Saint Charlie Posted 26 June, 2014 Share Posted 26 June, 2014 Is he as good as Patrick Colleter? No. But better than Fox. And Shaw obviously. He will rot in United's reserves with Jesse Lingard and should have stayed at Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 26 June, 2014 Share Posted 26 June, 2014 It seems some of you have only just started watching football this week. For the benefit of everyone else let's think back to the times when: - We were a mid table Championsip club with Walcott, then we sold him, reinvested the money and got into the playoffs the following season. We would have won the League with a decent manager. - Rooney left Everton who were mid table, then immediately qualified for the Champions league and have been flirting around the top 5 ever since. Not relevant to Saints but it proves selling a teenage wonder kid isn't exactly a death sentence. - We sold Chamberlain, reinvested the money and got promoted to the Premier League at the first attempt. - We sold Dean Richards for a large fee, who then developed a brain tumour and was forced to retire. The money was eventually reinvested in Killer and Niemi. Who came out of that deal better? - We sold Davies to Blackburn. He has never been the same since. We got Beattie in part ex. And he eventually drove us to the Cup final. - We sold Beattie to Everton and brought in Camara and Squashie who almost kept us up. If it weren't for Arrys dodgy management we would have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 26 June, 2014 Share Posted 26 June, 2014 It seems some of you have only just started watching football this week. For the benefit of everyone else let's think back to the times when: - We were a mid table Championsip club with Walcott, then we sold him, reinvested the money and got into the playoffs the following season. We would have won the League with a decent manager. - Rooney left Everton who were mid table, then immediately qualified for the Champions league and have been flirting around the top 5 ever since. Not relevant to Saints but it proves selling a teenage wonder kid isn't exactly a death sentence. - We sold Chamberlain, reinvested the money and got promoted to the Premier League at the first attempt. - We sold Dean Richards for a large fee, who then developed a brain tumour and was forced to retire. The money was eventually reinvested in Killer and Niemi. Who came out of that deal better? - We sold Davies to Blackburn. He has never been the same since. We got Beattie in part ex. And he eventually drove us to the Cup final. - We sold Beattie to Everton and brought in Camara and Squashie who almost kept us up. If it weren't for Arrys dodgy management we would have done. All of which is true. But in the interest of balancing the debate: - we sold Shearer, and signed Dixon & Speedie -sold Bridge and never really replaced him, although did sign Neil McCann from some of the proceeds. Moral of the story (and the point you were making Lighthouse): This need not be a tragedy IF the proceeds are spent wisely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 26 June, 2014 Share Posted 26 June, 2014 Plus all those examples you give are selling the odd player which all teams do. Not four of five of the best in one summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 26 June, 2014 Share Posted 26 June, 2014 In MLT's defense I have spoken to 3 our coaching staff, one of which has now left. They told me all about some of our best youth players, which ones the big clubs know about, which ones they dont and who the next batch of stars coming through were. We talked a lot about MT and unfortunately for you but fortunately for Saints, you are very wide of the mark with your comments Lets hope so, would happily be completely wrong in thinking Shaw is and always will be a far better player than Targett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 26 June, 2014 Share Posted 26 June, 2014 Meh, we've replaced our manager with a better one and I'm pretty sure well be upgrading at Lb this summer too. I just hope the club have lined up some major signings already because they're in for a pr nightmare if they sit on that cash for too long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 26 June, 2014 Share Posted 26 June, 2014 Plus all those examples you give are selling the odd player which all teams do. Not four of five of the best in one summer. If we sell Lallana and Lovren (which remains very much an IF at this stage) then we will have £70m to spend instead of £30m. We could only spend half of that and still have a truly excellent team. You know your Ukrainian football Charlie, according to some press reports we could afford Yarmolenko AND Konoplyanka with the £25m we want for Lallana. Thats just an example but if you reinvest wisely you can often come out stronger than before. With good management, 4 new faces in the team really shouldn't be a problem. There may be teething pains to start but that's part of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diggers Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 Time for a huge IMHO here but...(tin hat time) I really don't think he's that amazing. He's got tons of pace and strength and knows how to tackle and is savy at the offside stuff but he reminds me much more of a Wayne Bridge rather than a Gareth Bale. Bale had amazing and instant control of the ball and could always glide past several opposition players with the drop of his shoulder, Shaw and Bridge are and were kick and run full backs who would be just as happy playing the lay back square pass inside rather than producing regular moments of magic aka Bale. Hes good, probably the best English left back at the moment but I think he's going to have to work really hard if he's going to play in any other positions on the park. As I said, very much my own personal opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorne Malvo Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 Considering he is costing Man Utd more than what was paid for players like Alves and Coentrao its a good deal for us also as long as it is reinvested into the team correctly. I wonder if we will be in for the Dutch left back Blinds or the Koko fella we were linked with as a replacement. If we get a decent replacement in for under 10m it leaves us personally in a stronger position if we were able to get a good centre forward or centre back in with the other monies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintedwill Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 If we could get someone like Blinds, that would be a fantastic signing. I think Kolodziejczak would be more of a stopgap until Targett was ready to challenge for the position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Paul C Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 If we could get someone like Blinds, that would be a fantastic signing. I think Kolodziejczak would be more of a stopgap until Targett was ready to challenge for the position I've got a hunch that we've already identified and agreed to sign a replacement for Luke which is what set the ball rolling with Buttner leaving MU for Moscow Mafia United and Shaw's move to MU being sanctioned. Guan has kind of alluded to this in his posts I think. I guess it remains for us to find out in the next few days who this Mr. X is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefuriousb Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 I was being sarcastic and making the point that in 10 years time the money we get from this transfer will mean absolutely nothing, and we'll all wish we'd kept Shaw. You make it sound like the player had no wish to leave himself and it was Saints who decided to take the money against the wishes of Shaw. I am certain the club would have loved nothing more than for Shaw to play his entire career at Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty's Caddy Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 You make it sound like the player had no wish to leave himself and it was Saints who decided to take the money against the wishes of Shaw. I am certain the club would have loved nothing more than for Shaw to play his entire career at Saints. Exactly. He obviously wants to leave. So you have to let him go. If RK can talk him round though....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefuriousb Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 Exactly. He obviously wants to leave. So you have to let him go. If RK can talk him round though....... I wish he had afforded Koeman the opportunity and respect of a conversation. It is this though which makes it clear that it was not Saints looking to raise cash for their 'fire sale', but the player wishing to play at a 'higher level' (all be it in the same league, same national team..). For this reason Saints have tried to obtain the very best deal from his suitors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 I've got a hunch that we've already identified and agreed to sign a replacement for Luke which is what set the ball rolling with Buttner leaving MU for Moscow Mafia United and Shaw's move to MU being sanctioned. Guan has kind of alluded to this in his posts I think. I guess it remains for us to find out in the next few days who this Mr. X is. I reckon it'll be the young French lad with the name which offers great value if your kid wants it on his shirt - Kolodjieczak or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 What is the value of a contract? why does the wishes of one party to it count and the wishes of the other party not count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 Whatever the rights and wrongs or the pluses and minuses of this transfer the truth remains the very good side of last year is no more and a rebuilding we must go. We need at least 3 forwards for example to replace Lambert, Osvaldo and Rodriguez and now a full-back. I am sure Lallana and Lovren are on their way too, so RK (himself a new boy on the block) is going to have to buy a lot of players in a short period of time and then gel them into a team capable of competing in the toughest league in the world. No easy task. Money in the bank is no substitute for proven quality players who have already cut it in in the Prem. I am apprehensive to say the least and Reed is yet to convince me he is the right man in an increasingly important position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 SimonPeach: I am told #Eng & #SaintsFC left-back @LukeShaw3's move to #MUFC should be confirmed on Friday morning. Deal worth £27million plus add-ons. SimonPeach: .@LukeShaw3 underwent a medical at #MUFC's training ground on Thursday night & will be first-choice left-back at Old Trafford. So we caved into the Mighty Manyoo over valuation then.... So much for our "tough" management.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 Whatever the rights and wrongs or the pluses and minuses of this transfer the truth remains the very good side of last year is no more and a rebuilding we must go. We need at least 3 forwards for example to replace Lambert, Osvaldo and Rodriguez and now a full-back. I am sure Lallana and Lovren are on their way too, so RK (himself a new boy on the block) is going to have to buy a lot of players in a short period of time and then gel them into a team capable of competing in the toughest league in the world. No easy task. Money in the bank is no substitute for proven quality players who have already cut it in in the Prem. I am apprehensive to say the least and Reed is yet to convince me he is the right man in an increasingly important position. All perfeclty good points. We will have a fight on our hands next season if a new manager with no PL experience is fielding a team of 6+ newbies and kids. But of course you are bedwetting by daring to say this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 I am apprehensive to say the least and Reed is yet to convince me he is the right man in an increasingly important position. Yet you were impressed by Ralph ? I think people have been spoiled by the fact in the last four years we have, up to a month ago, only sold Chamberlain of the players we wanted to keep. How many other clubs have kept hold of their players for so long in todays game ? Even Man Utd sold Ronaldo. It was always going to happen, especially once we reached the publicity glare of the Premiership again, even Cortese said in that BBC interview something to the effect he would have tried to get the players to give it another year. Then this same situation would have arisen. Given the number of poor/average teams in the league this coming season I fully expect us even with a virtually new team to stay well above the bottom three. Think yourself lucky we aren't WBA ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 Christ, I just woke to find my mattress sodden with ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 So we caved into the Mighty Manyoo over valuation then.... So much for our "tough" management.. Yeah we 'caved in' and got a world record fee for a full back. A full back Which by the way doesn't score goal or set them up. What a bunch of clowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 All perfeclty good points. We will have a fight on our hands next season if a new manager with no PL experience is fielding a team of 6+ newbies and kids. But of course you are bedwetting by daring to say this... Hahahah old rubber sheets strikes again ....Pochettino had great experience of the Prem and half a team of kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTONS EAST SIDE Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 Whatever the rights and wrongs or the pluses and minuses of this transfer the truth remains the very good side of last year is no more and a rebuilding we must go. We need at least 3 forwards for example to replace Lambert, Osvaldo and Rodriguez and now a full-back. I am sure Lallana and Lovren are on their way too, so RK (himself a new boy on the block) is going to have to buy a lot of players in a short period of time and then gel them into a team capable of competing in the toughest league in the world. No easy task. Money in the bank is no substitute for proven quality players who have already cut it in in the Prem. I am apprehensive to say the least and Reed is yet to convince me he is the right man in an increasingly important position.Agree! Reed looks like a man with a good poker face. Who then caves at the slightest pressure!! No convinced at all by his negotiation tactics.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 Yeah we 'caved in' and got a world record fee for a full back. A full back Which by the way doesn't score goal or set them up. What a bunch of clowns. We caved in on our valuation. Either we were weak, or we werent really interested in keeping him and it was all PR tough-talk. I trust our board about as far as I can throw them. Not a single strong whiff of an incoming player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 All perfeclty good points. We will have a fight on our hands next season if a new manager with no PL experience is fielding a team of 6+ newbies and kids. But of course you are bedwetting by daring to say this... the mirror reporter on skybsports just mentioned that the shaw money was significantly more than being banded about but didnt ellaborate. i wonder what the true amount is, as its suits both clubs to obscure the truth and leak lower figures. Also comments about how tough it is for a number of unproven players in the prem is true but remember we had 11 u**** untried players i the prem 2 years ago. yes its tough but it was always going to happen, its just how we respond to the challenge is key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 The thing that annoys me most is that Manyoo achieved bog-all more than us last season, have no CL or Europa place next season, and the England team flew back to Manchester (why ? to get Shaw to Carrington in time for his medical ? Wouldnt the England team fly back to London ?) which meant he didnt even give RK the chance to talk to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 We caved in on our valuation. Either we were weak, or we werent really interested in keeping him and it was all PR tough-talk. I trust our board about as far as I can throw them. Not a single strong whiff of an incoming player. June 29th for first 'alpine complaint of no transfer activity' sweepstake winner please contact me for your winnings No that's right, you'd prefer we were run by the bloke who you said last year ran us like a crappy B&B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 The thing that annoys me most is that Manyoo achieved bog-all more than us last season, have no CL or Europa place next season, and the England team flew back to Manchester (why ? to get Shaw to Carrington in time for his medical ? Wouldnt the England team fly back to London ?) which meant he didnt even give RK the chance to talk to him. RK could have phoned him like Poch has to the Spurs players. He didn't because he knew when he took the job that Shaw was going so is probably not fussed if it adds to his kitty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 The thing that annoys me most is that Manyoo achieved bog-all more than us last season, have no CL or Europa place next season, and the England team flew back to Manchester (why ? to get Shaw to Carrington in time for his medical ? Wouldnt the England team fly back to London ?) which meant he didnt even give RK the chance to talk to him. Of course there is nothing like, Skype, mobile phone, video technology in your world on Planet Miserable B'stard is there. Take a chill and see what happens. I know you love the limelight and the internet image you have of yourself but why not wait and see who we recruit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 The thing that annoys me most is that Manyoo achieved bog-all more than us last season, have no CL or Europa place next season, and the England team flew back to Manchester (why ? to get Shaw to Carrington in time for his medical ? Wouldnt the England team fly back to London ?) which meant he didnt even give RK the chance to talk to him. Yes, I'm sure the England team transport arrangements were all based around making sure luke Shaw got to his man United medical safely, you're becoming more of an embarrassment everyday my chubby friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 Yet you were impressed by Ralph ? I think people have been spoiled by the fact in the last four years we have, up to a month ago, only sold Chamberlain of the players we wanted to keep. How many other clubs have kept hold of their players for so long in todays game ? Even Man Utd sold Ronaldo. It was always going to happen, especially once we reached the publicity glare of the Premiership again, even Cortese said in that BBC interview something to the effect he would have tried to get the players to give it another year. Then this same situation would have arisen. Given the number of poor/average teams in the league this coming season I fully expect us even with a virtually new team to stay well above the bottom three. Think yourself lucky we aren't WBA ! I was impressed with Ralph's personality, openness and desire to build bridges. As for his capabilities to make good footballing decisions I have no idea. I am more concerned with Reed mainly from things I have heard re the Dodd and Williams dismissals. He flopped badly at Charlton and considering the importance of his position at SMS it is crucial he gets some very big decisions coming his way, spot on. I am crossing my fingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 I was impressed with Ralph's personality, openness and desire to build bridges. As for his capabilities to make good footballing decisions I have no idea. I am more concerned with Reed mainly from things I have heard re the Dodd and Williams dismissals. He flopped badly at Charlton and considering the importance of his position at SMS it is crucial he gets some very big decisions coming his way, spot on. I am crossing my fingers. Duncan have you watched the academy teams this year? I have and you would have seen why they were released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 I am more concerned with Reed mainly from things I have heard re the Dodd and Williams dismissals. He flopped badly at Charlton and considering the importance of his position at SMS it is crucial he gets some very big decisions coming his way, spot on. I am crossing my fingers. Does anyone actually have anything concrete on the Dodd and Williams thing yet? I've not seen anything. Charlton keeps getting mentioned with Reed, but that was a completely different job at a different club. He's been part of this club since Cortese arrived and was the only football man on the Board at that time, just like he is now. There are no guarantees but he seems to be doing ok to me based on everything that has happened since he arrived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 Does anyone actually have anything concrete on the Dodd and Williams thing yet? I've not seen anything. I heard that Dodd & Williams didn't see eye to eye with Martin Hunter (Who's very much a Les Reed man) - so they got the boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 Don't understand why Koeman wouldn't want Shaw? All outgoings are up to him afterall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 (edited) I was impressed with Ralph's personality, openness and desire to build bridges. As for his capabilities to make good footballing decisions I have no idea. I am more concerned with Reed mainly from things I have heard re the Dodd and Williams dismissals. He flopped badly at Charlton and considering the importance of his position at SMS it is crucial he gets some very big decisions coming his way, spot on. I am crossing my fingers. Why do people bring that up? Reed was appointed because Dowie was sacked and Reed was already at the club that was failing badly. Would it not be better to judge Reed on the 4 extremely sucesseful years he has been at Saints than 6 weeks he was the Charlton manager for? Do you judge Brian Clough on his 44 days at Leeds? Edited 27 June, 2014 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 Don't understand why Koeman wouldn't want Shaw? All outgoings are up to him afterall. You've jumped to some strange conclusions there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 I heard that Dodd & Williams didn't see eye to eye with Martin Hunter (Who's very much a Les Reed man) - so they got the boot. This is kind of my point... no offence to you, but I've heard several lines, some similar, some not, about why they were sacked, but it's impossible to really know what the truth is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 You've jumped to some strange conclusions there. We've been told that no player will leave without the managers say so right from Reeds end of season statement, have we not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 Don't understand why Koeman wouldn't want Shaw? All outgoings are up to him afterall. It's probably not that he wouldn't *want* him, but that he feels he can get 2 or 3 good players in for the 30m we'll receive, which will improve the team and squad more overall. So on balance, he is happy to let him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 pfft Benali was a far better left back anyway. Good luck Luke , pretty sure you'll get your threesome now. 'Cats in the cradle and the silver spoon.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 The thing that annoys me most is that Manyoo achieved bog-all more than us last season, have no CL or Europa place next season, and the England team flew back to Manchester (why ? to get Shaw to Carrington in time for his medical ? Wouldnt the England team fly back to London ?) which meant he didnt even give RK the chance to talk to him. 'Pap to the main board, Pap to the main board please'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 the mirror reporter on skybsports just mentioned that the shaw money was significantly more than being banded about but didnt ellaborate. i wonder what the true amount is, as its suits both clubs to obscure the truth and leak lower figures. Interesting. Maybe it will be leaked on to a forum as to what the amount was (Guan where are you???????). I am not sure whether it will be possible in the long run, to keep it confidential as it should show up in the accounts. Also, unlike Liverpool's attempts at putting in target related pay offs, I can imagine that we might have included some with Shaw/Utd. Mirror's article starts "The Reds and Southampton have agreed a £33m fee for the left-back - making him the most expensive teenager in the world game" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 We've been told that no player will leave without the managers say so right from Reeds end of season statement, have we not? That doesn't mean Shaw wouldn't be sold. Shaw is reportedly being offered £5m+ per year wage and Man Utd are offering Saints £30m+. With that king of money on offer to player, agent and club he wasn't going to stay. That doesn't mean Koeman wouldn't like to have him in the squad, but Koeman probably knows he now has a large budget from the deal to both replace Shaw at left back and improve other areas of the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 It's probably not that he wouldn't *want* him, but that he feels he can get 2 or 3 good players in for the 30m we'll receive, which will improve the team and squad more overall. So on balance, he is happy to let him go. You don't think he should be given enough funds to buy 2-3 players regardless? Let's face it, I doubt he's had much say in the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 The thing that annoys me most is that Manyoo achieved bog-all more than us last season, have no CL or Europa place next season, and the England team flew back to Manchester (why ? to get Shaw to Carrington in time for his medical ? Wouldnt the England team fly back to London ?) which meant he didnt even give RK the chance to talk to him. This is an absolute nonsense yet again Alpine. England always planned to fly from Brazil to Manchester to drop off all the northern based players and staff and then fly south to drop off the southern based players and staff. They haven't rearranged the whole itinerary in a conspiracy to screw over Saints ffs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 I was impressed with Ralph's personality, openness and desire to build bridges. As for his capabilities to make good footballing decisions I have no idea. I am more concerned with Reed mainly from things I have heard re the Dodd and Williams dismissals. He flopped badly at Charlton and considering the importance of his position at SMS it is crucial he gets some very big decisions coming his way, spot on. I am crossing my fingers. Thats ludicrous. Reed was put in charge of Football development and recruitment in April 2010. He would've been sacked by Cortese if he wasn't particularly good in that role. No one lasts for 4 years by winging it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 Give up MLG, some people are past being educated Sent from my C1905 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish fingers Posted 27 June, 2014 Share Posted 27 June, 2014 Not too fussed about Shaw going. The money being banded around is a phenomenal amount for a kid with 50 games under his belt. I hope Koeman gets a chunk of that on top of his seemingly already decent budget. I look forward too seeing who he brings in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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