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I'll be happy to let him go for £35m cash, all up front plus 25% sell on clause. Take it or do one.

Man Utd have a £250m war chest, and have a crap bargaining position. They need to be seen doing business.

 

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This would be great result. Sensibly Man Utd will need to walk away, but they might feel they have to prove in the transfer market that they can get any player they want. Getting Luke would be a sort of moral victory even if it costs them a little more.

 

Exactly that, they need 7 players, have £250m to spend and everyone knows they will back LVG in his first season no matter what the cost. They are going to get bent over so hard they'll not have change for Vaseline.

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More gold from Redcafe, this time care of Trizzy.

"Personally I wouldn't pay a cent more than the 27m.. its way over priced as it is and its not about the money its about not given in to a **** club."

 

Seriously this **** is giving me something interesting to do while at work. To be fair though a few people on their forum called this particular poster out for being a moron.

The pricing of players (particularly british players) is down to the amount of money sloshing around in the top flight. If it gets you 60m or 80m or 100m to get into the top league then of course you'll be expected to spend on that kind of par to get in there. Anything less is a gamble. Similarly, you pay a premium for players to get into the CL. If ManU don't want to pay a premium for a player to get them back into the exalted realm of top top teams then so be it, but they shouldn't whine about it. Honestly, I remember clubs like Liverpool and Man United doing what they want and signing who they want. When did they become so small-time that they have to do all their negotiating via the media and when did their fans become so delusional that they think clubs should sell them a player at a knock-down price because they want it to happen.

 

I would be delighted to see Shaw back here for pre-season and also content to have Lallana back. Just no badge kissing this season, Adam.

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Fwiw all the reliable united journalists have stated that they havent increased their offer.

 

Well that's had the desired effect then. He's our player, under a long contract, we don't want to sell, we've put off potential poachers. Job done.

 

Of course it's not really but if somebody wants him bad enough they know what it will take to prise him away. Hopefully by this time next week the club will have stuck another £5m on top.

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So there's still only an offer on the table? You told us this was a done deal weeks ago.

 

All he's doing is repeating what the United based journalists have been saying. The deal between Shaw himself and United has clearly been agreed, but a fee has never been agreed between the clubs. Journalist have assumed that that would be a formality, hence it being a "done deal", but it now looks as though that isn't quite the case

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The pricing of players (particularly british players) is down to the amount of money sloshing around in the top flight. If it gets you 60m or 80m or 100m to get into the top league then of course you'll be expected to spend on that kind of par to get in there. Anything less is a gamble. Similarly, you pay a premium for players to get into the CL. If ManU don't want to pay a premium for a player to get them back into the exalted realm of top top teams then so be it, but they shouldn't whine about it. Honestly, I remember clubs like Liverpool and Man United doing what they want and signing who they want. When did they become so small-time that they have to do all their negotiating via the media and when did their fans become so delusional that they think clubs should sell them a player at a knock-down price because they want it to happen.

 

I would be delighted to see Shaw back here for pre-season and also content to have Lallana back. Just no badge kissing this season, Adam.

 

Now they are back from the World Cup, likely scenario is that it is teddies out of cots time.........first step formal transfer requests I would guess.

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All he's doing is repeating what the United based journalists have been saying. The deal between Shaw himself and United has clearly been agreed, but a fee has never been agreed between the clubs. Journalist have assumed that that would be a formality, hence it being a "done deal", but it now looks as though that isn't quite the case

 

This is certainly along the right lines.

 

Shaw and united sorted personal terms months ago.

 

In terms of the fee, united were given strong suggestions from Southampton that 27m the magic number to do the deal. Important people in united, most notably woodward, thought it was a done deal and were briefing the press that it was as good as done. They believed they would announced it before the world cup and even had a press release ready for the thursday i mentioned before the world cup. This is fact.

 

Speculating, It would seem that the hold up regards the structure of the 27m, presumably united wanted to do it 'on the cheap' with x upfront, y next year then plenty in achievement and appearance based clauses. Im guessing southampton want pretty much all of it upfront.

 

The 34m quoted could be a new 'structured deal' with bigger achievement based clauses. United obviously don't want to pay it all upfront as they're probably going to over 100m of business this summer and cant stump all that up in cash immediately.

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This is certainly along the right lines.

 

Shaw and united sorted personal terms months ago.

 

In terms of the fee, united were given strong suggestions from Southampton that 27m the magic number to do the deal. Important people in united, most notably woodward, thought it was a done deal and were briefing the press that it was as good as done. They believed they would announced it before the world cup and even had a press release ready for the thursday i mentioned before the world cup. This is fact.

 

Speculating, It would seem that the hold up regards the structure of the 27m, presumably united wanted to do it 'on the cheap' with x upfront, y next year then plenty in achievement and appearance based clauses. Im guessing southampton want pretty much all of it upfront.

 

The 34m quoted could be a new 'structured deal' with bigger achievement based clauses. United obviously don't want to pay it all upfront as they're probably going to over 100m of business this summer and cant stump all that up in cash immediately.

 

You know this for a fact or is it just your opinion?

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This is certainly along the right lines.

 

Shaw and united sorted personal terms months ago.

 

In terms of the fee, united were given strong suggestions from Southampton that 27m the magic number to do the deal. Important people in united, most notably woodward, thought it was a done deal and were briefing the press that it was as good as done. They believed they would announced it before the world cup and even had a press release ready for the thursday i mentioned before the world cup. This is fact.

 

Speculating, It would seem that the hold up regards the structure of the 27m, presumably united wanted to do it 'on the cheap' with x upfront, y next year then plenty in achievement and appearance based clauses. Im guessing southampton want pretty much all of it upfront.

 

The 34m quoted could be a new 'structured deal' with bigger achievement based clauses. United obviously don't want to pay it all upfront as they're probably going to over 100m of business this summer and cant stump all that up in cash immediately.

 

Yourself and the Manchester based journos, Mark Ogden etc, need to understand that Woodward is a bit of an amateur and doesn't have a clue what he's doing in regard to transfer dealings. Once you come to terms with that you might realise that it's a mistake right now to believe any United based leak, although frankly you should have sussed that out last summer.

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If Utd are paying up to 40m Euros for Herrera (uncapped by Spain) then I don't see why our valuation of Shaw is ridiculous at all given his age, current and potential ability, nationality and our lack of intention to sell.

 

A 36m bid has been rejected apparently.

 

Regardless of money the rest of the footballing world has them over a barrel. The curse of being high profile is that clubs know they can pay..... without the carrot of Champions League football their bargaining position is weakened. A £250m pound war chest widely reported, and they are trying to pay 30m in stages!? They're having a laugh.

 

Many plastic Mancs laughed at Manchester City when they started spending stupid money on players to break into the top four. Well, now that is exactly the position they find themselves in now. The only problem is that their resources are nowhere near the levels of the middle eastern benefactors.

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If Utd are paying up to 40m Euros for Herrera (uncapped by Spain) then I don't see why our valuation of Shaw is ridiculous at all given his age, current and potential ability, nationality and our lack of intention to sell.

 

Exactly, Man Utd have already boasted about their £250m transfer kitty for welcoming Louis Van Gaal to Old Trafford and fixing the problems highlighted during Moyes' reign. The footballing world know that Man Utd need at least 5 new first team players and they will not, actually cannot afford to let Van Gaal down in the transfer market as they did with Moyes. They need to accept they are in a ridiculously weak bargaining position and even my Grandmother would cost them £10m, and they'd have to dig her up first.

 

It doesn't look like a good summer for Man Utd fans at all.

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A 36m bid has been rejected apparently.

 

Regardless of money the rest of the footballing world has them over a barrel. The curse of being high profile is that clubs know they can pay..... without the carrot of Champions League football their bargaining position is weakened. A £250m pound war chest widely reported, and they are trying to pay 30m in stages!? They're having a laugh.

 

Many plastic Mancs laughed at Manchester City when they started spending stupid money on players to break into the top four. Well, now that is exactly the position they find themselves in now. The only problem is that their resources are nowhere near the levels of the middle eastern benefactors.

 

Exactly - they are going to have their pants pulled down, and the sooner they realise that the sooner they can build their team up. How many players are they needing - 7 or 8 is it? It might be quite a long closed season for them.

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Thought I'd share what I heard last night from a well-respected journo - up to you whether you believe it or not!

 

Shaw to United is virtually done - everything has been agreed in principal between club & player, the only sticking point is the fee. To date, United have only made one bid of £27m, but we're holding out for more (£30m should do it). Player & both clubs are confident that a deal will be reached before long.

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Thought I'd share what I heard last night from a well-respected journo - up to you whether you believe it or not!

 

Shaw to United is virtually done - everything has been agreed in principal between club & player, the only sticking point is the fee. To date, United have only made one bid of £27m, but we're holding out for more (£30m should do it). Player & both clubs are confident that a deal will be reached before long.

 

So not 40 million or fark right off as reported the other day then.

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Perhaps I'm being thick but I was under the impression that you could only discuss personal terms with a club once a deal has been agreed with the selling club? Be nice if all the "ITK" Journo's talked United into a tapping up charge though ;-) If he does go for 30 million we have to ensure its not based on appearances etc. Money now or see you later Louis!

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Bailey

 

there are no well respected journos,

 

there maybe the odd one who has a bit more credibility than others but well respected soory thats where your argument falls down

 

do you know this journo or was it some you heard third hand ? or red in the mirror ?

 

And how is life in manachester is it raining

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Perhaps I'm being thick but I was under the impression that you could only discuss personal terms with a club once a deal has been agreed with the selling club? Be nice if all the "ITK" Journo's talked United into a tapping up charge though ;-) If he does go for 30 million we have to ensure its not based on appearances etc. Money now or see you later Louis!

 

Not urge, as I understand it it's just permission to speak that needs to be granted by the club holding the registration... No deal needs to even be on table before, although that is the usual way it works.... As not much point agreeing personal terms if the clubs can't agree a fee... So not sure what to believe... If they really had wrapped up personal terms a month ago, then the stuff Les reed said about no bids could still be true, as he never mentioned anything about 'not' giving any permissions for our players to speak with other clubs.... Of cause it could be done and dusted with just the agents agreeing .... Easy and plenty of ways around the tapping rules, which i suspect will be ditched soon as almost impossible to police effectively.

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Perhaps I'm being thick but I was under the impression that you could only discuss personal terms with a club once a deal has been agreed with the selling club?

 

Agents often work in the background when negotiations are ongoing - common practice in modern day football.

 

Bailey

 

there are no well respected journos,

 

there maybe the odd one who has a bit more credibility than others but well respected soory thats where your argument falls down

 

do you know this journo or was it some you heard third hand ? or red in the mirror ?

 

And how is life in manachester is it raining

 

Said it was up to you what you do with the information - just passing it on.

 

Virtually done and only sticking point is the fee is an oxymoronic statement isn't it?

 

Appreciate the wording could have been better. Perhaps I should have said the clubs are close to agreeing a fee & Saints are just looking to get as much out of United as possible - understandable. However, very much a matter of when, not if.

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Bailey . You protest to much . I suspect you are a journo . Trying to justify your post.

Your right it's up to me to decide what I do with your info

I choose to ignore it . As I ignore folk I got this or heard this from a respected journ type post

Incidentally what is the name of this respected journo .

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Why is everyone giving Bailey a hard time - he is only passing on something he heard, and then he gets jumped on by posters because Bailey's unsubstantiated rumour doesn't correlate with the unsubstantiated rumour that they had chosen to believe. Chill out.

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Why is everyone giving Bailey a hard time - he is only passing on something he heard, and then he gets jumped on by posters because Bailey's unsubstantiated rumour doesn't correlate with the unsubstantiated rumour that they had chosen to believe. Chill out.

 

This.

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Why is everyone giving Bailey a hard time - he is only passing on something he heard, and then he gets jumped on by posters because Bailey's unsubstantiated rumour doesn't correlate with the unsubstantiated rumour that they had chosen to believe. Chill out.

 

Might I suggest that it's because he is purveying a case scenario that others do not want to hear, ie Luke Shaw going to Utd being a sure thing and probably for nowhere as near as much as the "Koeman makes his mark, Les tells Utd to fark off" loving brigade think.

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IMO Southampton want to keep Shaw. The fee for Utd will always be too much unless it reaches a silly figure and Utd are still in. They just haven't realised that or maybe they have. Same with Liverpool. The fees are ridiculous but that is not our problem.

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Obvious Shaw will go, it's just a question of how much - anything north of £30m is bloody good money. Frustrating, but out of Morgan, Lovren, and Adam he is the least valuable to us as a team but the one that will command the most money.

 

Let's hope it is stage-managed well and we secure a few transfers before it is announced though, otherwise fan/player morale may well dip again. Build on the good vibes with the Koeman appointment, bring some fresh faces through the door (Kolo, Drasic, Pelle), convince the unsettled ones to stay, then let him leave for as much we can squeeze out of Utd.

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Perhaps I'm being thick but I was under the impression that you could only discuss personal terms with a club once a deal has been agreed with the selling club?

 

Just to add to the point Bailey made... See the Herrera deal (Who has now past a medical & agreed terms, but they haven't agreed a fee)

 

http://www1.skysports.com/transfer/news/12691/9362433/transfer-news-ander-herrera-passes-manchester-united-medcal-but-fee-yet-to-be-agreed

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Thought I'd share what I heard last night from a well-respected journo - up to you whether you believe it or not!

 

Shaw to United is virtually done - everything has been agreed in principal between club & player, the only sticking point is the fee. To date, United have only made one bid of £27m, but we're holding out for more (£30m should do it). Player & both clubs are confident that a deal will be reached before long.

 

Sounds about right, all the rest is just guerrilla PR from the club who are keen to make this look like they extracted every last penny and fought long and hard to resist this...blah , blah. Shaw has only been back a day so it will be interesting to see the timing of any such deal. If it happens imminently then everything else has indeed been complete ****** and all parties have been working towards a deal all along.

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Obvious Shaw will go, it's just a question of how much - anything north of £30m is bloody good money.

 

Isn't that what people were saying about Baines last year?

 

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Bailey is not often wrong, read what he says with interest. Don't write it off because it's not what you want to hear, as that is all that seems to be going on here.

 

I think, personally, it's been clear Shaw has been going since the end of the season. He's reached a point now whereby he's probably a bit too good for us, as sad as that is to say.

 

But apparently we can replace him with a £5m player, or something.

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Bailey is not often wrong, read what he says with interest. Don't write it off because it's not what you want to hear, as that is all that seems to be going on here.

 

I think, personally, it's been clear Shaw has been going since the end of the season. He's reached a point now whereby he's probably a bit too good for us, as sad as that is to say.

 

But apparently we can replace him with a £5m player, or something.

 

 

 

A bit too good for us??? Strewth, some people here have absolutely no ambition. I am currently going through a non-pessimistic stage (can't quite bring myself to be an optimist), and think that there is no reason for us to push onwards and upwards. Not happy to accept that 8th is the best we can do.

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Im not specifically having a pop at Bailey the person, he might be a decent chap but the fact it is yet another post I heard via a respected journo

 

We have had two months of this nonsense from the pro utd journos and supporters that he is going , its a done deal etc etc

If shaw goes he goes if he dosent then all well and good,

It is not a done deal , and these supposed in the know folk and Bailey makes out he is in the know when in fact they are just regurgitated the same story

Come on Bill Bailey tell me who the respected Journo is. At least share that with us all

God I miss the days when we used to get info from a southampton Taxi driver,, Now they were in the Know :)

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A bit too good for us??? Strewth, some people here have absolutely no ambition. I am currently going through a non-pessimistic stage (can't quite bring myself to be an optimist), and think that there is no reason for us to push onwards and upwards. Not happy to accept that 8th is the best we can do.

 

That's the reality unfortunately, as much as it kills me to say it. I have ambition and I want us to do better, but until we have a russian zillionaire bankrolling us, we will not be able to retain players of Luke's calibre (it does make the whole academy thing seem pretty hollow, though) - as we won't be able to reach the levels they aspire to. The harsh reality of the modern day football set-up, oh - and most importantly...the $$ on offer.

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Just to add to the point Bailey made... See the Herrera deal (Who has now past a medical & agreed terms, but they haven't agreed a fee)

 

http://www1.skysports.com/transfer/news/12691/9362433/transfer-news-ander-herrera-passes-manchester-united-medcal-but-fee-yet-to-be-agreed

 

There has been a development on this,Bilbao have announced that Herrera has paid his buy out clause 36 million€ (about 28 million £) and he's gone to Utd.

The great advantage of these clauses is that they're payable in one hit so Bilbao aren't bothered by any agent's fees, payment delays, options or adds-on.

They had no control over the player's desire either though, if he pays he becomes a free agent. Utd were obviously trying to get better terms.

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There has been a development on this,Bilbao have announced that Herrera has paid his buy out clause 36 million€ (about 28 million £) and he's gone to Utd.

The great advantage of these clauses is that they're payable in one hit so Bilbao aren't bothered by any agent's fees, payment delays, options or adds-on.

They had no control over the player's desire either though, if he pays he becomes a free agent. Utd were obviously trying to get better terms.

I know footballers are rich but even they can't get their hands on that sort of money and there's no way United will be able to gift it to him whilst he's another teams player so I can't believe this to be the case surely.
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I know footballers are rich but even they can't get their hands on that sort of money and there's no way United will be able to gift it to him whilst he's another teams player so I can't believe this to be the case surely.

 

They mentioned this on the radio this morning. The buy out clause was going up to €40m on 1st July, so they had to act quickly. The player has to pay it, so you are right, Man U have to pay him to pay it off. The problem then apparently is that he might be liable to income tax. If this is the case, then Man U would have to pay that as well, which makes it rather more expensive. I am sure someone can give more accurate details.

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Bailey is not often wrong, read what he says with interest. Don't write it off because it's not what you want to hear, as that is all that seems to be going on here.

 

I think, personally, it's been clear Shaw has been going since the end of the season. He's reached a point now whereby he's probably a bit too good for us, as sad as that is to say.

 

But apparently we can replace him with a £5m player, or something.

 

Tidy summary.

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Thought I'd share what I heard last night from a well-respected journo - up to you whether you believe it or not!

 

Shaw to United is virtually done - everything has been agreed in principal between club & player, the only sticking point is the fee. To date, United have only made one bid of £27m, but we're holding out for more (£30m should do it). Player & both clubs are confident that a deal will be reached before long.

 

Interesting given Guans contact will not talk about it full stop.

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