Adam Lallana - Medical at Liverpool

[saint1977]

Completely disagree with those of you slating Adam for signing a CHILDS Liverpool shirt whilst on international duty.

 

However, I am very ****ed off at the comments he 'supposedly' made.

 

Never thought I'd see the day Adam Lallana would behave in such a way.

 

I agree with you the shirt Monk, don't know what other choice he had but to sign it. Comments could true or could be spiteful gossip.

 

Unlike many on this thread I don't begrudge him a move to a genuine top 4 club but he's under contract and he and his agent - and Rodgers/Ayre - know how transfers work. Liverpool match the valuation or get as near to it as they can and Adam STFU and gets on the WC. The reason the fanbase is turning badly against him is his - or his advisers - attempts to destabilise the whole club. Even Kenwyne Jones never resorted to that. That's why he's lost any support from me as a Saints fan and I hope we get what we want from Liverpool, we move on and we don't see Adam again in an SFC shirt. Is Bony doing any of this because clubs are yet to meet Swansea's asking price? No, he's enjoying a holiday and behaving like an adult.

 

In response to WC's valid point and that of KP Turner's the other day about why is AL's case different to Rickie's, I see where you are coming from but they are different assets at different stages of their career. Adam is at his absolute peak right now and will be until 30/31, that type of player doesn't tend to age well so would imagine Adam might be playing for Bournemouth into his 30s as he won't be at SFC standard when he leaves Liverpool. Going to Liverpool and being used sparingly will prolong Rickie for a further season, using his all the time we'd probably have finished him next season and as a financial asset, he is waning sharply. As an emotional asset and icon of course he is priceless and will be legend. Also, Rickie comes from Liverpool, Adam just wants £££ and CL football if he can get it.

 

Would be a mistake for Roy to pick him in the England XI at present - all of his hangers on and media chums have distracted him and I can't imagine he's fully focused. Probably his only shot at the WC - silly boy, old enough to know better. Luke might be several years younger but he's far more mature in attitude.

[CB Saint]

To be honest re the signing of the shirt, I'd would have done if I were in his position and not given it a second thought.

 

ironic isn't it. Some posters were berating him for not signing autographs (or appearing to do the bare minimum) and now he actually signs something, he is getting in the neck again. Talk about lose : lose.

 

anyway to repeat what I said earlier, Adam if you want to leave so badly, man up and hand in the transfer request, otherwise tough ttti es

[pap]

Hmm.

 

Liverpool may switch focus from Adam Lallana - ESPN FC (via http://ble.ac/teamstream-) http://teamstre.am/1kwQQpR

[doddisalegend]

Hmm.

 

Liverpool may switch focus from Adam Lallana - ESPN FC (via http://ble.ac/teamstream-) http://teamstre.am/1kwQQpR

 

All the more reason for Adam to act properly if Liverpool do decide to look elsewhere and no one else will match our valuation he is going to be in a very awkard postion trainning with the devolopment squad won't exactly help his career.

 

Could we see Adam doing a Peter Odemwingie and turnning up outside Anfield on deadline day desperatly trying to force a move.........

[Window Cleaner]

To be honest re the signing of the shirt, I'd would have done if I were in his position and not given it a second thought.

 

ironic isn't it. Some posters were berating him for not signing autographs (or appearing to do the bare minimum) and now he actually signs something, he is getting in the neck again. Talk about lose : lose.

 

anyway to repeat what I said earlier, Adam if you want to leave so badly, man up and hand in the transfer request, otherwise tough ttti es

 

But handing in a written transfer request does not guarantee his exit, that's still up to the board. If they're determined to hold out for 30 million then they won't get it. He's already overpriced at 25 (in my opinion). We'll be left with a discontented player on our hands as likely as not. Liverpool may want Lallana but they do not desperately need him, there is better for less, just not english that's all. As they have no real problem on the home grown players front I can't really see that being a major obstacle for them.

[Barry the Badger]

Of course he should sign the shirt you morons.

[Baird of the land]

Hmm.

 

Liverpool may switch focus from Adam Lallana - ESPN FC (via http://ble.ac/teamstream-) http://teamstre.am/1kwQQpR

 

Assume threat to walk away is all part of Liverpool's tactics to try and get Lallana for well under his market value of 30m. Guessing after World Cup Lallana will request Transfer request, Liverpool won't increase their cheap bid of 20ish million(plus silly joke clauses of an extra 5m). Hopefully Saints will stick to their guns and Lallana will knuckle down and impress in hopes that top 4 club will come back in and make a sensible bid.

[Leslie Charteris]

Interesting report here: http://www.football-observatory.com/IMG/pdf/ar2014_excerpt.pdf

 

Luke Shaw is the 46th most valuable player in Europe and it looks like we have our valuation about right. Lallana, however, is nowhere to be seen so our valuation seems to be telling a story to Adam and LFC.

[Wes Tender]

I do think that if the "board" hadn't talked themselves into a corner he's be long gone by now. Liverpool are offering far more than he's worth and the deal should be done, that it isn't is probably because of some dubious spouting of crap.

 

I note that others have pulled you up on the highlighted bit, and with good reason. The value of anything is what somebody is prepared to pay for it, or what the vendor is prepared to accept. You seem to ignore the second part. Just because Liverpool or you seem to think that Lallana's price is overvalued, does not make it so, accepting also that there is the probability that they might just wish to get him on the cheap.

 

Your valuation and Liverpool's is obviously not along the lines of that made by the club, which is affected by other factors such as the cost of replacing him with a player of the same calibre, and also factoring in the message that would go out to other clubs that we would be prepared to sell our captain who is on a long contract and on the verge of playing for his Country in the World Cup. If we would do that following on from selling our manager and our talisman striker, where would we take a stand?

 

The position is clear; if Liverpool are not prepared to meet our valuation for him, then they can go and take a running jump into the Mersey. Posters have been calling for the board to put their foot down and say that we have no need to sell our players and now that we effectively are playing hard-ball, we have our own fans suggesting that our players are not worth the figures being bandied about. Of course they aren't, but the point seems to have escaped some, that players will only be sold for stupid money if we wish to keep them. And if clubs are prepared to pay stupid price, that then becomes what a player like Lallana is worth.

[angelman]

For your average upper end footballer playing for a small(er) club with dubious ambitions then a move to a CL side with the salary that goes with it is indeed a dream move. Just cannot see why so many fail to see that we are now going nowhere and that our better players want to progress in their careers. We need to let them go, above all Shaw because clubs seem to be willing to pay far more than he's actually worth. Wait and see, this will backfire on us when they prove their real level in the WC.

 

Can I ask what's the point of the club (SFC) is and what's the point of taking part in the competition that is the PL?

 

Serious question. My answer to that is basically - not very much.

[Window Cleaner]

Assume threat to walk away is all part of Liverpool's tactics to try and get Lallana for well under his market value of 30m. Guessing after World Cup Lallana will request Transfer request, Liverpool won't increase their cheap bid of 20ish million(plus silly joke clauses of an extra 5m). Hopefully Saints will stick to their guns and Lallana will knuckle down and impress in hopes that top 4 club will come back in and make a sensible bid.

 

Anyone who thinks that Lallana is worth 30 million is deluding themselves....he is not, the problem is that we don't want to give

Bournemouth their ridiculous 25% cut out of our share. If that did not exist he'd be gone for about 20/22 million weeks back.

We will not get 30 million for Lallana because he is not worth it, to get these over inflated fees there have to be several clubs

battling it out to secure the player's services, doubt if that is the case with him.

[Mallagroth]

For your average upper end footballer playing for a small(er) club with dubious ambitions then a move to a CL side with the salary that goes with it is indeed a dream move. Just cannot see why so many fail to see that we are now going nowhere and that our better players want to progress in their careers. We need to let them go, above all Shaw because clubs seem to be willing to pay far more than he's actually worth. Wait and see, this will backfire on us when they prove their real level in the WC.

 

Please turn your car engine off sir and take the hose pipe off your exhaust. It's not all that bad.

[doddisalegend]

Anyone who thinks that Lallana is worth 30 million is deluding themselves....he is not, the problem is that we don't want to give

Bournemoth their ridiculous 25% cut out of our share. If that dd not exist he'd be gone for about 20/22 million weeks back.

We will not get 30 million for Lallana because he is not worth it, to get these over inflated fees there have to be several clubs

battling it out to secure the player's services, doubt if that is the case with him.

 

It's a win win for saints then. Pool either cough up or Adam stays. If Adam can't be sold he either knuckles down and plays for saints or if he won't and becomes disruptive he spends the peak of his football career playing for the saints development squad. Either way the club hold all the cards....as long as they are prepared to play hardball.

[Window Cleaner]

Please turn your car engine off sir and take the hose pipe off your exhaust. It's not all that bad.

 

 

I have no confidence in the people running the club whatsoever, still it's not the end of the world as you correctly say.

Still think we'll be nearer the bottom than the top next season though.

[Bucks Saint]

Anyone who thinks that Lallana is worth 30 million is deluding themselves....he is not, the problem is that we don't want to give

Bournemouth their ridiculous 25% cut out of our share. If that did not exist he'd be gone for about 20/22 million weeks back.

We will not get 30 million for Lallana because he is not worth it, to get these over inflated fees there have to be several clubs

battling it out to secure the player's services, doubt if that is the case with him.

 

Why do you persist with ignoring the realities? He is worth whatever we say he is. We dont need to sell him. We dont need the money. He is on a long contract. He will only be sold when someone pays what we ask, if not he stays put. Win win as others have said.

[shurlock]

It's a win win for saints then. Pool either cough up or Adam stays. If Adam can't be sold he either knuckles down and plays for saints or if he won't and becomes disruptive he spends the peak of his football career playing for the saints development squad. Either way the club hold all the cards....as long as they are prepared to play hardball.

 

Why does the club hold all the cards if he "becomes disruptive and spends the peak of his football career playing for the saints development squad?".

 

We're not benefiting financially or football-wise - that's a losing hand if you ask me.

[Batman]

Why does the club hold all the cards if he "becomes disruptive and spends the peak of his football career playing for the saints development squad?".

 

We're not benefiting financially or football-wise - that's a losing hand if you ask me.

 

When does a player ever spend real time in the reserves?

 

If Lallana does it get his move, he will come out with some guff about focusing on the season and that it was all media talk

 

He won't risk a future move and his England squad by sulking and refusing to out effort in

[Pancake]

Why does the club hold all the cards if he "becomes disruptive and spends the peak of his football career playing for the saints development squad?".

 

We're not benefiting financially or football-wise - that's a losing hand if you ask me.

 

Because a professional footballer "at the peak of their career" won't do that. It would damage them, any chance centre they have of a big move, their international chances...

[Heisenberg]

Sounds like we have offered AFCB £3m for his 25% share.

If we then get 25-30m for him id take it. Could replace him for 8-10m easy

Mathieu Valbuena for example CDAJFU if Adam moved on

[Window Cleaner]

When does a player ever spend real time in the reserves?

 

 

Never, not an England international anyway. If we do price him out of a move which is obviously desirable to him then the new manager will have a tough task in getting him back into the right state of mind for next season. I doubt that Lallana is an isolated case either, other players may want to leave, just the fact that they're not with the England squad means that there's less of a song and dance about them.

[shurlock]

When does a Ayer ever spend real time in the reserves?

 

Not my quote; doddisalegend's quote. I don't particularly buy it either.

 

However, the idea of player power wasn't conjured out of thin air. Clubs know they have more to lose than gain keeping disgruntled players -and so don't hold all the cards.

[adrian lord]

Can I ask what's the point of the club (SFC) is and what's the point of taking part in the competition that is the PL?

 

Serious question. My answer to that is basically - not very much.

 

Our very existence appears increasingly futile in the modern era.

[Batman]

Sounds like we have offered AFCB £3m for his 25% share.

If we then get 25-30m for him id take it. Could replace him for 8-10m easy

Mathieu Valbuena for example CDAJFU if Adam moved on

 

Valbuena is class

Where did you read about us offering to buy his sell on clause?

[LaptopSaint]

Loving the way the focus is shifting from 'the board are rubbish they're letting him go' to 'the board are rubbish they're making him stay'.

 

FFS

[Heisenberg]

Valbuena is class

Where did you read about us offering to buy his sell on clause?

 

See Guan's comments from yesterday -

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?50568-Latest-information&p=1959420#post1959420

 

His agent or Liverpool could remind Bournemouth that 100% of 3 million pounds is worth more than 25% of £0. Plus he could give up his 'Loyalty' bonus.

[shurlock]

Valbuena is class

Where did you read about us offering to buy his sell on clause?

 

Whether Valbuena would come is one thing; but don't think he's the right age profile given what Marseille would want for him.

 

Seems to have been around for ages.

[shurlock]

See Guan's comments from yesterday -

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?50568-Latest-information&p=1959420#post1959420

 

His agent or Liverpool could remind Bournemouth that 100% of 3 million pounds is worth more than 25% of £0. Plus he could give up his 'Loyalty' bonus.

 

Ok its a dreamed up hypothetical.

 

No different from Glasgow ITKery then

[Olallana]

If there´s gonna be a deal with Liverpool it will probably be player + cash, they will not spend £30m cash on him, or even £25m....

 

Dont really know who would fit in for us though looking realistically at the situation. Agger wouldn´t come here and has too high wages anyway....

Maybe, just maybe Luis Alberto but his value wouldn´t lower the cash part that much....

[Lallana's Left Peg]

Why on earth would we want Luis Alberto?

[Wes Tender]

I think that we ought to royally **** off the scouse gits and put in an offer for Alberto Moreno, who is a left back. They want about £16 million of him and we could pay that and still have about £14 change when Shaw goes.

[shurlock]

£17-18m + Borini

 

They'd probably refuse but it helps us minimise what we owe to Bournemouth.

[Baird of the land]

Anyone who thinks that Lallana is worth 30 million is deluding themselves....he is not, the problem is that we don't want to give

Bournemouth their ridiculous 25% cut out of our share. If that did not exist he'd be gone for about 20/22 million weeks back.

We will not get 30 million for Lallana because he is not worth it, to get these over inflated fees there have to be several clubs

battling it out to secure the player's services, doubt if that is the case with him.

 

We're in strong position as selling club because we neither desire, or financial need to sell or are in a contractually weak position. Fellaini maybe wasn't worth 27.5m but that's what Man United had to pay if they wanted to get Everton to part with him. For Lallana approaching the peak of his career, english, looking like a regular international starter there's no way in a million years 20/22 is an acceptable price for us to sell at. Bournemouth thing is no doubt concentrating minds that getting our valuation of 30m is essential.

[Heisenberg]

If there´s gonna be a deal with Liverpool it will probably be player + cash, they will not spend £30m cash on him, or even £25m....

 

Dont really know who would fit in for us though looking realistically at the situation. Agger wouldn´t come here and has too high wages anyway....

Maybe, just maybe Luis Alberto but his value wouldn´t lower the cash part that much....

 

José Enrique + Iago Aspas + Fabio Borini + £10m

[pap]

Why does the club hold all the cards if he "becomes disruptive and spends the peak of his football career playing for the saints development squad?".

 

We're not benefiting financially or football-wise - that's a losing hand if you ask me.

 

Depends on the long-term plan.

 

If we're looking to build a squad from the academy (or the proceeds thereof), this is an excellent opportunity to put a marker down. Yes, you can bid for our players, but no, we won't necessarily accept them.

 

The fact that Lallana appears to be pushing the move himself makes it even more of an occasion to do so. If it were down to me, he'd never get back in the first team without some kind of apology, even if it meant him playing four years of football in the development squad and finally arriving at the cool end of the M62 at the ripe old age of 30.

 

He has massively undermined the club at a time when it should be basking in the achievement of sending players to a World Cup. Until he acknowledges the damage he's done to the club and the fans, he can rot in the reserves. His wages are a small price to pay for the overall message it sends out.

[Halo Stickman]

This is starting to remind me of house sales that fall through as a result of people boxing themselves into corners through misplaced pride and sheer bloody-mindedness.

 

My gut instinct is for Saints to hold out for as large a fee as possible, but my head is cautioning against starting next season with a player that doesn’t want to be here – that’s no good for anyone.

 

Until the past week or so I was fully expecting Lallana to have a good WC, but now I’m not so sure – I doubt he’s fully focused. Also, if he has got a problem with his stamina – he rarely completes 90 mins – then I would think this is likely to be exposed in the heat and ferment of a WC in Brazil. Will the WC enhance or deflate his value?

 

In short, I don’t envy our board having to call this one.

[alpine_saint]

This is starting to remind me of house sales that fall through as a result of people boxing themselves into corners through misplaced pride and sheer bloody-mindedness.

 

My gut instinct is for Saints to hold out for as large a fee as possible, but my head is cautioning against starting next season with a player that doesn’t want to be here – that’s no good for anyone.

 

Until the past week or so I was fully expecting Lallana to have a good WC, but now I’m not so sure – I doubt he’s fully focused. Also, if he has got a problem with his stamina – he rarely completes 90 mins – then I would think this is likely to be exposed in the heat and ferment of a WC in Brazil. Will the WC enhance or deflate his value?

 

In short, I don’t envy our board having to call this one.

 

If he has a cacko WC he has to come back, pick himself up and rebuild his reputation. I think a bit of humilliation at the WC might do him some good.

[Leslie Charteris]

Gerrard, Rooney, Suarez and others have all wanted away from their club during a summer break. They all returned and played pretty well for their clubs when it didn't happen. This excerpt from the CIES Football observatory annual review http://www.football-observatory.com/IMG/pdf/ar2014_excerpt.pdf would suggest that Lallana's value is no more than £20m. So the club are saying "You can go, but only if we get the full 20 million." Good on them for that.

[Bucks Saint]

. Until the past week or so I was fully expecting Lallana to have a good WC, but now I’m not so sure – I doubt he’s fully focused.

 

Agreed but this is his / Roy's fault as much as anyones. Roy made it clear no transfer business / wholly England focus, but then has done nothing about it at all. AL should focus on playing well for England, then wait to meet the new SFC manager when he gets back and take it from there.

[Halo Stickman]

If he has a cacko WC he has to come back, pick himself up and rebuild his reputation. I think a bit of humilliation at the WC might do him some good.

 

I know what you’re saying Alps, but, at the end of the day, I’m more concerned about what’s good for the club rather than what’s good for Lallana. I want to start next season with a squad of players one hundred percent committed to Southampton FC – probably wishful thinking in this day and age, unfortunately.

[buctootim]

If he has a cacko WC he has to come back, pick himself up and rebuild his reputation. I think a bit of humilliation at the WC might do him some good.

 

Hard to know whats best for Saints. If Lallana has a storming WC his value will rise and other clubs may come in for him. If he's gack Liverpool might pull out - so we get to keep him, but he might be sullen, resentful and more like the player from three years ago as opposed to last season.

[CanadaSaint]

Agreed but this is his / Roy's fault as much as anyones. Roy made it clear no transfer business / wholly England focus, but then has done nothing about it at all. AL should focus on playing well for England, then wait to meet the new SFC manager when he gets back and take it from there.

 

Not only did he do nothing about it - he actually fuelled it with his omments about Rickie. It wasn't just us that saw those comments - Lallana saw them as well.

 

I'm really p*ssed off at Lallana too, but we need to take the steam out of this issue instead of making it worse. The end-game could involve anything, including Lallana still being a key Saints player next season.

[shurlock]

Gerrard, Rooney, Suarez and others have all wanted away from their club during a summer break. They all returned and played pretty well for their clubs when it didn't happen. This excerpt from the CIES Football observatory annual review http://www.football-observatory.com/IMG/pdf/ar2014_excerpt.pdf would suggest that Lallana's value is no more than £20m. So the club are saying "You can go, but only if we get the full 20 million." Good on them for that.

 

Kyle Walker £20m :lol:

[derry]

Not only did he do nothing about it - he actually fuelled it with his omments about Rickie. It wasn't just us that saw those comments - Lallana saw them as well.

 

I'm really p*ssed off at Lallana too, but we need to take the steam out of this issue instead of making it worse. The end-game could involve anything, including Lallana still being a key Saints player next season.

 

Bill, I'd like to see him go, the fee is better than he is.

[Wrensup]

Kyle Walker £20m :lol:

 

From the figures I had seen I thought hmmm the numbers seem to make some sense. But his has just blown it out the water as creditable hahaha!

[Window Cleaner]

Bill, I'd like to see him go, the fee is better than he is.

 

 

Indeed and we should not kill the golden goose for a ha'porth of tar.

[Window Cleaner]

Would love a deal that gave us Enrique and Borini + a decent amount of cash. £12m? Seems fair.

 

But we'll still have to give Bournemouth 25% of the total so the cash element will be sorely eroded. We'd end up with the 2 players (and their subsequently higher wage bill element) and about 5 million in cash. Not the sort of deal we should be considering really. 25 million outright, we give Bournemoth their share and buy a really good replacement for about 15... quids in.

[WokingSaint]

Depends on the long-term plan.

 

If we're looking to build a squad from the academy (or the proceeds thereof), this is an excellent opportunity to put a marker down. Yes, you can bid for our players, but no, we won't necessarily accept them.

 

The fact that Lallana appears to be pushing the move himself makes it even more of an occasion to do so. If it were down to me, he'd never get back in the first team without some kind of apology, even if it meant him playing four years of football in the development squad and finally arriving at the cool end of the M62 at the ripe old age of 30.

 

He has massively undermined the club at a time when it should be basking in the achievement of sending players to a World Cup. Until he acknowledges the damage he's done to the club and the fans, he can rot in the reserves. His wages are a small price to pay for the overall message it sends out.

 

This is the best post so far. Somebody has got to make a stand sometime. It should never be the case that you can sign a long term contract and then get out of it as soon as it suits you. Make him and any of the others come to heal is what I say. It may cause short term problems but will benefit Saints and the game in general in the long run.

[John B]

But we'll still have to give Bournemouth 25% of the total so the cash element will be sorely eroded. We'd end up with the 2 players (and their subsequently higher wage bill element) and about 5 million in cash. Not the sort of deal we should be considering really. 25 million outright, we give Bournemoth their share and buy a really good replacement for about 15... quids in.

 

I agree but I dont think Liverpool want to pay the full amount up front according to a couple of reports I have read

[CanadaSaint]

Bill, I'd like to see him go, the fee is better than he is.

 

Dave, I don't disagree with that. There was a reason why we failed to turn dominance into goals so often last season, and - for all his magical moments - Lallana was part of it. That said, we'd still have to replace him, and if I knew who his replacement would be I'd be more inclined to say "screw it, just let him go".

 

I'm concerned that too much anti-Lallana venom from our fans hands more cards to Liverpool and makes things worse if they pull out and leave him (and us) with zero options other than to stay. Yes, he would need to eat a big chunk of humble pie, which wouldn't be easy, but I'm just advocating taking the steam out of this.

[shurlock]

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