benjii Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 Harsh bro. I dunno bout sitters, they was the sort of chances you quite often see getting missed. Indeed. If we're talking sitters then Lambert at Sunderland.... Gallagher has started three league games and looked very promising. Two of those three were against Arsenal and Everton so not exactly poor teams. He will be a very useful player. Put it this way, he looked much better than Shaw did in his first couple of senior games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 Are the same people ruling Gallagher out now the same that ruled out JRod after 10 games last year...? I'm glad somebody posted this, as he reminds me of JRod in his early days with us. He runs at and presses the opposition well, his movement isn't bad, his work rate is very good, he gets into some decent positions, but he lacks experience, lacks the confidence to shoot from distance, he hasn't adjusted to our game yet and he isn't fully aware of how his teammates play and move. He has done nothing wrong, but nothing spectacular. But if he keeps playing and improving he does have the ability to work well for us next season. Whatever happens, playing him now is a very safe way of finding out whether he is worth sticking with. We have no other fully fit, fully mobile strikers. We have no 'better' options. We also have nothing to lose so there is no downside to playing him for a few games in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 (edited) He'll learn. Who's ever heard of an 18-year old striker ripping 'em apart in the Premier League? Edited 4 May, 2014 by Whitey Grandad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 dear lord.......what on earth is it with some of our "fans"? The lad is 18 and while a long way from the finished article he appears to have a lot of potential and his movement is first rate. For those slating the poor lad, how many chances did SRL get when he came on? Pretty much none because our midfield, per most of the season, while being very good with the ball create very few chances. Been the same all season. How about Cork and his shooting prowess? Oh, that's right Jack Cork can do no wrong. I too find it somewhat amusing that people are able to consign him to the scrapheap so readily. It's just setting yourself up for a massive fail down the line. While there is no guarantee that Sam is going to be the next superstar, he's ahead of all the other academy kids for a reason and hasn't done himself any harm through his performances so far. Most sensible fans realise how young he is, know he's lacking a bit of composure but understand that he's got a long time to work on it. Whatever next? Travelling down to the under-9s games and hurling abuse at the nippers? "Your shít and you're short!" "I agree mate. Toure would bulldoze the little bastard." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 Wow, there's the usual over reactions to other posts in here. 55 posts up to this point and only ONE poster has said he's not good enough, the others have nearly all said he's not ready YET (which implies that he possibly will be, given time), which seems fair enough. Why is it such a crime to say he's not the finished article yet? He's pretty young and most people think he needs time to get up to PL level. I'm surprised that's being jumped on so much. Who, apart from Window Cleaner has "consigned him to the scrapheap"? Too many posters on here are so desperate to be the voice of reason these days that they don't really bother reading most of the posts, they just look for one rogue opinion they can jump on. There'll always be one or two to voice the minority opinion, the exception that proves the rule, stop obsessing over those posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 Wow, there's the usual over reactions to other posts in here. 55 posts up to this point and only ONE poster has said he's not good enough, the others have nearly all said he's not ready YET (which implies that he possibly will be, given time), which seems fair enough. Why is it such a crime to say he's not the finished article yet? He's pretty young and most people think he needs time to get up to PL level. I'm surprised that's being jumped on so much. Who, apart from Window Cleaner has "consigned him to the scrapheap"? Too many posters on here are so desperate to be the voice of reason these days that they don't really bother reading most of the posts, they just look for one rogue opinion they can jump on. There'll always be one or two to voice the minority opinion, the exception that proves the rule, stop obsessing over those posts. stedje reckons he's ordinary, S-Clarke reckons he's championship, Saint_Tony reckons he's destined for League One. There are other opinions on his present readiness to be had too. I'll admit; no-one's suggesting he should be sent to the knacker's yard, but relatively speaking, he's being rated as much worse than our other youngsters with very little game time to form those opinions on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 Wow, there's the usual over reactions to other posts in here. 55 posts up to this point and only ONE poster has said he's not good enough, the others have nearly all said he's not ready YET (which implies that he possibly will be, given time), which seems fair enough. Why is it such a crime to say he's not the finished article yet? He's pretty young and most people think he needs time to get up to PL level. I'm surprised that's being jumped on so much. Who, apart from Window Cleaner has "consigned him to the scrapheap"? Too many posters on here are so desperate to be the voice of reason these days that they don't really bother reading most of the posts, they just look for one rogue opinion they can jump on. There'll always be one or two to voice the minority opinion, the exception that proves the rule, stop obsessing over those posts. I didn't consign him to the scrap heap, I said that in hius current state he is detrimental to the quality of the first team. He should be in the U21s or whatever they call it where he belongs and a respectable striker should have been signed in January to replace Osvaldo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 stedje reckons he's ordinary, S-Clarke reckons he's championship, Saint_Tony reckons he's destined for League One. There are other opinions on his present readiness to be had too. I'll admit; no-one's suggesting he should be sent to the knacker's yard, but relatively speaking, he's being rated as much worse than our other youngsters with very little game time to form those opinions on. As far as I can see S-Clarke said he's not ready YET. Stedje thinks he's championship level, hardly the scrapheap. Saint Tony thinks he's been rushed into the team because of a lack of options and that he might end up playing league one, that's happened to loads of players who weren't ready and had to work their way back up through the ranks. This still adds up to three posters in 55 posts who think he won't make it and the rest all think he needs more time to develop. This just doesn't tally with the idea of saying he's much worse, consigned to the scrapheap, being "slated" or "being ruled out". The consensus is very clearly that he needs time to develop. Why obsess over a small minority that think he'll end up a level below (two posters) or two levels below (one poster). This is just silly, he's being rated as needing more time to develop. By nearly everybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 I'd loan him out to a Championship side next year. He's not good enough to be anywhere near a top half premiership first 11 atm, especially in a team that only plays one striker. If he scores 15/20+ goals in the Championship by all means bring him back and give him another chance, but he seems about on a par with someone like Dexter Blackstock atm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 As far as I can see S-Clarke said he's not ready YET. Stedje thinks he's championship level, hardly the scrapheap. Saint Tony thinks he's been rushed into the team because of a lack of options and that he might end up playing league one, that's happened to loads of players who weren't ready and had to work their way back up through the ranks. This still adds up to three posters in 55 posts who think he won't make it and the rest all think he needs more time to develop. This just doesn't tally with the idea of saying he's much worse, consigned to the scrapheap, being "slated" or "being ruled out". The consensus is very clearly that he needs time to develop. Why obsess over a small minority that think he'll end up a level below (two posters) or two levels below (one poster). This is just silly, he's being rated as needing more time to develop. By nearly everybody. I never once said that everybody was consigning him to the scrapheap. I'd have thought it would have been incredibly obvious, given that I was actually replying to someone who shares a similar view to me. What point are you arguing here? That I think everyone is writing him off? Here's what I wrote. I too find it somewhat amusing that people are able to consign him to the scrapheap so readily. It's just setting yourself up for a massive fail down the line. While there is no guarantee that Sam is going to be the next superstar, he's ahead of all the other academy kids for a reason and hasn't done himself any harm through his performances so far. Most sensible fans realise how young he is, know he's lacking a bit of composure but understand that he's got a long time to work on it. How on earth do you justify your little rant based on that? Get a grip, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 I'd loan him out to a Championship side next year. He's not good enough to be anywhere near a top half premiership first 11 atm, especially in a team that only plays one striker. If he scores 15/20+ goals in the Championship by all means bring him back and give him another chance, but he seems about on a par with someone like Dexter Blackstock atm I'm not so sure, the choice is which would be better - going to a Championship or League 1 side and playing there or staying with us, probably playing with the U21s and maybe sitting on the bench for the seniors. A loan could be great experience, but equally he could not have a great start, lose confidence and not grow much there. If he stayed in Southampton, he'd have the benefit of all our coaching staff and facilities as well as learning our style with more depth. It's a hard one, we generally don't loan out players, but it sounds like Stephens' is having a good run at Swindon. I think a loan would be good only if we can get in at least another two forwards over the summer, and to a team that would be able to give Gallagher the service he needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 I'm not so sure, the choice is which would be better - going to a Championship or League 1 side and playing there or staying with us, probably playing with the U21s and maybe sitting on the bench for the seniors. A loan could be great experience, but equally he could not have a great start, lose confidence and not grow much there. If he stayed in Southampton, he'd have the benefit of all our coaching staff and facilities as well as learning our style with more depth. It's a hard one, we generally don't loan out players, but it sounds like Stephens' is having a good run at Swindon. I think a loan would be good only if we can get in at least another two forwards over the summer, and to a team that would be able to give Gallagher the service he needs. I think strikers are an exception. With the system we play we can't afford to carry a below standard striker just to try and aid their development, especially if we want to be pushing top 6 next season. To improve next season we need top quality in the first 11 and top quality on the bench, Gallagher just isn't close to being that right now. We need Cork and Clyne quality on the bench. Could loan him to Bournemouth maybe so as not to unsettle him, dont know what they're like in the striker department? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restark19 Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 Watched him closely in the Arsenal game, thought his movement was excellent and was unlucky not to score some hard chances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 Watched him closely in the Arsenal game, thought his movement was excellent and was unlucky not to score some hard chances He missed a sitter that game. His movements OK but I don't think he's anywhere near our standard, yet. Maybe pre-season will do him the world of good but if it doesn't then we should look to loan him out to a Football League club imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restark19 Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 He missed a sitter that game. His movements OK but I don't think he's anywhere near our standard, yet. Maybe pre-season will do him the world of good but if it doesn't then we should look to loan him out to a Football League club imo. Rickie missed a sitter in the cup against sunderland, it happens. I doubt anyone actually believes he should be first (or even second or third choice) but imo he's got the ability to become a top class striker and keeping him in and around the first team will only help progress as it has done for JWP, Shaw, Chambers etc. Being a striker is probably the hardest job, he's done very well for an 18 year old in the premier league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 In our present position I think it's right for him to be given a few full games but I wouldn't want him to be starting at the beginning of next season. Scent from my wife's bottle of No. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 He'll learn. Who's ever heard of an 18-year old striker ripping 'em apart in the Premier League? Umm, here's an 18yo for you along with his stats.......http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/michael-owen/leistungsdaten/spieler_1397_1997.html#GB1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 He's 18 and I sometimes get the feeling he's still growing into his frame, although I trust Saints not to overplay a young player who is still growing and filling out. In a recent interview he commented on how he was still adapting to the sheer physicality and pace of the premiership, but I've seen signs of improvement in the last few matches and him getting out of situations through using his strength. It's a big step up from scoring against Pompey youth this season and then starting in the premiership! He's actually got good pace, particularly for someone so tall. It will be interesting to see how he progresses with a full pre-season with the first team under his belt. Personally I think he's got the attributes to make it, but I shall wait a bit before any definitive judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 Umm, here's an 18yo for you along with his stats.......http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/michael-owen/leistungsdaten/spieler_1397_1997.html#GB1 Fair point, but that was quite a while ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 Will be in 2045 doesn't solve our problem does it? Should be out on loan somewhere to grasp the basics of goalscoring in real games before he gets chucked into the deep-end of the PL. No-one else does it, why do we? I expect a lot more clubs would do it if a) they had decent young players in the pipeline and b) they are unlikely to drop any league places regardless. Surely our current position is ideal to blood younger players like Reed and Gallagher. We do not loan out our youngsters - it seems to be a deliberate policy, and I trust the reasoning of those that made the policy. You have a perfect right to your opinion on Gallagher, but I think you are way of base in this regard. Some of your posts on this thread sound like you are desperate to be categorised with Glasgow Saint and Barry Sanchez! All IMHO of course.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 One for the future. The experience he is getting now will do him good, but we are desperate for a really good striker over the summer. Can't think who that might be though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 One for the future. The experience he is getting now will do him good, but we are desperate for a really good striker over the summer. Can't think who that might be though. Need to hope our scouts can unearth a Bony or a Michu in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 Need to hope our scouts can unearth a Bony or a Michu in the summer. Hope we are looking at Yilmaz at Galatasaray, feel he could be obtained for a decent amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 Hope we are looking at Yilmaz at Galatasaray, feel he could be obtained for a decent amount. Not to sure about that after Fulham paid almost £14m for Mitroglou... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 Not to sure about that after Fulham paid almost £14m for Mitroglou... Thought he came from Greece? And was a bit of a panic buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 Thought he came from Greece? And was a bit of a panic buy. That's a good point. Although I think we're prepared to take a cheapish punt (Mayuka?) and know the risks, I don't think we do panic buys, hence no January arrivals, who we didn't need anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 (edited) Not to sure about that after Fulham paid almost £14m for Mitroglou... Mitroglou, who's 1) been out of most games through injury and 2) is an entirely separate human being to Burak Yilmaz. Who knows, Mitroglou might make a cracking signing for someone in the Premier League! He hasn't had a chance yet. Edited 4 May, 2014 by DuncanRG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 Yes hes scored 2 times for us but is he really up to the premier league yet? Against Arsenal he had a sitter to double our lead but he ****ed it up. Yesterday against Swansea he had a great headed chance to scored but again messed up. I can remember others against Villa. Is he up to it yet? I think not. ...........NO ......and he won't be for at least a season, maybe more. When a young talent is introduced he/ they often play a few good games but always lack consistancy......obviously. Channon, Shearer and even MLT took a long time to get established as a first team regular. Not to say we shouldn't perserver with young Sam, but not expecting him to lead the line every time he's picked. NOTE: Remember that JayRod didn't really "click " until after Christmas and had a very indifferent first season. Given game time..... Sam will get established.....and a few goals along the way won't do his confidence any harm either. " One for the future " ....definitely ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 Anyone else remember how James Beattie looked out of sorts in his early months with Saints ? Gallagher needs time to develop. .....not just in his early months either. It took nearly two seasons for him to become a " regular " on the team sheet and his goal tally in that time was pitiful. In his first two seasons he started 30 games and came on as sub 23 times ...and scored only 5 times.........and for the record ...Alan Shearer wasn't much better .....(in the beginning). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 .....not just in his early months either. It took nearly two seasons for him to become a " regular " on the team sheet and his goal tally in that time was pitiful. In his first two seasons he started 30 games and came on as sub 23 times ...and scored only 5 times.........and for the record ...Alan Shearer wasn't much better .....(in the beginning). I thought Alan Shearer scored a hat trick in his debut game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 And barely ever after that, for the next two or three seasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cestrian Saint Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 The lad needs time. Missed a couple of good chances against Swansea yesterday. Had Lambert been in those positions I'm pretty sure he'd have buried them. I'd put him out on loan for the first 3 months of next season, assuming we actually go out and buy a couple of strikers this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cestrian Saint Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 I thought Alan Shearer scored a hat trick in his debut game? He did. A 4-2 win against Arsenal if I remember correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 He's not even at Championship level, in fact he's probably no better than Sharp. Will be in 2045 doesn't solve our problem does it? Should be out on loan somewhere to grasp the basics of goalscoring in real games before he gets chucked into the deep-end of the PL. No-one else does it, why do we? Jesus christ. Now I remember why I wanted to stay away from this place. What absolute b*llocks. Fwiw as a third choice striker, I think he's perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 I didn't consign him to the scrap heap, I said that in hius current state he is detrimental to the quality of the first team. He should be in the U21s or whatever they call it where he belongs and a respectable striker should have been signed in January to replace Osvaldo. So we sign this respectable striker - when does Gallagher get his chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 So we sign this respectable striker - when does Gallagher get his chance? When Lambert or the respectable striker are unavailable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 5 May, 2014 Share Posted 5 May, 2014 The only concern if you can call it that is his first touch. It hasn't been great which is at odds the the other youngsters that have come out of the academy. Aprt from that he needs game time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 5 May, 2014 Share Posted 5 May, 2014 Shaw was given a chance and he took it, though it took him a while to really get going. from his very first touch in his first game he looked top notch. He has got better of course, but he was `going' straight away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 5 May, 2014 Share Posted 5 May, 2014 Anyone else remember how James Beattie looked out of sorts in his early months with Saints ? Gallagher needs time to develop. BT took bloody ages to find any sort of goal scoring form. I think it is fair to say many wondered if he ever would. However, is all round game caused defenders lots of problems and that was much appreciated by fans. Gallaghers all round game is not quite the same. He was good in the air on Saturday, although he hasn't been dominating like BT used to be, but he stretches defences much more with his off the ball running down the channels. He was a huge thorn in Arsenal's side at SMS, running their much lauded CBs ragged. I worry about how clinical he is, I guess that's everyone's worry on here, but as BT proved give him some time and he could well become a real star. We'll see. That said signing wingers/strikers in the summer seems inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 5 May, 2014 Share Posted 5 May, 2014 He did. A 4-2 win against Arsenal if I remember correctly. I was at that game and my old memory, which is not that good at the best of times, seems to always think it was 4-1 with us scoring an og Edit - so googling, it was 4-2. Tip, Google before posting rubbish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 5 May, 2014 Share Posted 5 May, 2014 Full marks to the lad for trying, but to my mind he has so far shown little to nothing that gives me hope that he will be a prem striker. Shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 5 May, 2014 Share Posted 5 May, 2014 To be fair it took JRod a while to turn into the player he was before his injury after joining us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambert1979 Posted 5 May, 2014 Share Posted 5 May, 2014 I thought he was excellent against arsenal - great movement, missed a chance that span unexpectedly and very quickly to him on if I recall, a wet pitch with the keeper getting off his line very quickly. Since then not too bad.....against Everton allowed Rickie to drop deeper by leading the line. Very happy to give him a run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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