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Liverpool linked in papers with Pedro and Milner today. Moving on from Ads or just more press making up rumours?

 

Would really love a league table, say once a month, of all the transfer stories in all the main papers, ranked by how many have turned out to be true. The top 3 would have laughably low scores

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Liverpool linked in papers with Pedro and Milner today. Moving on from Ads or just more press making up rumours?

 

Pushing us into taking their offer, sadly. And with the morons we've got in charge, we'll be hardballed into doing so.

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Myself & a work colleague both know different people who are on Lallana's stag in Miami. We've both been told the Liverpool deal has been agreed in principal, just need to agree a fee and arrange for a medical once England are back from their training camp. If this is true unsure if it'll be announced before or after the WC but I'd imagine the former to a) stop the speculation whilst he's in Brazil and b) the fact it's quite a big story to try and keep a secret!

 

Make of it what you will etc etc.

Lallana is on a stag in Miami, i thought he was with the England squad! Has he been given special dispensation not to go with England/
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Lallana is on a stag in Miami, i thought he was with the England squad! Has he been given special dispensation not to go with England/

 

Lallana's stag do is happening now in Miami. Adam Lallana is with the England squad. Pretty common knowledge now.

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Saints have no reason to sell Lallana. He is under contract so is dependent on the club giving him the opportunity of playing his football at a higher club level.

 

He has been a magnificent and loyal servant to Saints and still loves them to bits. He is very happy here BUT he is 26 and just got into the England side. He needs the next level and will not get it here for a few years at least, if ever.

 

Put yourself in his place. Say double salary, Champions League football etc. Just say he decides to stay and years later reflects. Would he regret the opportunity was missed?

 

It is a difficult time for the lad, decision wise. The club may have had a bid and may have turned it down indicating a minimum transfer fee knowing that they should not stand in his way for the right fee. If Liverpool then go elsewhere the club win, the supporters win and Adam can look back and say the opportunity never reached a decision stage.

 

For me it is in the hands of the club. They have an equally difficult decision.

 

One part of me desperately wants him to stay but another part says he needs to go to fulfil his undoubted potential at a higher level. I think Adam father hold similar views.

 

Let me again reiterate, I have not discussed this with his father or anyone else close since the last day of the season when there was no confirmation of any interest from Liverpool or anywhere else but a suspicion that something unknown was rumbling behind the scenes.

 

It is my opinion, and mine alone so please do not read anything into it, I am not ITK, that if Liverpool make an offer in comparison to the club valuation and the terms meet Adams aspirations he will move.

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Saints have no reason to sell Lallana. He is under contract so is dependent on the club giving him the opportunity of playing his football at a higher club level.

 

He has been a magnificent and loyal servant to Saints and still loves them to bits. He is very happy here BUT he is 26 and just got into the England side. He needs the next level and will not get it here for a few years at least, if ever.

 

Put yourself in his place. Say double salary, Champions League football etc. Just say he decides to stay and years later reflects. Would he regret the opportunity was missed?

 

It is a difficult time for the lad, decision wise. The club may have had a bid and may have turned it down indicating a minimum transfer fee knowing that they should not stand in his way for the right fee. If Liverpool then go elsewhere the club win, the supporters win and Adam can look back and say the opportunity never reached a decision stage.

 

For me it is in the hands of the club. They have an equally difficult decision.

 

One part of me desperately wants him to stay but another part says he needs to go to fulfil his undoubted potential at a higher level. I think Adam father hold similar views.

 

Let me again reiterate, I have not discussed this with his father or anyone else close since the last day of the season when there was no confirmation of any interest from Liverpool or anywhere else but a suspicion that something unknown was rumbling behind the scenes.

 

It is my opinion, and mine alone so please do not read anything into it, I am not ITK, that if Liverpool make an offer in comparison to the club valuation and the terms meet Adams aspirations he will move.

If the club sell so be it, as long as we keep MP and he is happy that the club sell and we use some of those funds to replace I can handle that.

I think a lot of AL but until he learns how to put his foot through the ball and get power in hs shots he will never make the next level. Yes he is superb in all his other attributes but to be a real top player you need to be able to strike the ball

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Saints have no reason to sell Lallana. He is under contract so is dependent on the club giving him the opportunity of playing his football at a higher club level.

 

He has been a magnificent and loyal servant to Saints and still loves them to bits. He is very happy here BUT he is 26 and just got into the England side. He needs the next level and will not get it here for a few years at least, if ever.

 

Put yourself in his place. Say double salary, Champions League football etc. Just say he decides to stay and years later reflects. Would he regret the opportunity was missed?

 

It is a difficult time for the lad, decision wise. The club may have had a bid and may have turned it down indicating a minimum transfer fee knowing that they should not stand in his way for the right fee. If Liverpool then go elsewhere the club win, the supporters win and Adam can look back and say the opportunity never reached a decision stage.

 

For me it is in the hands of the club. They have an equally difficult decision.

 

One part of me desperately wants him to stay but another part says he needs to go to fulfil his undoubted potential at a higher level. I think Adam father hold similar views.

 

Let me again reiterate, I have not discussed this with his father or anyone else close since the last day of the season when there was no confirmation of any interest from Liverpool or anywhere else but a suspicion that something unknown was rumbling behind the scenes.

 

It is my opinion, and mine alone so please do not read anything into it, I am not ITK, that if Liverpool make an offer in comparison to the club valuation and the terms meet Adams aspirations he will move.

 

I don't think anyone has a problem if that is his current position, nor would anyone begrudge him a move if a deal was done. He needs to respect the fact he signed a 5 year deal last year though and therefore the only way a deal is done is if Liverpool match our valuation, however high that valuation may be. And if we price him out of that move then he needs to remember his words when he signed that very big contract:

 

"If someone was to say that I'd end my career playing for Southampton in the Premier League then I'd snap your hand off for it."

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Good post Ron

 

and like you I want Adam to stay, I know the dillema he must be facing. and its a difficult choice to make

I have coached a number of junior hockey players who I nurtured along , really execellent players, I kept then in the team for a couple of years but I could see they needed to be playing at the top level so they could put all the skills anf techniques together so they went to another club, They did ask me which club i thought would be better for their development, and I hope that if Adam is to leave for going to the next level he chooses a club that will develop him accordingly and not one that just pays top dollar

 

On a positive note a couple of the lasses that went to other clubs are now back with the team I coach , why because we play attractive hockey and are now in the top three teams instead of a mid table team, and playing exciting hockey, bit like saints on the football pitch

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Also worth remembering that this season, Cardiff got more money for finishing bottom that Man Utd did the season before for winning it.

 

There's been a sea-change in the English transfer market and no-one knows what a good price is yet.

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Saints have no reason to sell Lallana. He is under contract so is dependent on the club giving him the opportunity of playing his football at a higher club level.

 

He has been a magnificent and loyal servant to Saints and still loves them to bits. He is very happy here BUT he is 26 and just got into the England side. He needs the next level and will not get it here for a few years at least, if ever.

 

Put yourself in his place. Say double salary, Champions League football etc. Just say he decides to stay and years later reflects. Would he regret the opportunity was missed?

It is a difficult time for the lad, decision wise. The club may have had a bid and may have turned it down indicating a minimum transfer fee knowing that they should not stand in his way for the right fee. If Liverpool then go elsewhere the club win, the supporters win and Adam can look back and say the opportunity never reached a decision stage.

 

For me it is in the hands of the club. They have an equally difficult decision.

 

One part of me desperately wants him to stay but another part says he needs to go to fulfil his undoubted potential at a higher level. I think Adam father hold similar views.

 

Let me again reiterate, I have not discussed this with his father or anyone else close since the last day of the season when there was no confirmation of any interest from Liverpool or anywhere else but a suspicion that something unknown was rumbling behind the scenes.

 

It is my opinion, and mine alone so please do not read anything into it, I am not ITK, that if Liverpool make an offer in comparison to the club valuation and the terms meet Adams aspirations he will move.

 

Of course there could be regrets about 'opportunities missed'. However, it works both ways. What if he moves to Liverpool (a team that has just got in the Champions League for the first time in five years), they get knocked out of the Champions League at the first hurdle and don't make it back for another five years? Tottenham only managed to qualify for one season. Would it then still be worth giving up captaining your boyhood club?

 

What if he ends up not playing regularly and so isn't able to progress at the rate he currently is at Southampton? What if he doesn't have the same relationship with the Liverpool fans he has with the Saints fans? Lots of talented young English players have moved to Champions League clubs and found their careers have stagnated.

 

Saints are a young team, improving year on year, growing up together. Playing for Saints appears to be no hindrance to playing in the England team. He could just as easily have regrets about leaving something that's pretty amazing right now.

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I know it's one of the red tops that has been **** stirring, but (not sure the article has been posted) http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/379944/Liverpool-won-t-break-the-bank-to-sign-Southampton-star-Adam-Lallana And then later in the article the say "Liverpool have targeted £8m-rated Lovren". £8m are these guys really serious about journalism?

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Pushing us into taking their offer, sadly. And with the morons we've got in charge, we'll be hardballed into doing so.

 

Keep it on topic Crab Lungs there's a good chap. 100% Lallana transfer news in here not unsubstantiated claims regarding the ability of the current senior officials. I am sure there are one or two threads already discussing this particular topic.

 

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According to the gossip column on the Beeb this morning, the deal has hit a glitch because Liverpool wont match our valuation.

 

Typical Scousers. Its either never miss an opportunity to steal, ot its "We are Liverpool, we are entitled to have your player given to us".

 

And there was me thinking a Liverpool title would freshen up the mix at the top of English football. A 2nd place after choking, and we are right back in the arrogant self-righteousness of the 80s....

 

Jumping to a lot of conclusions there based on what you have just admitted was the gossip section. You wouldn't want Saints to go in and pay asking price for a player without negotiating would you? So why expect any other club not to haggle?

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Saints have no reason to sell Lallana. He is under contract so is dependent on the club giving him the opportunity of playing his football at a higher club level.

 

He has been a magnificent and loyal servant to Saints and still loves them to bits. He is very happy here BUT he is 26 and just got into the England side. He needs the next level and will not get it here for a few years at least, if ever.

 

Put yourself in his place. Say double salary, Champions League football etc. Just say he decides to stay and years later reflects. Would he regret the opportunity was missed?

 

It is a difficult time for the lad, decision wise. The club may have had a bid and may have turned it down indicating a minimum transfer fee knowing that they should not stand in his way for the right fee. If Liverpool then go elsewhere the club win, the supporters win and Adam can look back and say the opportunity never reached a decision stage.

 

For me it is in the hands of the club. They have an equally difficult decision.

 

One part of me desperately wants him to stay but another part says he needs to go to fulfil his undoubted potential at a higher level. I think Adam father hold similar views.

 

Let me again reiterate, I have not discussed this with his father or anyone else close since the last day of the season when there was no confirmation of any interest from Liverpool or anywhere else but a suspicion that something unknown was rumbling behind the scenes.

 

It is my opinion, and mine alone so please do not read anything into it, I am not ITK, that if Liverpool make an offer in comparison to the club valuation and the terms meet Adams aspirations he will move.

 

Just confirms my suspicion - this is in the hands of the club to balls up...

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i think Lovren is more important than the other 2 leaving.If the club sold Lovren for the 8m quoted it would be madness. We NEED to keep him

 

 

It's not long since Adam Blackmore said he'd heard we'd rejected a £15 million bid for Lovren from Liverpool. (Though to be fair he also said he had no proof)

 

i do not see there is any chance whatsoever of us selling him for £8million

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Also worth remembering that this season, Cardiff got more money for finishing bottom that Man Utd did the season before for winning it.

 

There's been a sea-change in the English transfer market and no-one knows what a good price is yet.

 

Exactly, then do as others do, keep them waiting until the last day of the transfer window

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If he's right and Lallana, Shaw and Lovren go, why should any others stay? Who could blame Clyne, Chambers, Wanyama, Schneiderlin, JRod and even Lambert from saying 'i want a more ambitious club'?

 

Nothing though one of the more ambitious clubs has to actually bid for them first...

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Saints have no reason to sell Lallana. He is under contract so is dependent on the club giving him the opportunity of playing his football at a higher club level.

 

He has been a magnificent and loyal servant to Saints and still loves them to bits. He is very happy here BUT he is 26 and just got into the England side. He needs the next level and will not get it here for a few years at least, if ever.

 

Put yourself in his place. Say double salary, Champions League football etc. Just say he decides to stay and years later reflects. Would he regret the opportunity was missed?

 

It is a difficult time for the lad, decision wise. The club may have had a bid and may have turned it down indicating a minimum transfer fee knowing that they should not stand in his way for the right fee. If Liverpool then go elsewhere the club win, the supporters win and Adam can look back and say the opportunity never reached a decision stage.

 

For me it is in the hands of the club. They have an equally difficult decision.

 

One part of me desperately wants him to stay but another part says he needs to go to fulfil his undoubted potential at a higher level. I think Adam father hold similar views.

 

Let me again reiterate, I have not discussed this with his father or anyone else close since the last day of the season when there was no confirmation of any interest from Liverpool or anywhere else but a suspicion that something unknown was rumbling behind the scenes.

 

It is my opinion, and mine alone so please do not read anything into it, I am not ITK, that if Liverpool make an offer in comparison to the club valuation and the terms meet Adams aspirations he will move.

 

A well reasoned post Ron and something sadly lacking in the wake of all the hype about NC. Even if he was still CEO, I reckon we'd have hit this hurdle. My question would be though do Liverpool see him as a squad player/bench warmer or a first XI regular? Because over the years, Liverpool have overpaid badly for players they wanted in their first XI. The fact they aren't pushing the boat out like Man U seem to be for Shaw can't be a good sign. Also, Adam won't be a focal point for them like he is for Saints. I can see the appeal from his point of view, Liverpool are an attacking, attractive side bur surely they need to invest at the back first? This is the price of success for getting our players into the England set up sadly, you'll get Rooney and Gerrard tempting them to play for their clubs and you can understand it.

 

I'd compare also how Adam wants to be remembered. He could be as well regarded as MLT in a few years with a testimonial and full house or he could be just another player that moved on, a Danny Wallace or Alan Shearer.

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I still wonder what Mrs. Lallana and Arthur make of it all......could be a telling consideration?

 

"Adam, sweetie, exactly what are Liverpool's beaches like for Arthur to build his sand castles on? Say, compared to where we are now?"

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I still wonder what Mrs. Lallana and Arthur make of it all......could be a telling consideration?

 

Someone told me that Mrs L's sister's husband (ie her brother in law) has signed for someone like Crewe and that they were all looking up there. But then, you hear an awful lot these days!! Who know's maybe Mrs L's b-i-l doesn't play footie!

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Don't forget he has openly admitted he is a Southampton fan, he may just be clutching at straws like the rest of us are.

 

Well he's saints through and through, but he did support Everton as a boy and went to a game of theirs not that long ago.

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A few people have mentioned it's down to whether Liverpool can meet Saints' valuation of Lallana. Others have said we need to see what the new TV deal does to transfer fees before deciding anything.

 

A somewhat basic look at the TV deal shows that we'd need way more that Liverpool are offering to compensate the loss of Lallana. Finishing 8th earned us £7.5 million more than finishing 14th (our previous season's finish) would have done. Even finishing three places lower would have been worth nearly £4 million less to us. It's not unreasonable to think we'd have finished 11th rather than 8th without Lallana.

 

In simplistic terms say we sell Lallana and finish 11th for the next four seasons (the remainder of Lallana's current contract) rather than 8th. That would cost us £14,832,996 in TV prize money alone (without considering any future increases in the TV money). If Lallana stayed and helped us gain three places in the league each season, it'd be just as beneficial to us financially if we let him run down his current contract to leave for free than selling him for £20,000,000 (with Bournemouth's sell on clause) .

 

Even worse, say we sell Lallana and others and just about survive against relegation each year. Finishing just outside the relegation zone each year would leave us £11 million worse off per season compared to finishing eighth. That soon adds up.

 

By my maths we shouldn't currently sell Lallana for anything less than £60 million. Match that Liverpool!

 

I'm sure each team has some pretty clever accountants, but teams that manage to understand the TV figures the quickest could make a killing in the transfer market! It's the perfect time to be buying players, not selling. It would definitely make sense to hold onto the crown jewels for at least another year before selling, especially given the length of their contracts. Transfers fees could suddenly double or triple and all of a sudden we'll find ourselves having to bid £80,000,000 to buy Danny Rose as a replacement for £30,000,000 Luke Shaw.

 

TV money figures: https://twitter.com/premierleague/status/466572990562725890/photo/1

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A few people have mentioned it's down to whether Liverpool can meet Saints' valuation of Lallana. Others have said we need to see what the new TV deal does to transfer fees before deciding anything.

 

A somewhat basic look at the TV deal shows that we'd need way more that Liverpool are offering to compensate the loss of Lallana. Finishing 8th earned us £7.5 million more than finishing 14th (our previous season's finish) would have done. Even finishing three places lower would have been worth nearly £4 million less to us. It's not unreasonable to think we'd have finished 11th rather than 8th without Lallana.

 

In simplistic terms say we sell Lallana and finish 11th for the next four seasons (the remainder of Lallana's current contract) rather than 8th. That would cost us £14,832,996 in TV prize money alone (without considering any future increases in the TV money). If Lallana stayed and helped us gain three places in the league each season, it'd be just as beneficial to us financially if we let him run down his current contract to leave for free than selling him for £20,000,000 (with Bournemouth's sell on clause) .

 

Even worse, say we sell Lallana and others and just about survive against relegation each year. Finishing just outside the relegation zone each year would leave us £11 million worse off per season compared to finishing eighth. That soon adds up.

 

By my maths we shouldn't currently sell Lallana for anything less than £60 million. Match that Liverpool!

 

I'm sure each team has some pretty clever accountants, but teams that manage to understand the TV figures the quickest could make a killing in the transfer market! It's the perfect time to be buying players, not selling. It would definitely make sense to hold onto the crown jewels for at least another year before selling, especially given the length of their contracts. Transfers fees could suddenly double or triple and all of a sudden we'll find ourselves having to bid £80,000,000 to buy Danny Rose as a replacement for £30,000,000 Luke Shaw.

 

TV money figures: https://twitter.com/premierleague/status/466572990562725890/photo/1

 

Interesting thoughts… :thumbup:

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I don't think it's about Liverpool meeting our valuation, they think it's too high, it's not their problem if we have to give 25%

to Bournemouth. The player is worth about 18/20 million, that's what they'd probably be prepared to pay. If we insist on 25 million they'll just look elsewhere, whether Adam will be happy to stay or not is to be seen. Some really solid performances in the Wc might persuade them to go to a bit more but the lad has to get into the team first.

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It's 100% their problem as the buying club. We want to keep him so it's pretty good if they don't meet the valuation.

 

 

Of course, unless he'd really set his stall out for a move to a top 4 club, he's mid-career and in the limelight just now. If we're going to push on so much the better but if we're just going to drift along and be happy with 8th,9th 10 th places he may well not be over content.

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