I believe

[pap]

Seems like a fool proof strategy to me, Barry. No, actually, delete that.

 

Seems like a good strategy to me, Barry.

 

So, just to make sure I’ve got this right, I write something, post it on Wiki, then post it on here, then if someone says I’m talking b0llocks, I cut and paste the bit I previously posted on Wiki as proof that I’m not talking b0llocks after all.

 

That’s brilliant, why didn’t I think of that. Hat’s off to you, pap.

 

I suppose the system could be subverted in that way

 

As I said though, all done in 2006-2007.

 

Regardless of whatever else I get up to on this site, lying isn't one of them.

[Barry Sanchez]

I suppose the system could be subverted in that way

 

As I said though, all done in 2006-2007.

 

Regardless of whatever else I get up to on this site, lying isn't one of them.

 

Accusing others of lying is fair game though?

 

I suppose its a question of faith Pap.

[pap]

Accusing others of lying is fair game though?

 

I suppose its a question of faith Pap.

 

It is for you, as demonstrated on this thread.

 

As for our year-long identity crisis, you could have ended it at any point, but didn't.

 

I suppose it's a question of wanting attention.

[Barry Sanchez]

What way were you exactly linked in 2006-7 Pap? Are you in Demons and Angels?

[Barry Sanchez]

It is for you, as demonstrated on this thread.

 

As for our year-long identity crisis, you could have ended it at any point, but didn't.

 

I suppose it's a question of wanting attention.

 

No, no Pap I have faith you are telling the truth, Islam to answer your question.

[Halo Stickman]

I suppose the system could be subverted in that way

 

As I said though, all done in 2006-2007.

 

Regardless of whatever else I get up to on this site, lying isn't one of them.

 

Don’t take me too seriously, pap.

 

To be honest, I’m so confused by Series 18 episode 528 of the Pap and Barry Show, I no longer know whether I’m having a sh1t or a haircut.

[landford.saint]

Just remember....

 

Just because you don't believe God exists, Does not mean God does not believe you exist.

[Barry Sanchez]

And to answer the bit of the fatest growing religion Pap, you have to get over this and I did make it easy, G12 is not a religion so ask some valid questions and you shall get answer, evangelical Christianity is the fastest growing but whether its accepted by the mainline Protestant Churches do, that is a never ending not answerable question.

[pap]

Don’t take me too seriously, pap.

 

To be honest, I’m so confused by Series 18 episode 528 of the Pap and Barry Show, I no longer know whether I’m having a sh1t or a haircut.

 

Boiled down, Barry is interested in exploring belief.

 

I'm interesting in putting him in touch with some churches that try to bring it about very quickly in adults, despite the fact that I spent years doing the exact opposite.

 

At this point in time, Barry's so engrossed that he has entered a zen-like state called "posting without thinking".

 

I have no plans to beg Barry for an apology all year for his accusations of lying. I laid similar charges of mendacity at his doorstep, and while I'm a big enough bloke to 'fess up and make with the sorries, Barry isn't.

 

I'm satisfied with this outcome, but I'm waiting with baited breath to see if Barry will go on a journey of spiritual awakening with fundamentalist Christians.

 

I think we're up to speed now.

[Barry Sanchez]

Just remember....

 

Just because you don't believe God exists, Does not mean God does not believe you exist.

 

I dont have a clue about my own faith but I am jealous of people that do, an unshakable belief in something that can not be shown in a cynical World.

Its impressive.

[Barry Sanchez]

Boiled down, Barry is interested in exploring belief.

 

I'm interesting in putting him in touch with some churches that try to bring it about very quickly in adults, despite the fact that I spent years doing the exact opposite.

 

At this point in time, Barry's so engrossed that he has entered a zen-like state called "posting without thinking".

 

I have no plans to beg Barry for an apology all year for his accusations of lying. I laid similar charges of mendacity at his doorstep, and while I'm a big enough bloke to 'fess up and make with the sorries, Barry isn't.

 

I'm satisfied with this outcome, but I'm waiting with baited breath to see if Barry will go on a journey of spiritual awakening with fundamentalist Christians.

 

I think we're up to speed now.

 

Pap you dont half talk some gash there lad.

[pap]

Pap you dont half talk some gash there lad.

 

Start here

 

 

I'll give you more homework when you're done.

[Barry Sanchez]

Boiled down, Barry is interested in exploring belief.

 

I'm interesting in putting him in touch with some churches that try to bring it about very quickly in adults, despite the fact that I spent years doing the exact opposite.

 

At this point in time, Barry's so engrossed that he has entered a zen-like state called "posting without thinking".

 

I have no plans to beg Barry for an apology all year for his accusations of lying. I laid similar charges of mendacity at his doorstep, and while I'm a big enough bloke to 'fess up and make with the sorries, Barry isn't.

 

I'm satisfied with this outcome, but I'm waiting with baited breath to see if Barry will go on a journey of spiritual awakening with fundamentalist Christians.

 

I think we're up to speed now.

 

Pap may I be bold and suggest 7 years ago you were angry and you wanted to disprove something and saw this exploitive cult (Church in your view) as a weak link?

[Barry Sanchez]

Barry 18 - Pap (Future Leader of Westboro Baptist Church) 0

[Halo Stickman]

Just remember....

 

Just because you don't believe God exists, Does not mean God does not believe you exist.

 

Stand by landford, I reckon we’ll all be seeking religion by the time this thread has run its course.

[Barry Sanchez]

Stand by landford, I reckon we’ll all be seeking religion by the time this thread has run its course.

 

 

Back to the thread then, is belief/faith instilled into us by books from older generations?

[pap]

Pap may I be bold and suggest 7 years ago you were angry and you wanted to disprove something and saw this exploitive cult (Church in your view) as a weak link?

 

You can certainly suggest it. They tried to recruit me numerous times, under the aegis of a then-respected movement. Like the others they tried to get, I was going through some difficult times. I'd had a huge bust up with a close relative (resolved now) on one occasion. Second time was after the dog died. Angry? No more than I am now, but I wasn't myself.

 

Let's also clear up a lie that you've introduced here. I think it's perfectly clear what my feelings on this organisation are. I'm not suggesting for one second that any right-minded, rational person should go near them. They may have dropped their G12 affiliation, but they've been recently been lambasted in the press for running a "pray the gay away" course, and they still operate cult-like practices, such as trying to get members in through means of deception. I hope we're clear.

 

Nevertheless, I think you should speak to them regardless. It's a win-win for me. Either you emerge an indoctrinated muppet (unlikely), or you'll spend several weeks wrecking their heads (my vote).

[Halo Stickman]

Oh no, has the Pap and Barry Show finished?*

 

 

Back to the thread then, is belief/faith instilled into us by books from older generations?

 

Don't know. I tend to switch channels when the religious programs come on.

 

Why don't you look it up on Wiki?

 

*Oh good, in the time it took me to post this, it's started again

[Fowllyd]

And to answer the bit of the fatest growing religion Pap, you have to get over this and I did make it easy, G12 is not a religion so ask some valid questions and you shall get answer, evangelical Christianity is the fastest growing but whether its accepted by the mainline Protestant Churches do, that is a never ending not answerable question.

 

Unless my ability to read and comprehend has deserted me, Pap never said that G12 is a religion. His comment/question was on the speed of growth of religions that use (or used) the G12 method.

[pap]

Unless my ability to read and comprehend has deserted me, Pap never said that G12 is a religion. His comment/question was on the speed of growth of religions that use (or used) the G12 method.

 

It's not a religion; although it does masquerade itself as an improved version of Christianity. Everyone is supposed to be able to be a leader. Everyone is expected to get twelve more people. Viewed without the religious specs on, it's just a gigantic pyramid scheme.

 

Fundamentally, I have a massive issue with institutions that actively try to turn you from one thing into another while pretending to do something else. For all the faults of the Catholic Church, I get relatively little crap from the priest about joining up whenever I'm present for a family function; same thing goes for CofE.

 

It's a decent discussion to have, because I think more of these charismatic and potentially dangerous churches are going to spring up as wider society becomes more secular and day-to-day conditions get worse.

[Barry Sanchez]

You can certainly suggest it. They tried to recruit me numerous times, under the aegis of a then-respected movement. Like the others they tried to get, I was going through some difficult times. I'd had a huge bust up with a close relative (resolved now) on one occasion. Second time was after the dog died. Angry? No more than I am now, but I wasn't myself.

 

Let's also clear up a lie that you've introduced here. I think it's perfectly clear what my feelings on this organisation are. I'm not suggesting for one second that any right-minded, rational person should go near them. They may have dropped their G12 affiliation, but they've been recently been lambasted in the press for running a "pray the gay away" course, and they still operate cult-like practices, such as trying to get members in through means of deception. I hope we're clear.

 

Nevertheless, I think you should speak to them regardless. It's a win-win for me. Either you emerge an indoctrinated muppet (unlikely), or you'll spend several weeks wrecking their heads (my vote).

 

 

Why should I speak to them? I know exactly what they are about? Charlatans nothing more nothing less, I questioned your figures thats all and similarity between your posts and the links, you then say you contributed to the said posts, from this it turns out you are a whistle blower on questionable religious organizations, a sort of modern day Roger Cook.

[Barry Sanchez]

Unless my ability to read and comprehend has deserted me, Pap never said that G12 is a religion. His comment/question was on the speed of growth of religions that use (or used) the G12 method.

 

Yes and I questioned that at as well.

[Bearsy]

g12 is where the big countries meet up to discuss bout climate change, yeah?

[scotty]

I read this piece on cults the other day.

 

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/265-who-joins-cults-and-why

 

There are a number of very evangelical churches in the area that come close to this; even use a lot of the same tricks, such as hanging around universities looking for destitute students.

 

 

Next time I get picked up by the coppers, I will use this as my excuse. Cheers, Pap!!

[Barry Sanchez]

g12 is where the big countries meet up to discuss bout climate change, yeah?

 

Its x3 of G4 only with more ****eness.

[Bearsy]

Thought this was quite interesting bout stuff:

 

[Tokyo-Saint]

This looks like the instructions for one of those games that are too complicated to play bear. Where is baby Jesus in all that?

[Bearsy]

I'm not sure, you'd think bj is christianity but then i don't spose he ever got to even hear of christianity cos it was only just get going when he died. Shame really, he would of loved it!

 

Edit: Do japan bros believe in bj?

Edited 2 May, 2014 by Bearsy

[Halo Stickman]

When someone says I believe in a religious context should they actually mean they were taught?

 

Interesting article in this week’s New Scientist magazine called Losing Our Religion by Graham Lawson. I can’t post a link because it’s behind a subscription firewall. Below is an excerpt quoting Stephen Bullivant, a theologian at St Mary’s University and co-editor of The Oxford Handbook of Atheism:

 

“The strongest predictor of whether a person grows up to be religious is whether their parents are. A child whose parents are actively religious has about a 50 per cent chance of following them. A child whose parents are not (actively religious) has only about a 3 per cent chance of becoming religious.”