Baird of the land Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 £30m represents Fabregas market value - obviously a team wants to get more than that and that's what we're attempting to do with Lallana. Anyone can throw figures around. There are unique circumstances around every player: Gotze for £30m, Silva for £25m, Cazorla for £15m, Shaqiri on the market for £15m and so on. If I wasn't a Saints fan, I would think £30m is quite a lot given what Lallana's achieved and his likely ceiling. 30m isn't Fabregas' market value. It's an artificial ceiling Fabregas' agent installed in his contract, no doubt to ensure he could move to the club of his choice. Liverpool fans may very well feel shaqiri for 15m represents much better value than Lallana for 30m. Lallana is a proven prem player, a good leader, on a long contract, english(so helps with homegrown rule) & in a league saturated with TV money vs a talented foreign player who may or may not adapt to prem league. I don't think club's value of 30m is crazy at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 30m isn't Fabregas' market value. It's an artificial ceiling Fabregas' agent installed in his contract, no doubt to ensure he could move to the club of his choice. Liverpool fans may very well feel shaqiri for 15m represents much better value than Lallana for 30m. Lallana is a proven prem player, a good leader, on a long contract, english(so helps with homegrown rule) & in a league saturated with TV money vs a talented foreign player who may or may not adapt to prem league. I don't think club's value of 30m is crazy at all. Agree with all that he's clearly worth between 25 and 30 million and if Liverpool want the deal done quick then they need to pay nearer the top end and if Adam is desperate to get it done then he should put in a transfer requests and waive his share of the fee and any loyalty bonus. Bridge did it properly when he went to Chelsea so why can't this generation do the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 30m isn't Fabregas' market value. It's an artificial ceiling Fabregas' agent installed in his contract, no doubt to ensure he could move to the club of his choice. Liverpool fans may very well feel shaqiri for 15m represents much better value than Lallana for 30m. Lallana is a proven prem player, a good leader, on a long contract, english(so helps with homegrown rule) & in a league saturated with TV money vs a talented foreign player who may or may not adapt to prem league. I don't think club's value of 30m is crazy at all. Again you fail to understand the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 So after reading everything I could find on here and twitter, I still don't know what the situation is with Lallana. Have we rejected all bids for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 So after reading everything I could find on here and twitter, I still don't know what the situation is with Lallana. Have we rejected all bids for him? The latest from Blackmore As things stand Liverpool's efforts to sign Adam Lallana before World Cup diminishing with #saintsfc board standing firm, as I write #LFC Supposedly they've offered £25m and set a deadline to wrap things up before the squad flies to Miami. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Unless there's a personal agreement in place to let Lallana go, there's no reason at all we'd let him go before the WC. If he does go, then IMO it's fairly clear we've known about it for a while. His value can only go up during the WC, not down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 http://t.co/KzyTQN3zZp Sunday Mirror reckons Spurs might offer cash plus Townsend for Lallana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Rees Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Can't see him wanting to go to Spurs even though Poch is there, and Liverpool looking likely to give up on him with rumours of them moving for Fabregas now.. I think we need to get a good new manager in quickly to try and settle everyone down and hold on to everyone until at least after WC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 ok..andros Townsend is a cracking player.. just can't see him agreeing to come to our ****e club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 He obviously wants to go to Liverpool, for CL football. Would be shocked if we went to Spurs, even with MP there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 (edited) http://t.co/KzyTQN3zZp Sunday Mirror reckons Spurs might offer cash plus Townsend for Lallana. We could definitely do worse if Lallana is going to leave. Depends how much cash though. He obviously wants to go to Liverpool, for CL football. Would be shocked if we went to Spurs, even with MP there. I doubt Liverpool are going to go above £25m so if they're true to their word and move on to other targets if we reject, Spurs are next in line. It would still be a good move but I do wonder whether it would be easier for him to spend another year with us, improve and go to Liverpool or another top club next summer. If he played out of his skin for Spurs and they still finished 5th he'd struggle to get away. Edited 31 May, 2014 by DuncanRG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 He wouldn't leave for anything other than CL football, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Maybe spurs are having a firesale too. Spurs are also ready to off-load Nacer Chadli, Gylfi Sigurdsson, Lewis Holtby and Michael Dawson this summer. Hugo Lloris and Roberto Soldado both likely to go for major transfer fees, while the futures of Jan Vertonghen, Etiene Capoue and Paulinho are all up in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 http://t.co/KzyTQN3zZp Sunday Mirror reckons Spurs might offer cash plus Townsend for Lallana. One legitimate way of minimising any fee to Bournemouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Maybe spurs are having a firesale too. Spurs are also ready to off-load Nacer Chadli, Gylfi Sigurdsson, Lewis Holtby and Michael Dawson this summer. Hugo Lloris and Roberto Soldado both likely to go for major transfer fees, while the futures of Jan Vertonghen, Etiene Capoue and Paulinho are all up in the air. Vertonghen and Townsend for Lallana. (Vertonghen wouldn't be particularly enthused about coming here, mind...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Vertonghen and Townsend for Lallana. (Vertonghen wouldn't be particularly enthused about coming here, mind...) Realistically, Sigurdsson would be a great addition for us.....if as expected, Morgan does leave, he'd be a nice replacement. Not like for like as such, but would add to the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Realistically, Sigurdsson would be a great addition for us.....if as expected, Morgan does leave, he'd be a nice replacement. Not like for like as such, but would add to the side. Yeah, I really like Sigurdsson as well. He was one of my favourite players in the league when he was at Swansea. In fact, yeah. I'd have him instead of Townsend. If Schneiderlin leaves though I'd probably leave central midfield to Wanyama and Cork and reinvest elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrZuess1979 the 2nd Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 ok..andros Townsend is a cracking player.. just can't see him agreeing to come to our ****e club Hummm Don't rate him to be honest One trick pony, and it didn't take teams long to figure him out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 oh well it's all about opinions, but he was class for spurs and England Before he got injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 oh well it's all about opinions, but he was class for spurs and England Before he got injured. He's the sort of player that is easy to defend against, once you know his strengths and most importantly his weaknesses. As people have said, pretty much a one trick pony, if he was any good he'd have made a real name for himself at Spurs after his early impact - but the fact he's now surplus kind of confirms they've sussed him too. But to be honest, the way this summer could go....he's another body we could put on the pitch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 He's the sort of player that is easy to defend against, once you know his strengths and most importantly his weaknesses. As people have said, pretty much a one trick pony, if he was any good he'd have made a real name for himself at Spurs after his early impact - but the fact he's now surplus kind of confirms they've sussed him too. But to be honest, the way this summer could go....he's another body we could put on the pitch! All depends on the new manager- I think the more technical the manager, the less likely he'd fit. Could probably do a job at a Villa or another direct counterattacking side. Reckon Harry will come back in for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubblyone Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Starting to wonder if Clattenburg was right you know Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 £30m represents Fabregas market value - obviously a team wants to get more than that and that's what we're attempting to do with Lallana. Anyone can throw figures around. There are unique circumstances around every player: Gotze for £30m, Silva for £25m, Cazorla for £15m, Shaqiri on the market for £15m and so on -all players who have achieved more than Lallana. If I wasn't a Saints fan, I would think £30m is quite a lot given what Lallana's achieved to date and his likely ceiling. You have to add at least £5m for being English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBenali Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Realistically, Sigurdsson would be a great addition for us.....if as expected, Morgan does leave, he'd be a nice replacement. Not like for like as such, but would add to the side. Swap deal for Dawson, Sigurdsson & Townsend would be one mighty way of getting round the 25% to Bournemouth - such deals are very rare indeed, but would certainly sort out some weak positions in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 (edited) You have to add at least £5m for being English. I hope the scousers do and realise that Mario Gotze and ilk represent much better value. Edited 31 May, 2014 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbyboy Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 If he doesn't want to stay, I wouldn't him to be forced to stay, esp if there's behind-the-scenes stuff between players and board/Reed. Id rather he was allowed to move if it's a question of him really not wanting to stay. But after all he's been through with us, I'd like to think he'd at least be OK staying. Hard to read between the lines right now... but if he wants out, let him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 I understand Adam wanting to play in champions league but i do feel a bit annoyed by the fact he one all those awards the other week . Voted by fans etc and that really does hit home if he has been contemplating this move for a while . It total devalues these awards . May now is the time to stop such award ceremonies if the players are going to leave . I know it's about the season past but it is still frustrating . I'm glad I didn't get my usual saints calendar this year . They would have all left come august . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 I'm sure myself that the Lambert move means Adam is off there as well. Gutted to see them go, but they've both done their bit for us here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 So, now the England team - and AL - are flying off to the World Cup today, does that mean that this transfer rumour will now come to an end? Obviously Liverpool would want to do a medical before signing on the dotted, which seeing as AL is going to be on another continent for a good three weeks isn't going to happen. Or, does it mean that a good world cup showing from AL would put another £10m on the price tag? Would that be considered as 'good business' or are we still up the creek without a paddle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 So, now the England team - and AL - are flying off to the World Cup today, does that mean that this transfer rumour will now come to an end? Obviously Liverpool would want to do a medical before signing on the dotted, which seeing as AL is going to be on another continent for a good three weeks isn't going to happen. Or, does it mean that a good world cup showing from AL would put another £10m on the price tag? Would that be considered as 'good business' or are we still up the creek without a paddle? It's positive that we seem to have stuck to our guns, it looked like we were being rolled over and tickled by Liverpool at one point. But maybe, just maybe...just maybe, they are learning and potentially understand that it's a no lose situation for us. Say no for now, Liverpool walk away. Has a storming WC, we then can demand £35m and we get more dollar. Or he doesn't have a great WC, no one comes back in and he stays as ours. Win, Win. Although he is off in my opinion, just a matter of time. We just want as much as we can get for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 So, now the England team - and AL - are flying off to the World Cup today, does that mean that this transfer rumour will now come to an end? Obviously Liverpool would want to do a medical before signing on the dotted, which seeing as AL is going to be on another continent for a good three weeks isn't going to happen. Or, does it mean that a good world cup showing from AL would put another £10m on the price tag? Would that be considered as 'good business' or are we still up the creek without a paddle? England are apparently quite happy to muck up their preps for liverpool's sakes and do medical in Miami( daily mail) After that we'll probably hear they are quite happy to do it in rio. Hodgson's I want everyone focused on England was just bs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 Hodgson, ex manager of Liverpool, failure. If I was a cynic, I might think that he is doing all he can to ingratiate himself with LFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 Hodgson, ex manager of Liverpool, failure. If I was a cynic, I might think that he is doing all he can to ingratiate himself with LFC. Hoping that maybe they'll allow him back into the director's box in future when he comes to watch a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 England are apparently quite happy to muck up their preps for liverpool's sakes and do medical in Miami( daily mail) After that we'll probably hear they are quite happy to do it in rio. Hodgson's I want everyone focused on England was just bs. It wasn't bs at all. He stated quite openly from the beginning that he had no problem with people doing medicals as long as it's in their own time. By own time he meant when he's given the squad time off or afternoons off etc. As long as they don't miss out on training or meetings etc then he doesn't give a **** what they do, and he's said that from the start. No idea why anyone thought any different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 How can Liverpool carry out Medicals on a player we haven't given permission to talk to let alone be allowed to speak to him . Liverpool are fast becoming as the joint two teams I hate the most . They are neck and neck with the spuds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintalan Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 Family off to Miami on separate flight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Crab Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 I've been told by a mate who works with Lallana's mate that Adam is only willing to stay at Saints if they bring in Tommy Widdrington as manager. Anyone else and he's gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 (edited) Great news - Spurs say they don't intend to bid for Lallana! SSN. One battle won and the first nail in MP's coffin already from Levy?! Just need to tell the scousers where to go now!! Edited 1 June, 2014 by SaintRobbie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 It's positive that we seem to have stuck to our guns, it looked like we were being rolled over and tickled by Liverpool at one point. But maybe, just maybe...just maybe, they are learning and potentially understand that it's a no lose situation for us. Say no for now, Liverpool walk away. Has a storming WC, we then can demand £35m and we get more dollar. Or he doesn't have a great WC, no one comes back in and he stays as ours. Win, Win. Although he is off in my opinion, just a matter of time. We just want as much as we can get for him. Hang on - perhaps we should just keep our captain and not sell an irreplaceable player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 Great news - Spurs say they don't intend to bid for Lallana! SSN. One battle won and the first nail in MP's coffin already from Levy?! Just need to tell the scouters where to go now!! unsurprising, they don't need him, they in fact have better players in his role, Erikssen and Lamela (if MP can get something out of the latter that is). Personally I can't see what any top 4 side want with Lallana, there is better for less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 I wonder how long it will take for the Scallies up there to make Adam feel at home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 Surely the Spurs story is yet another "Sky Sources" leak from Liverpool with the aim of persuading us that we won't be getting a better offer than theirs. They want to get the deal wrapped up ASAP. Thought that was obviously whats at play with this story? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 How can Liverpool carry out Medicals on a player we haven't given permission to talk to let alone be allowed to speak to him . Liverpool are fast becoming as the joint two teams I hate the most . They are neck and neck with the spuds You don't hate p*mpey?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 Blakey . In my world skates dont exist . Yeah I know what you mean . I despise the cheating skates . Add them to the top of my list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 1 June, 2014 Author Share Posted 1 June, 2014 I fully understand that Liverpool want to strengthen their challenge to win the league title next season. This is football and we should be flattered. We can say no though, it is easy. No! They seem to be after the best English players and we have a few of them. Spurs will be in for our last striker... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 1 June, 2014 Author Share Posted 1 June, 2014 Oh and for the record, I think I only truly hate the skates! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 Blakey . In my world skates dont exist . Yeah I know what you mean . I despise the cheating skates . Add them to the top of my list Great answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 Adam Blackmore has tweeted this link, saying it's an update on Lallana saga. I can't actually read it because it's behind a paywall. thetim.es/1n1e8Ec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 F**k Adam Blackmore, that guy's just stirring sh!t up at the moment. Really can't see anything happening re. Lallana & Shaw until after the World Cup now, just can't see clubs flying medical professionals over to Miami/Rio to administer medicals etc. and can't see players taking a 20 hour round-trip flight back to do a medical and then return to the US/Brazil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 F**k Adam Blackmore, that guy's just stirring sh!t up at the moment. Really can't see anything happening re. Lallana & Shaw until after the World Cup now, just can't see clubs flying medical professionals over to Miami/Rio to administer medicals etc. and can't see players taking a 20 hour round-trip flight back to do a medical and then return to the US/Brazil. Has been suggested that the clubs will fly their medical staff over to them has been ok'd by england and the clubs - but only whilst they're in miami. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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