"Dutch gamble yet to pay off" - Echo

[saintwarwick]

I was actually suggesting that if you compare our 8 game current form to our 6 game current form, then we have actually moved up a few places!!!!!!

 

C'est la vie.

 

Your post using the 8 game stat (22nd) actually see's us worse of than the 6 game stat (18th) unless I've missed something. As I said the only stat that can give a true reflection is the latest table, that don't lie

[alpine_saint]

Your post using the 8 game stat (22nd) actually see's us worse of than the 6 game stat (18th) unless I've missed something. As I said the only stat that can give a true reflection is the latest table, that don't lie

 

Keep clutching those straws

 

Poortvillet and your footballing God were talking about "enjoying success", play-offs and 6-wins-from-10 a while back....

 

:rolleyes:

[um pahars]

Your post using the 8 game stat (22nd) actually see's us worse of than the 6 game stat (18th) unless I've missed something. As I said the only stat that can give a true reflection is the latest table, that don't lie

 

And we have improved going from the 8 game (1 3 4) to the 6 game (1 3 2) current form table, so was actually pointing out that our current form has got better!!!!!!!!

[NickG]

can't remember who was arguing what now!

 

Hopefully will all look a lot better on Sunday.

 

Think Charlton and Derby need to turn things around quickly -Derby are in danger of going into another run like the start of the season

[saintwarwick]

Keep clutching those straws

 

Poortvillet and your footballing God were talking about "enjoying success", play-offs and 6-wins-from-10 a while back....

 

:rolleyes:

 

And what straws would that be? I also don't remember any manager talking about "we are doomed", we will get relegated, we are going to lose 6 from our next 10 games...

[saintwarwick]

And we have improved going from the 8 game (1 3 4) to the 6 game (1 3 2) current form table, so was actually pointing out that our current form has got better!!!!!!!!

 

I see where you are coming from now, it was how it appeared amongst this thread that made it look the other way around.

[Legod Third Coming]

can't remember who was arguing what now!

 

Hopefully will all look a lot better on Sunday.

 

Think Charlton and Derby need to turn things around quickly -Derby are in danger of going into another run like the start of the season

 

What is going on there with Jewell and Carroll??

[sadoldgit]

Of course employing every manager is somewhat of a gamble.

 

But if you can't see how some are perhaps more of a gamble than others, and that ours fits in slightly past the median of those gambles, then you're more of a fool than I've already got you down for.

 

Lost none of your insufferable arrogance I see then Steve.

 

So after Strachan failed so dreadfully at Coventry would you say he was a huge gamble at the time?

 

As you seem to know more about this than me, what was your take on the appointment of Lawrie Mac after Ted Bates? Bit of a gamble surely? Especially as he took us down.

 

Still like using those rolly eyed thingies I see. So you (or your nephew) haven't grasped the fact that they make you come across like some spotty little 16 year old nerd who actually believes that by using them it makes your arguement more valid.

 

FFS grow up.

[Thedelldays]

No, no. I do think it was more of a gamble than WGS, that was my point. Sorry, not clear. But I would say only 20% more risky. That's what I meant.

 

And as for Pearson, only 10% more risky all things considered. After all, much as I liked him, only Leicester and Coventry failing to score actually saved us, not Pearson alone. (That said, I liked him and would have kept him - but that as AJP Taylor would say, is history).

oh...so now you change your tune a bit..you could say that chalrton failing to score in game X,Y,Z has kept us above water for a bit and not Jan alone...but of course...lets not question the manager and the "best football in years"™

[um pahars]

Lost none of your insufferable arrogance I see then Steve.

 

So after Strachan failed so dreadfully at Coventry would you say he was a huge gamble at the time?

 

As you seem to know more about this than me, what was your take on the appointment of Lawrie Mac after Ted Bates? Bit of a gamble surely? Especially as he took us down.

 

Still like using those rolly eyed thingies I see. So you (or your nephew) haven't grasped the fact that they make you come across like some spotty little 16 year old nerd who actually believes that by using them it makes your arguement more valid.

 

FFS grow up.

 

With all the time you have sat on your ar55e, the least you could have done would be to read what is posted, before you go and embarass yourself with such a drab reply.:rolleyes:

 

I think you'll find that I said every manager was a gamble to some degree. :confused:

 

WGS coming here following relegation, Lawrie coming from the lower divisions etc etc etc, all had a degree of a gamble about them, particularly with nothing in football being guaranteed.

 

However, if you think that our experiment of playing "Total Football" under a "Revolutionary Coaching Set Up", where the "Skill and Steel" is being trusted to a man with close to zero experience of this league and whose career in his own country is not as glowing as some would have us believe, is not a gamble with longer odds than most, then you are indeed a fool.:roll:

 

Even many of those who support Lowe concede that this is a mighty gamble given his background, record & experience, and the situation we find ourselves in.

 

It might of course be a masterstroke, at which point I will doff my cap to Lowe and Jan, but it will still have been a gamble which I would say was past the median and towards the longish end of the scale.

[Legod Third Coming]

oh...so now you change your tune a bit..you could say that chalrton failing to score in game X,Y,Z has kept us above water for a bit and not Jan alone...but of course...lets not question the manager and the "best football in years"™

 

 

Not so. Today we are four points clear of relegation. On the last day of last season we were not safe - and relied on other results.

 

Don't get me wrong, I liked Pearson and would have kept him. But I despair of people rewriting history to claim he would have done better than Jan or the more laughable, the we had 'turned a corner'. We started the last day of the season in the bottom three.

 

You have every right to question the manager. But it is unfair to blame him for the results without considering the raw material at his disposal.

[Oz]

Conversely, we have failed to take advantage of their poor runs. Whereas we may have been well clear of the relegation zone by now, if we were to lose on Saturday, we could quite easily find our self in the botton 3.

 

no, we are 4 points clear of the third from bottom, but point taken we WILL be in a relegation place come next may!

[Scudamore]

Conversely, we have failed to take advantage of their poor runs. Whereas we may have been well clear of the relegation zone by now, if we were to lose on Saturday, we could quite easily find our self in the botton 3.

 

no, we are 4 points clear of the third from bottom, but point taken we WILL be in a relegation place come next may!

 

Having a conversation with yourself?

[Saint Fan CaM]

we may lose better players but also hear Charlton maybe -who knows.

Hopefully we will see a lot more of Schneiderlin and Holmes.

We may have the benefit of returning loan players.

 

Remember it was stated, as fact, on here during the summer that even more players than did actually go would be sold -and no-one would come in.

 

Can't see any logic in your 2nd and 3rd points?

 

Don't give a monkeys toss about other team results - just what we achieve. We must be masters of our own destiny. Hence my third point - other teams near us in the table will be changing things around to improve - JP does not seem capable of making any kind of sustained improvement to the team despite having some talented youngsters and some reasonable older heads. Why? Because he's useless as a manager/tactician.

 

There is huge risk to these young players futures by rushing them back before they've had a chance to mend properly - I hope Holmes really is as fit as they say. Anyway, this does nothing to offset my feeling that we're not good enough as the main problem at the moment is the coach not the players.

[Scudamore]

Don't give a monkeys toss about other team results - just what we achieve. We must be masters of our own destiny. Hence my third point - other teams near us in the table will be changing things around to improve - JP does not seem capable of making any kind of sustained improvement to the team despite having some talented youngsters and some reasonable older heads. Why? Because he's useless as a manager/tactician.

 

There is huge risk to these young players futures by rushing them back before they've had a chance to mend properly - I hope Holmes really is as fit as they say. Anyway, this does nothing to offset my feeling that we're not good enough as the main problem at the moment is the coach not the players.

 

I disagree