SaintAndyB Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 Yes hes scored 2 times for us but is he really up to the premier league yet? Against Arsenal he had a sitter to double our lead but he ****ed it up. Yesterday against Swansea he had a great headed chance to scored but again messed up. I can remember others against Villa. Is he up to it yet? I think not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 Not ready yet, but what choice do we have? Our only other striker options are either injured (Rodriguez out and Lambert not fit enough to start yesterday) or out on loan (Osvaldo and Mayuka). There's no-one left. Ideally Gallagher wouldn't be thrown in the side in the way that he has but there are genuinely no other options, so that's the way it has to be. Better to ask why we're in that situation in the first place than lamenting the fact that a very young lad may not quite be ready for a top 8 Premier League side just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 Harsh bro. I dunno bout sitters, they was the sort of chances you quite often see getting missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 Yes he is up to it. He's a young lad in the prem who's only had a handful of games & is playing often cos osvaldo is an idiot and Jrod is injured. Hope next season he get a few chances to play out wide in a Jrod type role and hopefully we'll have a non nutter attacking challenging Rickie for the up top role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Golden Balls Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 I was close to starting a thread about him after the Everton game. Yes I know he's young so has plenty of time to improve, but IMO he doesn't offer us anything right now. Maybe a year or 2 in the u21s/loan then he'll come good. But at the moment he doesn't do or add anything really. Can only imagine the reaction if it was Guly or Wanyama putting in such ineffective performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 I'm happy to give him a go, especially now when we have nothing to play for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrensup Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 He's the only striker we got apart from Lambert, so whether or not he's any good is pretty much irrelevant as he's the only option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 Sorry about this to all his potential fans but to me he just does not look the part. No gumption, no skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 He's the only striker we got apart from Lambert, so whether or not he's any good is pretty much irrelevant as he's the only option. But how we let ourselves get into that state beggars belief. We could easily have got someone in January for a few million to take the load off Rickie on occasions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 He is a very promising player but in all honesty not yet at PL level, although getting great experience at the end of this season. Would think in a full strength squad he would have a tough job getting on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrensup Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 But how we let ourselves get into that state beggars belief. We could easily have got someone in January for a few million to take the load off Rickie on occasions. Yes but we didn't. Also for a few million? Who would you have suggested we should have got in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 He is a very promising player but in all honesty not yet at PL level, although getting great experience at the end of this season. Would think in a full strength squad he would have a tough job getting on the bench. He's not even at Championship level, in fact he's probably no better than Sharp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 He's not even at Championship level, in fact he's probably no better than Sharp. Maybe not but he will be. Noticed Sharp didnt even start for Doncaster yesterday in their must win game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 Yes but we didn't. Also for a few million? Who would you have suggested we should have got in? Yatabaré, cheap and cheerful, also scores a lot of goals. Offer Guingamp 3 million and they'll bring him over in a rented yacht. We wouldn't have been looking for a kickass principal striker, just someone who can do the job on occasions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 Maybe not but he will be. Noticed Sharp didnt even start for Doncaster yesterday in their must win game. Will be in 2045 doesn't solve our problem does it? Should be out on loan somewhere to grasp the basics of goalscoring in real games before he gets chucked into the deep-end of the PL. No-one else does it, why do we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 Will be in 2045 doesn't solve our problem does it? Should be out on loan somewhere to grasp the basics of goalscoring in real games before he gets chucked into the deep-end of the PL. No-one else does it, why do we? Perhaps because its our formula and it clearly works? In terms of youth development needs I think we can trust the club and Management team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 Maybe not but he will be. Noticed Sharp didnt even start for Doncaster yesterday in their must win game. Sharp will be back with us next week then, hanging about doing nothing except picking up his cheque. I'd give him a number and put him on the bench against Utd if we've nothing else. We won't do that though, perhaps we even can't as he's played for 2 clubs already this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 Perhaps because its our formula and it clearly works? In terms of youth development needs I think we can trust the club and Management team! It's worked for Shaw and Chambers, certainly hasn't worked for Gazzaniga, I'm undecided about JWP and Gallagher certainly doesn't have the required qualities. It's mitigated at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 Why do you hate the kids so Windows? I think he's looked decent in the games I've seen him (granted I didn't see him yesterday). Thought he had a good game against Everton, was putting himself about a bit. I don't think the lack of gumption comment is at all fair. We didn't get anyone in in Jan, there really is no point moaning about it now. We've still got an 8th place finish, and our best ever Premier League finish, it's hardly been an awful season. He's just a lad, no problem with him playing in these dead rubber matches. Would love to see Reed get a start against Utd next week. I've seen nothing to suggest Gallagher can't become a good player for us. Hopefully the club have got him looking to and working closely with Rickie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 He's just a young lad with still lots to learn and it probably wasn't planned that he would be relied upon this season. Players can improve a great deal over a short space of time, something which our expert scouts regularly fail to understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 Why do you hate the kids so Windows? I think he's looked decent in the games I've seen him (granted I didn't see him yesterday). Thought he had a good game against Everton, was putting himself about a bit. I don't think the lack of gumption comment is at all fair. We didn't get anyone in in Jan, there really is no point moaning about it now. We've still got an 8th place finish, and our best ever Premier League finish, it's hardly been an awful season. He's just a lad, no problem with him playing in these dead rubber matches. Would love to see Reed get a start against Utd next week. I've seen nothing to suggest Gallagher can't become a good player for us. Hopefully the club have got him looking to and working closely with Rickie. I don't hate the kids, I dislike the practice of bringing them into the first team when we have nothing else when they obviously aren't ready. I think we waste far more money on the academy than we need to, we produce a few good players, all clubs do but we also produce a lot of failures. When the youngsters are ready then that's the time to introduce them to the first team and not when they're completely out of their depth as is the case with some, like Gallagher and Gazzaniga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 Sharp will be back with us next week then, hanging about doing nothing except picking up his cheque. I'd give him a number and put him on the bench against Utd if we've nothing else. We won't do that though, perhaps we even can't as he's played for 2 clubs already this season. Was only on the bench for Doncaster yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 Gallagher's chance v Arsenal was much tougher than it looked as it came across him at speed and his timing had to be inch perfect. Think we should cut him some slack considering the year he has had. Mick Channon missed plenty more in his first few seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 Not ready, his touch and movement are too static and he's not dynamic enough to play in our system as yet. He needs to go out to the NPC and have a hard season against big man mountains - that'll strengthen him up. Still believe he's playing as a consequence of our lack of depth, as opposed to the club truly believing he was ready to take the PL by storm just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 Sorry Windows mate, I simply cannot agree with any of that. We produce a lot of very good players, far more than any other club. Look at all the Prem/Championship players that started off at us. Yeah there is the glamour types like Theo, Ox Bale but also the dyer's, surman's etc. Can't imagine the cost of developing Shaw, Chambers, JWP & Lallana would come to a fraction of trying to purchase anyone of those players. At worst, they leave and we get a huge fee for them. The idea that you can buy better players for cheaper, as you suggest above, simply does not ring true. FWIW, our academy is one of the things I love most about Saints, along with our commitment to put faith in the youngsters. I know we've discussed this before, so we clearly aren't going to change each other's minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 I think part of the problem is too many people think every youngster we bring in and give a debut too will be the next big star player we produce like Shaw, Bale, Walcott etc. It's never going to happen. I'd wager that Gallagher will probably end up in League 1 soon enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 Good big imposing young centre forward with huge amount of potential. Of course he's not quite there and we need strikers over the summer.his technical skills need improvement but it will come. I think he's going to be a star in 2-3 years time. He can play for England if he works at it. I'd like to see him loaned out to a Championship club who have a good technical coach next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 I think part of the problem is too many people think every youngster we bring in and give a debut too will be the next big star player we produce like Shaw, Bale, Walcott etc. It's never going to happen. I'd wager that Gallagher will probably end up in League 1 soon enough I have no idea where he will end up, personally I don't like these young players holding the whole team back because we're obviously giving priority to developing them. If we had a reasonable replacement stiker we'd probably have beaten Cardiff, maybe Villa and a few other games. Lambert hasn't always been great this season and Mauricio has oft bemoaned our lack of finishing ability. A decent extra striker may just have given us the few points more that we needed to be amongst the big dogs, idem Gazzaniga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 I think Gallagher's done well so far. His header yesterday was a tough chance, ditto his one at Arsenal... and I seem to remember most people on here singing his praises after the Arsenal game? Saying about how he was pulling their defenders all over the place? And then a fair few people called for him to start over Lambert the game afterwards. He hasn't quite got the finishing down yet, granted, but his positioning is actually excellent. He won us the freekick that Lovren just put over yesterday, made Barry look like a mug on the halfway line last week, and he is very good at finding the space. He's a different kind of player from Rickie Lambert, who likes to drop back and isn't so keen to run behind defenders. I think we, as a team and as fans, have gotten used to playing with Lambert as a striker who drops deep and can pass fantastically, so it's strange when we've got Gallagher there instead. Personally I think Gallagher upfront with Lambert in the centre of the front three midfielders could be profitable. He's 18, for goodness' sake, and I know that doesn't automatically make him better, but he's only going to improve. A lot of this thread seems incredibly similar to some of the stuff spouted about JRod at the start of last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 He's still very raw and not ready for the first team IMO. I actually think Guly would have been a better bet to start up front in Rickie's absence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stedje Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 Sorry to say but to me he looks ordinary. The only reason he has been hyped so much is because there are so few really good English strikers his age. Yes he is strong but he lacks pace and ball control. He will end up in the championship. I hope I'm wrong but I dont think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swannymere Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 Seeing as we have nothing to play for i don't see any harm in giving him some experience, he looks raw but i think he's going to be tough yet awkward, he certainly doesn't give the defenders an easy time. Playing him now will pay dividends in the long term if he's to reach the required standard, and i seem to remember the usual suspects whining about J-Rod, Morgan and various other youngsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 I think he has done pretty well, kept the ball for us on a number of 50/50 occasions against Everton and has been in the right place for a few chances. If he had timed his run slightly better he would probably have made the header. Writing him off because his introduction might have been better in a year doesn't make much sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 He's raw and certainly needs to improve but he's 18 and will come good. He doesn't need a loan at all, he needs to stay and improve technically without the pressure of having to lead the line for a Championship team only to get dropped and lose his confidence. Right now he's the only fit striker in our squad who is in anyway interested in getting behind a defence. He at least tries to stretch a defence so he's useful He'll be OK and this thread will be bumped at some point next season when he goes on a scoring burst and is powering through defences because that's the type of player he will become. He needs time and we need to be patient and understand that these games will be a learning process for him that will benefit him and us in the long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 I don't hate the kids Hmm be honest windows, you ain't got no time for youth in the first team. Ur Saintsweb Mourinho! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 Couple of goals and BOOOM! We have another world class player on our hands imho Has all the attributes to be absolute class Just give him time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 Hmm be honest windows, you ain't got no time for youth in the first team. Ur Saintsweb Mourinho! I certainly have no time for youth that isn't good enough in the first team, it's why José doesn't do it either. The first team is exactly that, not a test bench for someone who might or might not be good enough in 18 months time. If they're good enough they're old enough, if not well there's always Yeovil and Salisbury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 Are the same people ruling Gallagher out now the same that ruled out JRod after 10 games last year...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 (edited) If we had a reasonable replacement stiker we'd probably have beaten Cardiff, maybe Villa and a few other games. . You may remember that we tried to sign a striker last summer. If Osvaldo had worked out Gallagher wouldn't be starting yet, simple as that. I certainly have no time for youth that isn't good enough in the first team, it's why José doesn't do it either. The first team is exactly that, not a test bench for someone who might or might not be good enough in 18 months time. If they're good enough they're old enough, if not well there's always Yeovil and Salisbury. Oh Christ tonight mate. Was Daniel Sturridge good enough to play at Chelsea? Players improve with experience and opportunities. Good managers who want to blood youngsters find the balance and give the kids as many opportunities as possible without hurting the team's chances in games. Gallagher has come through faster than we had planned because Osvaldo got loaned out. Harry Reed would be getting more games if Schneiderlin, Wanyama and Davis all had long term injuries. That's how it works. Edited 4 May, 2014 by DuncanRG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 Yeah it seems he has only been given a chance as we had no othet options Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 (edited) Couple of goals and BOOOM! We have another world class player on our hands imho Has all the attributes to be absolute class Just give him timeis that a couple of goals in 40 games, that is not a dig at Gallagher bTW Edited 4 May, 2014 by OldNick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 He harasses defenders into making mistakes. Against Everton Alcarez might not have been been panicked into heading into his own goal had Gallagher not been in position to intercept Rickie's deadly accurate pass. His brief is surely to add speed to the attack and create space for Rickie. This he does well. The goals will follow next season. Get off the lad's back, fellers. It is very unfair to infer comparison's with JayRod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 Yeah it seems he has only been given a chance as we had no othet options And the same could be said of Shaw. Give the kid time for Christ sake. They can't all look like world beaters from day one. Also, I suggest you take the time to look at his movement and the positions he gets in to. He'll do well IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WealdSaint Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 I watched him against Everton and thought he had a good game. He's got some pace and some physical presence. Hard to know where he will be in 5 years time, but he's not bad for his age Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 And the same could be said of Shaw. Give the kid time for Christ sake. They can't all look like world beaters from day one. Also, I suggest you take the time to look at his movement and the positions he gets in to. He'll do well IMO. Precisely, Shaw only got a look in because Fox was hopeless. If we'd had a half-decent left back there already, I highly doubt we'd be hearing about £30million bids for Shaw, nor would he be in the team of the year or (possibly) on his way to the world cup. Shaw was given a chance and he took it, though it took him a while to really get going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 He's raw and certainly needs to improve but he's 18 and will come good. He doesn't need a loan at all, he needs to stay and improve technically without the pressure of having to lead the line for a Championship team only to get dropped and lose his confidence. Right now he's the only fit striker in our squad who is in anyway interested in getting behind a defence. He at least tries to stretch a defence so he's useful He'll be OK and this thread will be bumped at some point next season when he goes on a scoring burst and is powering through defences because that's the type of player he will become. He needs time and we need to be patient and understand that these games will be a learning process for him that will benefit him and us in the long term. Spot on. It is also worth pointing out that he was not in the first team squad pre season, he has made a late entry into the squad. Let us see next season how he progresses having been part of the pre season training squad. If any of you saw the footballers football show with Les Reed you will appreciate how important training with the first team squad is better than going out on loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 Scored as many as Sterling did last season hasn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washsaint Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 dear lord.......what on earth is it with some of our "fans"? The lad is 18 and while a long way from the finished article he appears to have a lot of potential and his movement is first rate. For those slating the poor lad, how many chances did SRL get when he came on? Pretty much none because our midfield, per most of the season, while being very good with the ball create very few chances. Been the same all season. How about Cork and his shooting prowess? Oh, that's right Jack Cork can do no wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 4 May, 2014 Share Posted 4 May, 2014 Anyone else remember how James Beattie looked out of sorts in his early months with Saints ? Gallagher needs time to develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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