Southampton 'B' team will walk league 3

[Saint Pete]

Ridiculous idea from the FA - can't see how this would have any benefit for the England side, only further encouragement to the top 4/5 clubs to stockpile players who they have little or no intention of ever playing in their first teams.

 

There is a problem with talented English youngsters joining the big teams for big wages and then not getting games, thus stifling their development, but this is approaching that problem in a completely arse about face way! They need to find ways of limiting the big clubs (e.g. Chelsea) from having these massive squads of players in the first place, so that they remain in or join clubs lower down the prem or football leagues and get games for them instead.

 

We have a great system of depth of good size football clubs down the leagues who would love to have the young talented players turning out for them, not playing against them for 'B' teams of the rich clubs!

[Verbal Kint]

A lack of alternatives shouldn't mean adopting a really poor idea though.

 

To be honest I think if they did absolutely nothing, the problem COULD resolve itself. Only time would tell, but the trend of endless signings, endless foreign players, endless management changes is being shown to regularly fail. Teams are getting into financial trouble too often and they need to learn. Players need to learn too, from the example of Rodwell, Sinclair and others, than first team football is more vital than money.

 

I think these lessons ARE being learned, albeit slowly. Saints have been a good model and will inspire clubs to do the same, to trust younger players. It can't go on forever any other way.

 

If doing bugger all is infinitely preferable to Dyke's idea, then we have the wrong FA Chairman.

 

Talking about this with people and I asked why young players need to get first team football lower down the leagues? Why can't they get their experience playing in the Premier League?

 

The response: "Because premier league clubs can't afford to gamble on young players." That right there is a massive part of the problem. The attitude that playing young players is a "gamble" has to change. I'd like to think Saints have started that change of mentality slightly.

 

All this scheme will do is to encourage the Chelsea transfer policy. Hoover up as many young players with talent as possible for low fees due to EPPP, loan them out (put them in the B team), allow them to be nurtured by other people, see their transfer values rise, sell them for a profit. If they do this with another players they will be able to fund their next extravagant purchase and it will help them towards Uefa FFP. And they do all this knowing full well they will barely/never kick a ball for the first team.

 

It stinks

[teamsaint]

It does indeed stink.

 

I wonder what the 10K Gasheads who were present to see their team lose their league status would have to say, for instance.

Would have been interesting to see Dykehead announce his plans in front of the Tote End, (as once was).

 

If there is a need for change, which I don't accept, how about some sort of formalisation of feeder clubs?

Not saying I am in favour, but it might have something going for it if there were advantageous loan arrangements for feeder clubs, perhaps.

Plenty of scope up north, and in the big cities and fans of a club like Bury might benefit from seeing rather better quality players than currently.

 

And obviously we would lurve to have our own feeder club..........

[70's Mike]

The primary issue for me is coaching. There simply aren't enough coaches of the required standard at youth levels, and a large part of that is because of the cost of getting the relevant qualifications.

 

The UEFA A Licence course apparently costs anywhere between £2500 and £3500, depending on where in the country you are. In Spain, the course costs the equivalent of £435. It's little wonder there are at least ten times more qualified coaches in Spain.

 

As a Chairman of a local Club I agree about cost of courses, but my problem is the best/better kids are gobbled up by Academy's from 8/9 so surely its down to the coaching at the professional clubs and not grass roots. We had 5/6 a side tournaments for 7/8/9/10 last weekend and had scouts from 4 professional clubs watching ,imo until the premier league insist that their academy's at 16 and upwards have 50% english boys then nothing will get better

[Sour Mash]

Maybe I'm missing something, but this "B" team idea is never going to get off the ground is it?

[70's Mike]

Maybe I'm missing something, but this "B" team idea is never going to get off the ground is it?

 

think it will because it means the premier league will not have to face the real problem, which is their attitude in the greed is good league

[Monk]

This country & board really ****ing winds me up sometimes:

 

The commission has set targets and an overall generic improvement in our game. They have looked at what other countries do successfully and also looked at we need to do. We need our own identity not just copying word for word from another country (too many variables). Europe envy our 92 tier system, the fact a non league team can get 3-4k at a game is incredible.

 

We are an Island mentality and hate change. Dyke has set a target and challenge as opposed to just collecting his salary. The research included talking to grassroots volunteers, average football fan, academy and pro club staff and other national leagues.

 

How about as a nation, we back our FA who have been accused of being an old boys club and complacent in the past and recognise they are being more pro-active. He openly admits the finer details need improving and this isn't the complete solution. Instead of finger pointing and ridiculing, why don't you propose an idea that won't be ridiculed?

 

I don't agree with the B league but believe financial rewards should be given to clubs who meet criteria around homegrown squad selections? (As football is so money orientated).

 

Just FYI the Belgium & German FA's have conducted study trips to St George's Park over the last 12 months and absolutely love what we are doing around coach education. We are leading the way in youth coach education.

[Monk]

Additionally Saints didn't discuss the matter with the FA as the clubs belief is a players education and development should be here.

[Monk]

The primary issue for me is coaching. There simply aren't enough coaches of the required standard at youth levels, and a large part of that is because of the cost of getting the relevant qualifications.

 

The UEFA A Licence course apparently costs anywhere between £2500 and £3500, depending on where in the country you are. In Spain, the course costs the equivalent of £435. It's little wonder there are at least ten times more qualified coaches in Spain.

 

True stats but see my last post.

[jamesfp1]

"All premier league clubs must name a minimum of 4 academy produced, English players in each matchday squad."

[Dr Who?]

Why would we support this? We produce and play our young players in the first team.

 

http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/the-football-association-say-no-to-b-teams

[Chewy]

This country & board really ****ing winds me up sometimes:

 

The commission has set targets and an overall generic improvement in our game. They have looked at what other countries do successfully and also looked at we need to do. We need our own identity not just copying word for word from another country (too many variables). Europe envy our 92 tier system, the fact a non league team can get 3-4k at a game is incredible.

 

We are an Island mentality and hate change. Dyke has set a target and challenge as opposed to just collecting his salary. The research included talking to grassroots volunteers, average football fan, academy and pro club staff and other national leagues.

 

How about as a nation, we back our FA who have been accused of being an old boys club and complacent in the past and recognise they are being more pro-active. He openly admits the finer details need improving and this isn't the complete solution. Instead of finger pointing and ridiculing, why don't you propose an idea that won't be ridiculed?

 

I don't agree with the B league but believe financial rewards should be given to clubs who meet criteria around homegrown squad selections? (As football is so money orientated).

 

Just FYI the Belgium & German FA's have conducted study trips to St George's Park over the last 12 months and absolutely love what we are doing around coach education. We are leading the way in youth coach education.

 

So what's wrong with my ideas?? I've suggested a few things that to me make a hell of a lot more sense and I've not had dykes time, money or specialists to call upon. I think his idea stinks and does damage to the lower league clubs, as well as pitch the youngsters development at conference level. Not sure it deserves much support.

[Monk]

So what's wrong with my ideas?? I've suggested a few things that to me make a hell of a lot more sense and I've not had dykes time, money or specialists to call upon. I think his idea stinks and does damage to the lower league clubs, as well as pitch the youngsters development at conference level. Not sure it deserves much support.

 

I will read tonight.

[Cascadia Saint]

So what happens when a club gets relegated from the Prem? Does their B-team just cease to exist?

 

Surely that would be a huge admin / cost / logistical nightmare, especially for a yo-yo team.

[Matthew Le God]

Additionally Saints didn't discuss the matter with the FA as the clubs belief is a players education and development should be here.

 

Any Saints B team would play at St Mary's/Staplewood/possibly Eastleigh and train at Staplewood with Saints coaches.

 

Daily Mail think Saints would prefer closer links with a feeder club rather than a B-team...

 

But Dyke will suggest an alternative for PL clubs who oppose a B-team league, by offering them an official alliance with a lower-tier side. Southampton favour this feeder option, although Football League fans might not be so enamoured.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2622852/FA-chairman-Greg-Dyke-plans-regionalise-lower-leagues-Premier-League-B-teams.html#readerCommentsCommand-message-field

 

Which would mean Saints players not playing or training at Staplewood with Saints coaches.

[Barry Sanchez]

Wage caps and spending limits are the only way to go, will never happen, the big clubs will always have their own clique and the only way to get in (City and Chelsea) is by 100's on millions of pounds.

Nothing will ever change this system.

[Chewy]

That's exactly the problem. It's a gamble to give youngsters a chance. It's more of a gamble to spend millions of pounds of unproven players from foreign leagues. Would an academy striker have done worse for Norwich than Van Wolfswinkel for instance? Is Jack Cork much worse than Mikel? I think he's better, maybe I'm biassed, but he never got a look in at Chelsea.

 

The problem is a lack of Premier league game time for English youngsters. The solution is apparently to get them playing matches no-one cares about in League 3.

 

Yet being against it, protesting etc brings us claims of being afraid of change, and Dyke saying 'well we're doomed them'. WTF?!

 

Exactly right. Gotta love his arrogance 'stop your whining, we have to do something so do what i say'.

 

Well what about the fact that all that time, money and resource have come up with an idea that will encourage the big clubs to hoard players, have them playing at a worse level, and restrict opportunities to lower league clubs? Do you mind, Greg, if we open our mouths to just question if that's the best you could do?

 

Christ alive, why is football run by such morons? Judging by this board, the bbc board, and the commentary I've read and heard I think about 90 per cent of fans think this aspect of the proposals is utter rubbish. But don't worry Greg, you go ahead because it's clearly better than doing nothing.

[Baird of the land]

That's exactly the problem. It's a gamble to give youngsters a chance. It's more of a gamble to spend millions of pounds of unproven players from foreign leagues. Would an academy striker have done worse for Norwich than Van Wolfswinkel for instance? Is Jack Cork much worse than Mikel? I think he's better, maybe I'm biassed, but he never got a look in at Chelsea.

 

The problem is a lack of Premier league game time for English youngsters. The solution is apparently to get them playing matches no-one cares about in League 3.

 

Yet being against it, protesting etc brings us claims of being afraid of change, and Dyke saying 'well we're doomed them'. WTF?!

 

Yeah Jack Cork repeatedly did well on loan in the Championship, yet Chelsea showed no interest in playing him in their 1st team because they had millions they could spend on proven foreign imports. This B league idea will do nothing for getting prem clubs to play their youngsters but will destroy the football league.

[Monk]

You're ****ed off with the country and board, yet you agree about the B teams.

 

All the reaction has been about the B teams, the other criteria don't worry me and I have absolutely no problem with change if it's well thought out and for the good of the game rather than the big clubs.

 

I'd have no problem with incentives or rulings to include u21 players or homegrown players in the team or match day squad.

 

This debate is purely about B teams and I can only see it ruining the leagues and providing no help to player development or England. If you can think of any reasons why it would help England and why it wouldn't hurt the league clubs then please explain it to me because I feel like I'm missing something. I'm yet to see any fan suggest it's a good thing. If it was a carefully laid out plan that clearly would help the national side then there might be some debate (and I'd still side with the league clubs), but it isn't.

 

Just find it bizarre someone would turn on fans and bring out the 'afraid of change' card in response to such an appalling, detrimental idea.

 

I said that the B team isn't the solution in my opinion. Not once did I endorse it, I endorse the fact they are trying to be pro active and 90% of people have nothing constructive to add.

[Baird of the land]

Gotta hand it to scudamore. Stand back and hand dyke enough rope to hang himself with and then you can come along and be the reasonable hero who is against the destruction of the football and your suggestions will likely slide through.