Minsk Posted 21 June, 2014 Share Posted 21 June, 2014 I don't think that suits Shaw either - if he wants to play in the Champion's League, why would he sign there and come back on loan? If he wants Champion's League he wouldn't sign for them at all - at least, not this summer. They haven't even qualified for Europa League FFS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 21 June, 2014 Share Posted 21 June, 2014 Why is that a good idea for Saints? Saints have Shaw under contract until 2018 and no financial need to sell him, they could keep him and his value will rise by the time summer 2015 comes and he'd still have 3 years left on his contract. If you look back through my posting history you will see that I have always thought both Luke and Adam will start next season in Saints shirts. However, whilst I agree it is most likely that Luke's value will increase there remains the possibility that it will dip. What if he gets a serious injury early in the season? (For example.) Yes, I would love us to keep him. I would also love us to resign Walcott and Bale! That said, if there was an offer of 30m up front and to keep Luke for one more season, I could see how the board would be tempted. That's all I'm saying!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 21 June, 2014 Share Posted 21 June, 2014 I avoid newspaper gossip but I think Luke is an idiot moving on now He could be a star but equally he realises he's not good enough and needs to make enough dosh now before he falls on his sword , Walcott and Oxlade have not exactly set the world alight since they left us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jampot Posted 22 June, 2014 Share Posted 22 June, 2014 Talk sport reporting he would rather be a porn star than the next Left Back.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horley CTFC Saint Posted 22 June, 2014 Share Posted 22 June, 2014 I avoid newspaper gossip but I think Luke is an idiot moving on now Come on -,look at his tweets!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 22 June, 2014 Share Posted 22 June, 2014 I couldn't give a toss about LS he has an ability but I really don't think he is as good as bale . He may turn out to be as good as him. But it's still very early days . I think he should stay with us till he's 21 . If he goes to United now I have an inkling he will end up in lge 1 or 2 wtf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 22 June, 2014 Share Posted 22 June, 2014 I couldn't give a toss about LS he has an ability but I really don't think he is as good as bale . He may turn out to be as good as him. But it's still very early days . I think he should stay with us till he's 21 . If he goes to United now I have an inkling he will end up in lge 1 or 2 You could well be right - in about 16 years time................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northam soul Posted 22 June, 2014 Share Posted 22 June, 2014 Move him on now and sign that costa Rican left back Diaz who does look quality and we would probably have money to burn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 22 June, 2014 Share Posted 22 June, 2014 I don't think that suits Shaw either - if he wants to play in the Champion's League, why would he sign there and come back on loan? Err because they have not qualified for the CL next season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stug76 Posted 22 June, 2014 Share Posted 22 June, 2014 Err because they have not qualified for the CL next season? How does signing for a club not in the Champions League, then being loaned to another club who isn't in the Champions League satisfy his need to play in the Champions League? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 22 June, 2014 Share Posted 22 June, 2014 (edited) How does signing for a club not in the Champions League, then being loaned to another club who isn't in the Champions League satisfy his need to play in the Champions League? It's a long game Is suspect in the next 3 years united will win a trophy and be in the champions league We will be miles from both Edited 22 June, 2014 by Batman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 22 June, 2014 Share Posted 22 June, 2014 Club secretary (who deals with transfers) is in Manchester today..... Make of that what you will..... visiting sick mother-in-law ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stug76 Posted 22 June, 2014 Share Posted 22 June, 2014 It's a long game Is suspect in the next 3 years united will win a trophy and be in the champions league We will be miles from both It's a risk. If he wants champions league football then you don't go to Utd, and you definitely don't get loaned back to Saints. Which trophy do you think Utd will win? At the moment that are a few teams aheads of them that are going to be trying do the same, and I don't see them winning the league. So maybe a cup. We might win a cup. Don't get me wrong he's got more chance of silverware at utd, I just don't see them as the go to club if you want to win things anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 22 June, 2014 Share Posted 22 June, 2014 (edited) It's a risk. If he wants champions league football then you don't go to Utd, and you definitely don't get loaned back to Saints. Which trophy do you think Utd will win? At the moment that are a few teams aheads of them that are going to be trying do the same, and I don't see them winning the league. So maybe a cup. We might win a cup. Don't get me wrong he's got more chance of silverware at utd, I just don't see them as the go to club if you want to win things anymore. I would suggest if you want champion league football you do go to united. As can't see city coming in for him and Chelsea appear not to be coming in for him They were champions just over a year ago and now have a proper manager with a decent squad and some serious money to spend. I suspect they will make top 4 at least next season. I bet united win a trophy in the next 3 seasons. Throw in they are one of the biggest sport clubs of any variety on the planet and would probably command £100k a week There are so many reasons to go to united with very few to stay at saints Edited 22 June, 2014 by Batman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 22 June, 2014 Share Posted 22 June, 2014 There are plenty of reasons to go to Utd, but there are also plenty to stay at Saints. We shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 22 June, 2014 Share Posted 22 June, 2014 If I were Koeman I would cash in - £30m for Shaw is good. Gutted to see him leave but if it gives the club leverage to keep Lovren and Lallana then that works for me. Whats more (and I accept I am ignoring his potential and he is young) but there are frankly better left backs out there we could secure for £8-10m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 22 June, 2014 Share Posted 22 June, 2014 If I were Koeman I would cash in - £30m for Shaw is good. Gutted to see him leave but if it gives the club leverage to keep Lovren and Lallana then that works for me. Whats more (and I accept I am ignoring his potential and he is young) but there are frankly better left backs out there we could secure for £8-10m. People keep saying this, but fail to mention names. Who would they be? Given that they'd need to have played PL football, are attacking in nature and have played internationally. People said exactly the same after we let Bale go, and Oxo. The simple fact is that we will not be able to replace him with anyone near his level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 22 June, 2014 Share Posted 22 June, 2014 I would suggest if you want champion league football you do go to united. As can't see city coming in for him and Chelsea appear not to be coming in for him They were champions just over a year ago and now have a proper manager with a decent squad and some serious money to spend. I suspect they will make top 4 at least next season. I bet united win a trophy in the next 3 seasons. Throw in they are one of the biggest sport clubs of any variety on the planet and would probably command £100k a week There are so many reasons to go to united with very few to stay at saints This. Liverpool had a great advantage in the PL last season; they weren't playing in the CL. This coming season will be the same for United. I really cannot see them failing to finish in the top four again. Especially with LVG as manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewYorkSaint Posted 22 June, 2014 Share Posted 22 June, 2014 Today's Sun story of Luke looking for a threesome just might change the equation. Maybe he shrugs it off with a laugh, but if he has strong relationship with his family, they might encourage him to stay a little at home a bit longer. OR he might feel a little shamefaced and decide a new start is definitely what's needed. A good time for saints fans to reach out to him and tell him we still love him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 22 June, 2014 Share Posted 22 June, 2014 Today's Sun story of Luke looking for a threesome just might change the equation. Maybe he shrugs it off with a laugh, but if he has strong relationship with his family, they might encourage him to stay a little at home a bit longer. OR he might feel a little shamefaced and decide a new start is definitely what's needed. A good time for saints fans to reach out to him and tell him we still love him! Or reach out and tell him to stop being such a bellend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 22 June, 2014 Share Posted 22 June, 2014 fair point newyorksaint good time for saints fans to reach out to him and tell him we still love him! reach out to him but Im not getting into a threesome with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redder freak Posted 22 June, 2014 Share Posted 22 June, 2014 http://www.givemesport.com/476419-louis-van-gaal-worried-over-lack-of-man-united-transfer-success The media hysterical frenzy continues. Buisness as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 June, 2014 Share Posted 22 June, 2014 http://www.givemesport.com/476419-louis-van-gaal-worried-over-lack-of-man-united-transfer-success The media hysterical frenzy continues. Buisness as usual. What does he expect, if you're not in Europe you'll struggle for top,top players. Next season perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedmaul Posted 22 June, 2014 Share Posted 22 June, 2014 fair point newyorksaint good time for saints fans to reach out to him and tell him we still love him! reach out to him but Im not getting into a threesome with him TBH Mr Viking, I don't reckon Luke had you in mind in his fantasy threesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 22 June, 2014 Share Posted 22 June, 2014 (edited) TBH Mr Viking, I don't reckon Luke had you in mind in his fantasy threesome. A luke Shaw threesome involving a viking warrior? I can't even begin to imagine the headline in the Sun for that one!!! Edit: Yes I can:- LUKE SHAW GOES BERSERKER! The viking warrior was reported to be disgusted at the England starlet's table manners. Edited 22 June, 2014 by Ohio Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 22 June, 2014 Share Posted 22 June, 2014 What does he expect, if you're not in Europe you'll struggle for top,top players. Next season perhaps. Plus most of the names mentioned in the article have the World Cup to consider at the moment. A slight distraction, which perhaps Hummels for example is prioritising over transfer speculation ( AL take note). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 Or is it £30m including add ons with the basic fee paid over 5 years with £5-10m up front. £30m cash is one thing instalments are quite anther. Lallana £25m £15m over 5 years and £10m dubious add ons, no way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoPints Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 If Shaw does go, I'd happily take Hernandez and some cash. He's looked good since he's been on tonight and I thought he did well last time he came on for Mexico. Hernandez and Pelle as the front two works for me, or Pelle up front with Hernandez and Rodriguez out wide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoPints Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 Ooh, he's gone and scored now... that'll up his price! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/manchester-united-increase-luke-shaw-3751042 34m according the Mirror. Good number but depends on the conditions as to how good a deal it is, i.e how much up front etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoPints Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 £34m is a good number. We could get a good replacement and a couple of other players for that. We'll need a big squad for European football after this season. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2666337/Luke-Shaws-40m-price-tag-rocks-Manchester-United-Southampton-bid-England-ace.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/manchester-united-increase-luke-shaw-3751042 34m according the Mirror. Good number but depends on the conditions as to how good a deal it is, i.e how much up front etc. For £34m it may prove too hard to resist. Shame as he'll be worth double that one day but it gives us the chance to really strengthen on top of whatever other funds we have. Amazing what a front page story involving birds can add to your value... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 £34m is a good number. For £34m it may prove too hard to resist. Daily Mail claiming Saints want £40m... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2666337/Luke-Shaws-40m-price-tag-rocks-Manchester-United-Southampton-bid-England-ace.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 Daily Mail claiming Saints want £40m... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2666337/Luke-Shaws-40m-price-tag-rocks-Manchester-United-Southampton-bid-England-ace.html Fair play to us. Thought £34m would've done it. Luke needs to bother some more women to up the price more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 No idea if the mirror or mail is true, but nice to read these huge figures rather than the poxy ones. I said £37m for Shaw at it looks like it might get close to that figure to prise him from us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 Papers just making up numbers and keeping the Shaw to United rumour going, all bo!!ocks, can't believe how gullible some are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 I'd let him go for that. We need three £12m players more than one £36m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoPints Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 Daily Mail claiming Saints want £40m... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2666337/Luke-Shaws-40m-price-tag-rocks-Manchester-United-Southampton-bid-England-ace.html OK, I take it back... I'll take £40m :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 £35m+ is crazy money and we would be mental not to take it Depending how it is structured of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 For £34m it may prove too hard to resist. Shame as he'll be worth double that one day but it gives us the chance to really strengthen on top of whatever other funds we have. Amazing what a front page story involving birds can add to your value... Highly possible he won't ever be worth double that. He's still only a left back. I'd say MUFC are mainly planning to have Shaw as a United player for the next 12-15 years, as opposed to a sell - on investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stud mark of doom Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 Daily Mail claiming Saints want £40m... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2666337/Luke-Shaws-40m-price-tag-rocks-Manchester-United-Southampton-bid-England-ace.html That's more like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoPints Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 Papers just making up numbers and keeping the Shaw to United rumour going, all bo!!ocks, can't believe how gullible some are. I concur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 Highly possible he won't ever be worth double that. He's still only a left back. I'd say MUFC are mainly planning to have Shaw as a United player for the next 12-15 years, as opposed to a sell - on investment. Unless they want to gradually develop him into midfield ala Bale. Shaw is at his best going forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 £34m is good, £40m is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 Unless they want to gradually develop him into midfield ala Bale. Shaw is at his best going forward There has been a fair bit of talk about this, and reckon in a few years that is what he will do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 Unless they want to gradually develop him into midfield ala Bale. Shaw is at his best going forward I doubt shaw will do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 I actually think Shaw is an excellent defender. Can barely recall a wide player getting the better of him over 90mins. Re the fee its not the headline amount thats important, it is how it is structured and what benefit we get immediately than can allow us to improve our team. Doubtless it will be made up of many add ons, some of which we will probably never get Should insist on a big sell on fee too, chances are he will move again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 Unless they want to gradually develop him into midfield ala Bale. Shaw is at his best going forward Well he'd playing as a wing-back in Van Gaal's system. He'd probably have more license to get forward than with us -and that's saying something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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