Luke Shaw - Done Deal

[JoeShmoe]

It's a measure of how far we've come where 10 million is just the first phase of spending, and not necessarily the biggest single amount we will spend on a transfer.

 

....And that is really all i can say without getting cut off. Else wise, i'm not likely to have enough info for a smiley!

 

Thanks as ever mate

 

Hopeful that RK has been given that big budget to spend and we won't be long until that first 10m is spent, I'm hoping Tadic, De Vrij or Caulker

[Saint Charlie]

I'm assuming you've never seen Targett play or know nothing of his development or where the club see him? Yet you're making the same sweeping generalisations people made about Shaw when he started getting in the first XI squads. Trawl back to SWF posts back then and you'll read similar comments to yours now

 

From what I've read previously he is technically very good, good defensively but isn't big enough yet. Poch thought enough of him last year to have him in with the first team regularly

 

He will still be better than Danny Fox :-)

 

Of course he looks a good prospect and I havent seen much of him, but when I have he is clearly no Shaw.

 

MLT said the club believe him to be a "better option" than Shaw.

 

I'm sorry, but I can't believe that. Shaw is a phenomenon. The idea we have someone 60 days younger than him who has more potential yet achieved nothing near what Shaw has is just a bit odd and that kind of hype not what Targett needs.

 

Likewise anyone who says Gallagher will replace Lambert.

[Deano6]

I've heard from a reliable source that the sticking point is they are still trying to figure out who the 25% sell-on fee should go to in this case.

[Baird of the land]

If this, if that. You can't plan 15 years ahead. He might have an injury next week and never play again.

 

Sure Everton could get 30m for Barkley now. My opinion is that no fee is going to cover the loss of someone so talented.

Also sends really bad signal that academy players can force their way out after one good season.

[Matthew Le Tissier]

Of course he looks a good prospect and I havent seen much of him, but when I have he is clearly no Shaw.

 

MLT said the club believe him to be a "better option" than Shaw.

 

I'm sorry, but I can't believe that. Shaw is a phenomenon. The idea we have someone 60 days younger than him who has more potential yet achieved nothing near what Shaw has is just a bit odd and that kind of hype not what Targett needs.

 

Likewise anyone who says Gallagher will replace Lambert.

 

 

You need to start believing it lol as the club are selling him.

 

For the 5th time i think

 

He's not looked at as a better option right now, (RIGHT NOW)

 

But they believe in a few years when he has a full season under his belt, providing his progress remains the same he will then be a equally as good if not better player than shaw.

 

LIKE NOT NOW. IN A FEW YEARS

 

 

If he was a better option RIGHT NOW he would be on his way home from the World Cup

 

I feel like I'm having my shaw argument all over again , quite ironic 2 years ago the sane stuff to a tee was being said and now he's going for 30 MILLION POUNDS

[angelman]

Sure Everton could get 30m for Barkley now. My opinion is that no fee is going to cover the loss of someone so talented.

Also sends really bad signal that academy players can force their way out after one good season.

 

Maybe, but we are still building as a club. A few years back, we couldn't resist anyone who came knocking. Now we can play hardball a bit. Whose to say in a couple of years time, we won't be able to hold on to players?

 

And what exactly is the point of having a top rated academy? I think that it is always to produce players that some you sell, some you keep. Of course you want to keep the best, but if someone is going to offer so much that accepting it might mean you can strengthen the rest of the team, then I think that that is more than acceptable. What message does that send? Well, parents might be more prepared to enrol their kids with us in the first place. While we signed away the sell on clause with Bale, I still think that his reputation of having been through our academy holds us in very good stead, and is worth more to SFC than the sell on clause.

[Chez]

My opinion is that no fee is going to cover the loss of someone so talented.

 

Exactly how I feel. Simply do,not understand saints fans more than happy with at that fee. Who the **** do they think we are going to bring in? You can only play eleven and our eleven will be worse next season. Shaw was such a huge part of our game last season. Massive loss, which will be hidden sightly by the the other departures assuming Lallana goes too.

[Chez]

Yea just like when I told everyone that shaw was going to play the weekend and fox would be dropped

 

The response was fox is by far a better option than the boy shaw

 

Idiots

 

I find it hard to believe that a single saints fan offered that opinion considering the hype surrounding Shaw prior to his debut. If they did then you'd be right in your assessment of them.

[Chez]

Good news IMO.

 

We gets an excellent fee, one of the most expensive full backs ever. We get the deal done quickly and have the rest of the summer to source a replacement.

 

How on earth is losing Shaw good news?

[Lighthouse]

Exactly how I feel. Simply do,not understand saints fans more than happy with at that fee. Who the **** do they think we are going to bring in? You can only play eleven and our eleven will be worse next season. Shaw was such a huge part of our game last season. Massive loss, which will be hidden sightly by the the other departures assuming Lallana goes too.

 

Remember how badly Eveton suffered the seasson after they sold Rooney? I really hope we don't suffer the same fate.

 

We may not get another LB of Shaw's quality but £30m would buy J Rod, Wanyama and Lovren. If I said to you before a game last season, would rather Shaw got injured or all 3 of the others, what would you choose. As long as we invest this money sensibly and stay away from sodding Italy I think we will come out f it stronger. Yes we will most likely be weaker at LB but if we have a decent replacement, a £10m centre half and a £15m striker we will most likely be better off.

[supergoose]

Perhaps we might get Buttner as part of the deal?

[mightysaints]

What is the point of spending so much money on an academy if we are forced top sell our best kids, Looks to me like the top teams say to hell with the expense of an academy lets just spend the money on buying class players.Sad to see him go but its just a sad reflection of everything that's wrong with the greed of the PL.

[Chez]

Clyne at left back anybody?

And we buy a cheap sub fullback- I for some reason can see that happening.

 

A totally one footed right Back played at left back? No thanks. Talk about settling for second best. When we are shipping mattresses you know it's a fine line between winning and losing. Having a left back at left back seems like a better idea to me.

[Lighthouse]

Perhaps we might get Buttner as part of the deal?

 

Please God no. Was a liability in the few fleeting glimpses I've seen of him at Utd.

 

Just to put this sale into some sort of context, if you were the Saints manager now and the chairman said here's £30m go and spend it however you like, how many of you would go and blow the whole wad on a teenage LB? Even as undoubtedly talented as Shaw is, I doubt many people would do that.

[Toon Saint]

A totally one footed right Back played at left back? No thanks. Talk about settling for second best. When we are shipping mattresses you know it's a fine line between winning and losing. Having a left back at left back seems like a better idea to me.

 

This.

[Chez]

Remember how badly Eveton suffered the seasson after they sold Rooney? I really hope we don't suffer the same fate.

 

We may not get another LB of Shaw's quality but £30m would buy J Rod, Wanyama and Lovren. If I said to you before a game last season, would rather Shaw got injured or all 3 of the others, what would you choose. As long as we invest this money sensibly and stay away from sodding Italy I think we will come out f it stronger. Yes we will most likely be weaker at LB but if we have a decent replacement, a £10m centre half and a £15m striker we will most likely be better off.

 

It will be impossible to know how much of a loss it is because other player are going, but I recall how we suffered after Bale left. He was also our whole left side and best attacking threat. I fear the loss of Shaw will reduce space across the park. If we buy well then maybe we will be fine, but all transfers are gambles, whilst he was a sure thing.

[Baird of the land]

Maybe, but we are still building as a club. A few years back, we couldn't resist anyone who came knocking. Now we can play hardball a bit. Whose to say in a couple of years time, we won't be able to hold on to players?

 

And what exactly is the point of having a top rated academy? I think that it is always to produce players that some you sell, some you keep. Of course you want to keep the best, but if someone is going to offer so much that accepting it might mean you can strengthen the rest of the team, then I think that that is more than acceptable. What message does that send? Well, parents might be more prepared to enrol their kids with us in the first place. While we signed away the sell on clause with Bale, I still think that his reputation of having been through our academy holds us in very good stead, and is worth more to SFC than the sell on clause.

 

Maybe you are right and the next gem we produce we will be able to keep a few years longer. That's the only way the academy approach will work in a way where we aim to have any ambition other than avoiding relegation. I'm more worried than hopeful right now.

[Dig Dig]

How on earth is losing Shaw good news?

 

Bizarre isn't it

[Chez]

Perhaps we might get Buttner as part of the deal?

 

He signed for dynamos Moscow yesterday.

[Chez]

Bizarre isn't it

 

A really top notch player or a load of cash that may or may not be well spent. I know which I'd prefer. Mind you that choice didn't really exist as the player wanted out.

[Lighthouse]

What is the point of spending so much money on an academy if we are forced top sell our best kids, Looks to me like the top teams say to hell with the expense of an academy lets just spend the money on buying class players.Sad to see him go but its just a sad reflection of everything that's wrong with the greed of the PL.

 

Getting £30m is neither sad nor pointless. The way some people are reacting, you would think Luke has just walked out the door for free.

 

Without meaning to be rude, your post is highly naive. Almost every club is a selling club to some extent, even Arsenal and Man Utd have had to sell their best players. Players moving on to bigger clubs has been going on since the beginning of time. If this disappoints you, go and watch the LPGA because it's not going to change any time soon.

[Dig Dig]

Getting £30m is neither sad nor pointless. The way some people are reacting, you would think Luke has just walked out the door for free.

 

Without meaning to be rude, your post is highly naive. Almost every club is a selling club to some extent, even Arsenal and Man Utd have had to sell their best players. Players moving on to bigger clubs has been going on since the beginning of time. If this disappoints you, go and watch the LPGA because it's not going to change any time soon.

 

The difference is that those clubs have the capacity to improve and build consistently strong squads. We don't.

[BILLY]

Please God no. Was a liability in the few fleeting glimpses I've seen of him at Utd.

 

Just to put this sale into some sort of context, if you were the Saints manager now and the chairman said here's £30m go and spend it however you like, how many of you would go and blow the whole wad on a teenage LB? Even as undoubtedly talented as Shaw is, I doubt many people would do that.

 

Signed for one of the Moscow clubs last week ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[Dig Dig]

A really top notch player or a load of cash that may or may not be well spent. I know which I'd prefer. Mind you that choice didn't really exist as the player wanted out.

 

Ultimately it's about seeing the best possible players play for Saints.

[Goatboy]

Our new manager now has a big chunk of money to start building HIS team.

I'm looking forward to it.

[Lighthouse]

It will be impossible to know how much of a loss it is because other player are going, but I recall how we suffered after Bale left. He was also our whole left side and best attacking threat. I fear the loss of Shaw will reduce space across the park. If we buy well then maybe we will be fine, but all transfers are gambles, whilst he was a sure thing.

 

We suffered after Bale left because Burley was a tool. He brought in Vignal, then decided not to play him, spent most of the money acquiring sh*t midfielders we didn't need and started the season with no centre halves.

 

Bale wasn't our whole left side, he had a decent partnership with Skacel who allowed him to get forward well. Thats going over old ground though. The point is, if we had invested that money on a couple of new defenders we would have been okay but Burley wasted it.

[scotty]

What is the point of spending so much money on an academy if we are forced top sell our best kids, Looks to me like the top teams say to hell with the expense of an academy lets just spend the money on buying class players.Sad to see him go but its just a sad reflection of everything that's wrong with the greed of the PL.

 

For a club of our size, selling academy players has to be part of the business plan, at least for the moment. Should we ever break into the CL spots, it would be a different matter entirely. (Not that I think that likely as the big 4 already have those sewn up.)

[Baird of the land]

What is the point of spending so much money on an academy if we are forced top sell our best kids, Looks to me like the top teams say to hell with the expense of an academy lets just spend the money on buying class players.Sad to see him go but its just a sad reflection of everything that's wrong with the greed of the PL.

 

Indeed especially ironic after Luke's comments querying why more clubs don't give youngsters a chance like saints have done.

Great give players opportunity, then they dart for the exit door at the first opportunity. Hardly encouraging taking the risk in the first place if that or only keeping mediocre players is all that can be looked forward too.

[Lighthouse]

The difference is that those clubs have the capacity to improve and build consistently strong squads. We don't.

 

Don't we? How have we gone from League 1 without a team to 8th in the Premier League without building strong squads? Did we not sign Lovren, Wanyama and Osvaldo last season? Granted the latter was a dud but we showed ambition and perigee bring those players in and had the cash to back it up. I don't see any reason we can't match that ambition this transfer window, especially with another £30m to spend and a manager of Koeman's reputation.

[itchen_dan]

SimonPeach: I am told #Eng & #SaintsFC left-back @LukeShaw3's move to #MUFC should be confirmed on Friday morning. Deal worth £27million plus add-ons.

 

SimonPeach: .@LukeShaw3 underwent a medical at #MUFC's training ground on Thursday night & will be first-choice left-back at Old Trafford.

[Dig Dig]

Our new manager now has a big chunk of money to start building HIS team.

I'm looking forward to it.

 

Considering managers are only around for a year and a bit, it's better to not let a manager build HIS team every 18 months isn't it?

[Goatboy]

Considering managers are only around for a year and a bit, it's better to not let a manager build HIS team every 18 months isn't it?

 

I don't think he is going to have a choice, do you?

[Saint Charlie]

27m plus add ons then. Wonder how much up front and what add ons but we will never know.

 

Pretty similar to what Fellaini cost and less than Ferdinand 10 years ago.

 

Might be a decent enough deal for us, certainly a great deal for Utd and obviously Shaw too.

[Dig Dig]

Don't we? How have we gone from League 1 without a team to 8th in the Premier League without building strong squads? Did we not sign Lovren, Wanyama and Osvaldo last season? Granted the latter was a dud but we showed ambition and perigee bring those players in and had the cash to back it up. I don't see any reason we can't match that ambition this transfer window, especially with another £30m to spend and a manager of Koeman's reputation.

 

And look forward to the transfer requests every summer? Our success has been built on a spine of players who have grown and improved with the club. Stability in our squad has been key and it's been built over years. Not something which a few bob in the bank will buy.

[Dig Dig]

I don't think he is going to have a choice, do you?

 

No it doesn't and you're right in that regard but I would be more excited going into the new season with the players we already had, ready to go again.

[TwoPints]

I see the bedwetters have arrived. ... before you ask... you can decide who they are for yourselves.

[Saint Charlie]

And look forward to the transfer requests every summer? Our success has been built on a spine of players who have grown and improved with the club. Stability in our squad has been key and it's been built over years. Not something which a few bob in the bank will buy.

 

Plus the liklihood in one summer of losing all three English Intls and the two best players from our much vaunted academy.

 

Without Shaw and AL there are no academy graduates who are guarenteed a start for us, Chambers closest, then JWP then quite a big gap to the rest. Bit different from this last season.

 

We can't afford the best English players so will either replace with foreigners or Envlish players of lesser quality, could change the squad dynamic and potential for four players who have been with us for "the journey" to all go in one summer which would be a shame.

[Saint_clark]

I'm looking forward to the testimonial for this £30million in 10 years time when it's proven itself to be one of the best left backs the Premier League has seen.

[Saint_clark]

Wait until your see Matty Targett, he's for free. The whole footballing world is going to go, oh my goodness, Southampton just got 30m for Shaw and have replaced him with a better player from their academy.

 

What a load of rubbish. If he was that good he'd have been used when Shaw was out last season.

[MarkSFC]

It's disappointing to lose a talented player but he's not the only one we have. The mere fact that so many players 'appear' to be wanted by other clubs proves we are in a string position. Of those linked, JRod,Lallana, Morgan, Lovren, Clyne, Shaw is the one to sell because the money is far more than needed to replace. The fee is high because of potential, his outstanding contract and his age. You never know, he may be very near his potential!!!

Assuming we sign four or five 8-12m players we will be better off for selling.

Our academy is strong and will produce many first team players but the reality is we won't ever be top of the ladder and some players will need to move on.

The challenge for almost every club is to develop players and keep them long enough to push the team up the status ladder to make it easier to attract players.

 

 

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[Saint Charlie]

I'm looking forward to the testimonial for this £30million in 10 years time when it's proven itself to be one of the best left backs the Premier League has seen.

 

Who, Targett?

[Saint_clark]

Who, Targett?

 

I was being sarcastic and making the point that in 10 years time the money we get from this transfer will mean absolutely nothing, and we'll all wish we'd kept Shaw.

[Dig Dig]

I was being sarcastic and making the point that in 10 years time the money we get from this transfer will mean absolutely nothing, and we'll all wish we'd kept Shaw.

 

I've still got a poster of the 12M we got for Walcott on my bedroom wall.

[Baird of the land]

Wait until your see Matty Targett, he's for free. The whole footballing world is going to go, oh my goodness, Southampton just got 30m for Shaw and have replaced him with a better player from their academy.

 

If that happens Then watch him waltz out the door next summer based on shaw precedent, that'll be fun.

[Saint_clark]

I've still got a poster of the 12M we got for Walcott on my bedroom wall.

 

Vintage! I only managed to get the smaller amount version after we negotiated an advance payment.

[Saint Charlie]

I was being sarcastic and making the point that in 10 years time the money we get from this transfer will mean absolutely nothing, and we'll all wish we'd kept Shaw.

 

I know. Its the way though on here to pretend its great. We would all rather watch Shaw next season than someone who isn't as good.

 

Just like we all hope Lallana, Schneiderlin, Lovren etc all stay. Any Saints fan wants that. If you think it won't happen and they will go like I do, it doesnt mean you want them to, or that you have trouble finding the toilet.

 

Just so many head in the sand merchants at the moment.

[Badger]

SimonPeach: I am told #Eng & #SaintsFC left-back @LukeShaw3's move to #MUFC should be confirmed on Friday morning. Deal worth £27million plus add-ons.

 

SimonPeach: .@LukeShaw3 underwent a medical at #MUFC's training ground on Thursday night & will be first-choice left-back at Old Trafford.

 

If so, he's been undersold in my view.

[Saint dyer]

Spoke to les reed at the player awards. He said if shaw were to leave then we would buy someone, as targett is not ready yet.

[Saint Charlie]

Spoke to les reed at the player awards. He said if shaw were to leave then we would buy someone, as targett is not ready yet.

 

TBF to MLT he also said that. We would defo need two left backs and Targett, who is obviously decent can develop. Looks like we are interested in Kolo at Nice.

[Dig Dig]

TBF to MLT he also said that. We would defo need two left backs and Targett, who is obviously decent can develop. Looks like we are interested in Kolo at Nice.

 

Is he as good as Patrick Colleter?