, we will need to keep Pochettino and the majority of the current team, strengthen by adding 3/4 more quality players to stand a chance of advancing further next season. I don't think that 6th is impossible, in fact we might have achieved it this season had we not suffered key injuries to Boruc, Wanyama and Lovren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 Maybe we've agreed a deal for Iniesta and he said he won't come whilst Lallana's here because he wants some game time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 So football, like life, isn't fair. So there is no point in trying to be the best because you will never achieve it. What's the option Barry? In football? Dalek's yo yo strategy? Portsmouth's suicidal gamble? And in life? Chain yourself to the railings? Accept your 3 stars at maccy d's? Swallow bleach? Be realistic by all means. We may not get everything we strive for for whatever reason. But to not try? To settle for average? I'd rather be deluded. Soz. Finished now. Be deluded then, that's your choice, I prefer open and honest debate with a bit of integrity thrown in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 When did us not being a club that sold its best players happen?? Didn't sell our best players last year, or the year before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 Didn't sell our best players last year, or the year before. Because no one wanted them or put in a bid worth the effort, every club on the planet is a stepping stone bar Barcelona and Real Madrid (at the moment). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 I refer we shall never break in to the top 4/6/8 for any length of time if at all as the clubs above and some below are far far bigger and it simply wont happen due to money, lack of real ambition but again money, we don't have it and to try and do it the organic way and grow from the academy is naïve as players are already going to go leave and weaken the side, it plain to see, if Gallagher in the next two years is superb or even good he will leave to a bigger club and so it begins again. This as good as it will get for many years without millions, can you see that happening, after yesterdays speaker announcement I remain firmly in the sceptical/they are bull****ting the fans corner. Have to agree that this is as good as it gets. The only was it would get Bette is if all players stayed and we bought a couple more that improved us and how is that going to happen when we can't match the wages offered elsewhere. Pretty much what Lowe was faced with and chastised because he was perceived as a chairman that let players go. All chairman do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 Didn't sell our best players last year, or the year before. We didn't have players others wanted enough to pay the fees we were asking. They want them enough now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 Only a club that allows itself to be bullied sell before a big tournament. Or one that gets the money they want and the extra time to buy the replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 Or one that gets the money they want and the extra time to buy the replacement. It has never worked like that for the selling club though has it? Why sell now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 It has never worked like that for the selling club though has it? Why sell now? You are saying that teams are usually better off (and I mean in terms of the quality and performances of the squad the following season) holding on till the end of the window to sell for more money, but having less time to buy their replacements? I don't want us to sell at all and holding out for a bidding war might be the best idea. I don't know. He could get injured in the World Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 You are saying that teams are usually better off (and I mean in terms of the quality and performances of the squad the following season) holding on till the end of the window to sell for more money, but having less time to buy their replacements? I don't want us to sell at all and holding out for a bidding war might be the best idea. I don't know. He could get injured in the World Cup. I agree but I would take a chance, the odds are in our favour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 I agree but I would take a chance, the odds are in our favour. Come on Bazza. Switch off now. You have said your bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 We didn't have players others wanted enough to pay the fees we were asking. They want them enough now. You don't know who wanted who the last two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/brendan-rodgers-must-spend-wisely-as-liverpools-nearly-men-seek-to-build-on-revival-9348434.html £25m would appear to be the price that would test us. Can't see Liverpool going to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kazza Posted 10 May, 2014 Share Posted 10 May, 2014 I think Weston Saint who is close to Adam and his family with his silence is telling us that Adam is on his way!!Sadly!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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