DT Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 Come and join the Saints Academy and you too can have your chance at a big club and big money after only a season in the funny little provincial backwaters. Grrr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 (edited) Unless you start paying stupid wages nobody will stay. It's not about salaries, it's about progression in football. Top players want to play in top competitions, you could pay Messi all you want but he'd never play for mid-table PL Southampton. If you have major nation internationals in your side our target has to be the CL every season, even if you fail at the end and only get EL. You do not ruin their season by making them play with dross like Gazzaniga or Hooiveld. Edited 27 June, 2014 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 We were chuffed to bit s when we signed speedie and dixon but it soon became apparent how useless they actually were, We were well conned they didnt know how to play the saints way, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 Im sure Les said a couple of weeks back he was looking forward to introducing our new players to us in early July at one of the home friendlies we have good replacements lined up. Guan knows who we have got . I bet he is bursting at the seems to tell us all Just be patient PS can we have a collection to get Saintrichmond treatment hes seems to have a severe case of Alpinitis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 Didn't we bring in a couple of Dutchman the last time we sold the family silver and were dependant on the academy? hope it is not a repeat History does repeat itself you know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 Rumours of Adam failing his medical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 Rumours of Adam failing his medical. That would be so ****ing funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 For me it is wishful thinking believing the replacements will be better than those leaving. For a start, those leaving are integral to what has been achieved here over the past few years and know the league. Many of the replacements are likely to be from other leagues and we have seen both at Saints and other clubs that they can be hit-or-miss signings. We always get told by people on here and in the media at large that imports need time to adjust and with, what seems to be, half the team leaving (and so far all of them have been English) we cannot afford giving them all time to adjust. I am sure that some of the new signings will be a success but equally sure some will be a failure. What is sure to me is that, with these three departures, the squad is significantly weaker. My assessment is that the three most important players in the team have now gone. We were generally awful down the left side when Shaw was out last season. When Oswaldo played instead of Lambert the team looked unbalanced. We dominated many games but failed to make it count so often and now we are removing the most talented 'creator' in Lallana. My confidence level is not high for next year. It isn't just a truism that players from other leagues take time to adjust. Some players are superb for one team and then fail to make an impact at another club even in this country at the top level. Torres springs immediately to mind. Liverpool and Man Utd are buying Lallana and Shaw based on what they did for us, but that doesn't mean that they will produce the same impact there, they are bought speculatively, as will our replacements of them be. Lovren was a player who adjusted to playing here right away, so that is seen as a plus for other PL wishing to buy him, but he was seen as a bit of a misfit at Lyon. For every failure to adapt to playing here from abroad like Osvaldo, there are examples of players picked up at a relative pittance who set the league on fire. The English Premier League isn't the force it was, with Spain and now Germany becoming more powerful rivals. When we played hardball with Liverpool and United over Shaw and Lallana' s fees, there were numerous suggestions of players who were thought to offer better value from abroad for much lower fees. These are the sort of player we should be looking at. In Koeman, we have a manager renowned for his sides' attacking football. You rightly mention that we often dominated many games without making it count. Could it be that often Lallana had a powder puff shot on him, or that Lambert was increasingly having to go deeper to get the ball? There was also a valid criticism that we were too slow at getting the killer ball into the box, something that Rodriguez was capable of, but few other players. Yes, we were weak down the left flank when Shaw didn't play, but we're hardly going to have the likes of Fox deputising for him this coming season, are we? I'm quite optimistic that Koeman will be better tactically than the one dimensional Pochettino and will have studied videos of our matches assiduously to work out where our strengths and weaknesses lie. He will also be the sort of person with the knowledge of which players will remedy those shortcomings and he will have a big kitty to spend on getting them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 Maybe this would be a good time for the Chinese fella to put in a cheeky bid for the club. MLT? Except he was never interested. Some weirdo here found a link between the guy and the area, wrote up a post, the moronic oversupply of sports journalists we have in this country came across it and wrote about it while playing Monopoly in the office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 Medical not so straight forward then, maybe a change of heart? Anyone heard any murmours on this? Expect the scouse wit will come up for a song about it if he does fail. Probably something by Gerry & The Pacemakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 Medical not so straight forward then, maybe a change of heart? Anyone heard any murmours on this? Wonder how keen Liverpool are to insure that this goes through? Is he having a transplant then? His heart clearly was not here, despite the sickening badge kissing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 Rumours of Adam failing his medical. ...owing to a head that is just too big and getting bigger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 Rumours of Adam failing his medical. Sorry, scrap this. It was a wind up account. Apologies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Abroad Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 ... (In reference to your video. You can only post 1 video in a message) No, watch the hysteria! [video=youtube_share;PErUiAyVoGc] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 He will pass the medical, possibly fail the hairstyle assessment due to a misplaced hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 Except he was never interested. Some weirdo here found a link between the guy and the area, wrote up a post, the moronic oversupply of sports journalists we have in this country came across it and wrote about it while playing Monopoly in the office. So he didn't have a meeting with Cortese in London then....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 Can anyone explain to me the value of a contract in football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 Can anyone explain to me the value of a contract in football? same as any job I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 Can anyone explain to me the value of a contract in football? Employment security for a fixed term for the player, big bucks for the club if the player is any good. Other than that very little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 Can anyone explain to me the value of a contract in football? Contract = Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 Can anyone explain to me the value of a contract in football? Christ, surely nobody is this thick? If you genuinely don't know, £30,000,000 is the answer. If Shaw wasn't under contract he would have walked out of here a free agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Abroad Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 Can anyone explain to me the value of a contract in football? You can't enforce promises in court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 So he didn't have a meeting with Cortese in London then....? Did he? Or was that some sort of "added value" from the journalists that read the original post in this forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 Can anyone explain to me the value of a contract in football? Aye. Players get one along with loads of wonga. They then can either let it run down so that the next club can give them even more wonga while their employer can't cash in on them, or they haggle when the contract still has some years to go so that they sign a new one and get even more wonga or act like everyone should be grateful for being able to cash in when they bugger off to get even more wonga shortly after having signed one that gave them more wonga than they were used to but not as much as their new employer is giving them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Guido Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 I remember a few years ago, travelling to Exeter for a midweek game, and Lallana driving himself down there to support the team. How times have changed. Now he changes the lives of Brazilian kids by kicking a ball with them, and hangs around with Gerrard. F*cking big-headed c*nt. After years of having a soft spot for the scousers, I really hope they fail miserably next season. He is well suited to the classless club they now are. F*cking workshy, thieving bast* rds. +100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 Can anyone explain to me the value of a contract in football? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27773544 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 From what I say at the WC and the crappy warm up games a team with Old Man Gerrard, Henderson, Sterling, Sturridge and Lallana (minus that flesh eating **** Suarez) in the team is nowt to worry about. They'll be too busy slapping each others back telling each other they are great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 From what I say at the WC and the crappy warm up games a team with Old Man Gerrard, Henderson, Sterling, Sturridge and Lallana (minus that flesh eating **** Suarez) in the team is nowt to worry about. They'll be too busy slapping each others back telling each other they are great. I bet the w@nkers will wear white suits to a Wembley final. C*nts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 It's not about salaries, it's about progression in football. Top players want to play in top competitions, you could pay Messi all you want but he'd never play for mid-table PL Southampton. If you have major nation internationals in your side our target has to be the CL every season, even if you fail at the end and only get EL. You do not ruin their season by making them play with dross like Gazzaniga or Hooiveld. Please tell me which different competitions Luke Shaw will be playing in next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 Please tell me which different competitions Luke Shaw will be playing in next season. you think he moved just for next season within the next 3 years, I suspect he WILL be playing champions league football and have won a major english trophy that simply would not happen at saints (or highly unilikely) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 Many years ago when pompey were in the prem, Adam was heard to exclaim in a nightclub toilet that he would go there in a flash if they now for him. Never warmed to him since that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 Can anyone explain to me the value of a contract in football? A contract is something that your own players should always honour, but players you want to sign can break theirs. In simple terms Adam is a big headed **** and Liverpool a load of ******s for signing him, but jrod just wanted to play for a bigger club and we were perfectly within our rights to make an offer to Burnley. Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 you think he moved just for next season within the next 3 years, I suspect he WILL be playing champions league football and have won a major english trophy that simply would not happen at saints (or highly unilikely) No I don't. I believe he went for an obscene salary and that alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 No I don't. I believe he went for an obscene salary and that alone. wouldnt you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 No I don't. I believe he went for an obscene salary and that alone. You honestly believe a professional footballer who has been dedicated to playing his whole life isn't interested in winning the Premier League or Champions League? Money is all he cares about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 No I don't. I believe he went for an obscene salary and that alone. and a better chance of 3 ways surely. Mind you he'll have plenty of time, Evra will still be number 1 LB there next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolsaint29 Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 You honestly believe a professional footballer who has been dedicated to playing his whole life isn't interested in winning the Premier League or Champions League? Money is all he cares about. Dunno but 100k in ya pocket a week I'd do most things!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diggers Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 At least his neighbours will be pleased! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 You honestly believe a professional footballer who has been dedicated to playing his whole life isn't interested in winning the Premier League or Champions League? Money is all he cares about. If he's that desperate to get in the CL, why hasn't he gone to Chelsea/ Man City/ Arsenal/ Liverpool/Celtic/ Bayern/DortmundPSG/Ath. Madrid/Barca/Real etc. Perhaps he's got a really sh ite agent who just got him in the first club that asked him. Or.... he's gone for the one that offered him the most Wonga. I'm not saying its wrong, but save me the pious sanctimony about his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 I sincerely hope that the board created a situation in which AL was forced to submit a transfer request (thereby forfeiting potential loyalty payments - this is how it works, right?), if only to offset some of the damage caused by Bournemouth's sell-on-fee. You'd think that with a long-term contract being penned last summer that the board were in a strong enough negotiating position to instigate such a scenario. Furthermore, given that it was reported that we rejected £25m initially, it is safe to assume that the terms of the £25m have been renegotiated (i.e. more up front)? *cough* Guan *cough* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 If he's that desperate to get in the CL, why hasn't he gone to Chelsea/ Man City/ Arsenal/ Liverpool/Celtic/ Bayern/DortmundPSG/Ath. Madrid/Barca/Real etc. Perhaps he's got a really sh ite agent who just got him in the first club that asked him. Or.... he's gone for the one that offered him the most Wonga. I'm not saying its wrong, but save me the pious sanctimony about his career. maybe because chelsea didnt come in for him? he will play champions league in the next 3 years and in the mean time. become a multi millionaire and play for one of the biggest sporting clubs on the planet not really difficult to grasp, IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 A fan has asked for a request on the on the radio for Adam They have asked if they can play either Cilla Black anyone who had a heart or the bee gees how do you mend a broken heart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydney_saint Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 It feels like that critical climax* when you finally uncover that your spouse is cheating on you. You've heard the rumours, the sudden late nights, the failing sex drive, the photos on facebook with her clubbing with a handsome man, the scores of friends telling you she is having an affair. Slowly these rumours mount up and you start to suspect that maybe is not all well with them and they will soon be moving on. And this is upsetting, tearing you apart and thinking the worse. However, it is not till the moment that they are actually gone to their new partner that you realise that in fact, you didn't care quite as much as you initially thought, and it doesn't quite hurt as much. I was fearing the worse when the rumours about Lallana started spreading just before the world cup, thinking that they would be the last straw for me and football. But in truth, he hasn't felt like our player for over a month now, and, as I've just discovered today, I don't really care. He's the past now, and someone else equally great will take his place, whether that be this transfer window or in 2 years time. *of the worst kind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolsaint29 Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 I don't care about lallana. Be happier with the money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 I don't care about lallana. Be happier with the money Provided it's wisely invested of course and not blown on a sack of shîte like Osvaldo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 maybe because chelsea didnt come in for him? he will play champions league in the next 3 years and in the mean time. become a multi millionaire and play for one of the biggest sporting clubs on the planet not really difficult to grasp, IMO So he will become a "multi millionaire". My point exactly. Would he only get to play in the CL in the next 3 years, unless he left right now. Somehow doubt that. If you don't think Chelsea haven't made any enquiry about him, then your "grasp" really needs checking. Please make sure you are not contradicting yourself again on a different thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 you think he moved just for next season within the next 3 years, I suspect he WILL be playing champions league football and have won a major english trophy that simply would not happen at saints (or highly unilikely) He will also most likely be at Manure for the remainder of his career, as do many of their young signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 So he will become a "multi millionaire". My point exactly. Would he only get to play in the CL in the next 3 years, unless he left right now. Somehow doubt that. If you don't think Chelsea haven't made any enquiry about him, then your "grasp" really needs checking. Please make sure you are not contradicting yourself again on a different thread. according to all reports, chelsea have not bid. they have a brilliant left back in Azapillicueta (sp) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 Very disappointing news once again. Appears we didn't even have resolve to stick to our asking price, let alone the notion of keeping our star players. So is it Lovren or Morgan next we'll flog. Would be funny if he fails the medical though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 Seems these deals have been done for a while and the fans have been played for fools. Any players we get in now will be a risk and it could be a very difficult year. I'm pretty disappointed to be honest because even though I expected them both to leave, I would have thought we would have done our business first. It's going to be very hard to convince players of our ambition now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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