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It's all starting to fall apart for Liverpool, isn't it? They huff and puff over Lallana, desperate to get him at a knock down price, threatening to have him stay with us if we don't cave in over their final offer. Somehow they fail to recognise that our target valuation of him is designed to either gain a silly price, or hack them off so that they withdraw. Now they are getting desperate because if they cannot get us to hurry up, they risk losing another alternative target to somebody else. And in the meantime, another target of theirs is now being courted by those bastards Spurs. They had again sought to offer less than Moreno's club wanted for him and Spurs are offering a player and the loan of Soldado plus money, which brings the deal closer to what Seville want for him.

 

Poor old Liverpool. You do have to feel sorry for the tight-fisted scouse gits.

 

That is the problem with trying to do your deals in the press rather than quietly behind closed doors and only announcing the deal when it is done.

 

I prefer our quiet approach, it shows strength, dignity and professionalism, although you would not believe that judging by some of the hysterical reaction to every headline on this forum.

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What difference does that make? we can still say no even if he does put in a transfer request can't we ?

 

Apparently if he puts in a transfer request we dont have to pay him loyalty bonuses or the remaining two thirds of his signing on fee. If we save money that way we won't need to make as much on the transfer, so it might bridge the gap between what we want and what Liverpool want to pay.

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Seriosuly starting to believe that the reason Liverpool are in such a rush is because they HAVE agreed a mega-bucks deal for Suarez.

 

We've argued the same point on other threads - they come in for AL & Lambert with take it or leave it offers now, knowing full well that "when" Suarez leaves for 70 or 80 million clubs like us would be insisting on 40Mil from them in cash for AL.

 

The furore is bad enough now about AL "pushing" to get out, Christ imagine the row IF the Scousers pocket 70 or 80 mil in 3 or 4 weeks time after the WC.

 

Think we should play hardball and watch

 

This I believe is spot on. Suarez has a good world cup, Liverpool won't keep him, already looks dodgy for them. They need something to keep their fans happy and they don't want to be bent over. The press speculation is starting to shift in our favour. I think their is a similar story with Shaw and that more than one club is involved and Saints are waiting to see if anymore clubs want to jump in after WC.

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This I believe is spot on. Suarez has a good world cup, Liverpool won't keep him, already looks dodgy for them. They need something to keep their fans happy and they don't want to be bent over. The press speculation is starting to shift in our favour. I think their is a similar story with Shaw and that more than one club is involved and Saints are waiting to see if anymore clubs want to jump in after WC.
it goes both ways, if AL gets an injury or a bad WC his value will drop. Take the money and move on. Watching LS last night hardly made him priceless, and watching AL walking wround against Peru hardly made him look great, of course that may be the plan
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it goes both ways, if AL gets an injury or a bad WC his value will drop. Take the money and move on. Watching LS last night hardly made him priceless, and watching AL walking wround against Peru hardly made him look great, of course that may be the plan

 

Saints don't lose either way, also that was one game against Ecuador with a **** team and especially **** defence. AL came on for about 4 mins. Yes if they have a **** WC boo hoo then Liverpool won't be able to justify our valuation even more doesn't mean we will change it.

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What if AL received a very significant signing on bonus when he extended his contract and the Chairman at the time inserted a clause, that this would need to be repaid if the player handed in a transfer request and was subsequently sold........ is that beyond the realms of possibility?

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What if AL received a very significant signing on bonus when he extended his contract and the Chairman at the time inserted a clause, that this would need to be repaid if the player handed in a transfer request and was subsequently sold........ is that beyond the realms of possibility?

 

Not beyond the realms at all, this is exactly what happens usually.

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Confirmation of Liverpool signing of Emre Can just in

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-confirm-emre-can-transfer-3647756

 

 

 

Jun 05, 2014 01:45

By David Anderson

 

Brendan Rodgers has made his second signing of the summer as Leverkusen's German Under-21 starlet completes his move

 

Liverpool have confirmed the signing of the versatile German youngster

 

Emre Can has become Liverpool's second summer signing after joining in a £9.75million deal from Bayer Leverkusen.

Liverpool yesterday activated the midfielder's release clause at Leverkusen and have finally agreed terms with Can after weeks of talks.

Can, 20, spent four years at Bayern Munich before joining Leverkusen last summer and Liverpool feel they have pulled off a transfer coup by landing him.

Bayern had a buy-back option, but preferred to leave Can at Leverkusen for another season, which has allowed the Reds to pounce.

Can, who is of Turkish heritage, has come through the ranks with Germany's youth set-up and is a current Under-21 international.

He becomes Liverpool's second close-season capture after they landed Rickie Lambert in a £4million deal from Southampton on Monday.

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What if AL received a very significant signing on bonus when he extended his contract and the Chairman at the time inserted a clause, that this would need to be repaid if the player handed in a transfer request and was subsequently sold........ is that beyond the realms of possibility?

 

Derry explained it to us yesterday. Post 2110, I'm sure he has factual basis for saying that.

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Saints don't lose either way, also that was one game against Ecuador with a **** team and especially **** defence. AL came on for about 4 mins. Yes if they have a **** WC boo hoo then Liverpool won't be able to justify our valuation even more doesn't mean we will change it.
of course they do, if ether gets injured the value drops. As for having a **** WC the Liverpool may cool on him. At present the lure of 20m for AL seems pretty high, and 30m even more
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Confirmation of Liverpool signing of Emre Can just in

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-confirm-emre-can-transfer-3647756

 

 

Jun 05, 2014 01:45

By David Anderson

 

Brendan Rodgers has made his second signing of the summer as Leverkusen's German Under-21 starlet completes his move

 

Liverpool have confirmed the signing of the versatile German youngster

 

Emre Can has become Liverpool's second summer signing after joining in a £9.75million deal from Bayer Leverkusen.

Liverpool yesterday activated the midfielder's release clause at Leverkusen and have finally agreed terms with Can after weeks of talks.

Can, 20, spent four years at Bayern Munich before joining Leverkusen last summer and Liverpool feel they have pulled off a transfer coup by landing him.

Bayern had a buy-back option, but preferred to leave Can at Leverkusen for another season, which has allowed the Reds to pounce.

Can, who is of Turkish heritage, has come through the ranks with Germany's youth set-up and is a current Under-21 international.

He becomes Liverpool's second close-season capture after they landed Rickie Lambert in a £4million deal from Southampton on Monday.

 

 

Will have little to no impact on the pursuit of Lallana.

 

Emre Can is a holding midfielder that can also play in Central Defence.

 

Clearly it's not an either or from their point of view.

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The Express reckons that Liverpool are "ramping up the pressure" on us to allow them to sign Lallana, or they will instead sign Markovic.

 

Well, go on, Rodgers. Sign Markovic. See if I care I have loads of money.

 

Or even better if Katherine said this on Sky news ;)

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of course they do, if ether gets injured the value drops. As for having a **** WC the Liverpool may cool on him. At present the lure of 20m for AL seems pretty high, and 30m even more

 

No really we the club don't lose either way, If AL or Shaw has a **** world cup, and their value drops and teams still don't want to pay our valuation then they are still ours and we can still play them. Alternatively teams pay up and were still laughing on way to bank. Can't believe I really needed to explain that? Sorry if you were being dim for laughs and i missed it ;)

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No really we the club don't lose either way, If AL or Shaw has a **** world cup, and their value drops and teams still don't want to pay our valuation then they are still ours and we can still play them. Alternatively teams pay up and were still laughing on way to bank. Can't believe I really needed to explain that? Sorry if you were being dim for laughs and i missed it ;)
Dimbo or not, after spending nearly 40 years dealing I do know the ins and outs of negotiation. If the club really dont want to sell they may as well say 50m and it is game over. The club want to do the business and are just trying to get the best money, period. A player getting injured or having a bad WC is a risk and so we have to weight that up whether we think the value will improve o other clubs come in. You may think that it does not matter either way, but once you have decided to sell the goods are never quite the same again.
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Dimbo or not, after spending nearly 40 years dealing I do know the ins and outs of negotiation. If the club really dont want to sell they may as well say 50m and it is game over. The club want to do the business and are just trying to get the best money, period. A player getting injured or having a bad WC is a risk and so we have to weight that up whether we think the value will improve o other clubs come in. You may think that it does not matter either way, but once you have decided to sell the goods are never quite the same again.

 

Apologies for the dinlo comment I really did think you might be taking the **** but I see now where you've gone wrong.

 

Im no dealer, but to me it is really not the same as selling a couple of grams of weed. It isn't as clear cut as you say, the club may be willing to sell for the right price, but it doesn't mean they want to sell. In your situation presumably you need to get rid of the gear quickly which is different. ;)

 

If we have product that we don't mind holding on to as it's good **** (Lallana) but would consider selling and someone asks how much, we say ooh give us your best offer, they then do that and we say ahh well sorry me old mucker but that's just not worth our time. They then can come back and try again. If they do then eventually we might say, 'okay that's a tidy sum we'll let you have product' or we might just tell them it's not good enough and we're still enjoying owning product.

 

Or are you jumping to the assumption that the club have definitely decided to actively tout Lallana rather than just fielding incoming bids. I think those 40 years of yours have made this negotiation look a little more complicated than necessary. In my version which is the facts so far, we can't lose, whether we sell or keep Lallana this season as events currently stand, even with a bad WC performance, Lalana will play for us next season or pay for us to get someone in, for better or worse. A player getting permanently injured is always a risk and isn't an argument to hide behind, should we panic sell all our players, no, I would like to think insurances exist to cover these situations for clubs.

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what the f*ck am i sposed to do with a "couple of grams of weed" mallagroth? Is that seriously all you've got? That's not even an eight bro.

 

For that reason I'm out.

 

Mate I don't have 40 years negotiation so it's all I could get off floor of car while Oldnick was looking other way, but you can have what I found for 30M if ya get desperate.

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Apologies for the dinlo comment I really did think you might be taking the **** but I see now where you've gone wrong.

 

Im no dealer, but to me it is really not the same as selling a couple of grams of weed. It isn't as clear cut as you say, the club may be willing to sell for the right price, but it doesn't mean they want to sell. In your situation presumably you need to get rid of the gear quickly which is different. ;)

 

If we have product that we don't mind holding on to as it's good **** (Lallana) but would consider selling and someone asks how much, we say ooh give us your best offer, they then do that and we say ahh well sorry me old mucker but that's just not worth our time. They then can come back and try again. If they do then eventually we might say, 'okay that's a tidy sum we'll let you have product' or we might just tell them it's not good enough and we're still enjoying owning product.

 

Or are you jumping to the assumption that the club have definitely decided to actively tout Lallana rather than just fielding incoming bids. I think those 40 years of yours have made this negotiation look a little more complicated than necessary. In my version which is the facts so far, we can't lose, whether we sell or keep Lallana this season as events currently stand, even with a bad WC performance, Lalana will play for us next season or pay for us to get someone in, for better or worse. A player getting permanently injured is always a risk and isn't an argument to hide behind, should we panic sell all our players, no, I would like to think insurances exist to cover these situations for clubs.

 

Well I lol :lol:

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Apologies for the dinlo comment I really did think you might be taking the **** but I see now where you've gone wrong.

 

Im no dealer, but to me it is really not the same as selling a couple of grams of weed. It isn't as clear cut as you say, the club may be willing to sell for the right price, but it doesn't mean they want to sell. In your situation presumably you need to get rid of the gear quickly which is different. ;)

 

If we have product that we don't mind holding on to as it's good **** (Lallana) but would consider selling and someone asks how much, we say ooh give us your best offer, they then do that and we say ahh well sorry me old mucker but that's just not worth our time. They then can come back and try again. If they do then eventually we might say, 'okay that's a tidy sum we'll let you have product' or we might just tell them it's not good enough and we're still enjoying owning product.

 

Or are you jumping to the assumption that the club have definitely decided to actively tout Lallana rather than just fielding incoming bids. I think those 40 years of yours have made this negotiation look a little more complicated than necessary. In my version which is the facts so far, we can't lose, whether we sell or keep Lallana this season as events currently stand, even with a bad WC performance, Lalana will play for us next season or pay for us to get someone in, for better or worse. A player getting permanently injured is always a risk and isn't an argument to hide behind, should we panic sell all our players, no, I would like to think insurances exist to cover these situations for clubs.

if you believe the club want to keep him you say 50m or better still he's not for sale. To negotiate the price would point to the fact they do want to sell. Your cheap jibe that I would be dealing in drugs may be mildly amusing to some but not me.

AL is fast becoming damaged goods, and his return may be your idea of good news but to me part of him has died as a Saints star.

If you think either of them getting an injury or having poor performances in the WC is not a bad thing for their value then I wish I came across a few punters like yourself. Yeah I'm sure there is insurance but I very much doubt it is anywhere near the price we have been asking Liverpool or Man UU

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Without speaking in person' date=' I can't pick up the nuance, but I do presume you are being sarcastic :-)[/quote']

 

Lucas not been the same player since he done his ACL ain't it (:uhoh: jay rod). I remember him being like the best DM in the league before tho.

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Yet more bullsh*t and red top threats from Ted Rodgers and the scouse cheapskates. I love reading the line 'Liverpool don't want to pay...' (is this supposed to be a call for sympathy or capitulation on the part of Saints) and it's obvious they are terrified he is going to have a decent World Cup. It would be rather funny however, if a genuinely big club came in at the last minute and offered £30m plus for our world class badge patter! http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-poised-switch-transfer-interest-3644925

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if you believe the club want to keep him you say 50m or better still he's not for sale. To negotiate the price would point to the fact they do want to sell. Your cheap jibe that I would be dealing in drugs may be mildly amusing to some but not me.

AL is fast becoming damaged goods, and his return may be your idea of good news but to me part of him has died as a Saints star.

If you think either of them getting an injury or having poor performances in the WC is not a bad thing for their value then I wish I came across a few punters like yourself. Yeah I'm sure there is insurance but I very much doubt it is anywhere near the price we have been asking Liverpool or Man UU

 

Come on OldNick, you said you were a dealer, and because you were saying it in a patronising way I thought it would just be a bit of fun. I seem to have upset you and if it makes you feel better I'm happy to agree with you (I often have to do this with my girlfriend too so it's no problem). :twisted:

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Everyone has a price

 

The selling club has a 'happy' to sell price = Saints board still at this level

The selling club has a 'willing' to compromise price

The buying club has a 'happy' to pay price

The buying club has a 'willing' to compromise price

The player has a happy to sign for wage

The agent is the only one who doesn't care as he gets a cut of any price

 

The 'fans' have a happy to get him out of here price usually tied to the price for his replacement

 

So far we have prices banded about from £20M to £30M and in truth we know nothing of the true value.

 

Signing the Liverpool shirt and reportly saying he want's amove put the Fans price into the mix as well, cant see him getting a warm round of applause when he arrives back at St Mary's whereas Rickie and I guess Luke due to their behaviour will always be accepted and respected.

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So according to the press, Liverpool want Lallana for £20m, which is less than they would have to pay for their alternative target. Net of the Bournemouth AFC slice, SFC would get £15m to spend on a replacement. But by foregoing that £15m the club can hold on to a player worth (on Liverpool's valuation) £20m. Is there a logic there which says SFC's best deal is to hold the player to his contract, which is reported to run for another 4 years?

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Come on OldNick, you said you were a dealer, and because you were saying it in a patronising way I thought it would just be a bit of fun. I seem to have upset you and if it makes you feel better I'm happy to agree with you (I often have to do this with my girlfriend too so it's no problem). :twisted:
me patronising , moi .I dont think so. I do hope your G/F is as easy as me
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So according to the press, Liverpool want Lallana for £20m, which is less than they would have to pay for their alternative target. Net of the Bournemouth AFC slice, SFC would get £15m to spend on a replacement. But by foregoing that £15m the club can hold on to a player worth (on Liverpool's valuation) £20m. Is there a logic there which says SFC's best deal is to hold the player to his contract, which is reported to run for another 4 years?

 

and there you have it in one

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But we were told on good authority that Liverpool had made a final offer and wanted to close the deal before the world cup, else they'll look elsewhere.......

 

Personally Brendan Rogers / Lallana's Agents persistence in dealing through the press is getting on my wick. It would make me want to hold out for more, just to stick it to 'em. But then it's not my money :)

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This is a tremendeous hero-to-villain swing that would make Pompey fans envious. Very good, Saints, very good... Not too long ago he was our talisman, the heart of the side, the local boy who earned his captaincy. Now the mob is waiting to go after him when he comes back from Brazil.

 

The rumours are plenty and may turn out true (most probably), but I'll reserve judgement on Adam until then and cheer for him at the World cup...

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This is a tremendeous hero-to-villain swing that would make Pompey fans envious. Very good, Saints, very good... Not too long ago he was our talisman, the heart of the side, the local boy who earned his captaincy. Now the mob is waiting to go after him when he comes back from Brazil.

 

The rumours are plenty and may turn out true (most probably), but I'll reserve judgement on Adam until then and cheer for him at the World cup...

 

Oh come off it. Surely everyone knows that football fans are a fickle bunch, and frankly given the courting of Liverpool, it is in my mind somewhat justified. Personally I don't begrudge him a move away, but there are ways and means of going about it.

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Oh come off it. Surely everyone knows that football fans are a fickle bunch, and frankly given the courting of Liverpool, it is in my mind somewhat justified. Personally I don't begrudge him a move away, but there are ways and means of going about it.

 

Yes I'm well aware that we are a fickle bunch and I do not wish to come off as a better fan or whatever - I'd never manage to pull that off anyway ;) I just think we're moving a bit fast in relation to Lallana and I'd hate it if we were actually in the wrong and he is a pleasant, loyal young man who wants to play for the Saints. The Pompey reference was a low blow, I'll admit that, but the dynamics of the scenario are just too similar to those we laugh at in the PTS-thread to be ignored. For me at least.

 

My next project? To stem the flow of the Nile with a twig. After that, blocking an avalanche with a ski stick... :spaz:

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Liverpool now looking at other targets.Lallana may not be going anywhere. :)

 

With the supposed national quotas coming in does anyone believe that Liverpool are going to sign a foreign player who does the same job for a bigger transfer fee, more wages, bigger signing on fee and yet is unproven in the Premiership? We've got them over a barrel, pay up you tight fisted ****s.

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