shurlock Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 (edited) What's the difference between Lambert and Lallana? Liverpool met our valuation for Lambert and a quick sale was completed without making Lambert look like a p***k. By contrast, Lallana gets plenty of stick just because he's the better player and he's valued higher. One is a hero; the other portrayed is a zero. Seems to be very little moral difference between the two players - except circumstances. After all, does anyone seriously believe that Lambert would have acted differently if we had rejected several Liverpool offers? Edited 2 June, 2014 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 After all, does anyone seriously believe that Lambert would have accepted differently if we had rejected several Liverpool offers? If he is really the great non-egotistical bloke and consummate professional that you have all been banging on about today, then yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 What's the difference between Lambert and Lallana? Liverpool met our valuation for Lambert and a quick sale was completed without making Lambert look like a p***k. By contrast, Lallana gets plenty of stick just because he's the better player and he's valued higher. One is a hero; the other portrayed is a zero. Seems to be very little moral difference between the two players - except circumstances. After all, does anyone seriously believe that Lambert would have accepted differently if we had rejected several Liverpool offers? Can't recall us trying to sell Lallana to West Ham in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 Can't recall us trying to sell Lallana to West Ham in January. What's that got to do with anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 What's the difference between Lambert and Lallana? Liverpool met our valuation for Lambert and a quick sale was completed without making Lambert look like a p***k. By contrast, Lallana gets plenty of stick just because he's the better player and he's valued higher. One is a hero; the other portrayed is a zero. Seems to be very little moral difference between the two players - except circumstances. After all, does anyone seriously believe that Lambert would have acted differently if we had rejected several Liverpool offers? If Lambert had thrown his toys out of the pram I would have thought he was a ***t as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 What's the difference between Lambert and Lallana? Liverpool met our valuation for Lambert and a quick sale was completed without making Lambert look like a p***k. By contrast, Lallana gets plenty of stick just because he's the better player and he's valued higher. One is a hero; the other portrayed is a zero. Seems to be very little moral difference between the two players - except circumstances. After all, does anyone seriously believe that Lambert would have accepted differently if we had rejected several Liverpool offers? Who knows how Lambert would have reacted? None of us. We can't judge him on something he hasn't done. Lallana is agitating for a move in the public eye and making the club's position weaker = c**ts behaviour from someone as senior and prominent as the team captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 I stick with what I said post 1558 on this thread, if he does indeed hand in a transfer request then it says more about the landscape at the club right now rather then Adam as a player and a person. You dont, for me, get that much of a change of heart and head if everything was rosie in the background Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 Lallana can want to leave but he needs to take on board LFC need to pay SFC valuation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 Do we have any direct quotes from Adam or is it just coming from Blackmore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 On another thread, Adam's father posed the question, if the lad is offered European football and to double his money what would you do? That is the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 What's with all this loyalty AL has allegedly shown. I can't remember a bid coming in for him before and him electing to turn it down and stay with us ! Premiership Wolves bid for him when we went down league 1, but he opted to sign a five year contract for us that kick started our change of fortunes. I have little doubt it was a big old contract, maybe as good as he could have got at Wolves, I have idea, but he stayed with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 I stick with what I said post 1558 on this thread, if he does indeed hand in a transfer request then it says more about the landscape at the club right now rather then Adam as a player and a person. You dont, for me, get that much of a change of heart and head if everything was rosie in the background You do when you get subjected to the England training camp regime and have people like Gerrard in your ear and from reading between the lines the England manager and probably coaching staff saying how much better you would be at a big club old son blah blah blah. Thats whats turned him, not some bloody faffing about from people like Reed and Ralph who he probably doesnt see from one day to the next ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 Clattenburg was indeed right as was Nicola Cortese's decision to ban the ECHO from St Mary's. Blackmore should be taken to court and forced to swear before the law the claims he has been making. If, as Captain, Lallana is really saying all that he's supposed to be saying as he has, and stirring up unrest within the club and Academy, then the club has grounds to take his case before the court. Maybe Liverpool should be aware he only plays a maximum of 70 minutes per game due to the injuries he's still struggling to regain full fitness with. I salute the club for maintaining the promise but curse Lallana for the childish behavior, selfishness and incapacity to maintain dignity and pride. May he lie awake, toss and turn throughout the World Cup and be ignored by Roy Hodgson. Adam, you will get your just desserts for being the scum bag that you've become., Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 On another thread, Adam's father posed the question, if the lad is offered European football and to double his money what would you do? That is the situation. 5 year contact, 4 years left to run. Liverpool don't want to pay us what we think he's worth. That is the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 What's that got to do with anything? We were happy to let Lambert leave then and were edging him out. That's the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 5 year contact, 4 years left to run. Liverpool don't want to pay us what we think he's worth. That is the situation. Yup. Life's a b*tch... Every last gram of respect I had for him has gone by him going to the BBC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 On another thread, Adam's father posed the question, if the lad is offered European football and to double his money what would you do? That is the situation. Perhaps Matt Le Tiss can answer that one for him??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/news/news/2012-13/apr/adam-lallana-signs-new-southampton-deal.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 5 year contact, 4 years left to run. Liverpool don't want to pay us what we think he's worth. That is the situation. Seems that way. If we do manage to hold firm and Liverpool don't up their offer we can't waste time congratulating ourselves though. Adam would give us his all as always but as captain he needs to have a healthy relationship with the manager and board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 What's the difference between Lambert and Lallana? Liverpool met our valuation for Lambert and a quick sale was completed without making Lambert look like a p***k. By contrast, Lallana gets plenty of stick just because he's the better player and he's valued higher. One is a hero; the other portrayed is a zero. Seems to be very little moral difference between the two players - except circumstances. : Contrast Adam's stance with Lovren's. Don't you think he wants to go and play for a bigger club and rumours are Liverpool are after him. Came out and said he's happy at Southampton, but that it was up to the club. Has gone off to the world cup and if reports are to be believed Liverpool will be back in for him when he gets back. Why cant Adam just concentrate on the World Cup and sort his future out afterwards, is it because he's so desperate to get away that he worries Liverpool will walk away. Why are they happy to attempt to sign Lovren after WC, but insist Adam is signed before or they'll walk away? I don't buy it, Liverpool and Adam are trying to box the board into a corner imo. Shut up and enjoy the WC and we'll talk when you get back, that is what the club should tell him. I would expect the club captain to announce that the only thing on his mind is the world cup and that he'll see what happens afterwards. Why cant he say he's happy and it's up to the club in public until things calm down, even if he does want to go desperately. It strikes me that he's putting pressure on the board when they are at their weakest and that is not becoming of the captain's position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 Clattenburg was indeed right as was Nicola Cortese's decision to ban the ECHO from St Mary's. Blackmore should be taken to court and forced to swear before the law the claims he has been making. If, as Captain, Lallana is really saying all that he's supposed to be saying as he has, and stirring up unrest within the club and Academy, then the club has grounds to take his case before the court. Maybe Liverpool should be aware he only plays a maximum of 70 minutes per game due to the injuries he's still struggling to regain full fitness with. I salute the club for maintaining the promise but curse Lallana for the childish behavior, selfishness and incapacity to maintain dignity and pride. May he lie awake, toss and turn throughout the World Cup and be ignored by Roy Hodgson. Adam, you will get your just desserts for being the scum bag that you've become., Your posts always cheer me up Art! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 5 year contact, 4 years left to run. Liverpool don't want to pay us what we think he's worth. That is the situation. Nail on head. He should have negotiated a buy-out figure or a CL bid clause, but he didn't because that would have cost him money on his deal. If we bottle this then Morgan, Lovren and a few others will know we are soft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 Adam Lallana, 27.05.2014 : http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/27581265 Adam Lallana, 02.06.2014 : http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/27674609 Whats happened in between ? The bloke has been brainwashed in the England training camp. Probably by at least Gerrard (maybe Lambert now joining in), at Rodgers behest, with Hodgsons approval. Time for the FA to grow a pair.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 On another thread, Adam's father posed the question, if the lad is offered European football and to double his money what would you do? That is the situation. He already earns a lot of money, tbf. I'm under no illusions. Lallana and Liverpool are made for each other. If they want him, come to a deal and pay the money. No sensible fan can have too much of a dispute with the Lambert, Puncheon or any of our recent transfers out. They all made sense and were done in the right way. This is a lot more difficult to take. We've provided the foundation for his success, he's in the final 23 for the WC, yet he publicly wants out against the club's and fans wishes. If I were in his shoes, what would I do? I'd be careful not to sh!t where I live or burn my bridges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 On another thread, Adam's father posed the question, if the lad is offered European football and to double his money what would you do? That is the situation.He did? Where was that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 Nail on head. He should have negotiated a buy-out figure or a CL bid clause, but he didn't because that would have cost him money on his deal. If we bottle this then Morgan, Lovren and a few others will know we are soft. Yup. Buy the excuse that Lambert was a special case if you will (I dont), but letting lallana go after this circus will really be the proverbial straw. A lot depending on the next few days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 Are we stopping him going, or is it Liverpool? If one believes what is leaked into the press, he is welcome to go if Liverpool stump up £30m. Also, if one was to believe the captain, he thinks that SFC should role over just for him and give him away on the cheap. I know football players aren't known for being overly intelligent, but do they have any concept of what a contract is? It's a two way thing, and while far too often players get their way by breaking them, that shouldn't be considered to be the norm as then these sort of situations wouldn't arise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 Nail on head. He should have negotiated a buy-out figure or a CL bid clause, but he didn't because that would have cost him money on his deal. If we bottle this then Morgan, Lovren and a few others will know we are soft. This really. No doubt he got more money for a five year deal than a two or three because the club knew it would increase the transfer fee they could demand. He cant pocket the money and then complain when the club hold out for top dollar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 Adam Lallana, 27.05.2014 : http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/27581265 Adam Lallana, 02.06.2014 : http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/27674609 Whats happened in between ? The bloke has been brainwashed in the England training camp. Probably by at least Gerrard (maybe Lambert now joining in), at Rodgers behest, with Hodgsons approval. Time for the FA to grow a pair.......... Never gonna happen. That would mean taking on the PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 On another thread, Adam's father posed the question, if the lad is offered European football and to double his money what would you do? That is the situation. He can go if he Liverpool match SFCs valuation. End of. Otherwise, hes going nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 Why is it always that the player should be able to leave as he has given x-amount of years service to a club. They don't play for free, FFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 Contrast Adam's stance with Lovren's. Don't you think he wants to go and play for a bigger club and rumours are Liverpool are after him. Came out and said he's happy at Southampton, but that it was up to the club. Has gone off to the world cup and if reports are to be believed Liverpool will be back in for him when he gets back. Why cant Adam just concentrate on the World Cup and sort his future out afterwards, is it because he's so desperate to get away that he worries Liverpool will walk away. Why are they happy to attempt to sign Lovren after WC, but insist Adam is signed before or they'll walk away? I don't buy it, Liverpool and Adam are trying to box the board into a corner imo. Shut up and enjoy the WC and we'll talk when you get back, that is what the club should tell him. I would expect the club captain to announce that the only thing on his mind is the world cup and that he'll see what happens afterwards. Why cant he say he's happy and it's up to the club in public until things calm down, even if he does want to go desperately. It strikes me that he's putting pressure on the board when they are at their weakest and that is not becoming of the captain's position. Perhaps but let's see what happens if and when a concrete offer for Lovren comes in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 Would handing in a transfer request cost him his signing on fee? Would assume Lambert agreed to waive any fee to push deal through, perhaps Adam isnt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 No quote from Adam so no story for me. He may well want to leave but until he goes formal and hands in a transfer request or goes to the papers with direct quotes I'm not buying it! I do expect he will probably go this could be his only opportunity to go to a top 4/5 club his stock is at it's highest right now but an average World Cup and a mediocre season next year and he will never know if he could have made it. Can't say I'm happy about it but I'm not buying into all the hatred and bile bring poured out on here. He is just a young man trying to make the most of his career and earn as much money for his family as possible just like the rest of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 Contrast Adam's stance with Lovren's. Don't you think he wants to go and play for a bigger club and rumours are Liverpool are after him. Came out and said he's happy at Southampton, but that it was up to the club. Has gone off to the world cup and if reports are to be believed Liverpool will be back in for him when he gets back. Why cant Adam just concentrate on the World Cup and sort his future out afterwards, is it because he's so desperate to get away that he worries Liverpool will walk away. Why are they happy to attempt to sign Lovren after WC, but insist Adam is signed before or they'll walk away? I don't buy it, Liverpool and Adam are trying to box the board into a corner imo. Shut up and enjoy the WC and we'll talk when you get back, that is what the club should tell him. I would expect the club captain to announce that the only thing on his mind is the world cup and that he'll see what happens afterwards. Why cant he say he's happy and it's up to the club in public until things calm down, even if he does want to go desperately. It strikes me that he's putting pressure on the board when they are at their weakest and that is not becoming of the captain's position. Extremely good post, agree with every word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 No direct quotes anywhere from AL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Crab Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 Contrast Adam's stance with Lovren's. Don't you think he wants to go and play for a bigger club and rumours are Liverpool are after him. Came out and said he's happy at Southampton, but that it was up to the club. Has gone off to the world cup and if reports are to be believed Liverpool will be back in for him when he gets back. Why cant Adam just concentrate on the World Cup and sort his future out afterwards, is it because he's so desperate to get away that he worries Liverpool will walk away. Why are they happy to attempt to sign Lovren after WC, but insist Adam is signed before or they'll walk away? I don't buy it, Liverpool and Adam are trying to box the board into a corner imo. Shut up and enjoy the WC and we'll talk when you get back, that is what the club should tell him. I would expect the club captain to announce that the only thing on his mind is the world cup and that he'll see what happens afterwards. Why cant he say he's happy and it's up to the club in public until things calm down, even if he does want to go desperately. It strikes me that he's putting pressure on the board when they are at their weakest and that is not becoming of the captain's position. Erm, Lovren is all over the Croation Broadcasting Corporation's website going on about a transfer request. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 Would handing in a transfer request cost him his signing on fee? Would assume Lambert agreed to waive any fee to push deal through, perhaps Adam isnt? It's the loyalty bonus and % of the transfer fee they loose, Wayne Bridge handed in a transfer request because he didn't 't want to take the clubs money which shows the class of the individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 Erm, Lovren is all over the Croation Broadcasting Corporation's website going on about a transfer request. Well the new manager is just going to have to be tough. No transfers ûntill January. I do hope the club put in a complaint about Liverpool and hogs sons england Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 Well the new manager is just going to have to be tough. No transfers ûntill January. I do hope the club put in a complaint about Liverpool and hogs sons england What the England manager that virtually had a season ticket at SMS last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 It's the loyalty bonus and % of the transfer fee they loose, Wayne Bridge handed in a transfer request because he didn't 't want to take the clubs money which shows the class of the individual. Used to be talk of 10% but not sure if its that big anymore. Buy hey even 1 or 2% of £25m even for a millionaire is probably not worth writing off in a hurry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madruss Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 What's the difference between Lambert and Lallana? Liverpool met our valuation for Lambert and a quick sale was completed without making Lambert look like a p***k. By contrast, Lallana gets plenty of stick just because he's the better player and he's valued higher. One is a hero; the other portrayed is a zero. Seems to be very little moral difference between the two players - except circumstances. After all, does anyone seriously believe that Lambert would have acted differently if we had rejected several Liverpool offers? The difference is that rickie has 1, maybe 2 years left as a prem quality player. This was the only chance he would ever get to play for his boyhood club and the CL. From saints' point of view, he would have needed replacing in the next year or so anyway. Adam on the other hand has 5-6 years of top quality prem service left to offer. He WILL get options to play in the CL, and will get offers from other attractive clubs. He is also very difficult to replace, and we need big money to compensate for that. I hope the club stand firm, even if it gets to transfer request stage. We owe Adam as much as he owes us. We helped him get to the world cup and become captain of a premier league team FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 Why are they happy to attempt to sign Lovren after WC, but insist Adam is signed before or they'll walk away? I think it's because they know Adam wants to go and they can use that to put the board under pressure. My (uninformed) impression with Lovren is that he's very happy here but might listen to offers. If Liverpool tried the same trick I imagine Lovren would shrug it off rather than go to the board looking for answers. Agree wholeheartedly with what you said about the captaincy though. Not nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint J 77 Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 No quote from Adam so no story for me. He may well want to leave but until he goes formal and hands in a transfer request or goes to the papers with direct quotes I'm not buying it! I do expect he will probably go this could be his only opportunity to go to a top 4/5 club his stock is at it's highest right now but an average World Cup and a mediocre season next year and he will never know if he could have made it. Can't say I'm happy about it but I'm not buying into all the hatred and bile bring poured out on here. He is just a young man trying to make the most of his career and earn as much money for his family as possible just like the rest of us. Its just greed though isn't it!? I am sure he and his family are very comfortable with what he is currently earning. I mean he has probably earn't more than most people will earn in their life time already. Any potential doubling of wages is just going to make him another very wealthy, over paid footballer with more money than sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 (edited) LOL at the "no quotes so it isn't real" head in the sand-ers. Now Adam Blackmore is the one to blame for unsettling talk. Have a word with yourselves. Lallana wants to go to Liverpool. He pretty much said at the Awards Dinner and in the Programme final game of the season that he was considering the thought of leaving. Edited 2 June, 2014 by Saint Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 I think it's because they know Adam wants to go and they can use that to put the board under pressure. My (uninformed) impression with Lovren is that he's very happy here but might listen to offers. If Liverpool tried the same trick I imagine Lovren would shrug it off rather than go to the board looking for answers. The report was that Lallana was phoning the board members individually to plead his case. That's totally different to seeking information or clarification through proper channels, and totally unprofessional Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 Nothing more than a PR gaff by his agent me thinks - a little dignified silence all round is required Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27674609 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 The report was that Lallana was phoning the board members individually to plead his case. That's totally different to seeking information or clarification, and totally unprofessional Which report do you mean? All I'd seen is that the board weren't answering his calls without any specifics about what he was calling for. I'm guessing if Reed ignores your calls then you'd try Krueger and so on. But if your heart's set on the move and you believe you've only got a few days to sort it I suppose people do all kinds of things. His choice of tone would be significant but we'll never know. If the board aren't communicating that could rile him. Nothing more than a PR gaff by his agent me thinks - a little dignified silence all round is required I doubt it was a mistake. Leaking his will to leave puts pressure on us to accept and, I suppose, Liverpool to up their bid if necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 The report was that Lallana was phoning the board members individually to plead his case. That's totally different to seeking information or clarification through proper channels, and totally unprofessional Which report said he was phoning individual board members to plead his case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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