How would we be better without Lowe (this time!)

[NickG]

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[lordswoodsaints]

I think its best we just agree that he divides the fans always has and always will, and leave it at that

 

i dont think that this is true,in fact i would go as far as saying you are talking out of your arse.when we were flying high in the prem with a cup final appearance i dont remember too many people getting on his back and the fanbase was certainly not divided.

when hoddle was appointed most people looked upon him as a genius who pulled a masterstroke out of the bag,even when redknapp came along there were mixed views but nothing which indicated any malice towards lowe.

he has had his bad points and he deserved to go when he did but to say that he has always been the devil incarnate is just ridiculous.i have mixed feelings about his return but as yet he hasnt done too much to upset me so i am happy for him to continue,at least until something else better comes along.

[NickG]

Looking at the poll on Jan, just over 50% of us have confidence in him -so if we accept that he was cheap and the fans are reasonably confident in him then that appointment is not a disaster (at the moment).

 

What has Lowe done wrong this time?

 

Interested in views but accept two things perhaps for other debates

1) his history (management appointments, aloof etc)

2) because of the above divides fans and causes negativity.

 

 

Genuinely interested, particularly for the staunch Lowe out posters, why we should campaign to get him out, or is the history enough without accpeting he is hear now so lets see how his 2nd chance goes?

 

Jesus, have you no shame ?

 

The lengths you are willing to go to in your sycophantic support of Lowe seem limitless...

 

 

I know you totally struggle with any reasoned arguement, but many anti-Lowe posters have managed to put a view.

 

Its a fairly put question, where is there any sycophantic support for Lowe (it means flattery to gain favour).

 

Have you managed to come up with anything you feel he could have done better or did you fail to get past insults?

 

Remind me-how involved were you in the campaign to get Lowe out? Just because someone seeks to engage brain to consider what people are doing rather than deal purely on personalities it doesn't make them a Lowe supporter.

[NickG]

i dont think that this is true,in fact i would go as far as saying you are talking out of your arse.when we were flying high in the prem with a cup final appearance i dont remember too many people getting on his back and the fanbase was certainly not divided.

when hoddle was appointed most people looked upon him as a genius who pulled a masterstroke out of the bag,even when redknapp came along there were mixed views but nothing which indicated any malice towards lowe.

he has had his bad points and he deserved to go when he did but to say that he has always been the devil incarnate is just ridiculous.i have mixed feelings about his return but as yet he hasnt done too much to upset me so i am happy for him to continue,at least until something else better comes along.

 

I think this is probably the common view amongst fans.

[krissyboy31]

i dont think that this is true,in fact i would go as far as saying you are talking out of your arse.when we were flying high in the prem with a cup final appearance i dont remember too many people getting on his back and the fanbase was certainly not divided.

when hoddle was appointed most people looked upon him as a genius who pulled a masterstroke out of the bag,even when redknapp came along there were mixed views but nothing which indicated any malice towards lowe.

he has had his bad points and he deserved to go when he did but to say that he has always been the devil incarnate is just ridiculous.i have mixed feelings about his return but as yet he hasnt done too much to upset me so i am happy for him to continue,at least until something else better comes along.

 

I lost it with him when he appointed Wigley and made exactly same mistake he'd made a couple of seasons earlier appointing Gray. The cheap in-house option and it was that (non) decision above all that cost us our Premiership place.

[NickG]

and nearly again last year.

Even the decent managers came in when their market value was low -Hoddle and WGS

[krissyboy31]

and nearly again last year.

 

Exactly. And I wrote to Crouch and told him what a complete d!ck he was for doing so.

[saintwarwick]

Jesus, have you no shame ?

 

The lengths you are willing to go to in your sycophantic support of Lowe seem limitless...

 

He is offering a debate, perhaps you should join in and offer your opinions rather than your pointless reccuring cheap one liners.

[NickG]

thanks -and like the Father C!

[Amesbury Saint]

His lack of affinity with the game and his arrogance will always be his downfall.

 

.

 

Question - at what point will Lowe have an affinity with the game?

 

He has at SFC since 1997?

[NickG]

and been on premier league and fa boards I think! Funny he will never be seen as a football man how ever many games he attends.

 

It still seems strange, as a working class game, to hear that accent talk in football phrases, just doesn't seem right!

[VectisSaint]

Originally Posted by lordswoodsaints

i dont think that this is true,in fact i would go as far as saying you are talking out of your arse.when we were flying high in the prem with a cup final appearance i dont remember too many people getting on his back and the fanbase was certainly not divided.

when hoddle was appointed most people looked upon him as a genius who pulled a masterstroke out of the bag,even when redknapp came along there were mixed views but nothing which indicated any malice towards lowe.

he has had his bad points and he deserved to go when he did but to say that he has always been the devil incarnate is just ridiculous.i have mixed feelings about his return but as yet he hasnt done too much to upset me so i am happy for him to continue,at least until something else better comes along.

I think this is probably the common view amongst fans.

I really can't believe that you actually think this seriously. If you agree that there was no dislike of Lowe before Cardiff then I have 2 words to say to you: Richard Chorley. Many many people were openly hostile to Lowe both before and after Cardiff, but like all good football supporters, we all bit our tongues when the prospect of a trip to Wembley (sorry Cardiff) appeared. I don't recall many mentioning the word "genius" in the same breath as Lowe when Hoddle was appointed, most people were confused or angered at the way Dave Jones was being treated at the time. Most thought he was a knobhead with his rants against Spuds, calling them North London bullyboys etc., and many thought he was completely off his rocker when he appointed Strachan (though we all grew to love him, for what he did for us). No, I don't think your rewrite of history to make Lowe out to have been a genius in the view of supporters is a common view at all.

 

Incidentally, you keep posting that no-one has mentioned anything related to what Loe has done wrong this time, I guess thats because you ignore the messages where such information is given, such as my earlier post.

[NickG]

I was mainly agreeing with the last paragraph.

 

Don't think anyone (apart from Lowe) thinks he is a genius just not the devil! -big gap in between!

[um pahars]

Incidentally, you keep posting that no-one has mentioned anything related to what Loe has done wrong this time, I guess thats because you ignore the messages where such information is given, such as my earlier post.

 

I had a giggle about that as well!!!

 

A case of selective reading methinks:rolleyes:

[alpine_saint]

 

Incidentally, you keep posting that no-one has mentioned anything related to what Loe has done wrong this time, I guess thats because you ignore the messages where such information is given, such as my earlier post.

 

Yeah, I am fed up of this charade of "open debate" too...........

[NickG]

Yeah, I am fed up with any debate prefer just insults..........

 

 

fair enough.

Edited 18 December, 2008 by NickG

[NickG]

Trouble is the Poll was flawed. Read the question carefully. Do you have ANY confidence in JP. So 50% have some confidence in JP, that SOME can range from I have a little tiny bit of confidence to I have total confidence. The more damning statistic is that just about 50% have NO confidence. the poll would have been more useable if it had a range of options, such as None, Some, Quite a lot, Total, for instance.

 

I think I voted for NO, what Lowe has done wrong is make a decision to coach young, inexperienced people with a coach totally inexperienced in this country, in the league we are in and with the players at his disposal. What Lowe should have done was say, right the path we are going down is using young players with little or no experience, but backed by a small number of experienced players to give some guidance and backbone, much the same as is being done, and for this I will appoint a coach who knows the English game, has some experience in the CCC and is good working with young players. There are just too many imponerables in the current set up.

 

Now who would have fitted the bill for the right way to do things. I know, Nigel Pearson :mad: Great with kids, knows the English game inside out, has worked with some of the most respected managers around, and some experience of the CCC. On top of that he is also a young British manager, which has always been Lowe's mantra in the past, but conveniently in this case he dropped that criteria when it mattered most.

 

That is what Lowe did wrong. I quite like JP, but he was not the right choice for what Lowe wanted to do.

 

this one mate? No, fair point. I thought it was rash as was looking forward to actually moving forward with NP.

However, it's so hard to judge Jan managing with his hands tied behind his back I couldn't confidently say that he is worse than NP, or better.

[saintwarwick]

Yeah, I am fed up of this charade of "open debate" too...........

 

How can you get fed up with something you don't participate in?

[Chez]

In replies so far, the main criticisms are what he did in his previous tenure or how he divides the fans (not belittling either).

 

There is very little that anyone is raising about this time.

 

 

how about not giving the job to Pearson? I do not understand that at all.

 

I also do not understand the treatment of Skacel and Stern John. I don't really like either player yet to leave them out in the cold in an attempt to push them out the club is poor form IMO.

 

How about the bull**** we had to suffer during the summer on the OS about `total football' and the lies about Holmes etc.

 

Personally I am not all that bothered about Lowe returning, Crouch, Wilde etc have all done a ****ing terrible job between then (I don't want to argue about who did what when), I'm more interested about what happens on the pitch, but the above items added to the years of bull**** and media **** ups are more than enough for people to want to see someone else at the helm.

 

He owns just 6% of the club yet he acts with the humility of someone that owns 96%.

[Chez]

I lost it with him when he appointed Wigley and made exactly same mistake he'd made a couple of seasons earlier appointing Gray. The cheap in-house option and it was that (non) decision above all that cost us our Premiership place.

 

Likewise. Everyone makes mistakes, but only fools don't learn from their mistakes.

[NickG]

how about not giving the job to Pearson? I do not understand that at all.

 

I also do not understand the treatment of Skacel and Stern John. I don't really like either player yet to leave them out in the cold in an attempt to push them out the club is poor form IMO.

 

How about the bull**** we had to suffer during the summer on the OS about `total football' and the lies about Holmes etc.

 

Personally I am not all that bothered about Lowe returning, Crouch, Wilde etc have all done a ****ing terrible job between then (I don't want to argue about who did what when), I'm more interested about what happens on the pitch, but the above items added to the years of bull**** and media **** ups are more than enough for people to want to see someone else at the helm. He owns just 6% of the club yet he acts with the humility of someone that owns 96%.

 

think that sums it up for me too. With one proviso -got no desire to see Lowe ousted just for them all to shuffle seats again, or to put Cowen at the helm when he doesn't want it/think he is up to it. We can hypothesize about how much better things would be with Salz etc but it ain't happening at the moment

[Tamesaint]

and been on premier league and fa boards I think! Funny he will never be seen as a football man how ever many games he attends.

 

It still seems strange, as a working class game, to hear that accent talk in football phrases, just doesn't seem right!

 

 

I think the key word here is "been."

 

Very strange isn't it how such a revolutionary thinker is no longer sitting on any of the FA boards. You would have thought that the FA would have jumped at the oportunity of having the services of such a person!! Perhaps they know something about him that you do not Nick.

 

Maybe Rupert refused to serve on one of their boards. They probably don't pay enough for him. Or perhaps they refused to give him enough dosh when they got rid of him. I hear that £300k is his going rate.

[Wes Tender]

i dont think that this is true,in fact i would go as far as saying you are talking out of your arse.when we were flying high in the prem with a cup final appearance i dont remember too many people getting on his back and the fanbase was certainly not divided.

when hoddle was appointed most people looked upon him as a genius who pulled a masterstroke out of the bag,even when redknapp came along there were mixed views but nothing which indicated any malice towards lowe.

he has had his bad points and he deserved to go when he did but to say that he has always been the devil incarnate is just ridiculous.i have mixed feelings about his return but as yet he hasnt done too much to upset me so i am happy for him to continue,at least until something else better comes along.

 

A comprehensive rewriting of history.

 

Many were very much against the immoral dealings of the board at the time of the reverse takeover and against the arrival of this nobody and his titchy little retirement home business.

 

There was very much disquiet at the way that he dealt with the Stoneham project and through his greed and inability to work with the Councils scuppered the stadium planned for there and had to be bailed out by Southampton City Council.

 

So whether you wish to deny that he has always been the devil incarnate, on the other hand it is entirely fair to say that since the day he arrived here there has been dissent against him to a greater or lesser extent.

 

Granted that it floods and wains depending on our degree of success in the leagues and resurfaces with every one of his appintments, which have been amongst the most frequent of any club in British football, but it has always been there.

[CB Fry]

how about not giving the job to Pearson? I do not understand that at all.

 

I also do not understand the treatment of Skacel and Stern John. I don't really like either player yet to leave them out in the cold in an attempt to push them out the club is poor form IMO.

 

How about the bull**** we had to suffer during the summer on the OS about `total football' and the lies about Holmes etc.

 

Personally I am not all that bothered about Lowe returning, Crouch, Wilde etc have all done a ****ing terrible job between then (I don't want to argue about who did what when), I'm more interested about what happens on the pitch, but the above items added to the years of bull**** and media **** ups are more than enough for people to want to see someone else at the helm.

 

He owns just 6% of the club yet he acts with the humility of someone that owns 96%.

 

 

Amen to that.

 

I think that pretty much answers the question from the Original Poster.

 

To suggest Lowe hasn't done anything wrong in this tenure is utter madness.

 

On his return I went from defending him as probably a good person to be at the helm to manage us through our post-parachute phase to utterly despising the man.

 

Lowe had a chance to be a lot less hated than he is now during the summer:

 

Give Pearson the job, give him a budget (if it was a tiny one, fine) and let him get on with it. And then belt up.

 

 

But as soon as he decided now was the time to create his silly little Dutch Camelot and it all came to the fore that "Rupert Lowe knows more about how a football club should be run than anyone else in British football history" then that was it for me. Lowe is ruining this football club.

 

Lowe is a smarmy arrogant c*** and has to be removed. I'd like to see some fan power shift him immediately.

 

Defeat tomorrow, and people with a bit of time on their hands might start a-rising.

[hughieslastminutegoal]

So all those negative stay awayers will miss out on our promotion push. They'll all come flooding back though, once we return to the Prem, bloody lunatic fringe!

 

You still seem to have this notion that everyone who has ever attended a Saints match is somehow obliged to attend, and if they don't they are somehow lacking in moral fibre.

 

30,000 fans regularly in the Prem minus 15000 current crowd = 15000 missing.

Every one of those 15000 missing fans represents at least 2 people who used to come fairly often.

 

So at least 30000 potential attendees aren't coming any more. Its futile to carry on believing its all about super-fans. Its absolutely not. Its about re-attracting the missing ordinary fans who want to see some wins when they come, and want to be entertained.

 

It doesn't matter whether you yourself hold pie-in-the-sky promotion hopes from a side of loans and inexperienced youth. Super-fans might pour over the intricacies of the Academy system as a conveyor belt, 4-3-2-1-1, bla blah - all valid subjects for forum discussion.

 

But the vast majority of missing attendees have a looser defintion of fan-ism than you super-fans. They just want to feel its worth turning up, who have believe there is a reasonable prospect of being carried along on at least a minor wave of success, and will get value for money.

 

We are talking about a professional entertainment industry first and foremost, but at the moment "the missing" are being appealed to on the basis that it is somehow their duty to support the club in the same way as they should dip into their pockets to support the Red Cross or Children in Need.

 

It annoys the hell out of me that many young players (I'm not talking of Saints players in particular) these days seem to believe that fans owe them a living. Contrast that with the attitude of a young comedian or musician or actor trying to make the grade. It is high time the football world stopped taking their fans (customers, attendees, whatever you want to call them) for granted.

[saint1977]

how about not giving the job to Pearson? I do not understand that at all.

 

I also do not understand the treatment of Skacel and Stern John. I don't really like either player yet to leave them out in the cold in an attempt to push them out the club is poor form IMO.

 

How about the bull**** we had to suffer during the summer on the OS about `total football' and the lies about Holmes etc.

 

Personally I am not all that bothered about Lowe returning, Crouch, Wilde etc have all done a ****ing terrible job between then (I don't want to argue about who did what when), I'm more interested about what happens on the pitch, but the above items added to the years of bull**** and media **** ups are more than enough for people to want to see someone else at the helm.

 

He owns just 6% of the club yet he acts with the humility of someone that owns 96%.

 

I think you and CB Fry are in competition for most sensible posts on here at the moment. 100% agree with everything there and sick of talking about the man frankly, Askham (who "runs" that particular share proxy) and Wilde are much bigger players. I don't like Lowe very much but the bloke is at least there to be shot at and doesn't hide like Guy or Mike, even if he's had the reverse of the midas touch since 2003. Shame, as he has made good decisions in the past but every leader has a sell-by-date and Rupert is well past his.

 

Having given a partial defence of Rupert though as much as I want him gone, anyone who thinks that most of the fans at SMS on a matchday, let alone across the fanbase think he is doing a good job have got to be seriously deluding themselves. This whole carp about Rupert being educated/accent etc etc has always done my head in. I'm educated to Postgraduate level so I assure everyone on here that Rupert's accent, schooling etc etc having little bearing on my assertion that he is the wrong man for SFC now and most supporters would agree with that IMO.

[saint1977]

Amen to that.

 

I think that pretty much answers the question from the Original Poster.

 

To suggest Lowe hasn't done anything wrong in this tenure is utter madness.

 

On his return I went from defending him as probably a good person to be at the helm to manage us through our post-parachute phase to utterly despising the man.

 

Lowe had a chance to be a lot less hated than he is now during the summer:

 

Give Pearson the job, give him a budget (if it was a tiny one, fine) and let him get on with it. And then belt up.

 

 

But as soon as he decided now was the time to create his silly little Dutch Camelot and it all came to the fore that "Rupert Lowe knows more about how a football club should be run than anyone else in British football history" then that was it for me. Lowe is ruining this football club.

 

Lowe is a smarmy arrogant c*** and has to be removed. I'd like to see some fan power shift him immediately.

 

Defeat tomorrow, and people with a bit of time on their hands might start a-rising.

 

Moreover CB, there will be more fans there than usual to rise up as well. I badly, badly want us to win tommorrow as it would put us 7 clear of them (my work xmas lunch was at a pub called the Robin Hood so let's hope it's a happy omen) but we do have a habit - ie QPR in 2006/7 and many others, of bottling it in front of a big gate. Our TV appearances also support this. We'll support you loud and proud lads but remember to get stuck into Forest, we won't take any bottling out of 50/50s tommorrow and nor will the visiting contingent. We used to be great at winning these 6 pointers, let's regain the knack of doing so and if that means being a lot meaner, less sweet and sugary and getting stuck into Forest, let's do it. 3 points is the only acceptable outcome, are you up to it lads?

[Wes Tender]

You still seem to have this notion that everyone who has ever attended a Saints match is somehow obliged to attend, and if they don't they are somehow lacking in moral fibre.

 

30,000 fans regularly in the Prem minus 15000 current crowd = 15000 missing.

Every one of those 15000 missing fans represents at least 2 people who used to come fairly often.

 

So at least 30000 potential attendees aren't coming any more. Its futile to carry on believing its all about super-fans. Its absolutely not. Its about re-attracting the missing ordinary fans who want to see some wins when they come, and want to be entertained.

 

It doesn't matter whether you yourself hold pie-in-the-sky promotion hopes from a side of loans and inexperienced youth. Super-fans might pour over the intricacies of the Academy system as a conveyor belt, 4-3-2-1-1, bla blah - all valid subjects for forum discussion.

 

But the vast majority of missing attendees have a looser defintion of fan-ism than you super-fans. They just want to feel its worth turning up, who have believe there is a reasonable prospect of being carried along on at least a minor wave of success, and will get value for money.

 

We are talking about a professional entertainment industry first and foremost, but at the moment "the missing" are being appealed to on the basis that it is somehow their duty to support the club in the same way as they should dip into their pockets to support the Red Cross or Children in Need.

 

It annoys the hell out of me that many young players (I'm not talking of Saints players in particular) these days seem to believe that fans owe them a living. Contrast that with the attitude of a young comedian or musician or actor trying to make the grade. It is high time the football world stopped taking their fans (customers, attendees, whatever you want to call them) for granted.

 

Hughie.

 

Could you please not take what John Smith has been saying these past few days as being his gospel opinion? Read back a week or two on his past posts (found easily by clicking on his user name) and you will see that he is on a wind-up, being satirical/sarcastic, however you want to see it.

 

Take it from me, unless he has totally lost his marbles, he is having a laugh.

 

By the way; some good points you raised there.

[um pahars]

how about not giving the job to Pearson? I do not understand that at all.

 

I also do not understand the treatment of Skacel and Stern John. I don't really like either player yet to leave them out in the cold in an attempt to push them out the club is poor form IMO.

 

How about the bull**** we had to suffer during the summer on the OS about `total football' and the lies about Holmes etc.

 

Personally I am not all that bothered about Lowe returning, Crouch, Wilde etc have all done a ****ing terrible job between then (I don't want to argue about who did what when), I'm more interested about what happens on the pitch, but the above items added to the years of bull**** and media **** ups are more than enough for people to want to see someone else at the helm.

 

He owns just 6% of the club yet he acts with the humility of someone that owns 96%.

 

Amen to that.

 

I think that pretty much answers the question from the Original Poster.

 

To suggest Lowe hasn't done anything wrong in this tenure is utter madness.

 

On his return I went from defending him as probably a good person to be at the helm to manage us through our post-parachute phase to utterly despising the man.

 

Lowe had a chance to be a lot less hated than he is now during the summer:

 

Give Pearson the job, give him a budget (if it was a tiny one, fine) and let him get on with it. And then belt up.

 

 

But as soon as he decided now was the time to create his silly little Dutch Camelot and it all came to the fore that "Rupert Lowe knows more about how a football club should be run than anyone else in British football history" then that was it for me. Lowe is ruining this football club.

 

Lowe is a smarmy arrogant c*** and has to be removed. I'd like to see some fan power shift him immediately.

 

Defeat tomorrow, and people with a bit of time on their hands might start a-rising.

 

I think you and CB Fry are in competition for most sensible posts on here at the moment. 100% agree with everything there and sick of talking about the man frankly, Askham (who "runs" that particular share proxy) and Wilde are much bigger players. I don't like Lowe very much but the bloke is at least there to be shot at and doesn't hide like Guy or Mike, even if he's had the reverse of the midas touch since 2003. Shame, as he has made good decisions in the past but every leader has a sell-by-date and Rupert is well past his.

 

Having given a partial defence of Rupert though as much as I want him gone, anyone who thinks that most of the fans at SMS on a matchday, let alone across the fanbase think he is doing a good job have got to be seriously deluding themselves. This whole carp about Rupert being educated/accent etc etc has always done my head in. I'm educated to Postgraduate level so I assure everyone on here that Rupert's accent, schooling etc etc having little bearing on my assertion that he is the wrong man for SFC now and most supporters would agree with that IMO.

 

It's nice to know I'm in good company, as all three of you mirror how I am currently feel.

 

It's got nothing to do with being rabidly anti Lowe, hating him because of his accent, background or fondness for hockey, nor is it that we want him to fail just so that we can be proved right (on what is after all a noddy, annymous internet forum), it's all to do with being objective and rational and forming your own opinion.

 

Not everything Lowe has ever done as been bad, and on many times I have praised him, but as Saint1977 says, every leader has a sell by date.

 

I truly hope that either this experiment works, or that is ended before too much damage is done.

 

Listening to Kenny Dalglish speak about the Ince sacking, he said that although some might say Ince has been kicked out too early, he feels that half a season is long enough to review a managers progress, and that you have to be fair to the club as well as they will need time to turn themselves around.

[up and away]

how about not giving the job to Pearson? I do not understand that at all.

 

I also do not understand the treatment of Skacel and Stern John. I don't really like either player yet to leave them out in the cold in an attempt to push them out the club is poor form IMO.

 

How about the bull**** we had to suffer during the summer on the OS about `total football' and the lies about Holmes etc.

 

Personally I am not all that bothered about Lowe returning, Crouch, Wilde etc have all done a ****ing terrible job between then (I don't want to argue about who did what when), I'm more interested about what happens on the pitch, but the above items added to the years of bull**** and media **** ups are more than enough for people to want to see someone else at the helm.

 

He owns just 6% of the club yet he acts with the humility of someone that owns 96%.

 

Theoretically for me this is not about Lowe, but the actions that require taking. Then when you come to someone actually having the balls to do what is right for the club, irrespective of popular opinion, then Lowe stands out to me in this respect.

 

You can argue the point regarding JP and Pearson and I can readily see both sides of the arguement. But I never felt Pearson would have been any better than the position we are seeing now. I said when Pearson was still here that if we managed to avoid relegation it would be a miracle, considering all the players he would lose and what was achieved previously.

 

The point about Skacel and Sten John are twofold. We have to put pressure on them to get them off the wage bill and JP took a deliberate decision at the beginning to use only players he knew would be starting the season. Once the window has closed he has shown no problem in using these players. Again you can argue the pro's and cons of each side, but I have no real problem with these decisions as they all fit in with a plan to try and extricate us from the financial nightmare that is now upon us.

 

The severe financial pressures that we are now under are dictating courses of action which would not normally be considered sound. Taking these financial pressures into consideration I believe we are doing the correct action. Whether we are successful or not is highly debateable and it would not surprise me to see us fold before the end of the season, but I want someone to take these hard actions in an attempt to safeguard our future.

[Legod Third Coming]

It's nice to know I'm in good company, as all three of you mirror how I am currently feel.

 

It's got nothing to do with being rabidly anti Lowe, hating him because of his accent, background or fondness for hockey, nor is it that we want him to fail just so that we can be proved right (on what is after all a noddy, annymous internet forum), it's all to do with being objective and rational and forming your own opinion.

 

Not everything Lowe has ever done as been bad, and on many times I have praised him, but as Saint1977 says, every leader has a sell by date.

 

I truly hope that either this experiment works, or that is ended before too much damage is done.

 

Listening to Kenny Dalglish speak about the Ince sacking, he said that although some might say Ince has been kicked out too early, he feels that half a season is long enough to review a managers progress, and that you have to be fair to the club as well as they will need time to turn themselves around.

 

Under the half-season rule, how many successful managers would never have had the success they have?

 

Irrespective of attitudes to JP, half a season is surely only sufficient if you can point to an unmitigated disaster unfolding before your eyes?

 

What about all those slow starters like Ferguson? Allerdyce? Curbishley? What about Lawrie even?

 

I think this short-termism is killing football and making fans hopelessly unrealistic in their expectations.

 

Listen to the irony:

 

Half a season is fair as the club will need TIME to turn themselves around....

 

In other words to put right the wrongs before you can even make progress might take half a season.

 

I realise that time is a precious commodity. But half a season where many of our players have now played 23 first-class games...

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Under the half-season rule, how many successful managers would never have had the success they have?

 

Irrespective of attitudes to JP, half a season is surely only sufficient if you can point to an unmitigated disaster unfolding before your eyes?

 

What about all those slow starters like Ferguson? Allerdyce? Curbishley? What about Lawrie even?

 

I think this short-termism is killing football and making fans hopelessly unrealistic in their expectations.

 

Listen to the irony:

 

Half a season is fair as the club will need TIME to turn themselves around....

 

In other words to put right the wrongs before you can even make progress might take half a season.

 

I realise that time is a precious commodity. But half a season where many of our players have now played 23 first-class games...

 

Methinks you should try and read what is said, before you go and make yourself look even more of a fool than you did last night.

 

You're now even arguing against yourself and inventing something called a half season rule LMFAO.:rolleyes: