sydneysaint17 Posted 28 April, 2014 Share Posted 28 April, 2014 Firstly, apologies as I realise this thread is a combination of a few that already exist. Basically, Im bored of reading about how all our players will be tearing up the Champions League next season, earning 150K a week and not even sparing a thought for little old Saints who will be scrapping it in a relegation battle. With very few rumours about how who we'll be bringing in, we have a bit of room to dream after recent comments from the chairman/players about our apparent level of ambition. So here's the football manager style question; you are allowed a net spend of £35m with the goal being to finish 5th/6th in league in 2015, and then pushing CL football the season after. What would your squad be for the first game next season? Assume Saints players are worth the following amounts; Lovren - 15m Shaw - 30m Morgan - 20m Lallana - 25m Gaston - 8m Osvaldo - 8m Chambers - 10m Clyne - 6m Rodriguez - n/a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydneysaint17 Posted 28 April, 2014 Author Share Posted 28 April, 2014 (edited) ....................Schmeichel............. Chambers.....Lovren.......Astori.........Shaw .............Wanyama..........Morgan.............. Scott Sinclair.............Lallana..............Rodriguez..... .......................Lukaku................... Bench; Boruc, Clyne, Fonte, JWP, Cork, Davis, Lambert In Schmeichel - 8m Astori - 10m Lukaku - 25m Sinclair - 5m Spent: £48m Out Ramirez - 8m Osvaldo - 8m Forte, Guly, Isgrove, etc. - free Received: £16m Net spend; £32m. Would consider £15m + Welbeck from United for Shaw. Reinvest £10m on a young foreign LB or buy Cresswell from Ipswich. Optimistic but not unrealistic IMO. Edited 28 April, 2014 by sydneysaint17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 April, 2014 Share Posted 28 April, 2014 Sell Osvaldo for £8m Buy Marteen Steklenberg £4.5m Stephen Caulker -£9m Aaron Hunt - Free Wilfred Bony -£20m Squad for the first game -----Steklenberg Clyne Lovren Caulker Shaw Wanyama Schniderlin Lallana Davis Hunt --------Bony Subs Boruc Fonte Chambers Cork Lambert Ramirez Ward Prowse When Rodriguez is fit he'll come back into the side ahead of Davis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 28 April, 2014 Share Posted 28 April, 2014 Out: Osvaldo - £8m Ramirez - £10m Shaw - £30m do Prado - Free In: Bony - £22m Caulker - £8m Schmeichel - Bosman RW - £10m LB - £5m ---------Schmeichel Clyne - Lovren - Caulker - NEW ---Wanyama - Schneiderlin ----NEW - Lallana - Davis ------------Bony Subs: Boruc, Fonte, Chambers, Cork, JWP, Lambert, Gallagher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 28 April, 2014 Share Posted 28 April, 2014 Out: Lallana - 20m Shaw - 30m Schneiderlin- 17m Hooiveld - free Osvaldo - loaned out to Italy Ramirez - loaned out to Italy Guly - released Isgrove - released In: Gary Roberts, free Shwan Jalal, free Kevin McNaughton (nominal) Marlon King, free ------------------------------------Boruc------------------------------------------- Chambers---------------Fonte-------------------Lovren-------------------Clyne -------------------------Cork--------------------Wanyama-------------------------- ----------Davis-----------------------Ward-Prowse------------------------Roberts -------------------------------------Lambert--------------------------------------- Subs (from): Jalal, Targett, McNaughton, Yoshida, Reed, King, Gallagher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 28 April, 2014 Share Posted 28 April, 2014 After watching Lukaku Saturday would not pay £25m for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 April, 2014 Share Posted 28 April, 2014 After watching Lukaku Saturday would not pay £25m for him. Did he actually turn up ? Thought it might have been a cardboard cut-out. Probably far more concerned about his WC with Belgium than whether Everton finish 4th or 5th. Too many late WC hope ending injuries have occured these last few weeks for it not to concern players . If he went down on Saturday and was out for any time that would leave Belgium without a real front man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintJackoInHurworth Posted 28 April, 2014 Share Posted 28 April, 2014 Not quite sure why so many people want to see us release Isgrove! He was supposed to have been excellent for us in close-season last year. While he may not have had the experience we would have hoped for while out on loan, I could see him coming back and being nurtured back to confidence and then bursting onto the scene next season. Of course though, at the same time, he is getting to an age where he does need to start to make that step up to the first team. As for a budget of £35M, I think that is possibly a little optimistic in the light of the extra costs for our training ground. I would think we would be more likely to have a budget up to £25m including costs of wages. I would expect us to release Guly and to sell Osvaldo. As for Ramirez, that remains to be seen, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him leave, though hope he will stay and be phenomenal for us next season! I would like to see us buying a decent centre back, a striker to replace Osvaldo and either a keeper or reserve keeper. I would also like to see us bringing in some players with development potential where there are gaps in our academy ranks. So, for example, if Turnbull and Stephens fail to step up to the next level, then we may need some other young centre backs with potential (though we also have Mugabe and McCarthy, so maybe we are ok for the moment in terms of potential future centre-backs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintJackoInHurworth Posted 28 April, 2014 Share Posted 28 April, 2014 Forgot to say... if you want some names of players I'd love to see us sign, I'd have to say Astori and Banega, though I don't think central midfield is a priority. Nevertheless, Banega seems like an awesome player, so would love to see us sign him if we could afford him plus a centre back and striker, allowing for the sale or loaning out of Osvaldo and others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 April, 2014 Share Posted 28 April, 2014 After watching Lukaku Saturday would not pay £25m for him. What about all those other games? Or are we basing his ability on one game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydneysaint17 Posted 28 April, 2014 Author Share Posted 28 April, 2014 Not quite sure why so many people want to see us release Isgrove! He was supposed to have been excellent for us in close-season last year. While he may not have had the experience we would have hoped for while out on loan, I could see him coming back and being nurtured back to confidence and then bursting onto the scene next season. Of course though, at the same time, he is getting to an age where he does need to start to make that step up to the first team. As for a budget of £35M, I think that is possibly a little optimistic in the light of the extra costs for our training ground. I would think we would be more likely to have a budget up to £25m including costs of wages. I would expect us to release Guly and to sell Osvaldo. As for Ramirez, that remains to be seen, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him leave, though hope he will stay and be phenomenal for us next season! I would like to see us buying a decent centre back, a striker to replace Osvaldo and either a keeper or reserve keeper. I would also like to see us bringing in some players with development potential where there are gaps in our academy ranks. So, for example, if Turnbull and Stephens fail to step up to the next level, then we may need some other young centre backs with potential (though we also have Mugabe and McCarthy, so maybe we are ok for the moment in terms of potential future centre-backs). Isgrove hasn't played a lot whilst out on loan in a League 1 club. If we want to push 4th/5th/6th, he'd have to make a dramatic improvement to even be considered. He is 21, so at the make or break age. Suspect if he didnt get much of a chance at Peterborough, he certainly wont at Saints! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 28 April, 2014 Share Posted 28 April, 2014 not the first time that I've seen the " Welbeck rumour " but I'm really not 100% convinced about him. Are his goal-scoring achievement s really that good ? Of course he got in (England side) because of his partnership with Rooney, when he couldn't get off the bench at Man.Utd. Whilst it would be good to have another young striker in the squad - I'd go for Ings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 28 April, 2014 Share Posted 28 April, 2014 Isgrove hasn't played a lot whilst out on loan in a League 1 club. If we want to push 4th/5th/6th, he'd have to make a dramatic improvement to even be considered. He is 21, so at the make or break age. Suspect if he didnt get much of a chance at Peterborough, he certainly wont at Saints! Think the Posh manager was a bit cagey about playing him too much when they were going for a play-off spot, but he did finally score on Saturday. More of a future there than at SMS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydneysaint17 Posted 28 April, 2014 Author Share Posted 28 April, 2014 not the first time that I've seen the " Welbeck rumour " but I'm really not 100% convinced about him. Are his goal-scoring achievement s really that good ? Of course he got in (England side) because of his partnership with Rooney, when he couldn't get off the bench at Man.Utd. Whilst it would be good to have another young striker in the squad - I'd go for Ings. He's done alright this season, nearly a goal every other game. Plus he seems to perform in the big games and has always looked decent for England. With regular playing time I reckon he'd be a very good buy (assuming it was a reasonable price). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 28 April, 2014 Share Posted 28 April, 2014 What about all those other games? Or are we basing his ability on one game? Judging from a few Everton fans I spoke to Saturday, his performance Saturday was a regular occurrence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 28 April, 2014 Share Posted 28 April, 2014 (edited) Out - Hooiveld - 0 Sharp - 0 Barnard - 0 Guly - 0 Mayuka - 3mill Yoshida - 3mill Gazzaniga - 1mill Osvaldo - 10mill Ramirez - 10mill In: Pato - 12mill Papadopoulus 8mill Ter Stegen 7mill Chamberlain 10mill Rhodes 6mill -------------------Stegen Chambers-----Lovren----Papadopoulus-----Shaw ---------------Cork-----Schneiderlin Chamberlain--------Lallana-------------Rodriguez -------------------Pato Edit: Oh yeah, Rodriguez is knackered. Maybe Lallana back on the wing until he's fit or something then, Lambert in the middle Edited 28 April, 2014 by Pastor Patrón Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 28 April, 2014 Share Posted 28 April, 2014 Replacing JRod is very difficult, but if somehow we could sign Welbeck, we'd have a very close match for him. Has some pace, alright in the air, can grab goals and has good experience. I'd be amazed if we got him, are we expecting better?? I think we'd be a good move for him, but have a feeling a club like Spurs or Everton might take him, perhaps even Arsenal Given what's out there and how prices have gone, I'd happily see us pay 12m for him. Why would united let a constant England regular go for just £12m?? No chance IMO Unless it was involving a deal for shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teenagegsaint Posted 28 April, 2014 Share Posted 28 April, 2014 Out: Osvaldo - £10m Ramirez - £10m do Prado - Free Isgrove-Free Gallagher-Loan Gazzaniga-lona Received: £20m In: Caulker - £8m Mannone- £4m Welbeck £15m Bertrand £5m Redmond £5m Spent: £37m ------------Boruc-------- Clyne - Lovren - Caulker - Shaw ---Wanyama - Schneiderlin ----------Davis------------ Lallana ----Lambert---Welbeck Subs: Mannone, Fonte, Chambers, Bertrand, Cork, JWP, Redmond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 28 April, 2014 Share Posted 28 April, 2014 I don't know, just said I thought he'd be worth that. Any more and I think us or whoever buys him might start to think it's a bit much. Players surplus to requirements tend to go for less money even if they are good. How much do you think he'd cost? Look at Fellaini, clearly a good prem midfielder, but probably half the value of last summer despite being the same player. If they're spending big and shipping out a few people I imagine they'll be selling at lower prices. Think £20m English, international, does score goals, young, the cost of replacing him When you look at the money prem clubs will be getting, all prices are going to be mental IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 April, 2014 Share Posted 28 April, 2014 Think £20m English, international, does score goals, young, the cost of replacing him When you look at the money prem clubs will be getting, all prices are going to be mental IMO Which is why one needs to stop thinking so insularly. The best bargains aren't to be had in the UK. No one else from Italy though thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 28 April, 2014 Share Posted 28 April, 2014 Seen a few games where he has great chances to play someone in on goal and completely ****s it up. Ba did the same yesterday, as did Guly on Saturday. Not sure Lukaku would fit our style at all. He was sub at WBA a lot despite his goals. Plus considering Everton's position and being the main striker, his tally isn't that great. Jeez if I score here they will all be on the pitch like they sing and we'll get a points deduction the boss won't get his bonus and then I won't get a cake when I leave......... Still I know I'm off to Brazil in the summer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 28 April, 2014 Share Posted 28 April, 2014 Which is why one needs to stop thinking so insularly. The best bargains aren't to be had in the UK. No one else from Italy though thanks. Spain seems to be a successful market to tap into Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 April, 2014 Share Posted 28 April, 2014 Spain seems to be a successful market to tap into Spain,Germany,Portugal but nothing is ever worth having from Italy. Their football is more of a social event than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 28 April, 2014 Share Posted 28 April, 2014 Sell Osvaldo for £8m Buy Marteen Steklenberg £4.5m Stephen Caulker -£9m Aaron Hunt - Free Wilfred Bony -£20m Squad for the first game -----Steklenberg Clyne Lovren Caulker Shaw Wanyama Schniderlin Lallana Davis Hunt --------Bony Subs Boruc Fonte Chambers Cork Lambert Ramirez Ward Prowse When Rodriguez is fit he'll come back into the side ahead of Davis. Like that, although would rather have as ins: Marteen Steklenberg £4.5m Stephen Caulker -£9m Borini - £3m Berardi - £5m Yimaz - $10m -----Steklenberg Clyne Lovren Caulker Shaw Wanyama Schniderlin Lallana Lambert Borini --------Yilmaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 28 April, 2014 Share Posted 28 April, 2014 Wilfred Bony -£20m Can't wait to see him do his first 'I'm staying here goal celebration' at SMS. I have to say though that he's looked a decent player, so powerful. Head of scouting at Swansea might be a good signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 28 April, 2014 Share Posted 28 April, 2014 Out - Hooiveld - 0 Sharp - 0 Barnard - 0 Guly - 0 Mayuka - 3mill Yoshida - 3mill Gazzaniga - 1mill Osvaldo - 10mill Ramirez - 10mill In: Pato - 12mill Papadopoulus 8mill Ter Stegen 7mill Chamberlain 10mill Rhodes 6mill -------------------Stegen Chambers-----Lovren----Papadopoulus-----Shaw ---------------Cork-----Schneiderlin Chamberlain--------Lallana-------------Rodriguez -------------------Pato Edit: Oh yeah, Rodriguez is knackered. Maybe Lallana back on the wing until he's fit or something then, Lambert in the middle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 28 April, 2014 Share Posted 28 April, 2014 In McCarthy (gk)4m In holtby 5m In Remy 10m In Moses 3m Out Ramirez, osvaldo, guly, Hooiveld, fox, gazzaniga, sharp etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 28 April, 2014 Share Posted 28 April, 2014 In - 48 - 38m GK Schmeichel/Marshall (free/5mil) CB Caulker/Mancienne/Shawcross (6millish) MF Hughes/Redmond/daelhi/holtby (12mill/5mill) ST Welbeck/Bony/Benteke/Lukaku (20-25m) Out - 16-20m Ramirez 8-10m Osvaldo 8-10m Sharp - Minimal Hoovield - minimal Net spend - 28-22m The team will pick itself TBH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddings and Monkeys Posted 28 April, 2014 Share Posted 28 April, 2014 What about all those other games? Or are we basing his ability on one game? My friend watched him all through Chelsea's pre season training - every session. He really isn't that good. Vastly over-rated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 28 April, 2014 Share Posted 28 April, 2014 In McCarthy (gk)4m In holtby 5m In Remy 10m In Moses 3m Out Ramirez, osvaldo, guly, Hooiveld, fox, gazzaniga, sharp etc Why not just buy Remy Moses? Sent from my XT1032 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 28 April, 2014 Share Posted 28 April, 2014 My friend watched him all through Chelsea's pre season training - every session. He really isn't that good. Vastly over-rated. He is a good player but Mourinho isnt stupid, he certainly wouldnt ship out a good player just out of spite. He isnt the finished article yet. A lot of him being sent out though I believe is because of Lukakus want for 1st team action and Mourinho not being able to provide the levels he wanted, well, that and he wanted Lukaku to work harder etc. Personally I think Benteke is the better option and IMO isnt going to be overly enthralled about another season at an awefull club like Villa, Id break the bank for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddings and Monkeys Posted 28 April, 2014 Share Posted 28 April, 2014 He is a good player but Mourinho isnt stupid, he certainly wouldnt ship out a good player just out of spite. He isnt the finished article yet. A lot of him being sent out though I believe is because of Lukakus want for 1st team action and Mourinho not being able to provide the levels he wanted, well, that and he wanted Lukaku to work harder etc. Personally I think Benteke is the better option and IMO isnt going to be overly enthralled about another season at an awefull club like Villa, Id break the bank for him. Agree with you. Lukaku had to stay behind after the others had finished for shooting practice - not because he wanted to but because he was told to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 28 April, 2014 Share Posted 28 April, 2014 Have you calmed down yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 28 April, 2014 Share Posted 28 April, 2014 Have you calmed down yet? Nah keep em coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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