Olallana Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 Valid question, but big no is the answer for me.
saint lard Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 Where does adkins fit into all this he is, after all, the next great english manager and new 'fergie' What a load of tripe that turned out to be eh. He's just in the pay off places as it stands......ask some Reading fans and many think he has underachieved with what he has at his disposal.atleast they have not been hoodwinked like many on here. If by some miracle Reading go up....he will be gone again..back to the lower leagues and obscurity. Just like here,he did the bare minimum with an excellent squad. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Charlie Wayman Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 Lock this dopey thread and delete headline. Its written although its happened. +1 The OP is an idiot.
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 (edited) Its indeed evidence of the discord that the Everton fans felt during his tenure. They were sick of his negative football amongst other reasons. But hey, they are all wrong, he's a great manager that brings success everywhere he goes with his superior tactics and man management. Just look at the sheer amount of records he managed to break whilst at Man U and just look how badly Everton have struggled since he left. Opinions hey. I never claimed he was a proponent of free-flowing attractive football. He got results. I also never said he had the support of all fans. This is not evidence he is a bad manager, these are opinions of some fans - not all. Look on here, some dislike MP and his style. Utterly ridiculous, if you ask me, but they still exist. Is it not a sign of a good job that after 11 years, a manager was able to come in and carry on the good work? It shows no major rebuild was needed. If Moyes was so poor, why is Martinez being so highly praised for getting Everton to finish a likely 5th, when Moyes did that twice, got a 4th place finish once and the majority of his other seasons finished 6th-8th. Awful. No one is saying he did a good job at utd, he clearly didn't and he deserved to be sacked. If a bad 10 month spell is more of an indicator of someones abilities that an 11 year spell, then yes he is terrible. Probably not a top or great manager. But to say he is awful is just plain wrong. He did a very good job at Everton. Some fans were fed up as they felt he had plateaued, but considering he had his hands tied by funding, he was never likely to be banging the door down for top 4 on a regular basis anyway. Edited 23 April, 2014 by KelvinsRightGlove spelling
CB Fry Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 Its an opinion. I don't rate him, as many don't. There isn't a single shred of evidence that suggests he's a good manager, only an average one. I'm more than happy for others to over rate him though, just as long as he doesn't end up here. http://www.sos1878.co.uk/everton-fans/an-open-letter-to-david-moyes/ If Moyes is an average manager, that would make Pochettino an effing dreadful one. The knee - jerk Sky sports "ohh he's so terrible" reaction has been a complete joke. Top 6/7 season in, season out is far from average.
Barry Sanchez Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 Rule 1 Saints Web Forum Positive or perceived so posts/threads shall always be given artistic license and air to blossom into a beautiful lie as LONG as it stays positive. The perceived negative posts/threads whether truth or not or even a good discussion point shall be given short shrift and labelled a bed wetter and as "not on the bus"
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 23 April, 2014 Author Posted 23 April, 2014 +1 The OP is an idiot. Good contribution to the thread there, glad you dropped by.
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 23 April, 2014 Author Posted 23 April, 2014 Rule 1 Saints Web Forum Positive or perceived so posts/threads shall always be given artistic license and air to blossom into a beautiful lie as LONG as it stays positive. The perceived negative posts/threads whether truth or not or even a good discussion point shall be given short shrift and labelled a bed wetter and as "not on the bus" I don't see why this is a negative thread?! I am asking a simple, hypothetical question about a situation that I believe could arise over the Summer. For some reason a number of people have decided that the only response to this is to throw insults. For shame.
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 23 April, 2014 Author Posted 23 April, 2014 How can something be 'possibly quite likely'? Blatant trolling by the OP IMHO. Moyes can only come here if he brings De Gea, Baines and Wellbeck with him; other than that it's a 'no' from me. Trolling? Seriously? Because in my opinion it is something that could happen over the Summer?
Turkish Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 Everton finishes in the last 20 years. Moyes joined in 2002, done on a relative shoestring. "not a shred of evidence hes a good manager" 1992-93 13th 1993-94 17th 1994-95 15th 1995-96 6th 1996-97 15th 1997-98 17th 1998-99 14th 1999-2k 13th 2000-01 16th 2001-02 15th 2002-03 7th 2003-04 17th 2004-05 4th 2005-06 11th 2006-07 6th 2007-08 5th 2008-09 5th 2009-10 8th 2010-11 7th 2011-12 7th 2012-13 6th
Solid Saint Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 Everton finishes in the last 20 years. Moyes joined in 2002, done on a relative shoestring. "not a shred of evidence hes a good manager" 1992-93 13th 1993-94 17th 1994-95 15th 1995-96 6th 1996-97 15th 1997-98 17th 1998-99 14th 1999-2k 13th 2000-01 16th 2001-02 15th 2002-03 7th 2003-04 17th 2004-05 4th 2005-06 11th 2006-07 6th 2007-08 5th 2008-09 5th 2009-10 8th 2010-11 7th 2011-12 7th 2012-13 6th http://talksport.com/magazine/features/130204/revealed-biggest-spenders-premier-league-history-190785?p=1 Absolute fantasy.
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 Everton finishes in the last 20 years. Moyes joined in 2002, done on a relative shoestring. "not a shred of evidence hes a good manager" 1992-93 13th 1993-94 17th 1994-95 15th 1995-96 6th 1996-97 15th 1997-98 17th 1998-99 14th 1999-2k 13th 2000-01 16th 2001-02 15th 2002-03 7th 2003-04 17th 2004-05 4th 2005-06 11th 2006-07 6th 2007-08 5th 2008-09 5th 2009-10 8th 2010-11 7th 2011-12 7th 2012-13 6th Nope, Martinez is a superb manager. Taking a team regularly finishing 5th-8th and making them finish, 5th. For the record I do actually think Martinez is doing a good job, and is indeed a good manager.
Turkish Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 http://talksport.com/magazine/features/130204/revealed-biggest-spenders-premier-league-history-190785?p=1 Absolute fantasy. key point in the first line pal "Everton's spot in the top 10 comes as the result of longevity more than anything" Keep trying though.
Solid Saint Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 key point in the first line pal "Everton's spot in the top 10 comes as the result of longevity more than anything" Keep trying though. Yup, nothing to do with Moyse then. Cheers.
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 key point in the first line pal "Everton's spot in the top 10 comes as the result of longevity more than anything" Keep trying though. Also, no mention of what they have received. I'd imagine in most transfer windows Moyes net spend was negative. He had to sell, to buy. Often, the players sold were at a huge profit too.
DuncanRG Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 Moyes is very good but he would be an awful fit for Southampton. It isn't even worth thinking about, not least because his next job probably won't be in England.
Turkish Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 (edited) Yup, nothing to do with Moyse then. Cheers. No, their top 8 finishes for 9 of the last 11 years were nothing to do with moyes. BTW here's his list of transfers, in his 11 years a net spend of about £12m, whilst finishing top 8 in 9 of them "Not a shred of evidence he's a good manager" http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/everton-transfers.html Edited 23 April, 2014 by Turkish
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 Yup, nothing to do with Moyse then. Cheers.
Batman Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 1 bad season and he is damaged goods yet adkins was hailed the great fergie for his bad season in the prem and should have stayed for 5 years??? odd
Window Cleaner Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 How about this for a solution, we do whatever is necessary to keep Mauricio (as Ralph says he will) and let the other all take care of their own problems.
Andy Durman Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 I think David Moyes will want a rest after this disappointment.
St Marco Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 Can't see Mopo going to Man Utd. Finishing 8th isn't exactly a massive achievement, at least not criteria for taking over one of the biggest clubs in the world. And personally I would not want to see Moyes here as our manager. I don't think his style fits with ours. He had some good seasons with Everton but I don't think it is coincidence that the first season he is gone they are having their best PL season.
CB Fry Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 http://talksport.com/magazine/features/130204/revealed-biggest-spenders-premier-league-history-190785?p=1 Absolute fantasy. So David Moyes is responsible for ten seasons of Everton spending before he even joined? You're playing a blinder with your "shreds of evidence" you really are.
Window Cleaner Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 (edited) Can't see Mopo going to Man Utd. Finishing 8th isn't exactly a massive achievement, at least not criteria for taking over one of the biggest clubs in the world. And personally I would not want to see Moyes here as our manager. I don't think his style fits with ours. He had some good seasons with Everton but I don't think it is coincidence that the first season he is gone they are having their best PL season. Martinez seems to have got an extra gear out of Coleman and it's probably been years since they had a striker like Lukaku. Seem to remember scoring goals was always one of their biggest problems, could be wrong. Edited 23 April, 2014 by Window Cleaner
positivepete Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 well we would have a lot of games where we were bored to death, the players would not enjoy it either I agree, I was on the point of giving up my ticket under Strachan. I pray that we do not go back to that attritional style
Solid Saint Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 So David Moyes is responsible for ten seasons of Everton spending before he even joined? You're playing a blinder with your "shreds of evidence" you really are. More irrelevance from yourself. It proves that far from being a shoestring club Everton have invested quite heavily during the Premiership years. Just because someone told you Moyse was good, doesn't make it true. 'Oh but he kept Everton in the top 10!' Great, a team that is the 9th heaviest spender in Premiership History. Average.
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 Can't see Mopo going to Man Utd. Finishing 8th isn't exactly a massive achievement, at least not criteria for taking over one of the biggest clubs in the world. And personally I would not want to see Moyes here as our manager. I don't think his style fits with ours. He had some good seasons with Everton but I don't think it is coincidence that the first season he is gone they are having their best PL season. How is this their best season? They finished 5th (their current position) twice under Moyes, and 4th as well. They are in the ball park where Moyes kept them for most of his tenure. Granted, they are doing it playing better football.
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 More irrelevance from yourself. It proves that far from being a shoestring club Everton have invested quite heavily during the Premiership years. Just because someone told you Moyse was good, doesn't make it true. 'Oh but he kept Everton in the top 10!' Great, a team that is the 9th heaviest spender in Premiership History. Average. My word kid, keep digging eh?
Barry Sanchez Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 Can't see Mopo going to Man Utd. Finishing 8th isn't exactly a massive achievement, at least not criteria for taking over one of the biggest clubs in the world. And personally I would not want to see Moyes here as our manager. I don't think his style fits with ours. He had some good seasons with Everton but I don't think it is coincidence that the first season he is gone they are having their best PL season. I cant see Pochettino going there either, he is not good enough yet and fails to meet their expected criteria of winning domestically, in Europe and has been successful in the very best of the players in the World transfers, in fact Pochettino is so far off going there Neil Armstong was closer to the appointment when he was on the moon.
Turkish Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 More irrelevance from yourself. It proves that far from being a shoestring club Everton have invested quite heavily during the Premiership years. Just because someone told you Moyse was good, doesn't make it true. 'Oh but he kept Everton in the top 10!' Great, a team that is the 9th heaviest spender in Premiership History. Average. Newcastle spent £170m more, are lower now than Moyes finished in the last 8 years and have been relegated in the same period. SUnderland are bottom and have also been relegated during Moyes tenure at Everton and have spent about the same at them. "Not a shred of evidence to prove he's a good manager"
Solid Saint Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 "Not a shred of evidence to prove he's a good manager" Still not found any then.
Turkish Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 Still not found any then. Other than turning a team with no top half finishes for 10 years into one that has top 8 finishes for 9 out of 11 years with a net spend of £12m, spending £170m less than Newcastle and the same as Sunderland and not being relegated, qualifying for the champions leauge, cup finals, buying players like Joleen Lescott and Micheal Arteta and selling them for four time what he paid for them, no.
hutch Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 I think David Moyes will want a rest after this disappointment. Nonsense. He'll be looking for a new job just as soon as he's finished counting his compensation pay-off, sometime in 2017.
Solid Saint Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 Other than turning a team with no top half finishes for 10 years into one that has top 8 finishes for 9 out of 11 years with a net spend of £12m, spending £170m less than Newcastle and the same as Sunderland and not being relegated, qualifying for the champions leauge, cup finals, buying players like Joleen Lescott and Micheal Arteta and selling them for four time what he paid for them, no. You think this will convince me Moyse is actually any good?
norwaysaint Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 1 bad season and he is damaged goods yet adkins was hailed the great fergie for his bad season in the prem and should have stayed for 5 years??? odd How many posters was that by then Jamie? Was it one or two posters that you're obsessing over with this quote? I'm going to guess at one. if we look at your history though, I seem to remember you calling Adkins a legend and saying that MP would definitely take us down in his first season... http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?31921-How-much-do-you-rate-like-nige http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?37624-Adkins-Southampton-legend http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?42470-Ponchito-wont-last-the-year
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 23 April, 2014 Author Posted 23 April, 2014 Still not found any then. I'm sorry, I don't enjoy agreeing with some people on this forum, but you are being handed your arse at the moment. I would suggest giving up.
Solid Saint Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 I'm sorry, I don't enjoy agreeing with some people on this forum, but you are being handed your arse at the moment. I would suggest giving up. No, I wont be changing my mind on David Moyse. I look forward to his next job with massive interest. Lets hope he lives up to the billing THIS time, hey.
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 23 April, 2014 Author Posted 23 April, 2014 No, I wont be changing my mind on David Moyse. I look forward to his next job with massive interest. Lets hope he lives up to the billing THIS time, hey. I'm not saying change your mind. However I would keep your thoughts in your head, instead of typing it on here as you're coming across as stooopid...
Solid Saint Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 I'm not saying change your mind. However I would keep your thoughts in your head, instead of typing it on here as you're coming across as stooopid... I don't think there is any problem with posting ones opinions on here. As I say, it is a well shared opinion, even on this thread. I would hate to have him here, end of.
pap Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 How many posters was that by then Jamie? Was it one or two posters that you're obsessing over with this quote? I'm going to guess at one. if we look at your history though, I seem to remember you calling Adkins a legend and saying that MP would definitely take us down in his first season... http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?31921-How-much-do-you-rate-like-nige http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?37624-Adkins-Southampton-legend http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?42470-Ponchito-wont-last-the-year I love people with memories However, you are wrong. TheDellDays said those things, not Batman
scotty Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 Nonsense. He'll be looking for a new job just as soon as he's finished counting his compensation pay-off, sometime in 2017.
St Jim Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 Massimiliano Allegri 7/2 3 3 7/2 Louis Van Gaal 4 3 3 10/3 Moyes 11/2 4 5 5 Mauricio Pochettino http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/tottenham/next-permanent-manager Mopo = Fourth favourite Ha ha there's more chance of Moyes becoming the next Spuds manager than MoPo. Please let that happen.
CB Fry Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 You think this will convince me Moyse is actually any good? Obviously it won't but I think we all know that. You're playing a blinder, though. Really you are.
Solid Saint Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 Obviously it won't but I think we all know that. You're playing a blinder, though. Really you are. You massive helmet.
Turkish Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 You think this will convince me Moyse is actually any good? Not trying to convince you of anything, you're doing a good job of convincing everyone you're a plum though.
Solid Saint Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 Not trying to convince you of anything, you're doing a good job of convincing everyone you're a plum though. Oh come on Turkish, really? You cant push that onto me, you can keep it. Many thanks.
CB Fry Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 Oh come on Turkish, really? You cant push that onto me, you can keep it. Many thanks. There is a lot more than a shred of evidence on this thread to support the fact that you are, indeed, a plum.
Solid Saint Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 There is a lot more than a shred of evidence on this thread to support the fact that you are, indeed, a plum. You don't already know you are one of the biggest plums on this site? What a tool.
Batman Posted 23 April, 2014 Posted 23 April, 2014 Why is it in England, a player/manager is deemed an utter failure after just 1 season (and not even that) of struggling
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