Batman Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 no wonder we have so many foreigners playing in England going by a couple of these valuations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint77 Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 he must have changed because my friend who worked with him from his early days told me he was a Liverpool fan and always wanted to play for them Everton fan I believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 He went to an Everton game at WHL when we were in the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 He has said on several occasions he grew up as an Everton fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 If he decides to go I will be sad, but will wish him all the best. Being at the top in football is a short-term, fleeting thing; he should chase whatever his dream is. MLT was one of the best players this nation ever produced, and will always be a massive hero for us because he stuck by us, but it isnt paying his bills now, and he never got a fair crack at honours or England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThorpG Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 If he decides to go I will be sad, but will wish him all the best. Being at the top in football is a short-term, fleeting thing; he should chase whatever his dream is. MLT was one of the best players this nation ever produced, and will always be a massive hero for us because he stuck by us, but it isnt paying his bills now, and he never got a fair crack at honours or England. Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted 22 May, 2014 Share Posted 22 May, 2014 A few people have mentioned it's down to whether Liverpool can meet Saints' valuation of Lallana. Others have said we need to see what the new TV deal does to transfer fees before deciding anything. A somewhat basic look at the TV deal shows that we'd need way more that Liverpool are offering to compensate the loss of Lallana. Finishing 8th earned us £7.5 million more than finishing 14th (our previous season's finish) would have done. Even finishing three places lower would have been worth nearly £4 million less to us. It's not unreasonable to think we'd have finished 11th rather than 8th without Lallana. In simplistic terms say we sell Lallana and finish 11th for the next four seasons (the remainder of Lallana's current contract) rather than 8th. That would cost us £14,832,996 in TV prize money alone (without considering any future increases in the TV money). If Lallana stayed and helped us gain three places in the league each season, it'd be just as beneficial to us financially if we let him run down his current contract to leave for free than selling him for £20,000,000 (with Bournemouth's sell on clause) . Even worse, say we sell Lallana and others and just about survive against relegation each year. Finishing just outside the relegation zone each year would leave us £11 million worse off per season compared to finishing eighth. That soon adds up. By my maths we shouldn't currently sell Lallana for anything less than £60 million. Match that Liverpool! I'm sure each team has some pretty clever accountants, but teams that manage to understand the TV figures the quickest could make a killing in the transfer market! It's the perfect time to be buying players, not selling. It would definitely make sense to hold onto the crown jewels for at least another year before selling, especially given the length of their contracts. Transfers fees could suddenly double or triple and all of a sudden we'll find ourselves having to bid £80,000,000 to buy Danny Rose as a replacement for £30,000,000 Luke Shaw. TV money figures: https://twitter.com/premierleague/status/466572990562725890/photo/1 That's the first time I've looked at it like that. It's a contrarian view but actually I think it's entirely valid and got a fairly good chance of being how it will be. Adam is not worth £25m to Liverpool but he IS worth £50m + to us. We should look at it like that and do whatever is necessary to keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Beer Posted 27 May, 2014 Share Posted 27 May, 2014 A comment from Lallana yesterday i feel was quite telling: "Lallana, who was speaking on behalf of Vauxhall the England Team Sponsor, said: "Whether my future gets sorted before or after the World Cup makes no difference to me. "I am just fully focused on doing well for England and performing as well as I can." He has 4 years left on his contract, why would he worry about his future being sorted before or after the world cup ? The only reason i can see is he is thinking about moving. Apart from Lovern, not one player has said "'I'm happy at saints, i'm not moving". What with Poch, must admit i'm getting pretty disillusioned by it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Beer Posted 27 May, 2014 Share Posted 27 May, 2014 To add to that comment, this all but confirms: Lallana's most likely destination looks to be Liverpool and the 26-year-old said he was eager to test himself in the UEFA Champions League. "I'm ambitious. I have aspirations to play in the Champions League," he said. "Ever since I've played international football, you realise there's that other level to play at. It would be great. "I went to a couple of the Champions League games last year and the feeling you get, the buzz, it's an unbelievable atmosphere. It's definitely a goal of mine to play in the Champions League." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 27 May, 2014 Share Posted 27 May, 2014 Just because a player wants to go doesn't mean he definitely will. Valuation for a start. Plenty of players' dream moves have been scuppered. Adam wouldn't even be a sulker like imagine Suarez would have been after last summer and that turned out ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 27 May, 2014 Share Posted 27 May, 2014 The ever reliable football direct news claims Lallana is undergoing a medical on Thursday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tttdcs Posted 27 May, 2014 Share Posted 27 May, 2014 The ever reliable football direct news claims Lallana is undergoing a medical on Thursday. If he is going, I wish our board will grow some balls and not roll over immediately. One small parcel of mercy would be to see Shaw & Lallana compete in the world cup as Saints players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 27 May, 2014 Share Posted 27 May, 2014 If he is going, I wish our board will grow some balls and not roll over immediately. Surely if they had rolled over immediately both Lallana and Shaw would already be gone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 27 May, 2014 Share Posted 27 May, 2014 If he is going, I wish our board will grow some balls and not roll over immediately. One small parcel of mercy would be to see Shaw & Lallana compete in the world cup as Saints players. they will anyway because of the window for the officialisation of transfers. We'll get all the FIFA hand out money for them as well. With 6 players we'll get a relatively tidy sum, exactly how much depends on how far each side go in the competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 27 May, 2014 Share Posted 27 May, 2014 Surely if they had rolled over immediately both Lallana and Shaw would already be gone? just now we're asking for more than clubs are willing to pay, not really rolling over, may change when they all start handing in their written requests. By all account Van Gaal has torn up Utd's transfer list and is insisting on a shedload of Dutch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 28 May, 2014 Share Posted 28 May, 2014 Obviously those comments could've been taken out of context, but he sounds pretty much gone to me. Next up out the door: Shaw, then Schneiderlin I'd imagine, hopefully there won't be anymore after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 28 May, 2014 Share Posted 28 May, 2014 Obviously those comments could've been taken out of context, but he sounds pretty much gone to me. Next up out the door: Shaw, then Schneiderlin I'd imagine, hopefully there won't be anymore after that. If it was just those three and we brought in say 70m then is that really bad business? We could get a decent LB (or play Clyne there), a top notch or young AM (Shaqiri, Will Hughes), a striker and a CB. Pick up a decent CM as back up. It needn't be the end of the world. Plus of course whoever we bring as manager (Yakin for example) may be very aware of his own list of players. Raiding Basel wouldn't be all bad, they have some terrific players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 28 May, 2014 Share Posted 28 May, 2014 If it was just those three and we brought in say 70m then is that really bad business? We could get a decent LB (or play Clyne there), a top notch or young AM (Shaqiri, Will Hughes), a striker and a CB. Pick up a decent CM as back up. It needn't be the end of the world. Plus of course whoever we bring as manager (Yakin for example) may be very aware of his own list of players. Raiding Basel wouldn't be all bad, they have some terrific players Or we could sign another batch of flops like Osvaldo, Ramirez, Mayuka and Forren.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holbury Saint Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 I can categorically confirm that lallana is leaving. I know someone who is a friend of lallanas dad who has confirmed that he is going to Liverpool and the deal already agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 I can categorically confirm that lallana is leaving. I know someone who is a friend of lallanas dad who has confirmed that he is going to Liverpool and the deal already agreed Thanks for the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 I can categorically confirm that lallana is leaving. I know someone who is a friend of lallanas dad who has confirmed that he is going to Liverpool and the deal already agreed can't be right though can it, we haven't consulted the new manager about it yet, he might put his veto on it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 I can categorically confirm that lallana is leaving. I know someone who is a friend of lallanas dad who has confirmed that he is going to Liverpool and the deal already agreed Cheers for the info - any idea why it hasn't been announced? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teacher Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Thanks for the info. I have a friend ,who is a friend of a person who owns a dog, that chased the cat of a person that once owned a hamster bought from a shop near where Adam lives. Anyway he knows nothing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Cheers for the info - any idea why it hasn't been announced? cos Ralphy says it hasn't happened that's why, get caught with your trousers down once...well it's only good old Rickie, who'd deny him a last fling at his boyhood club...we're the good guys remember.Get caught veiling the truth over Lallana a few hours later...well people have been hung,drawn and quartered for less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Cheers for the info - any idea why it hasn't been announced? ralphy says nothing will happen until a new manager says so or until, the wives give the game away on social media Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holbury Saint Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 I have a friend ,who is a friend of a person who ownperson who told me this is my boss dog, that chased the cat of a person that once owned a hamster bought from a shop near where Adam lives. Anyway he knows nothing! I knew someone would post something like that. I would think the same. The person who told me this is my boss and he is not a bullsh** er Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 cos Ralphy says it hasn't happened that's why, get caught with your trousers down once...well it's only good old Rickie, who'd deny him a last fling at his boyhood club...we're the good guys remember.Get caught veiling the truth over Lallana a few hours later...well people have been hung,drawn and quartered for less. Well if it's a fait accompli simply to be rubber stamped by the new manager to maintain the pretence of authority, I'll be mightily f**ked off. Prefer to give them the benefit of the doubt for the time being - incompetent probably yes, cynical no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goneawol Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Liverpool test Southampton’s resolve with £25m bid for Adam Lallana http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/30/liverpool-adam-lallana-southampton-25m-new-bid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Liverpool test Southampton’s resolve with £25m bid for Adam Lallana http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/30/liverpool-adam-lallana-southampton-25m-new-bid Deal will be done, negotiating at the min and eventually they will come to an agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Neel Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Deal will be done, negotiating at the min and eventually they will come to an agreement. He would be better off following Poch to Spurs - the pressing game suits him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Oh god I hope not. I really hope not. And without a new manager to make an assessment. Whats more he's not even had a chance to add £3-4m by scoring in the WC. These clowns are going to be made to look foolish again by Liverpool. THERE IS NO RUSH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Tony Barrett @TonyBarretTimes 7m Liverpool's bid for Lallana has been increased to £25m. They now want the deal done quickly or will move on to other targets. Oh look, Liverpool wheeling out the method they used to bully the club into selling Lambert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/30/rickie-lambert-transfer-start-mass-exodus-southampton And this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Oh look, Liverpool wheeling out the method they used to bully the club into selling Lambert. Exactly but will Saints Board have learned from their foolishness. WE DONT NEED TO SELL AND MUST NOT UNTIL OUR NEW MANAGER HAS MADE HIS ASSESSMENT. Let them move on to other targets! Please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Oh look, Liverpool wheeling out the method they used to bully the club into selling Lambert. Indeed, let them move onto other targets. We shouldn't want to sell lallana anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 That offer is fair value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 That offer is fair value. Except we couldn't guarantee replacing him for that money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 I still do not know but Terry Paine says he is likely to go. I expect him to go if Liverpool have upped their bid to £25M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downthe36 Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 That offer is fair value. Hi Ralph. Don't know how many times I have to say this, an offer is only fair value if you can reasonably expect to replace what you have lost with the money gained. We won't be able to, particularly as I have serious reservations whether the board will re-invest even close to the whole amount gained. There's a handful of players as good as Lallana in his role, and guess what, none of them are going to want to come here in the midst of us selling all our best talent. We'll have to gamble on an up and comer, and probably pay over the odds in wages to pursuade them to come (sound familiar?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 £25m is still under £20m in our pocket.....not enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 That offer is fair value. No it ain't. I see no issue with our 30m valuation. Even rejecting that valuation is perfectly reasonable as we should severely limit the number of departures this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Except we couldn't guarantee replacing him for that money. We might - we might not. We might even come out on top. Just saying for a player who's intent on leaving, that's closer to his fair value, even with the fee to Bournemouth. Unlike Lambert of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 (edited) We all know he is going. But 25m not enough considering the Bmth clause which leaves us with under 20m, a crazy figure for our Captain, on long contract and off the back of being voted by fellow pros onto the POTY shortlist. Lets at least stand up for ourselves on this one and not be bullied again by Liverpool. Edited 30 May, 2014 by Saint Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Hi Ralph. Don't know how many times I have to say this, an offer is only fair value if you can reasonably expect to replace what you have lost with the money gained. We won't be able to, particularly as I have serious reservations whether the board will re-invest even close to the whole amount gained. There's a handful of players as good as Lallana in his role, and guess what, none of them are going to want to come here in the midst of us selling all our best talent. We'll have to gamble on an up and comer, and probably pay over the odds in wages to pursuade them to come (sound familiar?). Obviously I want to hold out for as much as possible but we stand a much better chance of replacing him than we do Lambert. The reality is that the lad is intent on leaving -that resolve will have only been stiffened by this week's events which I'm critical of. At one point pragmatism has to enter the picture. If we had to settle for £25m minus the fee to Bournemouth, I wouldn't see as a one-sided i.e. unfair deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 The point is that if he goes it must be based on an informed managerial decision - and an informed decision is not unlikely before January. So lets keep him, see what the manager thinks and if he still wants to move then let him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Obviously I want to hold out for as much as possible but we stand a much better chance of replacing him than we do Lambert. The reality is that the lad is intent on leaving -that resolve will have only been stiffened by this week's events. So at one point pragmatism has to enter the picture. If we had to settle for £25m minus the fee to Bournemouth, I wouldn't see as a one-sided i.e. unfair deal. Sorry completely disagree. 30m should be our red line in the sand at bare minimum. Also don't think we can afford to let the exits become a stampede so we have to be tough in regards who we allow to go and ignore the players feelings. 2 seasons ago Swansea did great. They sold Allen but they didn't sell michu, William's, Taylor, vorm etcetera who were all coveted by other clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 So I guess the Lambert transfer was just a kind of bigger picture, negotiation red herring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Come on saints board reject liverpool's supposed cheeky final offer. Might gain you some respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Sorry completely disagree. 30m should be our red line in the sand at bare minimum. Also don't think we can afford to let the exits become a stampede so we have to be tough in regards who we allow to go and ignore the players feelings. 2 seasons ago Swansea did great. They sold Allen but they didn't sell michu, William's, Taylor, vorm etcetera who were all coveted by other clubs. Look I want to hold out for as much as possible but our hand is significantly weaker than it was a week ago. If Poch was still around and there were reasons to think Lallana might want to stay, we would have much more leverage. But that's gone and we have a player whose head is increasingly elsewhere. Any final deal has to be evaluated against these constraints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Hate this nonsense about not wanting to keep an unhappy player. Suarez wanted to go to arsenal last summer but Liverpool wouldn't let him and he didn't sulk on the pitch. If the deal doesn't match what saints want or if saints don't feel selling is in their interests now they are perfectly in their rights to fig their heels in and say come back next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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