Deano6 Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 Bit worrying to hear there's absolutely no interest from any other club for any of our players. Why not? What's wrong with them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 Bit worrying to hear there's absolutely no interest from any other club for any of our players. Why not? What's wrong with them? Too expensive, some of the figures that have been bandied about (and go up by the day) are nonsensical. Anyone who honestly believes that anyone is going to give us 30 million for Shaw needs to get some reality tablets. There are left backs available who are equally as good as Shaw for 7 or 8 million, may be less. I'll give 2 starters for 10, Kurzawa and Riccardo Rodriguez, better players all round, a quarter of the price and probably half of the money (or less)..................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 Anyone who honestly believes that anyone is going to give us 30 million for Shaw needs to get some reality tablets. There are left backs available who are equally as good as Shaw for 7 or 8 million, may be less. I'll give 2 starters for 10, Kurzawa and Riccardo Rodriguez, better players all round, a quarter of the price and probably half of the money (or less)..................... The two players you mention are 3 years older than Shaw! I think you underestimate how good Shaw is for his age, he is the 1st choice left back for a top 8 Premier League team and has a senior England cap at the age of 18. I think he looks more impressive than Bale did at the same stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 The two players you mention are 3 years older than Shaw! I think you underestimate how good Shaw is for his age, he is the 1st choice left back for a top 8 Premier League team and has a senior England cap at the age of 18. I think he looks more impressive than Bale did at the same stage. Defensively maybe but offensively, with respect, not a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 The two players you mention are 3 years older than Shaw! I think you underestimate how good Shaw is for his age, he is the 1st choice left back for a top 8 Premier League team and has a senior England cap at the age of 18. I think he looks more impressive than Bale did at the same stage. Age does not count really, if you're at a top club you're expected to do the job whether you're 10 or 40. Bale has nothing whatsoever to do with it, he was a LB with us but Tottenham converted him into a MF because of his incredible acceleration. If Cole was playing regularly Shaw would not be in the England squad, I suspect Flannagan might well get in in front of him in the near future as well. Better player all round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 I think he looks more impressive than Bale did at the same stage. Defensively maybe but offensively, with respect, not a chance. Shaw has played nearly 60 Premier League games at the age of 18. Bale didn't have anything remotely close to that experience, he played for us in the Championship and took a long time to break into the Spurs team. Comparing them both at 18, Shaw has significantly more experience and proven at a higher level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 I suspect Flannagan might well get in in front of him in the near future as well. Better player all round. far too ugly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 far too ugly That will be offset by the fact that Liverpool players form the nucleus of the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 Shaw has played nearly 60 Premier League games at the age of 18. Bale didn't have anything remotely close to that experience, he played for us in the Championship and took a long time to break into the Spurs team. Comparing them both at 18, Shaw has significantly more experience and proven at a higher level. are you saying shaw is going to be better than bale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 are you saying shaw is going to be better than bale? He'll need to learn to shoot first. Bales greatest asset at his debuts with us was his dead ball ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 I suspect Flannagan might well get in in front of him in the near future as well. Better player all round. They'll be competing in years to come, but there's no chance Flanagan's a better player now. He's looked very good but only over half a season of Premier League football while Shaw has done it consistently for almost 60 games now. Shaw is much more of an attacking threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 (edited) Age does not count really, if you're at a top club you're expected to do the job whether you're 10 or 40. Of course it counts, you are comparing an 18 year old with two 21 year olds. They have been professionals for 3 extra seasons. What Shaw has achieved by the age if 18 is more impressive than what either of them had done. Bale has nothing whatsoever to do with it, he was a LB with us but Tottenham converted him into a MF because of his incredible acceleration. Shaw also like Bale played for Saints youth teams as a midfielder, he could quite easily convert back. He has many of the qualities you need in a winger and is given a lot of attacking freedom in Pochettino's system. If Cole was playing regularly Shaw would not be in the England squad. But Cole isn't playing, so that is a nonsensical argument. Cole is very much on the decline and is far from the player he once was. I suspect Flannagan might well get in in front of him in the near future as well. Better player all round. Flanagan really isn't as impressive as the Scousers and media make out. On average he is beaten more by the opposing winger than any over Premier League defender this season and offers little attacking threat when compared to Shaw. Edited 25 April, 2014 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 Shaw has played nearly 60 Premier League games at the age of 18. Bale didn't have anything remotely close to that experience, he played for us in the Championship and took a long time to break into the Spurs team. Comparing them both at 18, Shaw has significantly more experience and proven at a higher level. Yes... But will you categorically state Shaw is better offensively than Bale at the same age? Bale had scored 3 goals for Tottenham in his debut season barely playing and 5 for us while 16 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 Shaw doesn't have the goal threat that Bale had when he was with us, but he can work on that. Lord knows Bale has - he was full of natural talent but he's only the player he is now because he worked on the right aspects of his game and worked damn hard. If Shaw does the same he might make an attacker, but he's shorter and stockier than Bale. Not quite the same type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 Shaw has played nearly 60 Premier League games at the age of 18. Bale didn't have anything remotely close to that experience, he played for us in the Championship and took a long time to break into the Spurs team. Comparing them both at 18, Shaw has significantly more experience and proven at a higher level. Have to agree to disagree there... watching Bale in the 2006/7 season, it was clear he was a genius in the making... Shaw does not show the same level to me... time will tell I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 are you saying shaw is going to be better than bale? I didn't say that at all, I wouldn't compleltely rule it out though. Comparing both at 17/18 years old, I'd say Shaw is the more impressive and has achieved more. For Shaw to be at Bale's level when he is 24 years old will be quite something as Bale did improve rapidly. Shaw's finishing would need to improve if he did move forward from left back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 Flannagan really isn't as impressive as the Scousers and media make out. On average he is beaten more by the opposing winger than any over Premier League defender this season and offers little attacking threat when compared to Shaw. i don't think he's v.good either MLG but i was too intimidated by windows strong opinions to own to it He has been lot better in last few weeks tbf, but before that i thought he was v.average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 Have to agree to disagree there... watching Bale in the 2006/7 season, it was clear he was a genius in the making... Shaw does not show the same level to me... time will tell I guess. Bale although very good in 2006/07 was doing it in the Championship. Shaw has played nearly 60 Premier League games, is a first choice player for a top 8 team in England and has a senior England cap. Shaw is the more proven if you compare them at the same age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 bit rough to mug off Bale for not having enough England caps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 bit rough to mug off Bale for not having enough England caps. A senior England cap at 18 is more impressive than playing for Wales at 18. Not Bale's fault he plays for a weak nation, but I was highlighting just how impressive it is for Shaw to be competing for an England World Cup place with Ashley Cole at the age of 18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 I didn't say that at all, I wouldn't compleltely rule it out though. Comparing both at 17/18 years old, I'd say Shaw is the more impressive and has achieved more. For Shaw to be at Bale's level when he is 24 years old will be quite something as Bale did improve rapidly. Shaw's finishing would need to improve if he did move forward from left back. matt oakley also had more prem games at a younger age than bale so have many players shaw has more top flight (and england caps) at 18 than Matt Le Tissier. I will tell you now that he will never be that good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 shaw has more top flight (and england caps) at 18 than Matt Le Tissier. I will tell you now that he will never be that good he's already a better left back than MLT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 A senior England cap at 18 is more impressive than playing for Wales at 18. Not Bale's fault he plays for a weak nation, but I was highlighting just how impressive it is for Shaw to be competing for an England World Cup place with Ashley Cole at the age of 18. Bale played for Wales at 16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WokingSaint Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 Wonderful statement - just what we wanted to hear! Up Yours Daily Mail! (See today's article - will they print a retraction tomorrow? Don't hold your breath!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 Very welcome statement, categoric if slightly overdue. I think it was a bit much to expect supporters to start considering buying season tickets without some reassurances on the manager’s future and that has now been given. Although I still can't think why MP wants to wait until the end of an already dead rubber season. What I would like to see next is a press conference with all those journos (inc ones from respected outlets) in attendance in front of the Saints fans and we can ask them why basically they made up a pack of lies. Has anyone got that Guardian reporter's contact details, the one who claimed the Shaw deal was virtually done? I would like to have a quiet word. No doubt they would claim Reed was lying. On Twitter: @JamieJackson__ http://www.fat-pie.com/jerryjackson.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 That guardian article was amazing, given today's press conference. http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/apr/23/manchester-united-beat-chelsea-luke-shaw-transfer-david-moyes I find the level of detail mind blowing considering it seems to be utter fantasy! Moyes is recognised at United for being largely responsible for persuading Shaw to place United ahead of Chelsea, with the former manager having put in long hours to try to secure the hottest prospect in the domestic game. Evra, 33 next month, was considering leaving in the close season but the Frenchman is now minded to stay. Shaw has been informed of this and that Evra would be happy to act as his mentor. The £100,000 a-week, five-year contract, on offer to Shaw is far greater than Chelsea are willing to pay and they have decided to pull out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 Mods, can we try to keep this one on topic please? I can read tit for tat arguments about the relative merits of Luke Shaw on plenty of other threads. Ta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 The full statement is even more reassuring then the snippets on club twitter feed. I still think Shaw will end up moving on but if we can keep the rest and add to squad I would be happy with that. Read why the man said. Can't you just accept that and shut up about Shaw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 ...but what didn't he say..? Thats the important bit... **** Me, there's always one moron who cannot understand or will knot understand the spoken word. It's what he DIOD say that matters you dope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 Of course it counts, you are comparing an 18 year old with two 21 year olds. They have been professionals for 3 extra seasons. What Shaw has achieved by the age if 18 is more impressive than what either of them had done. But as football is today it´s very rare that a player stays the whole career in the same club.....most football clubs buy players for a period of maybe 4-6 yrs...? Then if you want to buy a player and use him for 4-6 yrs it must be wiser to buy a 24-25 yrs old and use him until he´s 28-29 cause those yrs are often the best years of a players career than to buy an 18 yrs old and use him until he´s 23-24?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 That guardian article was amazing, given today's press conference. http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/apr/23/manchester-united-beat-chelsea-luke-shaw-transfer-david-moyes I find the level of detail mind blowing considering it seems to be utter fantasy! Probably an agent getting carried away. Could be Luke Shaws agent, or someone connected. And the idea that Moyes played a role makes it an interesting angle for them to go with. As does the Evra thing. It's unlikely there hasn't been third - party to third - party contact, to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 I'm tremendously encouraged by Reed's statement. After all, the perceived wisdom of all the forum's greatest experts has consistently told us that anything written by journos, both of the Red Top and Broadsheet varieties, is beyond reproach. I was even challenged to confirm that I was more ready to take the statements from the club as being of greater relevance to the sale of any of our players than the rumours from journos and labelled as naive for taking that stance. But assurances will no doubt follow from these forum experts that the club must be lying, it is what wasn't said that carries more weight, we will be forced to sell against our will, etc, etc. It takes two to tango and until we hear from more reliable sources that any of our players wish to leave, then I am happy to accept that following Reed's statement, they won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 In my opinion MLT is a far better goal keeper than Mr Forecast will ever be. and he would give gazza a run for his money, if he hadnt eaten all those pies and big macs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monosaint Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 Allowing players to talk to other clubs is one thing but I am not sure that Agents are under the same restrictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 I wonder how much Les Reads statement had to do about reassuring all the clubs employee must have been very unsettling for all with so much negative crap being bandied about in various media outlets The players need to focus on the games not being distracted day in day out Come on you saints time for the toffees to come unstuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JN9 Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 **** Me, there's always one moron who cannot understand or will knot understand the spoken word. It's what he DIOD say that matters you dope! Calm down Charlotte! I was only having a little joke with y'all... Have a forum ***** slap for that outburst! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 Imo L.Reed has made this such a perfect day. I'm glad i spent it with you guise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopper Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 I doubt we would have had any statement at all under the previous regime, so Les Reed`s is encouraging not only for its content but also hopefully for being an example of Katharina`s statement back in January when she stated a desire for the club to be "open" in it's communication and take decisions in the best interests of staff, players and fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyc Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 (edited) Based on homepage coverage (at the time of posting), press reaction to Reed's statement very enlightening... Guardian - not reporting it but Shaw story removed from football homepage. Telegraph - not reporting it Independent - not reporting it Mail - not reporting it, still running £55m Shaw/Lallana story Mirror - running Reed's statement Express - not reporting it Star - running Reed's statement Can't see Sun or Times as they're behind a pay wall. Disappointing but not surprising. And tells you all you need to know about editorial agendas. Edited 25 April, 2014 by mikeyc Spelling mistake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 Waiting for Bazza to pop in and slag this all off on the basis of his name being "Leslie" as well as making other HILARIOUS remarks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horley CTFC Saint Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 Yes. Happy Clappers United 10 - Doom City Albion 0 (Glasgow Saint og. 1, Barry Sanchez og 12, Glasgow Saint og. 23, Barry Sanchez og 27, Barry Sanchez og 28, Glasgow Saint og. 45, Glasgow Saint og. 67, Barry Sanchez og 70, Glasgow Saint og. 78, Barry Sanchez og 90 ) Player of the Match: Les Reed Jos didn't play then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 But les reed took Charlton down?!!! yes but it was ..Charlton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 That guardian article was amazing, given today's press conference. http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/apr/23/manchester-united-beat-chelsea-luke-shaw-transfer-david-moyes I find the level of detail mind blowing considering it seems to be utter fantasy! ......and he will travel up to Old Trafford in a flying-saucer (gold-plated, of course ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 Based on homage coverage (at the time of posting), press reaction to Reed's statement very enlightening... Guardian - not reporting it but Shaw story removed from football homepage. Telegraph - not reporting it Independent - not reporting it Mail - not reporting it, running £55m Shaw/Lallana story still Mirror - running Reed's statement Express - not reporting it Star - running Reed's statement Can't see Sun or Times as they're behind a pay wall. Disappointing but not surprising. And tells you all you need to know about editorial agendas. Being told players aren't for sale and that there is no fire-sale doesn't make for particularly interesting headlines. England player potentially moving to the country's biggest club for a world record fee for a full-back does make an interesting headline, regardless of how true it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 Well played Les Read, great to learn we have identified targets too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 Didn't see that, it's answered my question as to whether it was official and sanctioned by the club. In his previous guises at other clubs, Les has been known to go off half-cock and do and say things off his own back. I think it would undermine MoPo if he wasn't aware that Reed was spouting off that he (MoPo) was not in control of player acquisition. What? ...officially sanctioned ? He is a director of the club....I would guess it was a Board decision to have him make the statement.... if it wasn't, he'll be out of the door by Monday morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyc Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 Absolutely, Steve, but when the Club has gone so far as to release a detailed denial and clarification in direct response to stories circulated by certain newspapers, it's frustrating when the same newspapers effectively choose to ignore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 Absolutely, Steve, but when the Club has gone so far as to release a detailed denial and clarification in direct response to stories circulated by certain newspapers, it's frustrating when the same newspapers effectively choose to ignore it. Well for whatever reason they must then believe that they're right and Les Reed isn't. Who knows, it's football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 Guardian does, sort of, acknowledge Les Reed's statement in its "Fiver" email: 'And Southampton executive director Les Reed [yes, that Les Reed – Fiver Ed] has denied that the club are preparing to trouser vast sums of cash for Luke Shaw and Adam Lallana. "There is not going to be a fire-sale," trilled the former Charlton boss."' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 25 April, 2014 Share Posted 25 April, 2014 Always nice to say **** off to the journalists and bigger clubs who either make up **** or think they have the god given divine right to get other teams players. Thank god there is an early match tomorrow so this forum can get back to criticising our players, questioning the board and manager. I don't think I have seen Bearsy make so many sensible posts on 1 thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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