wild-saint Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 i know its hard not be bias but personally in shaw and clyne i think we saw Englands starting fullbacks this afternoon. Come on Roy be brave and pick for the future. ok, so its unlikely either will be picked but for me i wouldnt swap either for johnson or baines. i think shaws final ball needs work but he is some player already. Both have electric pace, defend well and love to bomb forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Baines is better than Shaw is right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Baines is better than Shaw is right now. Not today he wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Crab Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Baines is better than Shaw is right now. He really isn't. Last season, certainly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Not today he wasn't. Not much in it. Shaw was on top form today, as usual. But I thought Baines was decent too. Different types of player but both two very, very good left backs. And if Luke Shaw doesn't go to Brazil instead of Ashley Cole, it'll be a travesty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 did Baines take a knock? seemed to be holding his leg/knee a fair bit 2nd half. Was a bit anonymous today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Not much in it. Shaw was on top form today, as usual. But I thought Baines was decent too. Different types of player but both two very, very good left backs. And if Luke Shaw doesn't go to Brazil instead of Ashley Cole, it'll be a travesty. Clyne had Baines in his pocket most of the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Not much in it. Shaw was on top form today, as usual. But I thought Baines was decent too. Different types of player but both two very, very good left backs. And if Luke Shaw doesn't go to Brazil instead of Ashley Cole, it'll be a travesty. Agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Clyne has certainly upped his game since losing his place to Chambers. Personally I feel that Chambers is the better player going towards our goal and Clyne the better going towards the opposition. I'd certainly take Shaw & Clyne to Brazil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Clyne had Baines in his pocket most of the match. Wasn't up against Baines for the most part, but he took complete control of Deulofeu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Shaw was better than Baines today - but Baines is a better option. He's a better defensive option, Shaw showed today his defensive faults. Can certainly see Shaw being used as a more forward player in the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Shaw was better than Baines today - but Baines is a better option. He's a better defensive option, Shaw showed today his defensive faults. Can certainly see Shaw being used as a more forward player in the future Really? That's the one thing I think he massively needs to up his game at. When we had Bale his defending was pretty ropey but his attacking was amazing. And the free kicks, of course. Shaw for me is the opposite, solid defensively but naive going forwards. He'll learn, he's only 18, but I don't see him as a natural midfielder. Yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Baines is a better player than Shaw at present. He had a poor game today and hasn't been in scintillating form but has far too much quality and experience to leave out of the starting XI. I was going to start a thread on Clyne though. Roy's still watching and if Pochettino keeps him in the team for the last two games I really think he's got a shot. Johnson's a shoe-in for the squad but Walker isn't really impressing. There is a good chance, however, that Hodgson won't take two out-and-out right backs and will instead rely on Jones and Smalling for cover. Which is fair enough, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 26 April, 2014 Author Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Wasn't up against Baines for the most part, but he took complete control of Deulofeu. agree with that too. the barca lad was owned by clyne and when he swapped sides was owned by shaw. baines has a cultured left foot but doesnt have the explosive pace of shaw. shaw frightened the life out of them when he bombed forward. MP was regularly trying to get shaw to push up more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Can anyone seriously think Johnson and Walker are better than Clyne? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Really? That's the one thing I think he massively needs to up his game at. When we had Bale his defending was pretty ropey but his attacking was amazing. And the free kicks, of course. Shaw for me is the opposite, solid defensively but naive going forwards. He'll learn, he's only 18, but I don't see him as a natural midfielder. Yet. Shaw's awareness and positioning is worrying, his dribbling and crossing is superb. As per the game today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Can anyone seriously think Johnson and Walker are better than Clyne? I think Johnson is a better choice for England than Clyne. On his day he's the best right back in the league and while he has off days for Liverpool, he doesn't for England. No way of knowing how Clyne will fare if he gets brought into the fold but Johnson is a sure bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Can anyone seriously think Johnson and Walker are better than Clyne? Roy Hodgson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 To my eyes, Clyne is just as good as Shaw, perhaps a smidgen better given he offers a bit more threat in front of goal than Shaw does when playing in an advanced position. I guess Shaw grabs the media (and Hodgson's) attention over and above Clyne more because of his age more than anything else (not forgetting that Clyne hasn't started as many games this season of course, which is obviously a significant factor) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Clyne's pace means that he rarely gets beaten in a 1v1 and recovers quickly from any mistake. Defensively he's our best fullback. He's also a threat going forward even if his end product is a bit raw. His weaknesses are a lack of composure in our possession/passing game and a tendency to get exposed in their air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Shaw's awareness and positioning is worrying, his dribbling and crossing is superb. As per the game today Can't agree with that. Dribbling yes, but crossing no. Take our last home game against Villa, he got in so many opportunities but did absolutely nothing with them. Like I say, he will learn, but IMO his distribution is the part he needs to work on to become a truly top class left back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 You can understand why Hodgson has trouble selecting a squad when we have such diverse opinions about our full backs.. To me Cole is still the best left back by a mile.. Just needs games. Baines is not great defensively but is a shoe in to go. So Shaw may have to. Wait for the Euros.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 You can understand why Hodgson has trouble selecting a squad when we have such diverse opinions about our full backs.. To me Cole is still the best left back by a mile.. Just needs games. Baines is not great defensively but is a shoe in to go. So Shaw may have to. Wait for the Euros.. How is he going to get those? How many does he need? Tick tock... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Roy obviously likes Baines. For me, I would take Cole and Shaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Both played well today, Clyne was especially good. Given that Shaw is still only 18 it's quite frightening to think how good he's going to be. Injuries permitting I can't see either of them playing in this World Cup although they could both easily be starting for England by the time 2018 comes around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Roy obviously likes Baines. For me, I would take Cole and Shaw. And who would you make your first choice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Cole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Cole. Hmm. He's started 12 games in the PL all season. Chelsea have played a right back instead of him at left back. Fair enough if you think that; but for me it's the ultimate example of picking a player of past glories. There is no value to England whatsoever in taking him to Brazil. We're clearly not going to win the tournament, if we get out of the group it will be an achievement. May as well give our future players a go over some player who will retire from international football after the tournament anyway. Just my opinion, like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Hmm. He's started 12 games in the PL all season. Chelsea have played a right back instead of him at left back. Fair enough if you think that; but for me it's the ultimate example of picking a player of past glories. There is no value to England whatsoever in taking him to Brazil. We're clearly not going to win the tournament, if we get out of the group it will be an achievement. May as well give our future players a go over some player who will retire from international football after the tournament anyway. Just my opinion, like. It's a tough one and I would like to say Shaw. I just think Cole's experience and reliability swings it for me. Otherwise my picks would be quite a young side: Something like: Hart Clyne Cahill Jagielka Cole Henderson Gerrard Ox Lallana Rooney Sturridge Put Shaw in that back four aswell and it makes me go more than it does already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Hart Clyne Cahill Jagielka Shaw Cork Gerrard Lallana Lambert Jay Rod Sturridge If I was England manager I'd play this team (and Jay Rod didn't get injured) We'd win the WC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Problem with the team, is Gerrard will be further forward and leave gaps, and Rooney will be further back, in Gerrard's way, and leaving gaps. Difficult one. Gerrard has been very good this season, but I don't buy this 'superb defensive midfielder' stuff, he's still been getting forward a hell of a lot in a very attacking team, and liverpool have been pretty frail defensively. Who in that midfield 3 will sit in the central midfield and help control the temp? can't just rely on blood and guts effort forever. Whoever sits (Gerrard for me) we are still going to be frail at the back. I think we have some good options going forward but with our defence, and the group we are in? I'm not hopeful of going very far in this tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Hart Clyne Cahill Jagielka Shaw Cork Gerrard Lallana Lambert Jay Rod Sturridge If I was England manager I'd play this team (and Jay Rod didn't get injured) We'd win the WC Not with Hart, Cahill and Jagielka we wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Whoever sits (Gerrard for me) we are still going to be frail at the back. I think we have some good options going forward but with our defence, and the group we are in? I'm not hopeful of going very far in this tournament. It has to be Gerrard. Anyone who suggests otherwise doesn't know much about football. Even Jordan Henderson has been fairly adventurous for a defensive midfielder this season, so it's not as if he's had a Makalele figure there to bail him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Not with Hart, Cahill and Jagielka we wouldn't. In which case, Kelvin and Chambers (at CB) step up! Leave Cahill IMO. While we are at it, take out Gerrard and put JWP in, and screw Sturridge, put Gallagher in there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teenagegsaint Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 England team should be: Hart Johnson, Cahill, Jagielka, Baines Gerrard, Henderson Sterling, Rooney, Lallana Sturrdige Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Shaw's awareness and positioning is worrying, his dribbling and crossing is superb. As per the game today And he needs to play to the whistle. A couple of tines today he stopped playing and stood with his hand in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 England team should be: Hart Johnson, Cahill, Jagielka, Baines Gerrard, Henderson Sterling, Rooney, Lallana Sturrdige Think Roy may play Welbeck instead of Sterling but otherwise this will be the team. Not the one I'd pick but not far off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Shaw has to go as backup to Baines. That said, LS looked every bit an international player today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Hmm. He's started 12 games in the PL all season. Chelsea have played a right back instead of him at left back. Fair enough if you think that; but for me it's the ultimate example of picking a player of past glories. There is no value to England whatsoever in taking him to Brazil. We're clearly not going to win the tournament, if we get out of the group it will be an achievement. May as well give our future players a go over some player who will retire from international football after the tournament anyway. Just my opinion, like. Here, here, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Jim Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Not today he wasn't. That's debatable, he probably was but it was marginal. I thought Baines looked more solid defensively whereas there were a couple of moments I though Shaw looked vulnerable (but then he recovered the situations really well) and Baines delivery was better (not that he had many chances to deliver a ball). Shaw was excellent pushing forward, more so than Baines. Different players but if Shaw can either improve his delivery or become so much more solid defensively then I think he'll push Baines for that England fullback spot. Clyne on the other hand was excellent and looked back to his best form. For me he should be going to the WC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 I would take Shaw and Baines. Baines is a great player, most under rated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 And he needs to play to the whistle. A couple of tines today he stopped playing and stood with his hand in the air. A Bairdesque approach that needs to be knocked on the head straight away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westofshannonsaint Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 I think Clyne's ability to play on both sides has led to him providing cover for both LB and RB slots this season and being used more sparingly (along with Chambers coming through). This is the reason I think he should be considered for a spot in the England squad - even ahead of Shaw. I hope his lack of playing time doesn't suggest to other clubs that he may be available. Surprisingly he seems off the radar at the moment. I hope it stays that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 I think Hodgson was there to watch the fullbacks as Lallana and Lambert are going. Battle of the fullbacks today. Ours won. I'd be happy enough for Cole to be selected but it's looking more and more likely that Shaw will. Shaw has shone against Chelsea when Cole's played and today against Everton with Baines. Clyne's probably a better defender than Johnson or Walker, acknowledging that he isn't so good in the air. Whether it's too late for Clyne who knows. He wouldn't let England down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 27 April, 2014 Share Posted 27 April, 2014 Walker is injured at the moment, anyone know when he is back? I think Clyne has a great chance of going to Brazil. Hodgson has already name checked and couldn't help being impressed by Clynes performance yesterday. Sent from my XT1032 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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