Golac's Iron Gonads Posted 30 April, 2014 Share Posted 30 April, 2014 Man of the match against Everton, news coming through that Walker may miss World Cup http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/apr/30/jack-wilshere-roy-hodgson-england-world-cup Surely Clyne's a better option than Smalling or Jones as this article suggests. I'd love to see us have 3 or 4 players in Brazil, especially some young exciting ones, might even make watching England bearable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 30 April, 2014 Share Posted 30 April, 2014 As that article states, as Smalling and Jones can both play right back, Hodgson may choose another midfielder or forward instead. So, what about a midfielder who can play right back... Someone like Jack Cork! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 30 April, 2014 Share Posted 30 April, 2014 I see andros Townsend is also out if the World Cup . Shame jay rid got injured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 30 April, 2014 Share Posted 30 April, 2014 Obviously would like to wish Walker well, but really hope now that Clyne can get into 30 man squad at least (so we know Roy will at least consider him), but would LOVE IT if Clyne makea it into the final cut. It would be deserved IMO. Even though hes only played 25 odd games, his performances has always been great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 30 April, 2014 Share Posted 30 April, 2014 Smalling is dreadful, rather have Stones there than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 30 April, 2014 Share Posted 30 April, 2014 Roy will probably call up Jenkinson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 30 April, 2014 Share Posted 30 April, 2014 Smalling is dreadful, rather have Stones there than him. Smalling, and Jones for that matter, always have a look on their faces that says "how the flipping heck did I get here, someone is going to suss me out in a minute". I think Roy is a smart bloke, he has been in the game long enough with lots of experience, but it's very strange how he has spent quite a few afternoons with us, if its not him then Ray Lewington is there, then Gary Neville can see lots of us with Sky and blows sunshine up our backsides more often thn not. I think we might be surprised with the 30, or should I say everyone outside Southampton might be surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 30 April, 2014 Share Posted 30 April, 2014 Smalling, and Jones for that matter, always have a look on their faces that says "how the flipping heck did I get here, someone is going to suss me out in a minute". I think Roy is a smart bloke, he has been in the game long enough with lots of experience, but it's very strange how he has spent quite a few afternoons with us, if its not him then Ray Lewington is there, then Gary Neville can see lots of us with Sky and blows sunshine up our backsides more often thn not. I think we might be surprised with the 30, or should I say everyone outside Southampton might be surprised. I'm personally not convinced, I think Ads and Ricky are dead certs, with Shaw a maybe. Can't see Clyne or Cork being called up now. Now is not the time for debutants... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW5 SAINT Posted 1 May, 2014 Share Posted 1 May, 2014 Do we really want half the Saints first team away on international duty this summer. I certainly don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSaint Posted 1 May, 2014 Share Posted 1 May, 2014 Do we really want half the Saints first team away on international duty this summer. I certainly don't. For what reason? If they get injured then they can't be sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 1 May, 2014 Share Posted 1 May, 2014 BBC suggests Flanagan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 1 May, 2014 Share Posted 1 May, 2014 Do we really want half the Saints first team away on international duty this summer. I certainly don't. Don't tell me -you don't give two sh1ts for international football, the FA cup and just want everyone to rest to push on for the extra £1mill in prize money next season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 1 May, 2014 Share Posted 1 May, 2014 BBC suggests Flanagan. Hmm why call up someone who is playing left back for their club to cover a right back?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 1 May, 2014 Share Posted 1 May, 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27233499 can't believe didn't say Clyne instead Flanagan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 1 May, 2014 Share Posted 1 May, 2014 BBC suggests Flanagan. If you watch him he is effective due to the players around him but there are times when he does look a bit scared still plus a liability as he is still naive in the tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 1 May, 2014 Share Posted 1 May, 2014 Flanagan is nowhere near as good as Clyney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 1 May, 2014 Share Posted 1 May, 2014 Hodgson stated I'm his last interview that if someone new comes in now it will be because he's watched him over the course of the season and not be based on last few games. Suggests to me a Saints player does have a chance to get into final 30 so I wouldn't be surprised to see clyne as a standby. He won't go but will be the happy ones to know he's actually in Roy's thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 1 May, 2014 Share Posted 1 May, 2014 Just an aside be interesting to see the reaction to Cleverley making the 23.............. Cos that boy ain't done nowt this season even v Norwich on Sat Eve when Giggs brought him back in he looked lost most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raynesparksaint Posted 1 May, 2014 Share Posted 1 May, 2014 Surprised Chambers not mentioned once anywhere, considering he's kept Clyne out of the team for the majority of the season. Personally I don't think there is much between them and either would be a good option from the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 1 May, 2014 Share Posted 1 May, 2014 I'd love to see Clyne get a shout for the initial squad, but i fear the way RH wants his team to play, Clyne may not appear in his plans. Love to be proved wrong though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 1 May, 2014 Share Posted 1 May, 2014 Highly doubt someone uncapped is going to get the call be that our lads or Flannigan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1Minus10 Posted 1 May, 2014 Share Posted 1 May, 2014 Clyne should be in anyway as Johnson and Walker can't defend for ****, likewise Baines on the left. Jones and Smalling are train wrecks waiting to happen but I could understand if Jones is picked and he goes with 7 defenders. Jones and Smalling is just wasting a squad place. Likewise, there's no point in taking Milner and Henderson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Johnson Posted 1 May, 2014 Share Posted 1 May, 2014 Clyne should be in anyway as Johnson and Walker can't defend for ****, likewise Baines on the left. Jones and Smalling are train wrecks waiting to happen but I could understand if Jones is picked and he goes with 7 defenders. Jones and Smalling is just wasting a squad place. Likewise, there's no point in taking Milner and Henderson. Have you seen Henderson play this season? He hasnt missed a game for Liverpool *****il Saturday) and has been exceptional! He has to go!! I agree with Smalling, but Jones & Milner do a good job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 1 May, 2014 Share Posted 1 May, 2014 Flanagan gets away with some really poor challenges. At a World CUp he would get sent off. Clyne is better than all the other candidates IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 1 May, 2014 Share Posted 1 May, 2014 I would like to see Clyne make the squad, but really don't think he will. Johnson is first choice anyway and Roy will go with Smalling and Jones for their 'perceived' flexibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamwic Posted 1 May, 2014 Share Posted 1 May, 2014 I have always thought that Clyne was a better prospect than either Johnson or Walker. He is just as good as them at getting forward but has the advantage over them of also being a very good defender, his primary responsibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastcowzer Posted 1 May, 2014 Share Posted 1 May, 2014 BBC suggests Flanagan. Well they would would'nt they as long its not a Saints player . Biased. Never ! And what anybody sees in Wilshere is beyond me. A walking medical case, and not a very inspiring player for either club or country, in spite of what the London dailies would have us believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 1 May, 2014 Share Posted 1 May, 2014 Clyne should be in anyway as Johnson and Walker can't defend for ****, likewise Baines on the left. Jones and Smalling are train wrecks waiting to happen but I could understand if Jones is picked and he goes with 7 defenders. Jones and Smalling is just wasting a squad place. Likewise, there's no point in taking Milner and Henderson. On what basis is there no point in taking Henderson? He has been fantastic this season for Liverpool. They've really missed him while he's been out, as good as Joe Allen is, he's not a patch on Henderson - he has to go!! Flanagan isn't bad, but I'd definitely prefer to see Clyne called up at right back - it may happen ... you never know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1Minus10 Posted 1 May, 2014 Share Posted 1 May, 2014 On what basis is there no point in taking Henderson? He has been fantastic this season for Liverpool. They've really missed him while he's been out, as good as Joe Allen is, he's not a patch on Henderson - he has to go!! Flanagan isn't bad, but I'd definitely prefer to see Clyne called up at right back - it may happen ... you never know! If you read it in context... there's no point in taking Milner AND Henderson (as in both of them). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted 1 May, 2014 Share Posted 1 May, 2014 It is almost a shame we have had Chambers coming through so strong this season, as if we had the equivalent of Fox as our reserve right back, Clyne would have played another 10/15 games this season, and almost certainly be the 3rd England right back, and maybe even pushing for a England squad place regardless of injuries. Walker is a liability anyway. Both the Spurs fans I know don't rate him (a whole two of them!) (from a Saints perspective... yay Chambers obviously) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted 1 May, 2014 Share Posted 1 May, 2014 Taking Clyne would also give us a solid plan B - when plan A inevitably fails (because come on, it's England) then Roy can stick the Saints fullbacks on and tell them to bomb up the pitch like they do for us. I'd much rather trust Shaw and Clyne in that role than Cole and Walker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 1 May, 2014 Share Posted 1 May, 2014 Highly doubt someone uncapped is going to get the call be that our lads or Flannigan. Hodgson said as much, there will be no surprise inclusions in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 1 May, 2014 Share Posted 1 May, 2014 Clyde should be in the team, not just the squad. Johnson is garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 1 May, 2014 Share Posted 1 May, 2014 Bloke in the mirror has Chambers starting at right back for england at the world cup! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 1 May, 2014 Share Posted 1 May, 2014 Hodgson said as much, there will be no surprise inclusions in the squad. What constitutes a surprise though? He's mentioned Clyne before by name as someone they've watched many times at club and England U21s and are well aware of what he can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 1 May, 2014 Share Posted 1 May, 2014 terrible news. Johnson is pony. I'd rather Clyne started never mind came in as his reserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 1 May, 2014 Share Posted 1 May, 2014 Bloke in the mirror has Chambers starting at right back for england at the world cup! Yes and no Rooney and no Lallana. Mirror should get a few hits with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 1 May, 2014 Share Posted 1 May, 2014 According to the BBC gossip jack Wiltshire has already been told by hodgson that he is in the World Cup squad (the mail) I thought it wasn't being announced until 12 may So some players get preferential treatment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 1 May, 2014 Share Posted 1 May, 2014 According to the BBC gossip jack Wiltshire has already been told by hodgson that he is in the World Cup squad (the mail) I thought it wasn't being announced until 12 may So some players get preferential treatment Trouble with JW is that he is always being rushed back from injury to play. Give him the summer off to recover fully. He is a great player when fully fit...but that hasnt been all season due to Arsenal bringing him back to early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 2 May, 2014 Share Posted 2 May, 2014 The England Management have watched us not only for our youngsters but for the nature/style of football we play IMHO. My guess is he wants to play a mix of our & Liverpool's styles. (ie he won't try and play Jose's park the bus tactics!) Possession then long ball from a deep lying (on his arse probably) Gerrard. England failed dismally in the Euros & 2010 WC trying to play the hoofball 4-4-2 style. Roy is also only too well aware that trying to play that way in the middle of the day in the Amazon jungle would be suicide physically. While Jones & Smalling are "Cover at Right Back" they are totally NOT suited to the possession football played by us, Liverpool & Arsenal. I mean FFS they have been coached by Moyes all season - how has that worked out? What style were the Mancs actually PLAYING under him? I may be totally wrong, but I think Woy has a style, shape and tactically approach in mind this time round. I think he will pick the players to fit his system, not some old time cover players. Dunno if Clyne or Chambers will go but personally I would be very disappointed if we go into the WC with CB's as cover for FB slots. It's a bit like saying SRL could be cover for a CM role. Just doesn't work these days in fluid systems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThorpG Posted 2 May, 2014 Share Posted 2 May, 2014 The worry that is none of those options are international class. Chambers is too inexperienced and Clyne has had a patchier season than last year (personally I prefer him to Chambers). Johnson and Walker are fine charging up field playing like auxiliary wingers, but they just can't defend, particularly Walker. England don't do good right backs - spoilt at left back, where Shaw will likely miss out (a better player than all four right backs mentioned above). Any team at the World Cup with a strong left midfield will cause us grief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThorpG Posted 2 May, 2014 Share Posted 2 May, 2014 Seems fair, he's an important player and it's a position where you can get away with a risk, there'll be plenty of cover and it seems likely he'll be alright. I think he'll start with Gerrard and Henderson, but if he doesn't it might be Lallana more central rather than out wide and Sterling coming into the team. Both options leave a pretty good team IMO. Wilshere has not got the fitness to play in these games, he does not play enough club football through constant injuries. I think he is a really good player when 100% fit, but how often is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted 2 May, 2014 Share Posted 2 May, 2014 Wilshere has not got the fitness to play in these games, he does not play enough club football through constant injuries. I think he is a really good player when 100% fit, but how often is that? He'll go and then get injured in the Italy game, or beforehand in training, and then we'll be down to 22 players for the rest of the tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 2 May, 2014 Share Posted 2 May, 2014 Chambers, as Under 19's captain, has been very much in Hodgson's eye all season both with England and in Hodgsons frequent visits to Saints matches. Clyne blotted his England copybook at a time when he should have crept into the first team England squad. I don't think his performances in the last couple of games would have been enough for Roy to take another chance on him. The biggest injustice is Jack Cork having been out of the side for a long time when the qualifiers and friendly games were played. He wasn't even considered for the under 21's. Yet few will not admit he has been outstanding since his return, Roy will have noted this, but sadly not enough to take him along to Brazil. Another Saints player Roy rates very highly is Ward-Prowse and his ability to slot into a number of positions along with his exceptional corner and free kick accuracy, might just give him an outside chance if further players are injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 2 May, 2014 Share Posted 2 May, 2014 The biggest injustice is Jack Cork having been out of the side for a long time when the qualifiers and friendly games were played. He wasn't even considered for the under 21's. i reckon MLG will be along in a minute to explain why. I make you right bout Chambers tho, I reckon he will play for England before Clyne does. Clyne is v.good club player but I think Chambers is got that extra quality - natural self-confidence or something - what marks the international. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted 2 May, 2014 Share Posted 2 May, 2014 i reckon MLG will be along in a minute to explain why. I make you right bout Chambers tho, I reckon he will play for England before Clyne does. Clyne is v.good club player but I think Chambers is got that extra quality - natural self-confidence or something - what marks the international. But has he got tattoos? Gotta have tattoos to be an England RB. Clyne's got the edge there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 2 May, 2014 Share Posted 2 May, 2014 i reckon MLG will be along in a minute to explain why. I make you right bout Chambers tho, I reckon he will play for England before Clyne does. Clyne is v.good club player but I think Chambers is got that extra quality - natural self-confidence or something - what marks the international. I'm sorry but that's a load of ********. Clyne is definitely the better player at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 2 May, 2014 Share Posted 2 May, 2014 Clyne was brilliant against Everton and Hodgson was watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 3 May, 2014 Share Posted 3 May, 2014 Clyne was brilliant against Everton and Hodgson was watching. Yeah Clyne was immense, hopefully Roy is taking notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted 3 May, 2014 Share Posted 3 May, 2014 terrible news. Johnson is pony. I'd rather Clyne started never mind came in as his reserve. Terrible news that Walker is out? Does that mean you'd rather have Walker starting over Johnson if you don't rate Johnson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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